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Or Another Update: Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids (and Their Internet) Alone!

internet in the classroom.jpgThe National Law Journal and the Wall Street Journal Law Blog reported this week on the University of Chicago Law School cutting off internet access in the classroom. For more background on this story, check out our posts from March 25 and March 26. Ahem. Three weeks ago.

We did a poll way back in March. Over 63% of the ATL voters favor internet access in the classroom. These folks won’t be happy about this tidbit from the National Law Journal:

[Chicago Law School Dean Saul Levmore] has received inquiries from about 10 other law schools interested in possibly following suit on the move, he said.

The Conglomerate Blog makes a good point:

[I] do believe that shutting down the wireless signal is a short-term fix, at best. I have become convinced that the problems accompanying laptops in the classroom are behavioral, not technological.

So, University of Chicago students, how’s it going? Have you found other means of distraction— doodling, passing notes, daydreaming? Hope you didn’t miss our tattoo in exchange for legal services post this morning.

University of Chicago Law School blocking access to Net in classrooms [National Law Journal]
Internet Access in the Classroom? Not at Chicago Law [WSJ Law Blog]
Internet in the Classroom [Conglomerate Blog]

Earlier: Update: Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids (and Their Internet) Alone!
Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids (and Their Internet) Alone!

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:37 PM

I would be interested in seeing that list of 10 other schools "interested in possibly following suit"

2 Posted by Murray Hewitt | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:41 PM

Based on the number of posts, class seems more interesting these days . . . .

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:45 PM

Solution: Don't go to class. They're worthless anyways.

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:49 PM

There's a fundamental problem with Law School's banning laptops - it's insanely condescending. The average age in law school is 26 i.e. adults. You don't get to treat adults like children. Step 1: no laptops. Step 2: mandatory nap time?

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:51 PM

They blocked our internet in class here at Michigan Law for a while. Then they realized we were all getting around the block and gave up. I'm sure the Chicago students will figure away around it like we did.

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:55 PM

My school, Harvard, actually hired Chuck Norris to physically intercept and block all of the wireless waves carrying the internets to and fro. He mainly uses his steel-toed cowboy boots to block them, but sometimes he has to throw his 20-gallon hat to block some.

Unfortunately, there is no "way around it."

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:56 PM

Kash -- Will you marry me?

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 2:57 PM

what happened to SEN?

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:03 PM

co-sign 2:49 but would add that a corrolary to treating law students like children is the tendency of universities to forget that law students are CUSTOMERS. (More so at lower ranked schools where, trust me, there is no prestige to being there. It is more like going to PennCo. Tech. or ITT Tech. - it is purely vocational.)

That's right. If you want to read your email during class, for $40,000/year you have the right.

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:06 PM

Bring back SEN!!!

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:07 PM

I like the ban. I simply didn't have the willpower to not read ATL while I was in class. Thank u Dr. Levmore!

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:11 PM

I formerly read the news in class so I'm significantly less well versed in world happens, but people pay more attention in class, which is good when people are randomly called on. I still think the way it was implemented was condescending (in the past there was an isolated incident in which a prof asked the class to vote on laptops and decided to ban them, and that's fine with me) but having internet-less classrooms in and of itself is fine.

- UChi!L

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:12 PM

I formerly read the news in class so I'm significantly less well versed in world happens, but people pay more attention in class, which is good when people are randomly called on. I still think the way it was implemented was condescending (in the past there was an isolated incident in which a prof asked the class to vote on laptops and decided to ban them, and that's fine with me) but having internet-less classrooms in and of itself is fine.

- UChi!L

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:14 PM

I think it's a good idea. I always get really distracted when I see people surfing the internet in the rows in front of me.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:15 PM

My comment didn't appear to post last time, so I will post it again: I get really distracted by people's laptops, so I think the ban is a good idea.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:16 PM

Comment still doesn't appear to be posting. Here's hoping third time is a charm:

People surfing the internet on their laptops is distracting, so I personally like the ban.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:17 PM

Jeez Louise. What's wrong? Everyone's comment except mine (pointing out the distracting nature of laptops in the front rows) appears to be posting. What gives?

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:17 PM

Wow! It's been almost three days since Kash last put a picture of her incredibly average face in a post. And no, I'm not some bitter shrew. Just a guy who can name at least eight better looking chicks who work on my floor, let alone the multitude I could find if I walked out onto Sixth Ave. 2:56, I'm talkin' to you. Get some taste and stop embarrassing yourself.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:17 PM

MODERATORS: I'm not able to post my comments. Something appears to be wrong with the site. Please advise/correct.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:18 PM

Cornell has been doing this for years.

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:18 PM

I graduated not too long ago (2005), and my class managed to get through three years of law school with no wireless whatsoever in the whole school. If you can't make it through 50 minutes of lecture without the internet, how will you ever fake attention on a four hour conference call in the partner's office?

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:19 PM

If you are easily distracted by shiny objects (i.e. the laptop screen in front of you), law school is not the place for you.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:20 PM

MODERATORS: My comments are appearing multiple times but I am unable to see them. Something appears to be wrong with my web browser. Please advise/correct.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:27 PM

Lat, would you please fix Bradley's web browser?

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:29 PM

Bradley Blair - I hope that is your real name and one day a prospective employer googles your name and finds this page.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:30 PM

My bad. Apparently, there is a short delay between submitting your comment and having it post to the site. Maybe there should be a little disclaimer about that on the site to avoid future misunderstandings.

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:30 PM

A Chuck Norris comment, 2 years too late! Hilarious! Moderators, post this ish for me since it obviously won't actually post. Ya dig?

--Bradley Blair, 1L

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:32 PM

bradley blair = troll

29 Posted by Murray Hewitt | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:33 PM

Bradley - Unfortunately, I suspect even the moderators have stopped reading the site. Perhaps you should try posting on the WSJ blog.

Cheers,
Murray

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:35 PM

Kash = troll

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:35 PM

Hey Bradley Blair....Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:37 PM

Kash if you go out on a date with me, you can write a post about it.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:39 PM

Bottom line: laptops have altered the learning environment. Not only is the internet a huge distraction, but we are no longer engaged with the professor. It's hard to maintain eye contact when there are huge screens blocking everyone's face!


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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:41 PM

Bradley Blair must go to UPenn St. What a clown.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:43 PM

I'm pretty sure the media recently reported that George W. Bush uses the pen-name "Bradley Blair" when he posts to blogs.

36 Posted by Pacific Reporter | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:53 PM

Dear Bradley Blair, 1L,
Please note that directly above the box were you write your comment, there is a disclaimer reading: "After submitting a comment it may take several minutes to appear. Please only submit your comment once."
You are on your way to becoming a fine lawyer.

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37 Posted by dgulbran | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 3:54 PM

Okay, if you cannot check your e-mail, check game scores, *and* pay attention in class, you don't have the skills to sit through a meeting with partners in Biglaw.

And if you get *distracted* by other people checking their e-mail while you're trying to follow a discussion, you really will *never* make it in Biglaw.

Chicago's only hurting their students by not teaching them real world skills. Instead of turning *off* Internet access, they should pay undergrads to sit in classes, click away on Blackberries, and look up occasionally and say, "I'm sorry, could we go back to the last point."

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:00 PM

If I decide to browse ATL in class, it's either because I have an extremely low opinion of that particular class, or because I have a less low opinion of a particular ATL article.

I don't need, and I don't want a law school to force study habits on me.

If my poor study habits result in disrupting class, lower my grade. If they don't, what business does a law school have in telling me how to learn?


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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:04 PM

We've never had internet in the classrooms at Cornell and it really isn't that big a deal. People find numerous other ways of procrastinating. DVDs w/ subtitles, Solitaire, Snood spring to mind.

Never fear ATL readers, if you're truly dedicated to wasting time, you'll find a way!

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:07 PM

What are the "T14" schools doing about this? We haven't heard from you. And by T14, I mean schools ranked 11-14 whose students/grads like to make themselves feel better by using the term T14 because they think people who went to top 10 schools will be tricked into believing they are prestigious rather than safety schools. That means you, Duke, Northwestern, GULC and UPenn St.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:09 PM

Bradley Blair just made my day. What an idiot.

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:09 PM

now i play yahoo games in class. you tell me if that's less distracting than shopping or reading the news.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:27 PM

Is Bradley Blair, 1L the new Loyola2L?

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:29 PM

hey 4:07, NU and UPenn are top 10 schools, so should we just talk about top 5, or is that so Columbia and NYU students feel their school's are as prestigious as Y,H, or S?

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:36 PM

MOAR KASH PICS!

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:36 PM

429- you make a good point. yes, it should just be top 3. but it is still amazing that the T14 make such a big deal out of it.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:49 PM

it's pretty ironic that professors in a field so decidedly unobsessed with the quality of pedagogy in general harp on such a trivial detail as whether or not students are browsing the internet during class. yeah, i browse the internet during class, but guess what, our generation browses the internet ALL THE TIME. i could browse the internet while in the physical act of love with my wife and perform the task ably, with due diligence and respect, all the while keeping up with the vital happenings of the 2008 election cycle in an efficient and timely fashion. if it's not the internet, professors hate laptops because they're convinced students are "taking notes wrong." jesus fucking christ on a rubber crutch i couldn't think of anything more patronizing.

i don't think it's a particularly bad thing that professors are newly incentivized to make class more interesting in light of obvious distractions during class. this is professional school after all; it's not exactly as if not paying attention to every word they say is tantamount to truancy.

--hys/v3 poster, 3.8gpa

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 4:55 PM

I used to think one of Levmore's justifications for the ban, that internet browsing was "parasitic" (ie that one person's browsing motivates another person to browse) was silly.

But last week I noticed that all the windows users in front of me were playing solitaire... and then one switched to minesweeper, within a few minutes, all the solitaire players were now playing minesweeper!

--Chicago 2L

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 5:26 PM

motherfuckers at NYU better not do this
LEAVE INTERNET ALONE!!1!!one!

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 5:43 PM

Bradley Blair, I imagine you find many things distracting.

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 6:00 PM

KASH -- See you tonight!

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 6:11 PM

4:29
There is no such thing as Top 3, that's just a metric used by disgruntled students in Harvard and Stanford to gain cachet by associating themselves with Yale.

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 6:40 PM

There is no such thing as a Top 1, that's just a metric used by disgruntled students at Yale to compensate for not doing something more meaningful with their lives.

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:17 PM

Hey Bradley Blair you are an idiot for not waiting for your message to post. Have some patience.

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:17 PM

Hey Bradley Blair you are an idiot for not waiting for your message to post. Have some patience.

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:19 PM

Hey Bradley Blair you are an idiot for not waiting for your message to post. Have some patience.

Well dammit, it's not working. Let's try this again.

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:19 PM

Well crap, the damn thing is not working. What kind of a two bit operation is this?

Hey Bradley Blair you are an idiot for not waiting for your message to post. Have some patience.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:20 PM

Finally this stupid thing works. ONce again:

Hey Bradley Blair you are an idiot for not waiting for your message to post. Have some patience.

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:21 PM

Guys in my high school used to hang out with bradley blair all the time. It was no big deal.

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 7:39 PM

Bradley Blair to Posting!

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 9:15 PM

I can't imagine going to law school without internet access....Doh! I did it in 1990. And no cellphone.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, April 18, 2008 10:28 PM

Since Levmore banned internet in class I have become awesome at Freecell and Hearts. Banning internet doesn't make a difference - those that don't want to pay attention will find other ways to distract themselves.

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:39 AM

"--hys/v3 poster, 3.8gpa"

A pretty lame way to end a comment.

64 Posted by BenMatlock | Permalink Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:10 PM

OMG 7:17-7:20 is the most hilarious thing I have seen on this site...ever. good job.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:05 PM

Bradley Blair to the short bus!

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:40 PM

Bradley Blair's comments crack me up. They're obviously posted by one of Bradley's classmates who must really, really hate him. Someone please tell me the story of how horrible this guy is that it would inspire other people to post in his name on the internets. God, I wish I had thought of that when I was in law school.

Also, Friday 3:18 p.m. -- if you graduated from Chicago in 2005, it sounds to me like you didn't attend class (which means you didn't have any classes with Lichtman, as he is fond of holding people back from graduating if they dare to hurt his feelings by skipping his *totally important* patent class). By the end of 2004 you could occasionally get wireless in Room IV, and in 2004-2005, all of the newly-renovated classrooms had wired and wireless internet access.

Levmore is a blight on the face of my formerly fine law school. Pay attention, Chicago. Douchebags like Levmore are why I don't donate money.

--Chicago 6L

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:45 AM

Chicago on its way to TTT territory... forcing students back to the stone age...

I think the problem is old, out of touch profs and administrators who can't comprehend how people multi-task while online. I mean - I am here on ATL AND studying for law school exams at the same time - no harm done :-)

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:54 AM

at BC they just make the wireless signal so crappy that half the classrooms don't get it anyways

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:37 PM

Some profs at NYU have banned laptops from their classes. That's even worse than not having wireless access.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, April 21, 2008 9:47 AM

Chicago 6L- totally agree. No money for UofC until Levmore is gone.

Plus, what happened to Chicago's "free flow of ideas" and the free market system? Seems like a dictatorship to me...

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:35 PM

UCLA got rid of internet after my 1L year (those were glorious times let me tell you). But, as someone else pointed out, we students have found ways to adapt. (Go Go Peggle!) What are they going to when everyone has an internet capable phone in a few years (months)? I just tether mine to my laptop and I'm back in business. Suck it Professor!

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