Surviving Stereotypes: Yul Kwon Returns To Yale Law School
“Survivor” champ and YLS grad Yul Kwon made a triumphant return to his law school alma mater last week. In a speech entitled “How I Survived Survivor and Other Professional Challenges,” Kwon, who was introduced by YLS Dean Harold Koh, spoke about breaking down negative stereotypes about Asian Americans.
At this point in his speech, Kwon suddenly went off-script and tried to bestow his wisdom on the crowd of predominantly law students.“Make the best of it,’ he said. “Think outside the box.”
Profound. We can only hope that when he worked for McKinsey, his paying clients got a little more than that kind of “wisdom.”
Speaking of stereotypes, someone did research on how much money men of various races need to make if they’re trying to attract a woman of a different race:
For equal success with a white woman [relative to a white man], an African-American needs to earn an additional $154,000; a Hispanic man needs $77,000; an Asian needs $247,000.For equal success with an Asian woman [relative to an Asian man], an African-American needs no additional income; a white man needs $24,000 less than average; a Hispanic man needs $28,000 more than average.
So Yul can take that $1 million he won on “Survivor” and buy four white women.
Just kidding! This serves as a good reminder that studies are all about averages. On one side of the Asian-American male spectrum you have Yul, who was in People’s “Sexiest Man Alive” issue, and on the other hand you have… well, let’s just say that at least one Asian-American associated with YLS is known more for his “impressive body of work” than his impressive body.
(Thanks to the VC for the survey link.)
Earlier: “Congratulations to Yul Kwon — Who Says You Don’t Learn Anything at Yale Law School?”




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Yul used to work at Harris, Wiltshire & Grannis. I don't work there, but the firm is populated with legal studs and studettes... all of whom work considerably less hours than the rest of us, but for about the same pay.
Wow, things have gotten a lot more offensive here since David went on vacation. Good thing you threw in the "just kidding."
LOL. Seriously. 5:48pm = dead on.
Harris, Wiltshire & Grannis = homeless.
The fatter the white woman, the less the other races need to make.
5:53
This is correct. This is why you often see blacks with the fat white women.
Why do you assume Asian men want white women?
jnob you dumbass, the hottest asian women always stick with asian men. The ones who like white men are the ones who were dissed by asian men because they are ugly but you guys think they are "exotic"
No one is assuming that Asian men want white women. It is a joke that makes fun of the study, which purports to quantify the desirability of Asian men.
questions to laurie, are you asian and... are you a woman? how can a "study" get more racist or sexist than this?
Anybody who exhorts others to "think outside the box" is at least in part a complete idiot, YLS degree or not.
6:01
Wrong. An Asian-American woman will take a white man over a asian man (assuming they make similar $$$) any day of the week. A rich white man is more of a catch than a rich asian.
Do people still name their sons Laurie? Or Tracy, Cary, Ashley, Leslie, etc. In fact, the reason I know Laurie was ever a guy's name is b/c of Little Woman.
And where is WGWAG when we need him/her?
what the hell is WGWAG?
jonb.....in your dreams son. Get out of hicksville and travel to places like LA, NY, Japan, Korea and see if that's true. I might believe you if you are strictly talking about 2nd or 3rd generation asians in America as they tend to be white washed and think they are white.
6:20
Yes, I was referring to Asian-American women. There are no white males in Japan and Korea, dummy.
I agree with 6.20. Plus, and this pretty much goes for any kind of relationship based on any kind of grossness (and of course qualifying any factor as gross is subjective), but let's say jonb is right (and of course he is at least in certain cases), then said rich asian man should be grateful he didn't end up with the Asian-American woman in question. Same goes for the comments about larger white woman--you seem to be saying that they should make do with whomever they can get...there is always a trade off and it comes down to how much a person respects him or herself to play into the stereotype.
WGWAG has posted the comment "White Girls with Asian Guys" arbitrarily and frequently in the past.
yul looks pretty gay to me.
jonb...you are not talking about Asian-American women. You are talking about Asian American women who were born and raised in predominately white areas (which is a small proportion of the total population of Asian American women). An immigrant who came to America when they were 20 could be a naturalized citizen and be "asian american" but would tend to favor an Asian man. The reason I mentioned Asian women in Asia and the "FOB" Asian women in places like LA and NY who favor Asian men over white men was to point out the fact that you are talking about 0.01% of the Asian women population who actually prefer white men and generalizing that to state that all Asian women prefer white men which is BS. Understand?
So now we are seeing the XOization of Above the Law. First their racism seeped onto law professor blogs like Volokh and now it is coming here with the encouragement of Lat’s substitute blogger. Someday historians may say Anthony Ciolli single-handedly destroyed the legal profession by founding Auto Admit.
@ 5:53 "This is why you often see blacks with the fat white women"
Reply:
So cosmo says you’re fat
Well I ain’t down with that
Cuz your waste is small and your curves are kickin
And I’m thinkin bout stickin
Point:
Fat, like beauty, is relative. Paychecks, however, are not.
Your "waste is small"?
Point:
That's a gross thing to be into, but whatever floats your boat.
6:46,
Paychecks are more relative than fat and just as relative as beauty. $145k-$160k may seem like a windfall to those slaving on minimum wage, but to paraphrase Chris Rock, if some high finance sort wakes up to a salary of only six-figures, he'd jump out the window. (I said "he," not to imply that women aren't capable of those jobs and money, but to make the "jump out the window" part believable. A woman would just take pills.)
Fat is fat to most people, it's just that some people actually like fat.
Are you guys retarded?
Publishing this study is not itself racist; it EXPOSES racism.
You can't seriously ALL be so obtuse you don't get that.
Now, the joke afterwards -- depends on context. If it's bitter and sarcastic, I can see how it's kinda funny.
6:43
Who the hell cares about FOB's anyway? FOBs are generally undesirable to white men because of the enormous cultural gap. So yes, they will tend to 'stick with their own kind.' But when that FOB has a daughter, she'll be seeking out a white man.
When I (and most of us) talk about Asian women, we're talking about Asian-American women who were born in the US, not some TTT FOB who can't pronounce L's and R's.
If an Asian American woman, born in the US, was given a choice between a Caucasian American male and an Asian-American male, she'd go for the white guy.
WHITE
GIRLS
WITH
ASIAN
GUYS
If you read the entire study, rather then just the salacious quote, you'll actually come away with the impression that Asians who online date (as opposed to many of the highly ethno-conscious, sexually protectionist inhabitants in law school) are the least racially biased of all online daters. That goes for female and male Asians. I think this speaks incredibly well of the group.
Also, although this comment is more anecdotal then scientific, people who say "girls of X ethnicity who date males of Y ethnicity are generally Z% less desireable then girls who stay ethno focused" tend to be exceedingly insecure and terribly unattractive (correlates with physical and personality unattractiveness). I have NEVER witnessed a secure, attractive male make this statement. Only the fuglies.
white male propaganda
jonb, Asian American women who prefer white men do so because they are undesirable to asian men so that is their fall back. Look at Nicholas Cage's wife. No self respecting asian man, let alone a multi millionaire asian man would touch that. Yet you think those kind of girls are hot and prefer you because you are white. They prefer white men because that's all they can get.
"Look at Nicholas Cage's wife. No self respecting asian man, let alone a multi millionaire asian man would touch that. Yet you think those kind of girls are hot and prefer you because you are white. They prefer white men because that's all they can get."
Cage's wife isn't pretty? Are you blind as well as misogynistic and race-obsessed?
http://english.chosun.com/media/photo/news/200407/200407280029_00.jpg
no i'm not blind and misogynistic and race-obsessed. You just proved my point that's all. I'm guessing your Korean or did you happen to find the picture in chosun?
Not Korean, just googled it.
Seriously, you don't think that girl is good-looking?
asian guys = uber-pwned
Enjoy the leftovers bitches
Are you my GI?
He is soooo hot. 2d only to David.
She is so far away from good-looking. Neither is Lucy Liu.
best comment thread in weeks. lovin it.
9:09 I think you meant Sandra Oh.
Lucy Liu and Nic Cage's wife are both HOT.
How much additional does a Tier-2 grad need to make to have success with a white woman?
Tier-2 grads get white women as a default. White women are Tier-2.
Thanks for playing though.
Asian chicks are hot. Including Cage's wife.
10:36
Lucy Liu is the epitome of the Asian chick that 90% of white guys think is hot, and 90% of Asian guys think is fugly.
12:12, regardless of whether 90% of Asian guys think Lucy Liu is fugly, 100% of Asian guys have no fucking chance with her.
All of a sudden the racists come out of the woodwork on this board? WTF is going on here?
this thread ROCKS. the gift that keeps giving.
12:12am - TITCR
12:54am - you're missing the point. That's like saying 100% of Asian guys have no chance to fuck a goat. We don't want to. Lucy Liu < goat. HTFH
I can guarantee that you've never had an Asian woman yellow fever. Your pathetic self-image comes out in your idiotic, racist posts.
1:49 -- I strongly suspect that you are a homosexual. If not, why don't you tell us which Asian female you and/or Asian guys in general would find attractive? Or could it be that all females are < goat to you because you have bestial urges?
1:59 -- I assume you meant to direct your post at 1:49 rather than at yellow fever? Otherwise you don't make sense.
Truism: The more beautiful the Asian woman, the dorkier the White guy she's with.
I will not even begin to address how racist this "study" is but I will address a few glaring problems with it. First, the fundamental flaw with this so-called study is that it measures preferences in on-line dating. The likely reason the race preferences are skewed is because people who have to look for a date via the internet are a little more desperate and therefore less selective than the average person, especially with African Americans (everybody I know gets dates from #1 the club, #2 work (always a bad idea), #3 school, #4 church, and #5 hook up by a mutual acquaintance). On the other hand, the reason why the study finds that minority men, African American males in particular, require extra income to get a Caucasian female (as if we all want one) is probably because those women are gold diggers looking for an athlete or an entertainer. If you don't believe me, ask half of the NBA. Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, look out!
"When I (and most of us) talk about Asian women, we're talking about Asian-American women who were born in the US, not some TTT FOB who can't pronounce L's and R's."
Yikes. If this comment doesn't get deleted, I'm never coming back here. Disgusting.
9:33, is this a joke??? You've been repeating all over your comments about babies being parasites, etc., and now you go crazy about some mildly offensive racial comment? Typical hypocrisy of the hard-left.
If Lat deletes the funny comments on this thread and keeps the disgusting comments on the other day's abortion thread, I'm never coming back here.
12:54 - Even if it is 100% chance that Lucy Liu climbs to the white men's bed, you still get fucking chance zero. See, what's the difference? BTW, Thanks God, the white men, like you, rescue those ugly American-born Asian women.
I didn't actually read the survey, but I did read the Volokh thread. But here was an interesting comment to that thread that argues that the inference that women demand that a man of other ethnicity make $X in order to be as desirable as a man of her ethnicity is overblown:
I just read the study and the issue being cited here is accurate, but highly misleading. It's not as if black women require an extra $220,000. Indeed, income in the study is top-coded at $200,000. What is happening is that black women have a very low disposition of dating white men (logit coeff. of -1.4, for those who understand this stuff) and an very low coefficient on income. That is, all things equal, they'd rather date non-white men, and furthermore, to the extent they're willing to date white men, money isn't very important, so it takes a lot of it to make up the difference. By the way, this income coefficient for women (0.0171 per $1000) is measured across all women, so that it's difficult even to draw the inference that the fixed cultural effect (whatever it in fact measures) is equally balanced across income levels by racial match.
Finally: I want to second (or third) the request that outright bigoted or sexist comments be deleted.
I also demand that these comments be censored!
Also, I would like to point out that only whites can be bigoted and only males can be sexist.
"You've been repeating all over your comments about babies being parasites, etc."
First, I never said that "babies are parasites" in the abortion thread.
Second, the abortion thread was a legitimate discussion of the law and its underpinnings (ie, the moral, legal, and medical status of the fetus). It may have caused offense (on both sides of the debate), but any such offense was appropriate in the context -- if not inherent to the topic itself. If you can't tell the difference between that kind of discussion, and the needlessly offensive racism and sexism in this thread, then I don't know what to tell you.
Finally, Lat and his associates pride themselves on attracting distinguished fans like Judge Kozinski et al who enjoy his "irreverant" views. But this place is quickly deteriorating into a sewer that no respectable lawyer or judge is going to want to say in public that he reads.
If Lat (and his corporate sponsors) are ok with the direction the site is taking, fine. But the rest of us find it kind of disturbing.
word*star
I am vewwy vewwy sowwy fow insuwting your dewicate sensibiwities
Jonb - go back to 1L torts class, or your LSAT princeton review class, or high school, or wherever you're coming from. Let the adults talk.
jonb, as a beautiful AA woman i get hit on by nasty white creeps like you all the time, and i would NEVER pick you over a gorgeous AA man-- do you know why? 'cause all you smug, entitled, yellow-fever, asian-fetish dorks simply make my flesh crawl. plus you smell quite bad, like spoiled milk.
this isn't to say all white men are the devil's spawn, just the ones like jonb, who think women like me will lub dem long time and pay them the two dollah for the chance to do it. go buy yourself a RealDoll to spoon, you sickening, pathetic loser.
4:21 = asian male troll (?)
But if you're a chick your aggresive language suggests: dragon lady. HOT.
"Two-dollar love me long time" is for mouth-breathing hillbilly cannon fodder. How 'bout a $200 hate fuck? Then you can buy a Coach bag on sale. That's all you deserve for being a bitch.
This thread is an AutoAdmit trainwreck. Sad.
4:21
no worries, baby. I'll be busy fucking all your friends.
White boys = small dicks
Crackers = sexists pricks
Red Necks = f*ck anything that moves
I think Asian guys are hott, and, I am a very pretty young white girl who can get MANY MANY MANY white guys. So I am not just a left over. I'm just attracted physically to Asians, but, only those who look sorta like Yul Kwon or Takeshi Kaneshiro. I am also not at all fat. I am 5'4" and only weigh 118 lbs. I would post pics just to prove that I am what I say I am, but, this board doesn't allow it. I'll admit that I am only a very small percentage though, and, I see mouths drop when I tell a white guy hitting on me that I only date asians.