How is Akin Gump's appellate and Supreme Court practice going, now that they have Tom Goldstein?

So what exactly does Mario Cuomo do for Willkie?

anyone have any info on Paul Hastings new Chicago office?

How to PHJW (NY) compare with Dewey (NY) in terms of M&A work, prestige, etc.?

PHJW New York is full of miserable people (though I guess the same can be said for most of NY Biglaw).

Dewey still exists?

What firm has the hottest bitches?

5:33 - I'd give Dewey the nod for M&A. Do be aware though that a lot of their M&A work is representing the financial advisors (UBS, Credit Suisse, etc.), which may sound sexy but in actuality is very repetitive and boring (in my opinion). Paul Hastings seems ok though I don’t know too much about their M&A practice. Full disclosure: I work at neither firm.

Where's Loyola 2L? We're getting far enough down the list that these firms might actually grant him an interview

5:39, do you mean actually hot, or "law firm hot"?

The most important part of this post is the Transformers reference.

So someone can whine and moan about clerkship bonuses being discussed, I will point out that four of these five firms pay the $50K bonus. We are looking at you Winston.

Law firm hot will do.

How many of these firms will raise to 190?

The national rankings done by Chambers puts Akin's appellate practice reasonably high, and it will probably only get better.

What about 160K and a ham sandwhich?

No firm that pays 160k starting will be interviewing L2L, or any other LLS grad not in the top 20% or on law review.

As someone who used to work at one of the firms listed above, I would say L2L would need to be in the top 5-10% of her class AND need to be on law review to be considered.

P.S. P.H. sucks my ass. Worst work environment ever.

Anyone know about Akin in DC? NYC?

6:13--can you provide reasons why PH sucks?

How's Winston DC's appellate practice? Is it actually a distinct group (in terms of assignments), or do their appellate people have to do all sorts of litigation work?

I know Willkie is known for their corporate work, especially business restructuring. Any thoughts on their litigation practice?

P.H. is more concerned with appearances than getting any work done. You are constantly being watch by big brother at all times. There are plenty of assholes to go around and egos get in the way of any meaningful social interaction. Everyone there is miserable, which just makes the work atmosphere depressing. It basically fulfills every big firm negative stereotype you have heard of, but worse. I found no redeeming quality to speak of, other than having a big name on your resume, which is appropriate since they are the only law firm in downtown with their name on the building.

6:13 is in LA. The environment is much better in the NY office.

What have bonuses been like at PH? Are they firm-wide, or do they vary by office?

Also, any word on the bar stipend? What are some of their perks that may distinguish them from any other firm?

Willkie D.C. is a great place to work and the hours are totally reasonable--there is no official number and the bonuses and salaries are lockstep. Interesting stuff and really nice people. I do telecom regulatory work but a of people work on FCPA matters.

I can't speak to PH's other offices, but PH SF doesn't seem to suffer the same problems (I assume 6:13 is about LA given the building reference?). I've never felt like I was being watched or that I lacked for meaningful social interaction.

Agree with 7:01. I work at PH-NY.

Willkie is the only one of these firms that pays NY market bonuses (to both their New York AND DC offices) without any kind of hours requirement.

I disagree strongly with 6:13's comments. I haven't seen any of the things he/she describes and I've been here quite a while.

Yes, I was referring to the LA office, and I am no longer with PH. I am sure there are plenty of people who like it there, and which group you are in also makes a big difference. I have heard much better things about the NY and OC PH offices.

I used to work at PH in DC. I found 4 out of 5 partners to be miserable people. I understand it's also gotten quite a bit worse. I can't think of any associate in my class or two years on either side who's still there.

In its (meager) defense, the firm does have a decent bonus structure.

I agree with 6:13 that the group and office make a difference in level of happiness.

To respond to 7:06, PH is not known for being and will never be a market leader in terms of bonuses. That being said, the firm usually follows what it considers its competitors (LW, OMM, GD). PH pays bonuses late - usually around March so it really can watch what other firms do. Different departments handle bonuses differently. Some departments give most people the baseline bonus and one or two people a multiplier of 1.5-2 times the bonus. Other depts reward superstars with really high bonuses and totally screw the other associates.

6:13 says "Everyone there is miserable" and then "I am sure there are plenty of people who like it there." Well, which is it?

Really, these are the ramblings of a bitter person making stuff up, or greatly exaggerating a negative, localized situation.

Compared to law school classmates at other firms, I have had much more responsibility. And I haven't found any of the partners in my dept to be assholes. They may be demanding, but that is not always a bad thing. I'm really not a cheerleader-type, but I generally like going to work. That is more than most biglaw associates can say.

Obviously I was exaggerating to get my point across when I used the term "everyone." Anyone with any common sense would have known that. This is an entertaining message board, not a court of law. 7:41 is exactly the type of nitpicky person I was talking about that made the work environment nasty. I am also obviously bitter if I hated it there and left.

Did we just have an earthquake, or was it just my building shaking??

Paul Hastened Jacking Off and Walked Away

I spent a summer at Winston and it seemed like everyone there was far more happy than your average big-firm lawyer. The work is pretty top-notch, especially if you want to do litigation. Associates were generally cool enough that I wouldn't mind hanging out with them in non-work settings. And they seemed pretty happy with most of the partners. The general sentiment seemed to be that Winston is no huge exception to the things that suck about being a lawyer, but the people are cool enough and nice enough that it's way more tolerable/enjoyable.

The atmosphere of PH, as I would imagine is true for all nation-wide firms, varies greatly by office and by department. LIT, ELD and RE in SF seem relatively happy for cogs. CORP in SF seems to bleed associates, and the partners there have regularly screwed people around bonus time.

In most SF groups, there is no facetime requirement. The bonuses are on par with CA firms. The base salary is the same as NYC firms. There is a $15k bar stipend, which is characterized as a loan, so you get the whole enchilada and don't pay tax on it until you're an associate. We get fresh fruit, free sodas and bottled water, $145/mo transportation allowance, subsidized gym memberships, free dinners and cab rides (after 8:00). Free coffee, which is terrible, but there is a Peet's and Starbucks within one block. They give us a good booze budget for happy hours. Unscheduled events with a handful of associates are regularly reimbursed by the firm. We do an office-wide associate retreat every year, often wine country, but we've done Vegas and Tahoe too.

Outside of corporate, there are very few screamers in the SF office. The people are nice and tend not to be the Harvard/Yale clerk, robo-nerd types. That is changing as the firm climbs the ratings and can become more "selective."

Everyone I know in the NYC office is miserable, but everyone I know in NYC is fairly miserable, so I wouldn't pin that on PH. The people in the OC and SD offices seem fairly content. The GA people complain about the comp differences, but seem to like the work and are happy to make as much as they do in Atlanta.

I've heard so many horror stories about the mothership in LA that I would never transfer there.

I interviewed at PH in NY and 3 out of my 4 interviewers told me that they hated their jobs.

Winston Strawn has been advertising a mid-level lateral position in SF for about eight months. Can anyone give me the scoop on this place? I've heard that they have a weird comp system that pays below market for the year and then does a "true up" at the end of the year if you make hours. Any truth to that?

The Lego guy on the Colbert Report last night worked at Winston & Strawn. I'm just saying.

I do telecom regulatory work but a of people work on FCPA matters.

Fucking compelling!

6:34: Winston's appellate people, in all offices, do general lit as well as appeals. The general lit work tends towards major motions (e.g., motions to dismiss) and making sure everything is in place for appeals (e.g., motions in limine).

8:00: That is not true. It's all forward-looking. You get a bonus at the end of the year for exceeding hours, and technically are subject to getting less than a full raise for the next year for missing the minimum.

8:44 - Does Winston pay NYC rates and what are the bonuses like? The recruiter wouldn't tell me, which makes me think they can't be great or they be advertising it.

I work at PHJW-NY in Corporate and it's great. Down to earth coworkers, interesting, challenging work, great perks. I've yet to come across anyone who is "miserable", not even close.

PH LA is filled with pretentious assholes who attempt (but fail) to emulate GDC, OMM, LW, etc. Maybe someone should tell them that having one's name on a tower doesn't build prestige.

(PS: I am not 6:13.)

Winston does pay NYC rates, including the standard bonus scale at some point -- not sure how many hours it takes to hit that though. I'd guess 2100, but could be wrong.

I hear that partners don't wear pants at Akin NY.

Someone asked for emprical support to 6:13's insinuations.

I knew someone who worked at the Deathstar/PH-LA, and he worked seven of the first eight weekends in a row and averaged over 200 hours each month.

That probably doesn't sound too crazy.

...

He was a summer associate.

DeweyOrrick LLP,
The firm, 'twas never meant to be.
Dewey's debt, too much to lug.
So Chairman Baxter pulled the plug.

DeweyOrrick LLP,
The firm, 'twas never meant to be.
Dewey's debts, too much to lug.
So Chairman Baxter pulled the plug.

Again!

Any idea what grades for Winston-Chi office, from HLS?

I love how someone has been willing to say that 'associates at firm x seem happier than the average biglaw associate' for virtually every firm that has been discussed so far.

Hello recruiters! I'm imagining how hot all of you are right now.

I thought that Dewey's M&A practice got badly damaged after the failed merger attempt with Orrick. Didn't several of their top partners leave around that time?

So who is Dewey going to try merging with next?

756:

I'm glad that you separated happiness by practice area. It seems that should always be done... but why would you attribute the differences? Hours? Personality?

Anyone want to chime in on happiness based on practice area at PH?

Re W&S Comp in San Francisco and other offices - it is standard lockstep across the board years 1-5 and then gets a little squishy after that, with the grid listing highest possible pay an associate could receive (per the previous ATL memo posted). It is the same in all offices, but bonuses vary.

Re W&S Chicago office and grades, maybe a B average from HLS, and it would probably matter less if you are a big firm lateral.

I've heard that this year junior associates at Dewey are all going to bill 2400+ having done nothing but document review.

When I first started at PH-DC, it was a wonderful office -- no major egos, people were encouraged to have outside lives (some even had kids!), and the firm seemed to be run more like a business than a law firm. However, the firm was infiltrated by ex-JonesDayers who took over firm-wide mgmt and turned it into a traditional law firm sweatshop. Turnover rates rose sharply. That said, the managing partner of the Chicago office is a transplant from DC -- part of the Old Guard who probably runs his office the way it was in the old days. Knowing him, I would guess that Chicago is a pleasant office.

8:49: I don't think anybody at harvard has below a B average. Or is that your point?

My friends summering at Dewey NY HATED it and are reinterviewing (and this is multiple people).

I agree completely with 9:06 am regarding PH-DC. The culture has completely changed (at least in the litigation department). Almost all of the nice people have left, either to other firms or to government. Every time I talk to someone who still works there, there's news about another associate leaving.

For what it's worth, while you make a good point about separating happiness by practice group, you need to then only compare those practice groups ...

For example, if you say "only the Cap Mkts people at Hunton are miserable" then you have to also say "are they more or less miserable than the Cap Mkts people at Dewey" ... see how that works ...

Yes, I'm sure the litigation people at so and so are really happy, and not nearly as miserable as the securitization folks, but seriously, unless you forego the "ego factor" and go to a "second tier BigLaw firm" I don't know that anyone is actually happy ...

My recommendation would be to take the job that pays market but allows you to work the absolute minimum amount of hours. Same money for less work sounds great to me ...

can anyone make some distinctions between Winston Strawn DC and PaulHastings DC??

Can someone please tell me about Akin?

I heard he's gay.

The billables requirement for a market bonus in the NY office of Winston is 1900.

PHJE in NY is a complete clusterfuck. People are complete assholes and the firm gives ZERO attention to training junior associates. I started there with 8 other new associates in my department, and they were all gone within 1.5 years of starting!

I made a lateral move to PH DC. Compared to my old firm (also BigLaw), this firm isn't too bad. The hours are manageable and most of the associates are nice. I'm in a niche practice and really like the partner I work for. All in all, not a bad deal, but maybe my old firm was so terrible, I'm not seeing the bad here.

10:16 - Which department?

Does anyone have any insight on the Chicago office of PHJW?

What about Akin? Great political connections in DC, and the best office location of any firm in the District.

NY is very selective, on par with lower v10 firms, given the smaller size (~180 attys). They'll be moving to the new 1 Bryant Park building when it's finished, so they'll have the most high-tech office in the city.

DC is getting much more competitive now that everyone wants to go there to work on SCOTUS stuff. Summer classes will be less Gtown/GW and more Harvard and Stanford from now on. Unfortunately, this may negatively affect the firm culture, which is generally very laid-back. There are a few infamous assholes among the partnership, but 95% of them are great. Tom G. . . well, I won't touch that one.

The Chicago office of PHJW was opened by and headed by Jon Geier, who is an Employment partner. He is a very cool, laid-back, friendly and genuine person, which bodes well for the culture of the Chicago office (which is still brand new).

10:32 - Real Estate

Dewey's a good place to work. They have been ranked as the number 1 underwriter's counsel in M & A deals. That means you aren't working with companies that may or may not go out of business, they are working with well established banks such as Goldman and Lehman. In terms of exit options, the best place to work anywhere south of v15. Also, as a junior associate I've found most of the people I work with to be cool, down to earth and all around good people. Nerds won't fit in here.

About Akin NY- good place to work, interesting cases, nice partners, generally very friendly atmosphere. But, trying to grow like crazy and becoming more of a traditional NY firm (i.e., you will bill 2400+ hours a year and do a lot of doc review).

All the people from my LS that went to Dewey are 1) stupid and 2) complete assholes. Nerds may not fit in, but borderline-retarded douchebags apparently do.

PHJW-DC is not a good place. I agree with the comments that it use to be a good place to work; but then lots of laterals were brought in and completely changed in work environment. The management of the firm generally is okay but out completely to be number one. The management of the DC office takes direction from national management and are really not nice. Jones Day partners came into run litigation and turned it into a sweat shop. Various laterals in the corporate department have made it a male-dominated chauvinistic nightmare. Work is uneven throughout the firm. In recent months, some partners have been deequitized and more senior attorneys are being asked to leave or pushed out. Bonuses for associates are paid later than other firms and counsel were not given any bonuses this year. Partners are extremely protective of their work and do not share business development opportunities with each other or with other counsel/senior associates/associates. As a junior associates, one could likely be happy there (associates are friendly, free sodas and somewhat of an attempt to socialize); however, once one figures out that there is no hope of partnership and what really goes on behind the scenes, it is not a pretty picture.

11:03 - According to the new Vault guide, Akin NY has staff attorneys to do most of the doc review. True?

Re: Akin - Avoid the Enviro/Energy practice at all costs. It is sortof a backwater of the firm and is not well-thought-of by folks in the other groups. They have very little work and what work they have is pretty low end stuff.

11:36- It's true in that they've hired staff attorneys. But, I think it's more a signal that the partners care and are trying to make associate lives better, as opposed to something that will substantially improve young associate work. There's still plenty of documents to go around and it means you spend a lot of time supervising doc review (and re-reviewing).

After summering at Dewey, I can tell you it's true that nearly everyone hated their summer. And many are reinterviewing. Most of us worked longer hours than any other summers we knew about at other firms and then the firm called a meeting and insulted all of us by telling us we weren't working hard enough. As for nerds not fitting in, I guess it depends on your frame of reference.

11:22 Having a personality has alot to do with your success as a lawyer. You probably don't have one. Good luck pushing papers for 8 years only to be told that you have no chance at partnership. Where do you work again? Jacoby & Meyers?

I summered at Dewey this summer and had a blast. The people were cool and the assignments were great. The amount of work that you did depended on how many and what type of assignments you took on. The assigning partners did a good job of letting people know the time commitments of the assignment before they took it on. 11:56 the fact that you worked longer hours than your friends was your own fault. Actually, most of my friends at other firms worked about twice as hard/long as me. Most of the summers loved the experience and most of them will come back. Further, the meeting was called to clear up any confusion on how the assignment process worked. I guess you fit into the NERD category. People like you will never be happy, no matter where they go. Good luck being miserable!

The posts between 11:56 (1) and 12:11 pretty much convince me that Dewey must be miserable. My firm (one of the other 5 listed above) has had excellent summer classes and I can't imagine anyone in our recent summer class being as bitchy as 12:11 was to one of his own summer colleagues.

Akin DC - 'Only' pays $30 K for clerkship bonuses...the $50 K is only at the NYC office. Otherwise, best office location in DC, great atmosphere compared to most firms (although WS is unusually quality as well), etc. The firm is definitely growing and accepting more and more Harvard-types as summers, which might negatively affect the culture. The appellate practice and political-ties are pretty top-notch, etc. Also, as for law firm hotties, there are a few here and there...many, of course, behind the front and recruitment desks.

Don't know where 11:44 gets their info, but Energy is one of the top practices at Akin. Several of the overseas offices (Dubai, Moscow, Houston) exist solely to serve the Energy practice. The Enviro practice isn't one of the top in the field, by any stretch, but they are always pretty busy, and they do a lot of cross-practice work with bankruptcy and project finance.

The person posting about Akin doc review is probably not in NY. Smaller office = fewer mega-doc cases that require dozens of associates to do heavy doc review. Because work is growing faster than associate hiring, firm is reserving associates to do more difficult work like writing/research/depositions/trial work (esp. in bankruptcy cases)/witness interviews. The more commodity doc reviews are being done by and large by staff/contract attorneys. Akin NY has very positive reputation as friendly place, and reputation for high quality is significantly improving.

I challenge Jane Doe to name a BigLaw firm in DC where there is "hope for partnership." I don't know of any.

Don't be fooled by Akin NY. Sure, they have staff attorneys to fo doc review. But none of the partners trust the staff attorneys and insist the associates re-review or 'supervise' the review so closely in might as well be a re-review. The juicy substantive work is given only to a chosen few. And there are screamers too, just like everywhere. It's Biglaw, not day care.

I challenge Jane Doe to name a BigLaw firm in DC where there is "hope for partnership" because I don't know of any.

11:33 A small correction. At least some of the counsel at PH DC got bonuses, although small compared to associates, and not paid until July.

What are the reputations of the different practice areas at Dewey? Are some more of a sweatshop than others?

Are you kidding? Akin NY has a TON of "mega-doc" review cases. It's Skadden without the prestige.

6:39 -

The Willkie DC litigation department is really good. I was a summer associate there and I found three of the cases I was working on in the NYT over the summer. The partners are so laid back that I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, but it never did. And the three or four times I did have to stay late ("late" in D.C. is after 7:00), it was really easy to get comped dinner and a car home. I knew lots of people at other firms who said that the firm bragged about comping people dinner and rides home, but they had to fight tooth and nail for it when it came time for the firm to pony up. Not a problem at WFG DC.

Skadden without the prestige? How? Skadden probably has more people staffed on some cases than Akin has in the entire office in litigation. There is no way for AKin to take on mega mass tort type cases with millions of docs to review.

The person who complains that the "choice" assignements at Akin are given to a chosen few sounds like a typical whiner that exists at every firm. There are always people who think that someone else is getting special treatment or better assignments. They are usually just unhappy people that don't work well with others and rub others the wrong way. Those people tend to gripe a lot, but not contribute much. I would discount that person's comments. Akin is a very desirable place to work.

Paul Hastings in Palo Alto... what's the scoop there?

1:38 - is that you Steve?

Sounds like 1:42 has exposed 1:38. I love when people get busted for posting by someone else in same the building. Steve 1:38 - you gotta watch out if you have a telltale writing style. Can we get some full names and/or pictures now that the name is out there?

Btw. - a lot of Akin NY comments on this thread for an office with like 10 people.

1:38 - PH Palo Alto is great. It's a new office so the support staff is not where it needs to be, but the associates are good and the partners are great. It's very small, with only about 30 attorneys. If you want experience early, that's the place to go. They don't have enough people to over staff cases. They are expanding, but for now you get the resources of a 1200 attorney firm while working in a 30 attorney office.

Of course, the down side is you have to work in Palo Alto.

No ... the person posting about Akin doc review is in NY and recently spent about 4 months doing little but doc review (beacuse the firm is trying to take on mega doc cases b/c they pay better). I point it out only because the office used to bill itself as a smaller "lifestyle" alternative (better work, fewers hours, etc.). It's a good place to work, it's just not so different from many other NY firms. And, sorry Steve, it is less prestigous.

12:27: You're a tard and your logic is ridiculous. I can assure you that people at Dewey are not miserable.

3:27 -- you are not helping your cause.

3:27 -- you are not helping your cause.

PH-LA lit and some corp groups have pretty nice people; don't know enough about the other ones. generic bashing of the firm seems popular for whatever reason. though the firm may be a step behind omm/lw/gdc, the firm is doing pretty well (e.g. 20+% PPP increase last yr), esp. the foreign offices. not sure about bonus structure, but have heard that the new structure instituted a range of $30K to $90K (for top performers). if this is true, that doesn't sound too bad to me.

PH-Chicago seems to be bringing in strong lateral partners (e.g. William Kirsch from KE for PE work)

723--PH may consider itself to be in the same league as OMM/GD/LW, but we sure don't.

12:27 you probably summered at Winston, where you sat around a fireplace, held hands and sang folk music... What a bonding experience. haha

Ha! 4:00 - I think 7:23 must have been referring to PH's LA office because PH's NY office most certainly considers itself to be of a higher league than GD and OMM.

Couldn't have had a better experience at Dewey. Worked on matters in every group I was interested in. I know of only a few people reinterviewing, mainly based on NY v. hometown. Those who were unhappy were like most other law students--losers.

4:00 - I don't disagree. I just know that PH makes bonus and other compensation decisions based on what LW, GD, and OMM do.

Akin 3:05 - how many hours do you bill in an average month? What is your approx. high/low for the year? How much pro bono have you done? Thanks in advance.

Dewey is not a sweatshop. My roommate summered there this year. Neither he, his summer classmates, nor the attorneys there stayed late as a matter of practice. He did say the jr associates all got a lot of doc review, though.

How are the associate offices at Akin DC?

Is the remodeled gym finished?

Do associates get free membership to some local (DuPont Circle) gym? If not, how much does Akin cover the membership?

Are the weekly happy hours largely attended by associates?

What do the annual bonuses look like?

In litigation, is it relatively easy to get work, or are you "pounding the pavement" begging partners and counsel for something to do?

Doc review in the DC office, and if yes, is it largely over at least by third and fourth year?

Thanks for any info you might have!

11:52- just over 200/month is average, high would probably be around 270, low probably 150. What's also useful to know is that AG NY circulates everyone's hours each month, so I can tell you what I do is in line with others. I have not done much pro bono, but that's probably just me ...

3:59 - Correction - PH did not bring in Kirsch from K&E. Kirsch left Conseco and PH tapped him to start their Chi office in hopes of leveraging his former client list at K&E, which hasn't materialized. Have also heard grumblings that the man is pretty awful to work with, which might explain why they have few corporate associates in the Chi office. Real estate, on the other hand, is a bunch of ex-K&E people and seems to be doing well.

Akin 10:28: I heard Akin used to circulate hours but stopped at the start of this year. Is that true (or did you leave before this)? If they did stop, how do you know what others have been doing lately?

NALP has lower numbers for average hours.

The AG DC offices are fine - they all have windows, they're decent size with a large L-shaped desk, file cabinet, two visitor chairs, and a bookcase.

The remodeled gym is not yet finished. There is a reduced discount at various local gyms, I'm not sure how much it amounts to.

There's a core group of associates that attend the happy hours. Many don't. It's neither an event where you have to show up, nor something incredibly lame where you don't won't to show up. A few partners show up every now and then.

You don't need to pound the pavement to get assignments, there's an assignment process. Sometimes things are busier than others, which may mean you need to ask for work if things are slow.

Document Review: Most first years do some, but nobody exclusively does document review. I doubt anyone spends more than 25% of their time with doc review. You'll likely spend more time doing various research projects, drafting pleadings, etc. as a first year.

Bonuses: $15-30k.

For someone interested in corporate work, any thoughts on PH SF vs. Wilson Sonsini PA?

i summered at dewey ny this summer. i found the work interesting and, with few exceptions, the people excellent. i do not think you will get a crazy party summer there, but the work was certainly not as backbreaking as one of the previous posters indicated. i will be accepting my offer there. i do not think i fall into the idiot or the retard category, and i am slightly offended for myself and my fellow summers. that having been said, i would warn potential interviewers that the firm is definitely in flux, having gone through one failed merger and the subsequent attorney attrition, and now we will have to wait and see what happens with this next merger. if it goes as poorly as the ill-fated d'orrick debacle, it is possible that there will be more good lawyers leaving to other firms. all things considered, however, i enjoyed my summer and would encourage interviewers to consider the firm.

PH LA wasn't terrible for summers at least, although the prestige of this year's class was pretty shitacular. Lots of 1Ls.

I summered at AG Dallas this summer. They are great people and fun to work with. Also very collegial. They are all passionate about what they do and are doing very well at it. Litigation and Corporate are definitely their strongest. But the funds group is also very well known in the field. I already accepted there and am excited about it.

steel cage death match, PH-NY v. JD-NY... who gets carried out?

can anyone tell me about akin la?

it is unfortunate that these posts tend to be battlegrounds instead of threads of useful material to help law students and laterals make insightful choices. We should all be on the same team -- if we just spoke about our own work environments and attempted to give an accurate portrayal of the inside of a firm all of our lives would be better off.

it is unfortunate that these posts tend to be battlegrounds instead of