Crazy stuff.

how about "neither"?

That girl is a freak.

Cynthia was owned. Bad.

She probably isn;t fond of giving oral sex either!

Holy crap, Scott owned the SHIT out of that bitch

lulz...feminazi pwn3d.

Scott is way wittier than Cynthia.

I would have expected Cynthia to write "Good luck this year in lawschool, womyn!" She probably couldn't figure out how to spell that either.

Ooooh, she got served.

i agree with Cynthia on principle (i mean, holding gender roles DEAR? what the fuck?), but both of them showed a major inability to take a joke.

White Guys With Washers For Sale

Scott. Hands Down. Talk about bringing some firre power...

WUSTL student - Please elaborate.

Memo to Scott: Someday you're going to have your midlife crisis, your marriage will end, and there will be no one to do your laundry...so, you might as well learn to do it now.

She's never going to make it in the real world...you know, the one where some male partner asks her to get him coffee (as he would ask any other lowly law clerk or associate--male or female) and she throws a hissy-fit about gender stereotyping and gets herself declared a wacko and no offered.

Cynthia does a disservice to women. It takes one feminazi like that to make men band together and be scared to deal with women as equals.

Chic Lawyer - Amen!

And Cynthia is pwned beyond belief. I think Scott played that one well and sent it right back to her.

"You seem to read much into little, but I suppose "activists" have to constantly make fires from sparks, less they stand in the unemployment lines."

It should be "lest" Scott. You are a douche and I suspect you haven't been laid in ages.

Chic lawyer: If men scare that easily, perhaps they should be the ones staying home cooking dinner and doing our laundry.

i'm assuming you want me to elaborate on my WTFery with respect to holding gender roles dear. it's illogical to think that certain human beings have a certain role in the world or in the family because they are men, or because they are women. it's not a travesty if, in cases where a man prefers an historically male action he does it, or a woman prefers an historically female action she does it. that's fine. but, so is the reverse. so is a mix. having that as a worldview, and thinking that it is only valid that women do stereotypically female things and men do stereotypically male things is limiting.

is there a feminine form for douchebag?

Chic Lawyer: Where do you stand on giving blow jobs?

3:52, the minute some knuckle-dragging partner ask her to get him a coffee and she throws a fit is the minute the firm sees a gender discrimination suit in the pipeline, kisses her ass for the rest of the summer, hires her, and then pushes her out over the course of the next 4 years by failing to give her enough work.

What's the big deal about Cynthia pointing out that a sexist joke sent across an entire list-serv (at a law school no less) is not appropriate.

Scott's the one that looks silly here. He acts like this is "just a joke", but then sends a multi-paragraph screed about his views of the world. Finally after his screed, he has the nerve to say Cynthia is the one on a soap-box.

In the end, I actually voted for "neither". The whole debate is a waste of time.

Of course, why am I posting about it?

Why isn't anyone addressing the REAL issue here? Why didn't she get no-offered as well?? Her behavior seems just as objectionable as the male summer associate's was.

I don't buy it from "Chic Lawyer". Only trolls will uses terms like "femi-nazi" (that term feels so dated). Chic Lawyer is just trying to get a rise out of everyone.

Am I right Chic Lawyer? Will I see you at the Pasadena Ritz for the Human Fund event this Fall?

Cynthia is a grade-A fool. I suspect that that is the only thing about her that is A quality.

I kinda wish Scott would run into that latina gal at a Chicago bar.

Best line in the entire exchange: "Thank you for your interest in the washer and dryer set."

(Second best: The "O" magazine line.)

TO: Cynthia
FROM: Bruised Booze Cruiser
CC: School of Law

Fat bitch, fat bitch, you are such a fat bitch!

Scott is the man (a role?).

WUSTL student - Thanks for elaborating. I think the only person in the debate above who was limiting their world view was Cynthia. Scott seemed open to woman having other roles while at the same time holding the roles he wife chose as dear. Cynthia, on the other hand, seems to limit her world view in that it is unacceptable for a woman to choose a traditional role.

pwn3d.

I voted neither because they are both attending a tier 2 school.

Really Go Scotty? Suggesting that this jackhole do his own laundry constitues a limited world view of genderal roles?

Seriously.

3:58(3):

Is there a guy's version I don't know about?

Wow - what an interesting ride.

I went from thinking that the guy was a asshole, to thinking that the girl was a asshole and was overreacting to a seemingly funny joke (and I'm a woman), to realizing that the guy, was indeed...an asshole.

As an Emory alum, I can assure you that these email exchanges were quite commonplace there until the privilege to post to the listserve was taken away. When I was a 3L, a 1L decided to email the entire list serve with a call to repent, accept Jesus as savior, and convert. Clearly he was annoyed at all the jewiness permeating from Emory (oh, I'm a Jew, too), but it was incredibly inappropriate and he wound up being crucified.

See, that was a joke.

it makes me literally tremble with fear for the future that the two original douchebags got into their irrelevant little pissing match, only to be followed by 30 or do more douchebags here earnestly discussing this non-event. Get goddamned lives of your own or least volunteer your otherwise ill-spent time.

More law school dramz. Loves it!!

The Bastard on the Couch - I was refering to Cynthias broader issue. I really don't think Cynthia was mad about just the laundry thing. Something to the effect of "Down with marriage as a form of endentured domestic service!"

Bladerunner:

You must be new...

4:07:

i don't see where she said it wasn't okay for wives to choose those roles. her argument was that it's misguided to believe that those are the only roles that are okay for a wife.

I agree w/ 3:59. Scott's got a decent wit, and goaded Cynthia into an argument that she really didn't want to have, but ultimately I think he comes off as the jerk on the soapbox.

What nobody is bringing up is whether the Kirkland SA who broke the washing machine was fired. Why is nobody talking about this?

Bladerunner, I know this firm that holds a great event each summer at the Pasadena Ritz. Would you like to go?

i don't even consider schools like washU as law schools - if a school's that low in the rankings no one cares about it since almost all of its grads are going to be very, very average lawyers...

"The Bastard on the Couch - I was refering to Cynthias broader issue. I really don't think Cynthia was mad about just the laundry thing. Something to the effect of "Down with marriage as a form of endentured domestic service!"

I think she was kidding, there, Go Scotty.

Did I mention I think Scott is an asshole? Seriously, dude's an asshole. See, "asshole" is gender neutral as well.

My role in life is to call asshole's out on their assholiness. Thanks Scott - for helping me fulfill my role, asshole.

I think something has been missed here. How is this sexist: "my wife refuses to wash my clothing until I purchase her one of the larger and prettier front-loading sets"

He's not saying it's her job and he's not saying he shouldn't have to do it. All he's saying is the person in the house who does the laundry has demanded new equipment. So what?

It could easily have been "My husband has refused to do my laundry until I buy him a new washer and dryer".

4:01, actually the WIFE was the summer associate. K&E hired her on as of counsel, so she would still have time to do laundry, cook, etc. The feminist was just some random girl who happened to be at the bar that night.

To be fair, I'm an asshole for putting an apostrophe "s" instead of pluralizing it.

I think it was ill advised for Scott to make a comment about his wife doing his laundry on a list-serve. However, Cynthia was COMPLETELY wrong to call him out for it on a list serv. If Cynthia had a problem with Scott's comment, she could have (and should have) dealt with it in a private email exchange.

I see nothing wrong with the division of labor in Scott's house as long as his wife is ok with it. I think that Cynthia has no right to judge. However, Scott really should no better than to email an ENTIRE list serv to say that if his wife doesn't do his laundry, he has no clean clothes. It comes across as really sexist, even if that was not his intention.

Scott sucks - he went way over the top on her and clearly took it too personally. If he truly was the "winner" he just would have laughed it off instead of sending that last crazy-ass diatribe.

The part about "O" Magazine and the wiki link was just over the top and set the whole tone for the thing to spiral out of control. Also, his reference to the "good Lord" is a giveway to the fact that he is probably some conservative midwestern meathead.

Scott is the DB. Cynthia at least was short and quippy, Scott was the one who responded with the typical stupid flaming law student email. He should be shot.

For those of you wondering, I am married white man on the hiring committee of a Biglaw. Scott would get "cold-offered" at my firm.

Amazing what poor writers both of these people are.

What I don't get is how he can claim it's a joke and then justify the email by stating that he "strongly supports without remorse, traditional gender roles." Which obviously means it wasn't a joke. DOUCHE!

I agree, Pete. Why did everyone - especially Cynthia - miss this?

Okay - we have a dual income house. I do the laundry in our house and when I get fed up with it, I send it out. The dry cleaner does it. Apparently someone can't figure out how to dry bras without destroying them.

To 3:52:
If I were to wake up in 10 years and leave my husband, I am sure there would be some sweet young thing eager to do his laundry and give him a blow job. The world is full of women with daddy issues.

Bitch in the House - Damn! I knew I should have followed Scptt's wikipedia link on Jokes.

Bladerunner - practice what you preach and go away.

So did Cynthia get a cold offer? I think you left out the part where she poored the drink on his head.

It's good to know the AutoAdmit crowd have found another outlet for their comments...

Seriously, Pete at 4:24, your parents spent some hard years keeping you alive, stimulated you with books and fed you -- for goddamned what??!! This?! To discuss the email exchange of Scott and Cynthia - two irrrelevant douchebags you don't even know!?!

I'm going to track your parents down. They are entitled to a refund.

Loyla 2L: Washington University is ranked No. 19. That's not exactly a tier two school. Get your rankings straight.

bladerunner go away.

Scott definitely owned her, but both of them are d-bags for the whole event to have gone so far. Reading that exchange was like watching two retards fight.

I'm with Cynthia. Scott just looks pathetic and incompetent because he can't/won't do his own laundry.

Thanks for the clarification 4:31.

Could someone please tell me which one was the SA in the story? I can't believe no one has brought that up yet.

Poor husband. I bet she wants him to suck dick before she will suck dick.

I was under the impression that most people just did their own laundy these days. I wouldn't know how to dry bras without destroying them, either, and if I let my wife do mine she'd throw away half my worn out sweat pants. Do other married people do their laundry together? That's weird.

I'm with Scott. Cynthia just looks pathetic and incompetent because she can't/won't accept the fact that someone does his laundry.

I date womyn like Cynthia for sport. The funny part is, when those like Cynthia reach about thirty they realize that their eggy wegs are going south and start to cry at the baby story shows on the Discovery Channel. Hopefully intelligent womyn will believe that childbearing and, more importantly, rearing is a worthwhile endeavor again. Until such time I am staying out of the 'meaningful relationship' game.

poured

back to doc review.

lol @ 4:19's "Cynthias broader issue"

Saying "Washer is Roper Brand by Whirlpool Corporation" is like saying "Car is Geo by Caddillac Corporation."

4:24, I think what pissed Cynthia off is later in the sentence, where he said "and... I need clean clothing". He was implying that it was his wife's job to do the laundry, and there was no way he was going to do it himself, thus further implying that it is a woman's job to do the laundry. At least, that is how Cynthia, and, I think, most people read it. But I agree with Joe Flom, reading that exchange was like watching two retards fight.

Scott is sexist. Obviously. But if Cynthia was going to throw the sexist card, she needed to be prepared to engage him on it and respond to Scott's douchey rant.

I must say though that for the next two years I am asking any Scott from WUSTL that comes through my firm's door whether he is the author of this e-mail. If so . . . ding!

cynthia = stupid bitch

Cynthia is polling under 10 percent? I had no idea this blog's readership was so boy-dominated.

No, 4:37 most people in biglaw have the nanny do the laundry.

"I had no idea this blog's readership was so boy-dominated."
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What?! Really? The ATL comment pages are like a tree fort with an x-box and topless bartenders.

4:40, I am a woman and voted for Scott. But then again I understand football and work in a "lesser" legal market. So maybe its a geography issue and not so much a gender issue....

The only thing worse than these pointless comments is the comments taking the time to point out how pointless they are.....wait a minute....

I think it's insane that someone would couple feminism with an aversion to fellatio (sorry, I love that word). Any woman who's blown a dude knows that the power is all hers...now if she blows some dude because she wants him to like her...that's another story.

You can be a feminist and give head. Trust.

4:40(4): This blog's readership is *idiot*-dominated.

Scott is, from the evidence in the record, the more informed of the two parties, with regard to the stance he has taken.

On the other hand, Cynthia is right to challenge Scott on two points: (1) the notion that it is acceptable to foist gender stereotyping, and what appears to be a somewhat sexist attitude, onto the entire law school population; and (2) the notion that doing so "jokingly" somehow makes it okay.

I support neither of them. I can't support Cynthia because her reaction appears to be too knee-jerk and counterproductive; and I can't support Scott because I reject notions 1 & 2 (above), both of which he seems to embrace unabashedly.

Scott has a wide stance in the bathroom stalls.

Between this and the blackberry post - jesus. Is it a court holiday or something?

She's lame. Feminism is about giving women choices...not about putting women down if the choice is to take a more traditional role.

4:40 - Nice bias. Dinging someone solely because their spouse does the laundry for them. Would you ding if it was the other way around?

Scott only needed to explain a few things, they are:

* Why women have smaller feet than men:
- It's one of those "evolutionary things" that allows them to stand closer
to the kitchen sink.

* What's worse than a Male Chauvinist Pig:
- A woman that won't do what she's told.

* How to know when a woman is about to say something smart:
- When she begins a sentence with "A man once told me ..."

Had he done these things, she would have recognized his wisdom from the outset and hushed!

L2L at 4:13...Ummm...Wash U. broke the top 20 this year...last I checked that was WAY into Tier 1

4:50

Perhpas 4:40 is dinging him because he's depicted himself as a lazy oaf who can't muster up the energy or brainpower to wash his own clothes.

He's out there hawking his old crappy washer and dryer because his wife demanded he buy a new set; sounds like the wife is the one cracking the whip to me.

Isn't the point here that dude was trying to sell his washer/dryer and Bizatch should have just kept her comments to herself or rather just emailed him privately?

Remember me? I am Scott.

What's up with the mistaken notion that any of these people were SAs? Did I miss something? How could anyone, let alone half a dozen commentors, get this confused? The post clearly states that they were law students. This is confirmed multiple times: "...this email string between a couple Washington University in St. Louis law students...."

Reading comprehension, the ability to read and comprehend, is one of the most important assetributes any lawyer (or law student) brings to the table. If you don't have this, work on it. By which I mean:

WAKE UP, MORONS!!! LEARN HOW TO READ!!! I THANK GOD EVERY DAY THAT I DON'T WORK WITH IDIOTS LIKE YOU.

4:48(2): You don't seriously come here for real legal news, do you?

Personally I love stuff like this on ATL.

LOL at all of the WUSTL students who think they go to a Tier 1 law school. 19 or 190...it'll make no difference come time for all of you to find jobs.

5:09: While your reading comprehension may be superb, you're joke-detection ability is not. Maybe you lost your ability to sense jokes after you were punched by a female SA at a bar in Chicago...

You can be a feminist and give head. Trust.

Can we date?

Scott's right - its all about specialization of roles. For example, my husband is "better" at doing the laundry and the dishes, so he does them. I'm better at handling our finances, so I do that. We split cooking 50/50 because we are both equally mediocre there.

And we managed to perform our special roles while we both work biglaw jobs.

5:09, you obviously aren't a regular on ATL if you don't know what the SA jokes are about. You are the one who sounds like a clueless douchebag. Take some Xanax and get lost.

Anon at 5:14 - WUSTL alum here working at the biggest of Biglaw pulling down the biggest of big bucks working on the biggest of big cases. My guess...you're the first year I laughed at yesterday because you couldn't find your way to the bathroom on your second day. You went to Yale where they don't bother to teach the "practical" stuff like finding the bathroom or being nice to secretaries, didn't you?

5:18, please, you just want a BJ :)

Everybody do the WUUUUSTL!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!! (aka the best dance ever)

Isn't the point of law school to do really well and get a big payday at the end, so that we can afford nannies and housecleaners and drycleaners?

If my significant other is in law school, I would volunteer for all the household chores. Getting to the top 10%/law review/editorship is stressful enough as it is, why would I possibly want to jeopardize that by making a big deal about sharing household chores.

However, I would smack him/her for getting into such a retarded email exchange and maybe consider dumping that loser ass.

Anonymous at 5:20--
Your husband is "better" at doing the dishes? What the hell are you talking about? That's like being "better" at licking envelopes or opening a door!

You've got some screwed up marriage, not to mention the dish-washing ability of an invalid. And to think -- people actually took time out of their day to come to your worthless wedding!! And the gifts!!

AAAGGH!!!

i love women who choose to give me head. there need to be more of those. trust.

LOL, what's worse: being married to Scott or going to WUSTL?

5:42pm. How long did it take you to think up that witty post?

4:48 - There was a recent earnest discussion about whether legal work was slow and there'd be lay-offs (especially in M&A and other specialities that ride with the market)...perhaps the number of responses on here is a better indicator of the availability of real (read: legitimately billable) work than the markets...?

5:44 clearly faster than it took Scott to figure out how to work a washing machine.

Does she do windows?

It is sad that men like scott can rationalize the fact that they are too lazy to do their own laundry and cook for themselves. I guess he'll have to learn once his wife wises up, leaves him for some egalitarian foreign guy, and he's left alone with his new washer/dryer set.

As a man, I happily don't believe in traditional gender roles. For example, when my wife had our baby (which she insisted on, over my offers to do it), she went back to work the next day and I stayed out on paternity leave to watch our nanny tend to the kid and get back in shape. It was a rough time for me, but I was happy to take one for the team.

Bladerunner: my husband is better at washing the dishes, too. And by that I mean that he works less hours than I do so he has more energy to do it at the end of the day and so therefore can do it in half the time. Oh, and by the way, he's also really good at peeling potatos and sweeping the floor. I, on the other hand, am better at the laundry (he is color blind) and cleaning the toilets (attention to detail).

5:48 - It took about 3 minutes...the same amount of time it takes a WUSTL student to figure out how to open a casebook.

5:18, please, you just want a BJ :)

No way! I want to hold hands and discuss our feelings... AND I reciprocate sexy! :) C.mon date me! we can go on Oprah and tell everyone how we met on a blog... Sexy stuff.

As a gay man, I can safely say that Scott is a drag queen. A bad drag queen at that. He had three snaps but his routine was tired, and has been done before a thousand times better.

Winner: Cynthia for making her point in 4 less self-serving paragraphs.

Not chic lawyer, do you still bother to blow your DH, or have you given up on that?

4:38 - Baby Story is on TLC, not Discovery Channel. I know this because my wife is constantly watching it.

Should also mention that I am an evil sexist because WE decided that SHE should have another baby which is the lowest, most dangerous form of gender assignment. It is absolutely terrible that WE (much like Scott and his wife) made a decision that would not fly in left-wing circles.

5:44 - It took about 3 minutes...the same amount of time it takes a WUSTL student to figure out how to open a casebook.

5:57,

Oh, this is so perfect! We can chuckle about how I made a sexually graphic comment on a law-related website and how you got turned on by it. And then we'll make love...

calm down bladerunner--

Do you need assume the worst?

Yes, my husbnad is better at doing dishes. He remembers to do them, I have a tendency to let them pile up without thinking or caring to wash them. I'll forget which dishes aren't dishwasher safe. No, it's not rocket science, but he cares more about doing the dishes right (whereas I don't), so he does them.

If that makes us screwed up and me an invalid, so be it. But we're happy, rich, and enjoy each other, so I guess we need our faults, too. I'm going to leave now to go home and have sex with my husband, but you keep posting those insightful comments of yours!

I bet cynthia gets laid more than scott

5:59, great analogy. You know, since men are physically incapable of chores - as they are with childbirth.

6:02 - don't you mean "Not by a man anyway"?

to 6:06 III, does it really matter in the end?

Not all girls feel the same way Cynthia does. I'm only in law school to get my Mrs. degree. And after that, I will be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen!

100% chance that Cynthia is a fat, hairy, never-been-fucked bitch who hates men because they hate her.

Props to brad for shutting her cake hole up.

scott not brad.

P.S. cynthia is fat

6:11, I agree with Cynthia and I got laid last night. What now!

"we're happy, rich, and enjoy each other"

Um...rich people don't do their own dishes. You and your husband are what is known as "poor."

of course Scott hasn't been laid much lately, he's married.

I still can't believe Scott got almost two-thirds of the vote. Is this site overwhelmingly male? Is this site secretly right-wing? What is going on here?

6:39 -- Why? It's so much fun to discuss how feminists have ruined the world... and believe me, they have. As a woman who is basically forced to have a career, I can't stand feminists.

Hold on! Cynthia's first reply was a joke, just like Scott's first comment!

Scott went downhill first with the ad hominem attack. Message #3 would have been pitch-perfect without the postscript.

Then, of course, Cynthia lost all credibility with the double-reply.

However, much like the first person to cite Hitler, the first person to correct grammar and spelling loses any argument.

Thus, Scott snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

It's not that in their relationship the chores are divided so the wife does the laundry, it is that in the face of his wife refusing to do the laundry at this point in time, either he is incapable of doing it(he didn't learn a skill that most people have learned at least by college) or that he is so stubborn/entrenched in "traditional gender roles" that he cannot bring himself to do laundry even though apparently he is running out of clean clothes.

What's going on is people aren't retarded. Anyone with half a wit could tell that he was making a joke, whether it was funny or appropriate is up to the reader, but it certainly didn't deserve the totally douchebag (gender neutral) response into his private affairs with his wife.

What happened to "my body my choice" from feminists? Isn't "their marriage their choices" analogous? Who gives a crap who washes the dishes, does the laundry or changes the lightbulbs in a private marriage.

Jeez, are left-wingers really this stupid? Scott may be a jerk but Cynthia is unemployable.

"Hold on! Cynthia's first reply was a joke, just like Scott's first comment! "

What a nuts interpretation, if Cynthia's reply was a joke she wouldn't have referred to him as a sexist in her next message, see:

" I'm rolling at your hilarious
"jokes!""

She's not joking, for those of us sarcasm-savvy its obvious.

6:50 ... it isn't a joke if it isn't funny

OKAY. first off, I know cynthia decently well. And while sometimes her responses are a bit out there, she is a kind-hearted person who only means well. That being said, as a female washu student, I am appalled by Scott's behavior during my time at the school. Not only is he a sexist jerk, he has responded to OUTLAW (you know--the lgbt group) e-mails to the whole school with anti-gay rhetoric. He is an intolerant person and needs to keep his hate to himself.

Also, I think Lat needs to abide by his no-name policy and not post the e-mails of easily identifiable people. We at WashU know EXACTLY who these people are, and it isn't hard for those with facebook or a friend to figure it out either.

stupid feminists. if it wasn't for them i could be at home livin the life, makin scrapbooks, watchin soaps, goin to brunch... instead i have to buy my own shit and thus make my own money

i cant wait until i finally find a good man and i can quit this effing job

"What's going on is people aren't retarded. Anyone with half a wit could tell that he was making a joke, whether it was funny or appropriate is up to the reader, but it certainly didn't deserve the totally douchebag (gender neutral) response into his private affairs with his wife."

If he wasn't serious then why did he get a new washer and dryer? He could have just, horrors, done the laundry himself.

See, it's a joke because it's true.

6:06,

No, I already implied it would be a man. Figure out what "HBI" means. (I guess one could creative on that point, though).

and BTW - not sent to the whole school. only to the idiots who opt-in to the spamming listserve.

"it isn't a joke if it isn't funny"

I didn't say it was funny, but regardless any moron that read it should know that it wasn't a serious comment, and Cynthia's response was completely douchebaggedy.

One word: ignore. I do it on a daily basis with things that perturb or annoy me. I don't want to work with someone who doesn't have the common sense not to turn a molehill into an unwelcome pulpit.

man i hope someone at WASHU loads up scott's carrel (or study area equivalent) with a bunch of laundry soap or something... it is good to know that scott's attitude won't last long in the real world. i've watched guys like him drop like flies once they have to abide by anti-harassment policies... those boys just can't help themself and its so funny.

Is she fat? Has she ever been to Chicago?

"If he wasn't serious then why did he get a new washer and dryer? He could have just, horrors, done the laundry himself. "

Good god the comments get dumber. Perhaps there was a "serious" need for a new W&D, but he "joked" about the cause of said need. This kind of comment would be completely laughed off, ignored, or otherwise blown off in the overwhelming majority of society, which fortunately I live in.

Again, not saying its funny, its just that its obvious not meant to be taken seriously.

So Scott is a 2L? That means he will be or IS interviewing now . . .

DING!

that boy has some splainin to do

To WashU Female 2L

Actually, the response to the Outlaw email was not anti-gay by any standard. The email was questioning their protests and inaccurate statements regarding the JAG OCI policy. I have seen the emails and none are anti-gay.

However, it is a typical liberal tactic to label conservative opinions "hate." Thankfully, some people are not ashamed to associate their names with their opinions, even though others misconstrue them.

What serious needs arise to replace washers and dryers - putting aside mechanical problems (which he disclaimed) or preference of the user (which he "joked" about but was, come on now, son, the truth).

Please enlighten dumb ole me.

scotts a 3L. and an officer in, you guessed right--the fed society!

His clothes were slightly damp, and he smelled faintly of mildew.

Uhh, his wife really wanted a new W&D???

For those of who are happily married and aren't complete idiots we do things for each other that isn't necessary but we do anyways and we take seriously.

As an example, I can't begin to understand the fascination with jewelry, but you better damn well believe when my wife wants something I take it seriously.

Back to W&Ds and more pertinent matters, in fact we replaced our W&D recently, the washer because it was broken and the dryer.....because my wife wanted a matching set.

Now I could have made a "joke" at a party that I had to get the matching dryer or else my wife would stop having sex with me. I wouldn't make that joke because its a stupid joke, but if I did the vast majority (if not all) of our friends would know that it wasn't really a matter of sexual needs but me making a lame joke. This is called normalcy, granted a lot of law students and lawyers don't live in this land.

Scott is guilty of a bad joke, but Cynthia's defenders here are living in wonderland.

What does being an officer in the Fed Society have to do with anything? The issue here is that Cynthia was offended by something meant as a joke and did the stupid thing of responding to the whole entire law school. Can we comment back on that?

Scott didn't mean anything he said as a joke. He tried to backtrack and claim he was joking when confronted with his poor humor, but then he contradicts himself and says he believes 100% in traditional gender roles.

Can someone at WUSTL clarify: Did this go to the entire school, or just to a handful of people on a list serve?

I am happy to report that Scott did not summer at Kirkland & Ellis.

"He tried to backtrack and claim he was joking when confronted with his poor humor"

Let me get this straight, he wasn't making a joke, yet was confronted with his poor humor?

Which is it? If not a "joke", then why mention humor?

handful of people on the listserve. *i* am not on the listserve and did not get these emails -- i only heard about them

"Uhh, his wife really wanted a new W&D???"

That's exactly what I said. It's only a joke because it's true. And you're calling me dumb...

Man, some serious PMSing going on here. Which reminds me:

Why do they call it PMS? Mad Cow Disease was already taken.

Why do women get PMS? Becase they deserve it.

I feel better now.

"He tried to backtrack and claim he was joking when confronted with his poor humor, but then he contradicts himself and says he believes 100% in traditional gender roles."

Can't someone make a joke about a truly held belief. Why can't you make jokes about your own beliefs, such as "my wife won't do my laundry until I get her new washers, **and well I need clothing**" It might be a bad joke, but is not necessarily a contradiction

WashU Female 2L: YOU are the dumbass who has made it that much easier to identify the participants in this drama.

Who cares if people at Wash U know who Scott and Cynthia really are? They already have their full names thanks to the list serve.

7:08, it is a typical conservative tactic to be hateful to nonwhite, nonchristian, nonmale, nonstraight, people. And yes, refusing to grant gays equality is hateful. Deal with it, bigot.

7:25: LEARN TO READ!

We aren't talking about Kirkland Ellis on this thread. We are talking about WashU, which is NOT a TIER TWO school (as has been pointed out numerous times).

7:25, stop calling WashU a tier two school!!

Why does any of this matter since WashU is a tier two school?

1. Wash U is no. 19 and has had a number of the vault top 20 on campus for early interview week.

2. This thread should be shut down, as there is nothing to productive to be gained. Both students are good people who happen to hold different views. These students were merely participating in an open forum for the Wash U community, and should not be maligned for having done so.

Lat, in the future, maybe these types of emails should not be included, as they merely tarnish the reputation of the students involved.

7:43

Fixed it for you:

[I]n the future, maybe these types of emails should not be [written], as they merely tarnish the reputation of the students involved.

I agree with 7:43. No purpose has been served by outing these two students just for having a disagreement on a hot button topic.

One question for 7:43, is WashU a tier one or tier two school?

Uh, to the people crying about the tier 2 talk...have you ever thought that maybe they're baiting you? If you think that their comments are so irrational and insane, then maybe...just maybe....they are on purpose.

7:35: You obviously don't read ATL much if you did not get 7:25's Kirkland reference. IdioTTT.

E-mails like this are sent at most schools. Honestly people, move on.

7:46, come on, it has always been so easy to bait people on this board. No sense giving away the secret.

The most disturbing part of Scott's statement is that it is all over the place. First he claims it is a joke and then later tries to own the putative sexism. Which is it?

I think it's settled that WUSTL is tier 2. Let's get back to the topic at hand.

WUSTTTL!

"That's exactly what I said. "

O RLY?

What you said: "(which he "joked" about but was, come on now, son, the truth)."

So the truth is he wouldn't have clean laundry or the truth is he was joking about the cause.

If its the former, I completely disagree, if its the latter than why are you disagreeing with me, unless you are disagreeing that he wasn't "serious" about "joking"?

At any rate, this is why people hate lawyers.

7:58, if nothing else you have to admit that WashU is a tier two school, right?

Of course. I thought that was settled.

It's both, of course.

The truth is he wouldn't have clean laundry, that's why it's a joke. It's a joke because it's true. If it were false it would be even less "funny" (if that's possible). Said differently (how that's for lawyerly) it's a joke only because it's true. It would just be pathetic if it were false.

There is no purpose to post these law school exchanges. Law school is a haven. I hope you don't post more of these exchanges, or if you do, don't include even their first names. Just students probably under a lot of stress, give them a freakin' break.

8:09

How much stress can there be at a tier 2?

so whats the cut off for tier 1?

Oh, this is so perfect! We can chuckle about how I made a sexually graphic comment on a law-related website and how you got turned on by it. And then we'll make love...

Right on Oprah's couch!

"conducting marine archeology projects from her exploratory vessel that was fiscally provided by the “oppressive” relationship she carried on with my father."

So she fashioned flies out of grass and twigs for my father's fly fishing rod from the raft he made her sit in 100 yards upstream while signaling whenever she saw a fish swim by?

Thanks for posting the rest!

don't look now, but one of the emails in the longer chain wasn't redacted so well. guess we know her full name now...

My god - it was a joke. It was a slightly funny joke. It wasn't all that controversial. Cynthia's response was idiotic. Just give it up people.

i've never even heard of WashU, at least in the law school context.

the school must have no presence on the east coast

I just love how conservative "straight" white men have suddenly cast themselves in the victim role that they portend to abhor. "Oh, you're being sexist by calling me on my sexism." Mary!

And as a gay man, I'm not surprised that Scott is also a homophobe. Gay people interfere with the whole "natural" gender order thing. That of course places them below women in the eyes of the "God."