Oh yea, right, like the t14 grad in the $5000 suit cares about the rankings released by US News, where the employees don't even make that in a month. COME ON!!

I am actually second!!!

Every law school is a unique and special snowflake. Some snowflakes fall in the sewer.

I would like to know why both of NYU's reputation ranks in the rankings have not gone up in the past 10 years. Given that NYU is a much better school now than it was in the 1960's or 70's, you would think that as academics and practitioners get younger their score would rise. Instead, a couple of times it has gone down and it has never been at the level of Chicago despite the GPA and LSAT scores of the entering class at NYU consistently being higher than Chicago's.

I got my offer rescinded today from a V10 firm. The letter said that, while they were impressed with me, they had given me the offer when NYU was #4 in the rankings. Due to changed circumstances, they said, namely moving to #5, they could no longer justify hiring me. Sigh.

Leiter better take advantage of this to put up or shut up.

Why not write to the ABA...or better yet cut and paste a horn book definition of FRAUD IN THE INDUCEMENT and ask why they are building more law schools while recent grads from good schools cannot find work and many who are employed are unhappy and continue only because they are saddled with debt. Some people want to be lawyers...thats great...but so many do it just for the hell of it leading to things like USNWR ridiculous rankings. HINT why not see how lawyers from schools react to the "real world"...I know several brilliant Harvard and Yale lawyers...they are all smarter and more insightful than I could ever hope to be...where did I meet them...at law school because none of them could cut it as attorneys or face the liberal reality of making $50k less in public service as opposed to a teaching position.

Taxprof has nothing on this: http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

It's sortable, fools!

11:44 certainly fits the "rambling screed" requirement of writing to the ABA.

When you are in the the trunk of a nondescript sedan with your arms and legs tied because you "know too much" about Company X, do you think the guy with no neck driving you to the river cares where your law school was ranked?

My question to Mr. Morse:

"Did John Yoo, or anyone employing John Yoo, justify the torture of US News' employees to secure Boalt's ascension in the rankings?"

All this whining about the rankings is stupid. Unless USNWR wants to invent a new math system that can put 30 schools in the top 5 and 300 in the top ten, somebody is going to be unhappy about the rankings.

To 11:38 - because every other school is "much better now than it was in the 60's or 70's." [sic] Think much?

To 11:43 - Leiter already has "put up." See http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/ and scroll down to the first story on March 31, 2008.

I think the rankings would be much more helpful if they exhibited more localized information. For example, continue ranking the tier 1 schools nationally and then rank other schools by their relevant jurisdictions. This would give a more realistic view of a schools presence in local markets while not eliminating the national analysis.

I wouldn't blame the rankings so much as the law schools themselves. In their websites or their recruiting materials, the lower regarded schools still aren't upfront about the fact that a lot of their graduates are never going to find decent jobs, ever, end of story. Yeah, they can be solos making $30,000 a year while paying back $100,000 in student loans. With federal loans easily available, and schools needing to feed their moloch like machine, the saturation of the profession will continue, to its sad detriment.

I propose a new system for ranking law schools: according to frequency of white guys with asian girls. That would have helped me decide more than the meaningless U.S. News rankings.

- King of WGWAG

Stetson is clearly tier 2, not tier 3. US News needs to be taken to the ringer on that screw up.

WGWAG never gets old.

# 4 thing I learned from watching porn--asian men do not exist.

Stetson troll -

It doesn't matter if Stetson is #100 or #120.

TTT = TTT

1:02 - Then where do asian girls come from?

Is someone asking where Stetson is ranked? Here's a better question: where is Stetson?

further proof of how arbitrary the rankings are

www.consusrankings.com

Whoever didn't attend ND because it went from 22 to 28 is an idiot.

Why does everyone hate Stetson so much? What did Stetson ever do to you?

They are ranked #1 in advocacy and #6 in legal writing, also known as the two most important things lawyers do. How is it even possible to have a school so esteemed for teaching the most practical lawyering skills ranked 100?

I guess having a bunch of professors who have never seen the real world teach a bunch of entitled douches about "theory" and other bullshit is what garners the best results in these rankings.

Maybe that is why so many people have issues with Stetson, they get spanked around courtrooms and boardrooms by Stetson grads. Your clients must hate that.

When the name of your law school is better associated with a Cowboy hat or a Walgreens cologne than a law school = TTT

"Maybe that is why so many people have issues with Stetson, they get spanked around courtrooms and boardrooms by Stetson grads. Your clients must hate that."
OMG this happens, like, every day to me!

Nobody hates Stetson - you have to be relevant to be hated. Nobody gives a rat's ass about Stetson. It's just another anonymous TTT.

Stetson law grads make the best paralegals. So they have that going for them.

1:46,

Good schools take for granted that their students can speak and write. It also has something to do with the difference in education for students who actually have a realistic possibility of crafting laws and regulations - they kinda need to understand the *theory*.

but everyone hates louisville. TTT if there ever was one

Lat, can you please create a law students sub-board or something like that on ATL? I'm sure your sophisticated readers would appreciate any effort to divert the XOXO readers to a different board.

i attended stetson last year as a first year. wisely, i transferred to U of F. i was amazed though at the general arrogance and pompousness of the student body and administration there.

half of the students there thought that they were going to be millionaires just by graduating law school, despite the fact that they spent more time worrying about their flag football games than studying for contracts.

What's a "U of F?"

I you spend more time studying for contracts than you do with fun/interesting things, then you need to get out more. Are you that nerd who proposed to his girlfriend via patent application? Nerd!!

I go to Texas and I like Leiter's enthusiasm for his blogging, but let's be honest -- the guy will find a way to rank anything so that UT is in the top 12.

I'm gonna put it out there that I CURRENTLY attend Stetson and will tell you it's not that great of a place. The Stetson troll above is probably one of the admins at the school trying to save the school's rep. on every law school discussion site on the web. As someone who attends this law school I think my opinion should be taken to heart. Choosing Stetson is honestly the worst decision I ever made so if you are thinking about attending DON'T. Oh and to give a bit more validity to my statement (Stetson troll is probably watching/ready to rebute my comment) I am well above the top half of the class (can't give away too many details) so I'm not bitter or anything, I just think people need to cut the bullshit, especially Stetson, and put the facts out there. Please if you are considering attending here, RUN don't walk away from that consideration.

I'm gonna put it out there that I CURRENTLY attend Stetson and will tell you it's not that great of a place. The Stetson troll above is probably one of the admins at the school trying to save the school's rep. on every law school discussion site on the web. As someone who attends this law school I think my opinion should be taken to heart. Choosing Stetson is honestly the worst decision I ever made so if you are thinking about attending DON'T. Oh and to give a bit more validity to my statement (Stetson troll is probably watching/ready to rebute my comment) I am well above the top half of the class (can't give away too many details) so I'm not bitter or anything, I just think people need to cut the bullshit, especially Stetson, and put the facts out there. Please if you are considering attending here, RUN don't walk away from that consideration.