Some Gloating Material for Columbia Law Folks
Okay, CLSers, so NYU Law School has surpassed you in the U.S. News rankings. But here's some consolation: at least your law library is a zone of normalcy (as law libraries go, that is).
Late last year, NYU's law library was taken over by a mystery smell. And now it has a new problem.
Check it out, after the jump.
From a tipster:
Apparently our crack team of NYU police can't keep naked people from hanging out in the library. I hadn't heard about this until I got the memo, but maybe someone who actually saw it can provide further insight.We are all supposed to show our IDs when we come in the front door at the law school, but the security people are pretty incompetent, and someone who wanted to sneak in the building would be able to without much trouble... Not to encourage further craziness, but I can't say I'm that surprised.
Here's the memo:
"Inappropriate" or "odd" behavior will not be tolerated at NYU Law School. Until you have tenure.
Also: Is a naked guy in your law library better or worse than a "Jesus" freak?
(94) Comments
I am NOT in my 40s!
FIRST!!! To expose myself...
It may have been Loyola 2L.
What can I say? I really missed being around...
I don't get, the comma after "40s."
And why does some dude rocking out with his cock out necessarily raise concerns about the security of personal belongings?
Wait. New York has a lw school??
I'd still rather go to school in the village than harlem!
that's crazy--when I visited NYU as an admitted student (not on the official day, but when I was in town) security was ridiculously tight--I showed photo ID and my admission letter and they still wouldn't let me in!
guess the rules for 40-year-old exhibitionist guys are a little more lax.
ps--I ended up at a different T14, in part because I didn't want to spend three years dealing with staff with such sticks up their asses.
Amy, Amy Chu, where are you? Some dude just whipped his unit out.
10:18 has clearly never been the victim of the "sticky laptop" prank.
Its New York. Who's to say what "suspicious or odd behavior" is in NYC. Do they grade on a curve?
It was probably an Emory Law grad.
"Amy, Amy Chu, where are you? Some dude just whipped his unit out."
haha! i can see the NYU security squad rolling around in mini-Mystery Machines.
BIG BIG BIG Bonus News from Linklaters today!
In my 6 years of practice, I have worked in (1) the gov't, (2) a top 10 NY firm, and (3) a top 50 firm, and I have NEVER MET anyone from any of these schools:
University of Texas-Austin
University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
Washington and Lee University (VA)
Ohio State University (Moritz)
University of Wisconsin-Madison
George Mason University (VA)
University of Alabama
University of Colorado-Boulder
Brigham Young University (Clark) (UT)
Southern Methodist University (TX)
University of Florida (Levin)
Explain to me how they, and other schools like them, are ranked above spots like Brooklyn Law, St. John's, Cardozo (the NY regionals) not to mention schools like Villanova and U.Conn? It makes no sense to me - I know it can't be all about geography, but compare LSAT/GPA stats, selectivity, bar passage, placement - I dunno, something seems screwy.
unnecessary comma, is right
10:43 --
Have you worked anywhere outside of NY/the Northeast? The country is mighty big.
I like the purse suggestion. When are handbag designers going to finally give up? Wilson should just start putting zippers on their footballs and charging $500 a pop.
10:43 - sounds like you shouldn't really care about the rankings since those schools are irrelevant (at least to you).
10:47 - In truth, I have a little but not much, and definitely do suffer from NYCentrism. But I have litigated in many "big" and "important" jurisdictions, and it is like these folks don't exist. It's always the top 15 or so schools, followed by folks from the regionals. This has been the case whether I'm in NY, CA, Chicago, D.C., or Boston.
I am not asking that those regionals be vaulted to the top of the rankings - just that they be ranked in context. Just because University of Alabama is the only law school in Alabama shouldn't play into its ranking - it should be measured up against all others. (Nothing against Alabama, or grads of UA Law, of course!)
10:43-
I think you need to publish your own law school rankings based on your "which lawyers I personally have met" methodology. You could make a fortune.
Wait. Emory doesn't teach you how to spell "law"?
This just proves if you're not in a T5, you...ain't...$hit!!!
NYU to under-roos!!!!!
Kudos to 10:16 and 10:25. You've earned a day off next Monday.
New York Law School is such a TTT, no wonder they're having problems like that.
10:55(1) - Spare me your snideness.
10:56(2) - This is NYU Law, not New York Law; you fail massively.
10:43 if you really need an explanation of "how they, and other schools like them, are ranked above spots like Brooklyn Law, St. John's, Cardozo (the NY regionals) not to mention schools like Villanova and U.Conn" then may I commend to you the definitive work on the U.S. News & World Report law school rankings, the U.S. New & Word Report law school rankings?
Funny how the law school treats this behavior as "inappropriate," "odd" and "suspicious." Had it happened in a non-law school building it'd just be another day on Washington Square Park.
Integrate, NYU Law!
10:43:
It sounds crazy, I know, but it turns out that there are actual cities outside of Washington, D.C., and New York City. And in some of these cities, they even have lawyers! And law schools! Crazy, right?!
Seriously--since you worked in the government and in top firms in New York, it's not that surprising that you met people from T14 law schools and regional New York schools. As is discussed on this site ad nauseum, beyond T14 schools, with the exception of those at the very top of their classes, most law school grads stay close to home to practice.
This certainly doesn't mean that these students go to "worse" schools than Brooklyn or Cardozo, or that the US News rankings methodology is somehow flawed because it doesn't automatically rank schools according to what percentage of graduates work for NYC BigLaw or the federal government.
does anybody really consider NYU to be better than Columbia? that ranking is absurd.
Whatever Yale Law still kicks the sh*t out of NYU and Columbia
I am a 1L at Michigan and have only met law students from Yale, Harvard, Michigan, Vanderbilt, and Wayne State. I find it hard to believe, based on this empirical evidence, that either NYU or Columbia are ranked above Wayne State, much less Chicago. Please, would some please expose this fraud?
11:11 - Please don't compare your yeehaw regional schools where students undoubtedly hunt unicorns to survive with schools like Columbia and NYU (and even Brooklyn and Cardozo). We'll give you Michigan and Chicago, but please, show some restraint.
IN UR LBRARY EXPOSING MAESELF
NYU stinks. It's absurd to think that this could somehow be as good as an ivy league school. what kind of nutjobs are preparing these rankings?
It was Loyola 2L, trying to show people his toilet resume.
New Rankings System:
Since I grew up in Chicago, went to college in California, went to law school in New York and now work for a top 50 firm in Texas...I need a rankings system that works for me...one called "ChicagCaliNewTex" Rankings...or we can call it 10:43 is a dumbass!
I've HAD IT with all these MOUTHERFUCKING YEEHAWS hunting all these MOUTHERFUCKING UNICORNS to survive!
Ummm, based on the looks of the girls in the NYU talent show youtube videos, they're lucky anyone is exposing themselves. Got ugly?
I've HAD IT with all these MOTHERFUCKERS FUCKING THEIR MOTHERS
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/04/get_nyu.php lol
10:43: I hear what you're saying. For such a statistically-driven rankings system, it does seem odd that schools that are markedly less difficult to get into are ranked considerably higher than the NYC regional schools.
Did they mention whether the naked fellow was mustachioed?
I've HAD IT with all these MOTHERFUCKERS FUCKING THEIR MOTHERS
Cumberland to Tier 1
Cumberland to Tier 1
I'm really enjoying the new guy who does the snakes on a plane thing. I actually think it's pretty funny. Keep it up!
11:37 needs to STFU.
I read your comment and while I agree with the message, it reminds me of those absolutely horrible AT&T ads.
You need something that will work in TexiCaliFlagAntonio? No, you need a kick in the teeth.
Columbia > NYU (4 life)
11:37 needs to STFU.
I read your comment and while I agree with the message, it reminds me of those absolutely horrible AT&T ads.
You need something that will work in TexiCaliFlagAntonio? No, you need a kick in the teeth.
stop blowing ivy league schools. anyone from nyu can get a job at the same top firms as anyone from yale and harvard.
plus you arent completely surrounded by all the super gunner overachiever virgins at yale and harvard.
What does TTT mean?
Please hit enter once after you right your stupid post.
Thanks,
Lat
11:08 - Yes. Much of Columbia's faculty.
Please hit enter once after you write your stupid post.
Thanks,
Lat
So I guess there are some downsides to the village, just not many.
What are peoples thoughts on California getting another law school? I bet it will be ranked top 50 in less than 5 yrs and probably top 25 in under 10...that is how we roll in Cali. Thanks for your commentary May 2007 Graduate.
We are dumber for reading.
What are peoples thoughts on California getting another law school? I bet it will be ranked top 50 in less than 5 yrs and probably top 25 in under 10...that is how we roll in Cali. Thanks for your commentary May 2007 Graduate.
We are dumber for reading.
http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1194429834437
As an NYU 3L I second 11:39
Why do I doubt that Lat would double post in a post about double posting?
GET IT WRITE
10:43 has a point. Even if his/her methodology is a little subjective, I think the distribution of a law school's student body across large law firms, government agencies, legislative bodies, courts, etc., is incredibly important, as well as the effectiveness of the alumni network. All this has a tremendous bearing on the future success of a particular law school's graduates.
Thus, distributions and alumni networks are rather significant when comparing more highly ranked schools that are weak in these categories with lesser ranked schools that are substantially stronger.
To 11:43 and 12:10--
I know this may be hard for you, but can people on this forum at least try to show a little maturity and respect, and not make unneccessary, stupid, cruel and sexist comments about people's appearances? It baffles me how you managed to graduate from college and get into law school with your third grade sense of humor.
Grover Cleveland was NOT a sexist!! HOW DARE you speak of a former president this way...
10:43 - As a UT-Austin grad at a v5 New York firm - its nice to meet you. Now shut the f___ up. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
Columbia : DPW :: NYU : Skadden
gloating is rather tactless.
nyu > columbia, no contest.
12:41 - Thank you.
Of course, most, if not all, people who could get into a school like UT could get a full ride to a place like Cardozo or Brooklyn and into Fordham rather easily.
And a lot of people who would choose Brooklyn over UT want to be in NYC hence the relatively small number of people in NYC come from TX. But to say that UT should be lower ranked because of this self selection, well that's just plain retarded.
"I have never met anyone from Yale in my 8 years at Cadwalader whereas we have a large contingent of UConn students. So why should UConn be ranked LOWER than Yale? What's the deal!?!"
The glad-handing man was looking for the South New York Upstairs Law College but instead found New York Law School by mistake.
The reason you never meet any Yalies is that they're too busy running for congress to practice law.
1:11: "Rather easily" is an overstatement, particularly with respect to Fordham.
Concerning the comments about never having met anyone from the list of law schools, it might surprise some people here that flyover country isn't a bad place to live. Not everyone wants to live in the great coastal cities. Some prefer the mundane but happier cities in the Midwest.
As someone I know once said about arrogant New Yorkers who thus don't live in places like Ohio: "Their disdain is our salvation."
How many NYU grads get Wachtell offers? 43 of Wachtell's lawyers graduated from Columbia. Only 28 went to NYU including the surviving name partners. Hiring recently is even more skewed towards Columbia. When a law firm hires more from a school in a region despite having all its name partners graduate from the competing school, it is reasonable to conclude that the school (Columbia) has a better real-world reputation.
1:52, you're right, and self-selection has nothing to do with it at all.
At UVA, they just opened a brand new room in our library with a coffee bar, Herman Miller barstool-chairs and cafe style modern deco. It's rather pimp.
1216:
that post about double posting is obviously not from lat.
that post was obviously posted twice on purpose.
2:17,
I think it is you who need to get a clue. If you read 12:16's post, he/she indicates that Lat didn't author the post about double posting. The poster further lampoons the would-be-Lat by yelling and intentionally misspelling "get it write." Dude, you really need to chill out.
10:16 to hilarious!
10:43 to d-baggery!
10:16 to hilarious!
10:43 to d-baggery!
10:43
We'll contact US News right away and tell them about your new category for rankings--whether or not some nobody associate has met people from certain law schools. I know you're busy making lateral moves, but now that you're such an important part of the rankings, you should expect plenty of networking opportunities when deans from all over the country send their graduates by your office to say hello.
1:52
Perhaps NYU grads are less eager to work at Wacthell than Columbia grads. (I certainly had no desire to do that).
SJU '04 grad. We had the same problem in our law library in 2002 or 2003. Guy fitting the same description would sneak into library, stare at girl, whip it out and pound away while laughing. He was caught en flagrante and chased off campus, but he got away. Sounds like the same guy. Wonder why he likes law libraries.
Hey what happened to the closet racists? They usually come out in droves if race is mentioned in a post... but then again... I don't actually recall anyone doing this when a white person was the subject of the post...
On another note, there should be a story on all the weird people that come into the Berkeley library (they don't have to sneak). Still not sure if there is any truth to the rumor a few years back that a homeless guy was living in the library and was discovered when the floor fell through (with him on it) and he landed on the main library floor. And then of course, there is the legend of Uncle Zeb and the golden outline...
SJU '04 grad. We had the same problem in our law library in 2002 or 2003. Guy fitting the same description would sneak into library, stare at girl, whip it out and pound away while laughing. He was caught en flagrante and chased off campus, but he got away. Sounds like the same guy. Wonder why he likes law libraries.
" a man in his 40's"
I bet it was a fucking non-trad.
12:51 - that's a horrible (which is to say, completely inaccurate) analogy.
i assume you're talking about the relative attractiveness of the two student bodies - in which case, while i would agree nyu's isn't the greatest, it's better than columbia's. in large numbers, smart tends to = not hot.
i assume you are NOT talking about some sort of "columbia + dpw = friendlier/nicer/less corporate/more human than nyu + skadden" analogy, because that would not only be untrue, it would in fact be the opposite of true.
4:12 - STFU
When I was a first year at NYU there was a homeless guy in the back row sleeping with his head on the desk when we all got to crim. law one morning. No one wanted to wake him up or ask him to move. He woke up about 10 minutes into class and raised his hand to make a comment about 10 minutes after that... the professor actually called on him! It was soon apparent that he wasn't a first year...
11:01 is underrated.
708 - suck my c*ck.
the students at cls are in fact interchangeable with those at nyu - that is why we all met each other at admitted students day
just another pleasant CLSer
"Hey what happened to the closet racists? They usually come out in droves if race is mentioned in a post... but then again... I don't actually recall anyone doing this when a white person was the subject of the post... "
Touche!
fyi, the "mysterious smell" last year was a septic leak in the bathroom.
I can't believe nobody mentioned that this memo was entitled "VD Safety Memo.pdf"
Good job, Amy Chu.