Minnesota Judge Doesn’t Need a ‘Sexpert’
Dr. Marty Klein is a sociologist and therapist who writes a blog on sex and some other stuff, called Sexual Intelligence. He was asked to testify in the trial of Dominic Jones, a University of Minnesota football star accused of rape, but the judge turned him away.
Jones was found guilty of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct earlier this month, but his defense attorney, Earl Gray, plans to appeal the verdict, and here’s why:
Hennepin County District Court Judge Marilyn Rosenbaum did not allow Gray to call a sexual behavior expert, or to present evidence that the woman had sex with three other players that night, or describe what Jones was told by his upstairs neighbor Alex Daniels or to call a sexual behavior expert.“The next time we try it, we will be able to give the jury a full picture of what happened that night,” Gray said.
Did the Star Tribune mean to repeat “call a sexual behavior expert” out of sheer disbelief, or was that a typo?
Apparently, Judge Rosenbaum pooh-poohed the whole sexpert field, and Dr. Klein is not happy about it. Here’s an excerpt from his blog:
Former University of Minnesota football player Dominic Jones is accused of sexually assaulting a woman by, among other things, ejaculating on her face while she was drunk.Despite eyewitness accounts that the woman asked to be “rained on,” the State says it must be rape because no sane, sober woman would actually consent to such a perversion.
Jones’ attorney requested I testify as an expert witness about the many ideas and practices regarding ejaculation and semen (and faces) that have developed over the centuries.
…[The judge] said even if I were an expert, such expertise wouldn’t be relevant to the case—that is, wouldn’t involve any special knowledge beyond what a typical jury member already knows.
In a single judicial gesture, Judge Rosenbaum dismissed an entire profession and its field of study.
We think Judge Rosenbaum was just acknowledging that we are all experts in the bedroom.
See Dr. Klein’s full rant after the jump.
Former Gophers player Jones acquitted of rape charge [Star-Tribune]
Minnesota Justice Paralyzed By Facial [Sexual Intelligence]
From Sexual Intelligence:
Former University of Minnesota football player Dominic Jones is accused of sexually assaulting a woman by, among other things, ejaculating on her face while she was drunk.Despite eyewitness accounts that the woman asked to be “rained on,” the State says it must be rape because no sane, sober woman would actually consent to such a perversion.
Jones’ attorney requested I testify as an expert witness about the many ideas and practices regarding ejaculation and semen (and faces) that have developed over the centuries. The Chief Judge of the District Court approved the expenses for me to fly out.
But the State prosecutor pulled a legal technicality and challenged my expertise, and so the trial judge held a phone hearing. She was told I’d written five books about sexuality, trained almost 100,000 doctors and psychologists in sexuality, and done sex therapy and marriage counseling for about 30,000 hours.
And she turned me down. I hadn’t written any books on “facials.” I hadn’t taken any courses on “facials.” I hadn’t done any research studies of “facials.” It’s all true. Of course, no one has.
Denying my sexological expertise because I haven’t done research on facials—that’s like saying an experienced architect isn’t an expert because none of the houses she’s designed have rose bushes in the front.
But the judge didn’t stop there. She said even if I were an expert, such expertise wouldn’t be relevant to the case—that is, wouldn’t involve any special knowledge beyond what a typical jury member already knows.
In a single judicial gesture, Judge Rosenbaum dismissed an entire profession and its field of study.
Sexperts just don’t get the respect they deserve.




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Ohhh. Kash...you a dirty girl.
Firsty for some loving are you?
I'm inclined to agree with Judge Rosenbaum. Everyone who has seen porn knows that all women wear high heels in bed and absolutely adore 'facials.' No need for an expert to point this out.
FYI: Judge Marilyn Rosenbaum is married to Judge James Rosenbaum, Chief Judge of the District of Minnesota.
The prosecutor sounds like a sheltered virgin. My gf loves it when I cum on her face. That said, the judge has a point that that knowledge probably isn't outside the realm of experience of the average juror-- as opposed to the average ADA.
Good god, the fact that Mr. Klein claims the title of doctor demeans us all.
Earl Gray?
The jury acquitted as to the top charges- they didn't need a expert ... As
Girls at my high school asked to "be rained on" all the time, it was no big deal.
Tenth?
Umm, who sez the prosecutor is a virgin? He has a job to do, which is to exclude any evidence the defendant wants to get admitted. Should he risk losing the case, just to prove to whomever may or may not be paying attention that he's not a prude? I would act like a prude if it wins me a trial; then I'd show off my skillz to inexperienced impressionable biglaw associate ladies, and have wild dirty sex with them.
Beyond that, off the top of my head, I can't see how such expert testimony would be relevant. The issues in the case are: 1) did the defendant come on the victim's face? and 2) did she consent to it? This "doctor" can't testify as to 1) because he wasn't there, and can't testify to 2) because he can't read minds, and was never told by the victim that she did consent. If she testifies at trial that she didn't consent, that's the direct evidence. Of course the defendant wants to show she's lying... but expert testimony as to the culture and history of facials does not speak to her credibility. Therefore it's not relevant, therefore it was properly excluded.
This a major case of sour grapes. Not to mention, professional blue balls.
What's more: this doctor is an idiot. He goes and blogs about it and basically advocates for the defendant in public. If they ever do win on appeal and the case is re-tried, the expert's credibility will be subject to a scathing attack for bias.
Nevertheless: his blog post is kind of amazing, especially the possible reasons he gives for enjoying facials:
"to give a partner a gift"
"semen is considered magical"
Genius!
I used to ejaculate on womens' face all the time at Dickinson School of Law, U Penn....or is that Penn State??....oh I give up
I thought "make it rain" in Ebonics meant "to shower with paper currency"
shows you how much I know.
as for our expert in facials, I think I'll consult with her in person for a one-on-one demonstration of the testimony she might provide at our next trial
Kash - good move going back to your bread and butter subject matter - sex. Pervert! I love you!
The better question isn't did she consent, it's who cares? She was either blowing the guy or banging the guy. So the consent to a facial is impied. Especially is she banged three other strangers that night.
I think the expert witnesses they need are women who enjoy facials. That would be relevant. This sexpert is not.
2:42 -
I think you could edit your post by removing "who enjoy facials" after "women." This is kind of redundant.
2:31,
So you're arguing that the prosecutor was taking a position in bad faith, arguing for a premise that he did not believe, just to win a case? This is your idea of good lawyering?
"He has a job to do, which is to exclude any evidence the defendant wants to get admitted."
LOL - riiiiiight. No ethical duties or anything. Good luck on the bar exam, Cardozo boy.
Explaining why they should like facials is one of the many challenges of allowing women to sit on juries. This is why I was against the Nineteenth Amendment.
2:31 - please sign with your bar number and state so that we may all preemptively report you for what will certainly be numerous furture ethical violations. I look forward to seeing you featured on these pages as a "Lawyer of the Day" sometime after you pass the bar, if you pass the bar...and the MPRE. MPRE will probably give you more trouble.
"In a single judicial gesture, Judge Rosenbaum dismissed an entire profession and its field of study."
Damn straight.
Kash is such a tart! I love it! Boobs and facials, I recommend that this post be thrown in every couple days just to liven this site up. Who cares about mergers, bonuses and firings when we have our very own Spice channel for lawyers!
Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes! Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes! Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes! Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes! Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes! Scalia is going to be on 60 Minutes!
The British are coming!
Over an hour and 20 posts??? This post, this time of year last year....100 posts in first hour. What is up? People have fled this site in droves.
Just getting rained on is so vanilla. She should've asked for chocolate rain.
Kash - you should post pics of you re-enacting the facts of each story you post on. start with this one please
getting to make up the word "sexological" to describe your "expertise" should be more than enough consolation for the lost opportunity to serve as an expert witness.
3:10: "People have fled this site in droves" for one reason-- because Lat and possee no longer blog about things that ACTUALLY MATTER TO REAL ATTORNEYS IN AN AILING ECONOMY.
For instance, lets start up a post on something that hits home for me and my contract attorney bretheren. How are contract attorneys to fare now that we are being laid off "in droves." I excelled (top quarter) at a great school (Loyola) and was on moot court. I applied, and was accepted, to work at a premier NYC contract attorney placement firm and have, in the past 2 years, had three fantastic placements (all V-20 firms)! Now that the economy tanks, these firms no longer need our services. LAT / KASH-- PLEASE WRITE ABOUT THIS.
2:41, I guess you've impliedly consented to me bashing your face in by being a total douche. I'm taking out a restraining order against you on behalf of all of my female family members.
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AMEN 3:16.
Hope ATL realizes that its readers care about one thing: the plight of the contract attorney!
Heartburn.
Nausea.
Upset stomach.
Indigestion.
Diareah.
Yaaaaaaaay -- Pepto Bismol !!!
P.s. A contract attorney gave me herpes.
2:42:
Greatest comment ever.
Guys at my high school used to get charged with sexual assault after facializing a woman begging them to "make it rain" all the time. It was no big deal.
3:16 -
We get it, your sister is a whore. Just relax with all the face bashing stuff, its not your fault. A restraining order won't help when your sister is enjoying bukkake from ten guys while shouting "make it rain boys!"
This goes back to the whole consent issue.
WHAT ABOUT CONTRACT ATTORNEYS???
3:36 -- No readers of ATL care about staff / contract attorneys. This blog caters to associates (and is frequented by trolls from law firm recruiting depts).
Thanks for your interest.
Uh-oh. My firm is looking to hire a rainmaker. Naughty firm.
Seriously, I thought anythign having to do with rain or showers referred to pee. I feel so sheltered.
Percentage of comments on this thread that try to be funny - 85%
Percentage of comments on this threat that ARE funny - 5%
You know who Dom Jones really f***ed?
The University of Minnesota football team. After losing him and Alex Daniels, they went on to have the worst defense in Division I-A on their way to losing 11 games this season.
3:16 - "I excelled (top quarter) at a great school (Loyola) "
There are two glaring errors in your quote here. Is this Loyola2L again?
3:48: No. I am not Loyola 2L. And, yes, I did excel (top quarter) at a great school (Loyola).
Idiot.
As a current student and incoming 1L at the U of M, I wouldn't call Dom Jones a "star"...
3:46- "Golden showers" and "watersports" refer to pee, but "make it rain" is a pretty clear call for to cum on the girl's face and/or tits. It's important to note these differences lest you create some awkward situations for yourself on a first date.
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
Plight of the CONTRACT ATTORNEY --- we're being laid off in droves !!!
are "contract attorneys" another name for transactional folks? everyone knows that transactions slow in bad economic times.
3:16 is either a troll or in major denial. My (non-prestegious) Biglaw firm won't even interview Loyola grads.
And "top quarter" just means you didn't screw up. You did not, in fact, "excell."
3:52, you're the idot. Loyola is a shit school. And top 25%? Give me a break. You did well (at a shit school), but you sure as hell didn't "excel."
You're entitled to your differeing opinion, but let me remind you that you are, in fact, a contract attorney. No one who "excells" at a "great" school would ever be in your "position."
4:11.
Let me clarify a few things.
* First, go screw yourself.
* Second, Loyola is a fantastic school.
* Third, I said "top quarter" which includes my precise rank, "top 19%."
* Fourth, I probably have screwed your wife, your sister, and/or your mother.
* Fifth, I MADE THE DECISION to become a contract attorney in a MAJOR MARKET (NYC) after I REJECTED associate offers at THREE LAW FIRMS (including WLRK)--- so, in case I wasn't clear, lick my nuts.
* Sixth, several attorneys serve as contract attorneys for the experience / variety of work / to work closely with partners / etc. --- many contract attorneys then are hired as staff attorneys or associates.
* Seventh, the three firms that I have served as a contract atty for are ALL V-20 (including one V-5).
Enough said.
They shouldn't even have bar exams. Only the top 20% of law school graduates should be granted general practice licenses. All other graduates should only be licensed to practice plaintiff contingecy cases, work for government agencies or be public defenders.
LOL only an idiot would say "Top 25%" when he or she was in fact in the "Top 20%." Plus, YOUR DECISION to become a CONTRACT ATTORNEY in a MAJOR MARKET for the AWESOME EXPERIENCE was clearly RETARDED.
LOL-- a top 25er at Loyola got an offer from Wachtell? You have a great imagination for such a pathetic loser; now get back to your doc review, you're not getting paid $15/hour to slack off on here!
Are there any contract attorneys in NYC looking for positions as day laborers?
I am looking to move from East 53rd to Tribeca. I need hired-help and will pay top dollar ($15/hour + bottled water) for your manual labor. If interested, please send me an email to unemployed_contract_attorneys@failed_the_bar.com
Thanks!
4:21.
Your credentials are just what my firm is looking for. Please send a resume, writing sample, and transcript to our recruiting department---mention that you heard about the position on AboveTheLaw.
Lisa A. Kalen
Director of Legal Recruiting
Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
Worldwide Plaza
825 Eighth Avenue
New York, N.Y. 10019-7475
ha, 4:21:
Again, even "top 19%" isn't "excelling." Top 5% definitely, top 10% maybe, but you merely did well.
It doesn't matter where you're a contract atty. You're a contract attorney. That's like saying "I'm a catering manager at a V-5 firm!"
I sincerely doubt you received an associate offer at WLRK. Everyone there from shitty schools (except for one) graduated long ago; almost all are partners. I can't imagine that WLRK would dip so low in the class ranking for a shool like Loyola. If you really did get an offer, then I guess their selection criteria aren't as elite as I thought.
I don't think you've screwed any of the above. The first two don't exist, and my mom wouldn't screw a contract attorney, especially not one from a shitty school.
hahaha - 4:21's misplaced arrogance gave me the first ATL laugh of the day. I certainly hope you're a troll; if not you are one deluded law-talking-dude.
I'm still giggling at your pointing out that your temp jobs are at V20s.
this hole discussion is meaningless. what do ya'll want for dinner?
- catering manager at a V-5 firm
What I've Learned on ATL:
(1) A contract attorney is being solicited, on a chatboard about "Sexperts," by Cravath (thanks, 4:31).
(2) 4:35's mother would never screw a contract attorney from Loyola.
(3) 4:26 is looking to hire a contract attorney to move him from the East 50s to Tribeca.
(4) "Contract attorneys" are mistaken by ATL readers as "transactional folks" (per 4:05).
(5) Many contract attorneys aspire to greener pastures... like gaining employ as "staff attorneys" at the firms that hire them (good goal, 4:21).
THANKS FOR THE LESSON.
3:16 / 3:52
The errors I was referring to, God you have to be the only one who didn't get it, were that top quarter is not excelling and Loyola is not a great school. But have fun with the staff attorney gig. I am sure that will work out well for you.
"hahaha - 4:21's misplaced arrogance gave me the first ATL laugh of the day. I certainly hope you're a troll; if not you are one deluded law-talking-dude."
I'm laughing at this too... gotta ask what you mean when you ask if 4:21 is "a troll".
stop all the hating on staff attorneys and contract attorenys.
A troll is someone who posts something (e.g., "I excelled (top quarter) at a great school (Loyola)") just to trigger a barrage of comments.
So 4:21 is either a troll (because even people who graduate in the top quarter at Loyola know that they didn't "excel" at a "great school") or totally delusional.
4:53, you're right. Staff attorneys and contract attorneys serve an important function. However, they are fungible, so the arrogant ones need a reality check.
4:49, it means he is just trolling for feedback by saying outrageous things - like some shitty Loyola grad actually got an offer from WLRK. Sure he did, right after bedding Ellen DeGeneres and taking his hands off me lucky charms.
i am a contract attorney at a v5 firm. i graduated in the top 1/4% of my top 3 law school and rejected offers to be the solicitor general.
Thanks, 5:03.
4:21 seems to be an idiot rather than a troll. The commenter throws in "I had sex with your mother / wife / sister" comments in the same post that he is claiming to have rejected an offer from Wachtell to live the dream of temping in NYC. Now, he is an idiot for several reasons, but I will focus on two. First, he is an idiot for commenting that he was offered an associate position at WLRK and rejected it the instability of temping at "three V-20 firms" in two years. Now, perhaps he really received an associate position at a TTT-firm (obviously, not a Wachtell-caliber) that befits his TTT-education, and he thought "better to temp than take this offer." That's understandable, but, two years later, I'm sure he regrets his decision. Second, 4:21 is an idiot for wasting so much of his time (as an hourly employee with production requirements) posting and responding to posts on a site about "Sexpert witnesses." If he wants to move to the "big leagues" (I guess that would be staff atty at a V20, or whatever he feels is an improvement), he would be better served using his time wisely and reviewing documents (in my several years of practice, I have seen some temps who have definately proved my predispositions wrong and have produced work which has required few revisions on QC-review). Now, 4:21, some unsolicited advice -- work hard, get good reviews, stop posting on ATL, and use that legal education that I'm sure you have.
5:17 works for as a temp recruiter and, in a passive-aggressive way, is trying to recruit 4:21.
AND I AM STILL FIRSTY.
his lawyer is named Earl Gray. Isn't that a tea?
4:21,
LOL @ "Loyola is a fantastic school."
I don't know if the prosecutor is a sheltered virgin, but I do know that 2:01 PM's gf loves it when I cum on her face.
Take it from one who knows. A real woman loves jizz on her face. Consent is implied as a matter of law.
6:27.
Screw you.
Loyola is a fantastic school.
Justice O'Connor studied her 3L year their!
8:06:
You mean *there?! DAMN - I knew us secretary's weren't stupid.
Oh and for the record, I l-o-v-e it on the face. Does wonders for your skin!
um..., 8:06, no she didn't, unless she was studying for her Stanford Law classes while physically on the Loyola campus for some reason.
Also, you should learn the difference between "their" and "there" (hint: they have different meanings).
You must be a Loyola student.
As a big law partner I must object. We have not laid off ANY contract hotties AND we pay them $15/pop when we facialize them. That's in addition to the $6.80/hr pay. Not a bad deal for the underclass I say. Not bad at all.
Thank you.
12:50.
I facialized your mother.
LMAO @ 2:31 pm. Always nice to see people who couldn't stay awake in criminal law.
Unfortunately, he'll probably pass the bar and get white had disease as an ADA.
6:34-- She probably would, we've been talking about trying that sometime.
--2:01
3:46/4:02
I actually prefer the term "yellow discipline" when referring to the "golden shower".
It's called Daubert. You might want to try retaking Torts if you don't get why his testimony was excluded.
Honestly some times I wonder whether any of these commenters are attys or even law students.
Daubert is an evidentiary standard, not a concept for torts. I hear they teach Daubert in torts at Loyola, right after the negligence of facials.