Why are minority groups opposing the ABA thing?

Please see the below links -- more clips of the "lawyer of the day":

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23166743

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What does TTT stand for?

Read the first comment, Pasadena Ritz.

"Tabber" is his real name, eh?

Minority groups are opposing it, I assume, b/c fewer minority students pass the bar on their first try than white students.

Nice sentence there, 4:28.

To 4:28, why don't you go check out the schools that would be impacted by the new (proposed) rules? They are terrible and are preying on the weak. I find TTT somewhat offensive for the decent schools that are often insulted on here and it's true that not everyone needs to get biglaw to have self-worth. But the truly sorry schools that admit students who are in the bottom half of their college classes and on the LSAT are not producing graduates that should be practicing law in any capacity. There are of course few incentives to actually get rid of those schools since the market (after-the-fact) does a good job at filtering them out of reputable jobs. But maybe some protection is warranted when they publish employment rates that may be misleading, at least given the relatively lower sophistication of their target audience and the large amounts of money at stake.

I find it interesting that David Lat has the luxury of calling all the non-top schools third tier toilets (and by extension the professors who have JDs from Lat's favorite schools). Way to undermine thousands of students and staff in a matter of one blanket statement. This is the last time I am reading the blog and rest assured I will make sure many others don't read it also. That way you can maintain a very nice small "elite" readership.

I find it hilarious that elite graduates are spitting into the well from which they drink. Without those TTT grads doing doc review/mundane work in the trenches your current standard of living would be substantially lower. I would love to see Ivy League nerds with not an ounce of social intelligence being pushed into some of the roughest neighborhoods - so that they can actually see what life is like outside their insular trust fund communities.

There are an awful lot of people with serious inferiority complexes around here. (Or maybe it's trolling and I'm too much of an Ivy League, t10, biglaw nerd to catch on.)

And believe us, 2:35, we are happy to profit on the backs of our inferiors, but that doesn't mean we need to respect them.

Bye-bye, 2:30.

But for anyone else still reading:

1. I suspect that Lat's use of "TTT" is ironic (at least in part).

2. His use of "TTT" should be read in the context of the linked material: an article about law schools that could lose accreditation because they can't prepare their graduates for the bar.

A law school that can't get a decent percentage of its students to pass the bar deserves to be called some names.

It is completly understandable that Lat would use the term TTT.

A lot of normal people come on this site for news about the legal field, but this site is primarily aimed at social-reject, vindictive, tactless douchebags that use terms like "TTT" in their daily conversations and get their only pleasure in life from putting down other people.

So thus, Lat's use of TTT is a good marketing move.

2:48
You are tooting your horn a little too much.
I rather be reasonably book smart but have social skills than be a little trust fund nerd who wears diapers and works 80 hours a week. And don't try to pretend that most t14 lawyers have both packages. I have never in my life seen such a pack of socially inept nerds in my life from these schools - men who couldn't get a girlfriend if Roseanne Barr hit them on the face with a baseball bat. LOL

4:26- whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better. Now bag my groceries

I find it revealing that the article under TTT schools discusses your prototypical ivy league nerd - TABBER BENEDICT - WHO RESORTS TO FINDING A GIRL THROUGH A TAXI DRIVER. That is just too funny.

I think you all need to relax. As a graduate of a fairly good, public law school that is nonetheless a "TTT" by this board's standards, I understand that Lat's use of "TTT" is tongue-in-cheek. I do not believe that he means any disrespect by the use of this term or others like it, such as "state court judges are ghetto." (I am paraphrasing that last one from my memory; no time right now to cite-check, so I apologize if I am misquoting.) I think that when Lat makes such statements, they are a social commentary on the hierarchy that is inherent in our legal educational system and profession. The problem is, I suspect that when certain other readers adopt these witticisms for their own posts on this site, terms like "TTT" become not so much tongue-in-cheek but rather, shorthand for "I'm better than you are." And that is offensive. Equally offensive, however, are statements by us TTT grads, pigeonholing T14 law grads as trust fund bluebloods who have no social skills and are incompetent in the courtroom. I have friends and colleagues who are T14 grads, some from YLS, and I have to say that none of them fit that mold. The vast majority of T14 law grads went to the schools they did by virtue of their brains, hard work and mountains of student loan debt. It is insulting to suggest otherwise.

4:26,
Let me guess, you are spending your afternoon in the office reading an article by Posner. I bet your neck is all cramped up from being hunched over all day long. I would highly reccommend you go to a "how to attract the opposite gender" seminar so that you wont end up with a pimply cellulite-filled Biglaw femme. LOL

4:26 and 4:37 obviously haven't spent much time on Ivy League or T14 campuses. Their (his?) perception of the social skills of people who go to those schools is pretty far off the mark.

2:30 - "This is the last time I am reading the blog and rest assured I will make sure many others don't read it also. "

What kind of weak whimper of a threat is that?

"I'm never shopping here again, and I'm going to tell all my friends! And, uh, I have a lot of friends, a whole lot! This store is going to go out of business, and you'll be sorry! They'll all be sorry!!!"

4:48

I have spent plenty of time surrounded by Ivy League legal nerds (yes the whole assortment - from the 25 year old virgins, the guys that wear a bowtie, the Roseanne Barr lookalikes who have to compensate for their lack of femininity). Do I have to physically go to the campuses in order to satisfy you? Which is sort of ironic since you are judging students of other schools without having gone to their campuses, either.

4:48; of course you weirdos are going to think that you are normal. Just because you can speak a whole sentence without tripping over your words and make corny jokes, doesn't mean that real people will want to hang out with you.

4:58: I'm not trying to "out" you, but to the extent that you can say, where did you go to college? Law school? What do you do now?

Really, your perception is way off. It's kind of amusing. In fact, I've found that there are typically significantly more "nerds" in pretty-good-but-not-great schools than the Ivy League.

I resent these comments.

5:12
What a load of crap. Yes the nerds are in the pretty-good-but-not-great schools - whatever that is supposed to mean...

Sigh...

How could anyone take offense from a comment by a guy who has to hang his law degree over his readers' heads because he--with all his ivy league education--runs a tabloid website??? Clearly he with all that primo education and experience could be doing something better for this world. What a joke.

Lat has a history of making insensitive comments. Just ignore. In fact one can say with a fair degree of certainty that someone who makes such homophobic remarks and engages in tabloid gossip over law firms is probably deep into the closet.

lat is out of the closet, and has been for sometime.

people need to calm down

i think it is pretty absurd when you feel the need to announce to everyone that you are so offended you are never going to read the blog again... seriously?

This was a test and only a test. Everyone who posted a negative comment will receive a month's supply of Happy Meds within the week. A nurse will be available for those who have forgotten how to take medication.

By the way, what do your parents think of your career, Lat?

TTT grads:

Grow some thicker skin

Love,
The T14

I'll settle this. I started at what this site would consider a TTT and transfered to a t5 Ivy. The students at the latter school had infinitely better social skills. In fact, they were just better at life.

I rather be a janitor and straight than a biglaw lawyer and gay. In fact I would prefer being a homeless person and straight over that.

I also went to a TTT for first year (well, not really TTT, but ranked around 20-25) before transferring to a t5 Ivy. The people I'm now around are much more socially adept, and for the most part, nice people.

2:10--glad that worked out for you. I'm sure the gays are pleased that you are straight also.

Sigh...

4:01
You seriously need some drug counseling if you wasted all that time writing such a dumb paragraph.

I wish I were gay. Maybe then people would stop giving me shit about not caring about sports, being sensitive, and occasionally sucking off another guy or two.

4:01: Touche. Your reasoned and measured response has persuaded me. I'm sure you'll go far.

To 4:28 - getting a high LSAT score = privileged? Way to rationalize your failure.

I think TTT sounds funny, and shiTTTy schools should be closed. They're flooding the market with unemployable, stupid lawyers.

Getting biglaw = trust fund nerds? Yah, all the large firms are looking for size of trust fund accounts on resumes.

You TTTs get paid shittitiously because you're stupid. Face this and move on.

7:33
Right because getting the opportunity to get into the right schools, get top preparation for testing, etc.... - has nothing to do with social class and finances. And whether you are a nerd or not has nothing to do with your resume...
Hehe - keep on telling that to yourself.

5:10 and 5:38, dat's rite!!!!! I had da secks wid yore gurlfrenz!!!!! Bolfa dem at da saym tyme!!!!!! 5:10, furst we did da drugs. 5:38, den I went reellly reeellly far wid yores (iff yoo no wat i meeeeeeen). awl becuz i drive a sports car (becaws i don't haf no IV leeg stoodent lowns to pay awf). an while yooo wuz in yore fanseee LSAT class, i wuz getting wid yo mommas. XOXOXO, TTT GRAD.
p.s.-- I make more money than you.

8:45
To do list:
1. Call mental institution
2. IF denied to mental institution go get hospitalized in ER room
3. Stop taking heroin

8:45
To do list:
1. Call mental institution
2. IF denied to mental institution go get hospitalized in ER room
3. Stop taking heroin

12:05 (and 12:06 - did you post it twice for emphasis?) - Not even clever enough for my Cookie Monster response. Cheers, TTT Grad.

No, it was more than clever enough for your "Cookie Monster" response. When you lowered the bar, it became pretty easy to be clever enough.

8:45: How many Ivy League schools did you turn down to attend your TTT? For the record, my guess is zero.

9:54, whatever. 10:19, you are absolutely right, the answer is zero. I did not even bother to apply to any Ivy League schools. Your point?

TTT grad, I think you know my point. Any T14 grad would, at least.

The obvious next question (that you didn't preempt, so I assume I know the answer) is, Why didn't you apply to any?

11:54, becuz mee two DUM, dats da antser!!! Or, at least that's what you assume of any non-T14 law grad. And in my case, you may be right. I had a bit too much fun at my overpriced, "T10" liberal arts college and did not spend enough time in class or hitting the books. I paid for it years later when I decided that law school might be a good thing. I eschewed the Ivy League apps, but I did apply to a number of T50 (or "TTT", as you would call them) schools and they were nice enough to accept me, with scholarships attached. I entered law school with the intent to transfer because I was a bit too obsessed with the name and the numbers (as you are now). My so-called TTT quickly changed my mind; I developed close relationships with classmates and professors, and learned as much from them as I could have learned anywhere else. So, I stuck around, saved some cash, graduated in the top 10% without killing myself in the process, and now I have a decent job that I enjoy and a nice salary to go along with it. Do I wish I had gone to a T14 school? Sometimes. When I read the drivel that folks like you post on this board, it reminds me that there will always be snobs in thos world who will judge you by the name on your diploma (or by the car that you drive, or the clothes that you wear, or where you vacation, etc. etc. etc.). Life would be much easier if I had, like you, worked a little bit harder when I was younger to go a school with a fancier name. But you know what? When I see the sort of degrading and berating quips that you and others post on this site, and when I see you (or those like you) complaining about how $150k is insufficient to justify your meager existence, I realize that impressive names and numbers could never rid me of the anxieties and neuroticisms that we all must experience as hard-working, 21st Century Americans. You have to find satisfaction within yourself and in your accomplishments. If those accomplishments include a degree from an Ivy League law school, more power to you. I am not knocking Ivy League law grads; I am impressed by the intelligence and hard work that it takes (for most people) to get there. But if you need to step beyond those accomplishments to put others down because they did not go to as well known a school as you did (or do not drive an expensive car, do not take lavish vacations, do not work for a prestigious law firm, etc.), then perhaps you need to reexamine your insecurities. Go for a walk, take a cooking class, get your ass into therapy, anything. Maybe then you will realize that you do not need to belittle others, behind the computer screen of anonymity, to feel better about yourself.

I have perhaps shared more than I should have, and have wasted a valuable 0.2 of an hour that I could have been billing. But you are correct, this was much more productive than my Cookie Monster imitation (which just doesn't play through on the computer). I am finished -- go ahead, pick apart my sentences, thoughts and verbiage and say your worst.

Best,
TTT Grad

No need to tear you apart. My initial point (a few posts upthread), before I got sidetracked attacking you, was only that people who attend top schools don't have poor social skills. I was trying to argue against an unwarranted attack on people at good schools. I don't have any problem with people from "TTT" schools (I know many are very accomplished), but when they belittle people at "better" schools, that's an easy arrow to fall back on. I think we're on the same page on the big issues. No need to continue the attacks.

11:54 / 12:51 - Amen brother! As the great Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?" This sort of harmony makes me feel all mushy inside. Okay, all kidding aside -- since I am apparently not very funny -- I agree that it is unfair for anyone to suggest that T14 grads are nerds with no social skills (see my post from 2/16, 4:40pm, before I started acting like Cookie Monster). Some of my favorite people went to HYS; and one of my closest friends went to Columbia Law, and he is a prince among men (and a damn good lawyer to boot). Enough gushing, I really need to bill.

Being super smart, well bred and intelligent are great and big name schools produce lawyers with high marks in these areas. But at the end of the day (after being junior assoc doing shit at Biglaw) is about judgment and that you cannot teach. The TTT's who are successful usually have the superior common sense and judgment.

TTT - You are all dorks!
T14 - You are all dumb!

You are all a bunch of Douche Bags.

Good Day.

9:43: You use Capital LetTerS when it'S noT appropriatE. Why?