Richard M Daley, Mayor of Chicago, failed at least once (too lazy to look to see if it was more than once).

Emily is an associate at W&C NY.

Lat: bad edit. Your Pataki commentary cuts off mid-parenthetical.

Chicago Mayor Richard M Daley failed twice.

Ed Koch failed too and he went on to be mayor and more importantly the judge on the People's Court.

ok, Emily Pataki and JFK Jr. had famous dads. As did Daley

Must you post this kind of stuff the week before a lot of your readers take the bar. I come to ATL to get away from studying, not to slit my wrists.

As long as we're talking about mayors, the Honorable Antonio Villaraigosa (Mayor of Los Angeles) failed the bar exam not once, not twice, but FOUR times. He never passed.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has failed the California Bar 4 times, and has yet to pass.

A word for all you taking the bar. Everyone who takes it thinks, at some point, that they are going to fail. Everyone. There's just too much information to cram in. New York and California are the worst. So if you think you are going to fail, don't go on all-night Red-Bull-and-Fruit-Pebbles bender trying to catch up. You'll get there, as long as you don't lose it.

11:20 is right - your cocky friends are liars. Don't get psyched out. It's the worst thing you can do to yourself. You're never going to master everything - nobody does. It's the nature of the exam and it's okay. I never grasped secured transactions but, in the end, I just memorized the elements. We had a secured transactions essay question and I passed. Best of luck. You'll be fine!

Also, can everybody lay off of Emily Pataki? This girl never had the high profile JFK Jr. did. Granted, she never had a "The Hunk Flunks" headline, either, but I wouldn't wish public failure on my worst enemy.

I think Charlie Crist, governor of Florida, failed a few times

Um, why take the DC bar at all?

Villaraigosa was apparently spending too much time cheating on his wife with that hottie news reporter in SoCal.

11:23(1) = George Pataki

don't forget the AG of Delaware.

I guess Hillary was much more proficient in trading commodities futures than taking the bar.

Harold Ford took the bar exam once, failed, and never went back.

secured transactions has ELEMENTS!?!?

In "Rainmaker", Danny DeVito's character had failed the Louisiana bar six times. Which dovetails nicely with real-life Louisiana politician Cleo Fields (former Gubenatorial candidate, leading candidate to take over for Congressman Bill Jefferson if he is convicted), who also failed six times, and the mayor of Baton Rouge, Kip Holden, who failed twice.

I guess Hillary was much more proficient in trading commodities futures than taking the bar.

11:24, the DC bar takes 6-8 months to get done once you're sworn in somewhere else. Some people have jobs after law school that require them to become a member of the DC bar ASAP. For those people, it makes sense.

Pat Robertson, another Yalie, failed the NY bar and never took it again.
http://www.patrobertson.com/SpiritualJourney/SomethingMissing.asp

11:31(1)...Just to clarify, it is Jr.

For anyone who thinks listing the famous and intelligent people who have failed the helps us poor pathetic bar prep folks, think again. This just adds to the neurosis as it is clear that even smart, hard-working, successful law students can fail the bar. That pretty much makes me want to kill myself.

Thanks, Lat.

Since Ms. Pataki only passed in February, she has likely not been sworn in to the NY bar yet, and thus cannot be put on the firm's website.

11:24 - In the 1970s, DC did not have the blanket waive-in rules they have now.

NY to 190 would surely ease the pain of studying for next week!

What about Izabella St. James?

Judge Greg Mathis! Abraham Lincoln! The list is endless!

You COULD end up like this guy: http://sptimes.com/2006/01/22/Floridian/In_his_own_defense.shtml

11:35: Can't you be on the website, as long as your bio has a "not yet admitted" or "admission pending" note on it?

(Hello, Maury Saiger!)

I like this quote from the linked WSJ article (about the noted constitutional scholar and the dean of Stanford LS who failed the CA bar exam):

“Ms. Sullivan, 50 years old, did not return phone and email messages seeking comment. Her firm said she wasn't reachable over the weekend because she was at a remote location.” Yea, like the edge of a cliff….

11:23 - clearly your enemies are not bad enough if you won't even wish public failure and shaming upon them.

I don't know Emily Pataki, and I certainly don't wish her ill. So she failed once, big deal.

Seeing her picture though, let me say she is absolutely adorable.

Is she still at White & Case? She's not on their website.

By the way, this is the letter she sent out to the ENTIRE firm after she failed: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/11/14/emily-patakis-email/

Adorable...? She's friggin' hot!

Looks like Lat passed the NY bar:

http://www.nylawyer.com/display.php/file=/exam/names/7993ip

(Darn. It would have been made for good schadenfreude if he hadn't.)

Did you guys catch the last paragraph of the article? The compton lawyer who failed the CA bar 47 times before finally passing.

You should run a piece on him Lat. He sounds like a real winner.

Antonio Villaraigosa failing 4 times isn't unusual -- he went to PCL.

Compared to this guy, Bandy is a genius!

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Ms. Sullivan is unlikely to need as many attempts as Maxcy Dean Filer, who may hold the California bar endurance record, having passed in 1991 after 47 unsuccessful tries. The Compton, Calif., man, who says he'll practice any kind of law that "comes through the door -- except probate and bankruptcy," says he always tried to psych himself up before taking the test by repeating, "I didn't fail the bar, the bar failed me."

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Luckily I passed and am now working. But while studying I was told that "no incoming associate at this firm has ever failed the bar." Talk about putting the pressure on. But seriously, I work at a large firm where there are easily over 50 people taking the bar each summer, I find it hard to believe that no one ever fails. But my question is, what do the large firms do with people that fail? Most firms let you start work before results, do they get a second chance? Do they have to work while studying again? Anyone have info???

Usually law firms give you time off to study and take it again in February. If you fail a 2nd time, usually that's it.

I'm taking the bar this summer. My firm's policy is to keep you on through the February bar. If you fail twice, you're fired.

Certain commenters are missing the point re Emily Pataki. While I do believe that it's unfair for her failure to receive such a high degree of attention simply because her father is a prominent political figure – her ridiculously dumb decision to send a firm-wide email expressing her regrets and offering her apologies makes her fair game.

On a somewhat related note, I agree that she’s extraordinarily cute.

Plenty of people fail on a fluke--a bad day, a bad question, a bad lunch... It's time to start worrying when you don't pass the second time.

Lat--it might be time to make those taking the CA and NY bar feel better and post the July 2006 Guam results:

http://www.guamsupremecourt.com/BrdLawExam/images/July2006Results.PDF

c'mon folks -- she's not "adorable" or "extremely cute." She's hot, plain and simple.

c'mon folks -- she's not "adorable" or "extraordinarily cute." She's hot, plain and simple.

Those studying for the bar - try not to think about the line you are on. On one side is a quagmire of debt which you will never be able to pay off (hey look, there's Bandy and she even passed!!!!11) and the historical respect of your peers. On the other side is a nice 160k income (possibly more if you're an EE) and the schadenfreude (at least those of you in NY) of knowing at least a few assholes who failed. In other words, don't look down.

And if you fail the bar, at least you don't have cancer (hopefully)!

no, she is cute. don't inflate her ego.

Assistant Prosecutor William P. Fisher, III, of Mercer County, New Jersey, failed the New Jersey Bar exam in February 2003.

Justice Cardoza - 6 times I think!

I wonder if that UGA student arrested in LA has access to his Barbri materials in the slammer?

Too bad solicitation of minors is not an MEE subject. He'd be golden.

Yeah, but none of those people had 6 figure student loans...

Sweet, chubby little baby Jesus...let me pass...amen dot com

11:18: Accord. Mr. Lat - please some more strip-teasing law students - or professors.

extraordinarily cute?!?!?

too much time around the office i suppose

Emily Pataki is Hot! Anyone know how tall she is?

EP's looks have been discussed THOROUGHLY in previous comments sections, such as http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/05/congratulations_to_emily_patak_1.php#comments

11:34 gets it. But God help you if you fail twice in biglaw.

"Oh, I see you were at Biglaw #1 for almost a year, why did you leave?"
"I failed the bar"
"Twice?"
"Twice."
"Oh. Thanks."

this guy never passed the bar and he won a really important case--and got his girlfriend an Oscar:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0104952/

Vinny Gambini: Well, I got a bullshit traffic ticket. I went to court, I got the cop on the stand, and I argued with him until he admitted he was wrong. And the judge, this Judge Malloy. All the while he's laughing and smiling. And then afterwards, he asks me to go to lunch with him. Then he says to me, "you know what? You'd be a good litigator." I didn't know what the hell he was talking about, I don't know what a litigator is. I never thought of becoming a lawyer. But this Judge Malloy, who's from Brooklyn, too? He did it, so all of a sudden, it seemed possible. So I went to law school.

Take heart, L2L!

anon (12:06): I find it humorous that you believe you can get away with the acronym PCL for People's College of Law and actually expect anyone on this site to know what the hell you are talking about.

Assistant Prosecutor William P. Fisher, III, of Mercer County, New Jersey, failed the New Jersey Bar exam in February 2003.

Was that his second failure? He would have initially taken it in July, correct?

Peoples College of Law? Wow. That's not even a fourth-tier school - more like Tier Z. I just love those unaccredited California J.D. mills.

http://peoplescollegeoflaw.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=4

Peoples College of Law was founded in 1974 as a non-profit, community-run law school to bring legal resources to under-represented communities and train legal advocates to secure progressive social change and justice in society.

We only admit those students who, regardless of their quite varied political, spiritual, cultural or social backgrounds, have demonstrated a commitment to progressive social change, have an awareness of working class issues and will employ the skills gained at the school to further these goals in their own way. Thus, if you want to be a prosecutor or a corporate attorney, don't waste our time applying; there are plenty of other schools out there for you!

Gerry Spence, "America's Finest Trial Lawyer" also failed the bar first time...in Wyoming I believe!

What I find interesting about fails like Pataki anf JFK Jr. is that they get into these oprestigious schools/firms...obviously with help from their family name.

But when they are an anonymous candidate with a #, they can't cut make the cut.

Gerry Spence, "America's Finest Trial Lawyer" also failed the bar first time...in Wyoming I believe!

What I find interesting about fails like Pataki anf JFK Jr. is that they get into these oprestigious schools/firms...obviously with help from their family name.

But when they are an anonymous candidate with a #, they can't make the cut.

11:31 -- Are you sure DeVito's character failed the Louisana bar? I thought the movie "Rainmaker" took place in Memphis Tennessee.

people fail the bar exam for two reasons: 1) lack of preparation; 2) freaking out.

if you've been reasonably diligent in preparing (i.e., paying reasonable attention in Bar/Bri and spending 3-4 hours/day, Mon-Fri), you've probably prepared enough. now just don't waste that prep by freaking out that you're not prepared enough.

after the first day, go out and have a freakin' beer or two (not twelve).

go to bed early. DO NOT sit in your room and study all night.

bottom line, if some of the folks i know passed...then you can pass as well.

(unless you're in Mass. and hate same-sex marriage. then you're screwed, apparently.)

To everyone who is taking the bar in a couple of weeks, you are all going to do great! Don't freak and think about getting points not about losing points.

Good Luck!

I failed the bar while working for a Biglaw firm. I was also told no one failed the bar but discovered a secret (actually not so secret) club of associates who had failed. Misery loves company. October through February really sucked. Good luck to y'all this month.

Emily Pataki is NOT HOT. She is cute, at most, on her best day. Those of you who think she's hot are probably married to fatties. LOL.

Dear 12:39,

You will pass. I just know it.

Love,
Superman

just apply the facts to the law - any law, make up law if necessary. use key words and remember to breathe - it's really not that difficult

White & Case doesn't list first-year associates on its website. Ms. Pataki may still be there.

A better alternative is to apply the law to the facts. Agree with making up law. I totally did that.

I once worked with a partner who was (and still is) a national icon in his specialty area. He later moved to CA and, despite having studied seriously for almost a year, failed the CA bar on his first try.

The bar tests your test-taking skillz as much as anything. If you're having a bad day, things may not always go so well.

3:01 and 3:07 must be "constitutional law" types ;)

2:07 has it right. Just don't freak out. It's a pass/fail exam, for chrissakes. You biglaw hires have aced most every standardized test you've ever taken, Harvard professors are not grading the essays, and you're not trying to get an "A". Passing shouldn't be that hard.

Over 25 years, I've known about that number of smart people who have failed the bar. (I know plenty of knuckleheads who failed, and plenty who passed on the first try, too.) I think every smart person who failed was overthinking the exam and was trying to prove he was brilliant. The bar exam is not a time for creativity, and trying to get the top grade is a waste of time. Just relax and aim for the middle of the pack or slightly better and you'll do fine.

70 something comments and not one person has mentioned how Kathleen Sullivan looks like The Joker? Or did that get covered in an old post?

12:10: Somebody is lying to you. There is no way that nobody's even once failed the bar as an incoming associate. How could somebody know whether an incoming associate failed eight years ago? Seriously?

12:20: That was true for roughly the first 35 years of Wachtell Lipton's history (that nobody failed the bar as an incoming associate). Then it wasn't.

If even Wachtell has had a bar failure, I'd like to know which firm has never had one.

ONLY RETARDS AND KENNEDYS FAIL THE BAR.

William P. Fisher, III.

Dear [ ],

If I pass the NY Bar (First Attempt), I shall treat all members on this page to Creme Brulee!

For those who failed, I've made a list of the courses and tutors and books that are most recommended (for California at least):
http://unclezeb.blogspot.com/2007/11/hey-new-plan-pass-bar.html

In my inspiring Nightingale-Conant audio program, THE LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS: HOW TO MAKE SUCCESS INEVITABLE, I retell the Maxcy Flier Story, originally broken in the LA Times.

This is a gent who failed the CA bar more than 40 times. Finally, he passed.

Bless him for his perseverence.

Thankfully, I passed it the first time.

uh lat we know that you work in your pajamas while in bed, but today i think your drunk as well. pataki is at w&c in ny and shes on the website

"Hillary Clinton: Brilliant, delicious, and everyone should vote for her. Future president of the United States."

I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I read this. I didn't know ATL was a liberal rag as well. Funny, that the list of failures are primarily dumbocracts. Coincidence? Try to be a little more objective next time you guys write an article, your blatant political bias detracts from the point of the story.

"Hillary Clinton: Brilliant, delicious, and everyone should vote for her. Future president of the United States."

I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I read this. I didn't know ATL was a liberal rag as well. Funny, that the list of failures are primarily dumbocracts. Coincidence? Try to be a little more objective next time you guys write an article, your blatant political bias detracts from the point of the story.

12, you're correct. Charlie Crist failed twice. Now he's the gov ... and announced this week that he's running for the Senate.

Don't forget...Michelle O'Bama (beautiful and brilliant?) failed the Illinois Bar.

http://www.whitecase.com/epataki/

Real tough to find on the White & Case website, Lat.

Failing a bar exam after 10+ years of practice is one thing but failing the bar exam out of law school means only one thing. You are an idiot.

can anyone find a legitimate news source confirming that m. obama failed?

Wow, lots of Democrats on that list.

On a related note, here are a few famous people who, according to Wikipedia, never even went to law school:

- U.S. presidents Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, and Calvin Coolidge
- Attorney Clarence Darrow
- Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson
- Senator Sam Ervin

Interestingly, 7 states have some provision to take the bar exam without having gone to law school first; most require a period of internship with a licensed attorney.