KASH -- post the video, post the video !!!

hmm, does Kash have a video in her past that she regrets?

Toilet firm was extremely careless in its drafting of the Complaint. Paras. 19 and 29 both state "Repeat and realleges as if fully set forth the allegations of facts contained in paragraphs '1' through '87', inclusive." The Complaint only has 30 discretal paragraphs.

Jack asses.

TTT

what are anal beads?

Yeah, seriously, what are anal beads? I feel suddenly very square.

Google it.

My beads once broke during use. It was hugely embarrassing and painful

Anal beads rule. And here's a tip: they were not her beads. They were the BF's. Anal beads work best on the boys. For those of you who profess squareness, do some internet shopping and getcherself a set.

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http://www.babeland.com/about/locations

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Guys in my high school used to get caught using anal beads and making sex tapes all the time; it was no big deal.

The police watched and showed others a sex tape of a minor?

I think they'll have a lot more than a civil rights suit to look forward to.

Who doesn't know what anal beads are??? I mean really....

I personally prefer the baseball-sized ones, but that's just me

10:36--Mom?

guys in my high school liked fisting and using baseball-sized anal beads all the time, it was no big deal.

it says "teenage" girl. Girls aged 18 and 19 are "teenage" girls. But good catch -- the officers could be in some *big* criminal trouble if they were displaying child pornography to one another.

The complaint says she was 15 at the time of the video..17 now...

The Smoking Gun article says that the girl is now 17; presumably she was younger than that when the incident occurred.

Cops = Fucked.

Where the hell were these 15 year old girls playing with anal beads when I was in high school? Oh right, f*cking the football players.

When using anal beads, I prefer to pull them out like I'm starting a lawn mower.

The cops "played with her anal beads"?

That's where I draw the line.

PS: Would not the officer's who viewed the video of the 15 year old felatrix to amuse themselves in the station house be guilty of possession of child porn? (I am sure there is an exception for legitimate law enforcement purposes, but having a yuck with you buddies in blue who are not on the case is unlikely to be one of them.

Maybe one you you legal eagles now taking crim law or computer crimes in LS can answer this.

Immunity.

Come on. I bet next you're going to tell me that cops who confiscate blow can't sit around the evidence room and do some lines with their boys.

Guys in my high school used to do lines with the cops after their blow was confiscated all the time, it was no big deal.

FRAT STUD is slipping.

Guys in my high school used to slip all the time, then their dads would sue the shit out of the building's proprietor, it was no big deal.

Guys in my high school used to write posts about guys in their high school all the time. It was no big deal.

I'm a guy still in high school and I read this blog. It is no big deal.

Plaintiff needs to be careful that she doesn't get charged w/manufacture of child pornography. See, e.g., http://www.news.com/Police-blotter-Teens-prosecuted-for-racy-photos/2100-1030_3-6157857.html

I used to do that all the time, it was no big deal. - Justin Berry

often did it. no biggie.

I love how the picture of Brooke Weinstein from Lateral Links appears right next to an article about a woman with a sex video and anal beads as if she is the woman.

Um...a FIFTEEN year old girl is making sex tapes and using *anal beads", whatever they are, and people's concern is about the cops humiliating her and playing that video? The cops did exactly the right thing. Parents and society are obviously failing the current generation, with barely pubescent teenagers behaving with promiscuity like we've never seen, so maybe some tough love and even humiliation is what we need. I bet her parents were "understanding" and wanted to be her "friend" instead of beating her ass when she deserved it. Enough of "anything goes" - unless you want your future 15-year-old daughter videotaping herself getting fucked up the ass. Those cops deserve a medal.

Cops to 190 - months.

12:49, you are in some major denial. This generation did not invent sex, particularly not teen sex. If you look at the time difference between marriage and birth of first child in colonial times (yep, I'm talking about Puritans) there were a whole heckuva lot more knocked up teens geting married (and getting knocked up in the first place!) then now.

Let's pretend (because I don't agree with you here) that her behavior was inappropriate and that her parents and society were failing her. Shaming her, and watching the sex tape for their gratification and groping her do nothing to SOLVE the 'problem' and actually make it worse. You don't grope or beat children if you think they are displaying inappropriate sexuality. The first is sexual abuse, which is much more damaging than consensual sex, even if the child is too young to be sexually active, and the second is physical abuse, which when tied up with sexuality can cause some serious damage and even encourage promiscuity as a way to rebel against/separate oneself from the abusive parent(s).

You approach the subject VERY CAREFULLY, explain to them why you think they aren't ready yet to handle the physical/emotional/psychological consequences of sex, even though that is what their hormones are telling them, try and find out if they were sexually abused, and in the first place, maybe don't let them be alone in a bedroom with their SO.

I know plenty of people who started having sex in their early teens and turned out fine. I don't know a single case where a parent meddling in the sexuality of a person +14 (aside from setting boundaries, like, no, you cannot sleep over at Johnny's house) led to any positive result.

I hope to God you aren't a parent.

What kind of judgmental prude thinks that the most embarrassing thing that happened to this young women is the public disclosure of her anal beads? Better to have more teenagers with anal beads and vibrators than pregnant and infected with STDs. Anyway, I am sure nothing compares to being sexually exploited and humiliated by a bunch of fat old men with guns. These cops should be kicked off the force with no pension. I'd probably kick 'em in the nuts too, given the chance.

Teenage daughter, boyfriend, marijuana, sex tape = bad enough and one of parent's worst nightmares. But ANAL BEADS too??? Ouch.

(Also, isn't Harrison a pretty upscale town?)

1:05, way to fight ignorance with facts and reason.

I hope you ARE (or will someday be) a parent!

Sure. When it comes to 15 year-old girls I am a prude. I think that if your kid is that young and ALREADY has made a sex tape and owns anal beads, you might be a little late on the old parenting front. That does not mean that girls this young making sex tapes is anything like appropriate behavior.

I also worry a little about where these kids end up sexually. It is not that the 15 year-old sphincter can't handle some action. It is that leaping (so to speak) into anal at 15 leaves precious little to explore for the next, oh, 70 years of your sex life. Sheesh. Slow down a little. Stick with mutual masturbation and oral sex until your 17 or 18. Spend a few years rolling vag style, with the de rigour lesbian action during college, and work your way up.

12:49 here -

1:05, I am not a parent, but I hope you aren't either. You actually do NOT agree with me that a 15-year-old girl making sex tapes and using anal sex toys is inappropriate? What age would be then? 13? 11? 9? I mean, seriously...I guarantee this little slut learned her lesson. The main problem is, parents nowadays are not strict enough. The baby boomers wanted to be "cool" parents. Add to that the media glorifiying sex at younger and younger ages, and teenagers are doing things that they are not ready for. There is a Grand Canyon of difference between Puritans who got married and knocked up at 18 and this behavior. Now, we have middle schoolers getting blowjobs on the school bus and freshmen girls getting fucked up the ass. So tell me again, is there ANY age where this would not be appropriate?

"What kind of judgmental prude thinks that the most embarrassing thing that happened to this young women is the public disclosure of her anal beads? Better to have more teenagers with anal beads and vibrators than pregnant and infected with STDs. Anyway, I am sure nothing compares to being sexually exploited and humiliated by a bunch of fat old men with guns. These cops should be kicked off the force with no pension. I'd probably kick 'em in the nuts too, given the chance. "

What kind of mentally challenged, anything-goes moron actually thinks this is acceptable behavior? No wonder the kids are fucked up, the adults are fucked up too. Who do you think is more likely to be infected with STD's - the girl making sex tapes and possibly having anal sex at fifteen, or a 15-year-old virgin? It all goes together. Many young people aren't even using condoms anymore anyway.

Attacking someone as a "judgmental prude" only demonstrates your lack of an argument and your fucked-up attitude. When you call the cops "fat old men with guns" and say you'd kick them in the nuts, it seems like you are a shallow, demeaning, bitter female, who was no doubt (and maybe still is) promiscuous and wouldn't want her behavior "judged" like this girl's was. Your uterus is probably destroyed from all the random cocks and STD's you had up there, but if not, I hope you never have kids, because you seem to not understand that "judging" of teenagers is exactly what parenting is about.

12:49 is right - how can anyone blame the cops? They deserve a fucking promotion for putting that skank in her place. I find it unbelievable that there are people that think 15-year-old girls in the suburbs making sex tapes and using anal beads are not a new, and disgusting phenomenon.

2:04, it disturbs me that there are people in this country who believe that police harassment is a good way to teach "little slut[s}" a "lesson."

Do you really think these police officers had noble intentions? They were getting off on the power of sexual humiliation. And can you really not see the difference between being promiscuous and exploring kinks with one's significant other?

And by the way. Anal beads are pretty banal. There's no reason to view the butt any differently than the vag or cock.

Are people more upset by the fact that she was a sexually active 15 year old or that she was a kinky (I use the term loosely, anal beads really aren't all that odd) sexually active 15 year olds? I'm nearly certain most people have masturbated by the age of 15, so it doesn't seem all that bizarre that some would start experimenting with other things.....

2:28 - seriously? Exploring kinks with your siginificant other? We are talking about a FRESHMAN in high school.

Again, for the anything-goes crowd, one question: at what age would you think it inappropriate for YOUR daughter to make sex tapes and have anal beads - 14? 12? 10? Is fourth grade too soon, or is that ok too?

2:04 and 2:22 -

I can not believe that you are actually praising the police officer's actions. I hope that once you two are parents, that your teenage child does something similar and agents of the state in your community put them in their place by the same methods for your apparant lack of parenting skills.

Wait, wait, wait. WAIIIIIITTTT. Are you guys really telling me that you think a 15 year-old has a "significant other" and that anal beads don't qualify as pretty out-there kinky for a CHILD WHO CANNOT DRIVE!?! Seriously?

I am a parent, although of a boy. This scares the hell out of me. Yes, at 15 basically all kids have masturbated, but while some are still clarifying to whom/what they are masturbating, others are apparently ramming beads up their assholes and filming it. Apparently some of you don't see a continuum there.

By the way, these cops were complete asses. They did this kid no favors. She's going to end up on a stripper pole with or without them spanking it watching her have sex. Her parents, on the other hand, deserve a swift kick in the nuts.

1:05 here. I think that for most children, sex before the age of 14 isn't that great. Sex at 14 or older, no, I wouldn't be thrilled about my child engaging in it, and no, I wouldn't give them the opportunity to engage in it (i.e., let them be alone with the bf/gf), but if I learned about it I wouldn't freak out because it is pretty normal, and as children age, you have to start treating them more like adults. Not just because you can no longer control them, but because they are growing up and should be given progressive responsibility and control over their lives if you want them to actually be a grownup. (I know so many people raised in a very conservative, usually religious, manner who 1-6 mos. into college jumped into sex because their parents had been so against it for so long. They were the ones who were less likely to use condoms and more likely to sleep with inappropriate partners.)

But you didn't answer my main question, which was HOW what the police did (even assuming her conduct was innappropriate) did ANYTHING to constructively address the problem. And why you think groping a minor child and watching her have sex is at all excusable, let alone commendable.

I know plenty of people who started having sex between the ages of 14-16, and others who delayed until their late teens or twenties. I really don't see any difference between the two groups in terms of promiscuity. In fact, it has been my experience that less sexually experienced people tend to have poor boundaries and poor sexual ethics, or both. I see this as being dual effects of a single cause---an obsession with physical virginity to the exclusion of all else, including (self)respect , sexual ethics, and personal safety. So sex 'just happens' and people 'get carried away.'

Do I think 14 year-olds should have sex? No, because I think that the risks outweigh the benefits and the child's ability to cope is probably less than they think. But I also remember being 14, and being really, really sexually attracted to guys at my school, so I don't see these kids as alien debauched beings.

And FTR, I did help raise a teenager who I was related to. She and I talked really frankly about sexuality, and I never pretended that teenage sex was the big evil or called anyone sluts, in fact, I told her not to use that term, but I was very frank about STDs, birth control failure rates and shortcomings, and the fact that having sex means being willing to have an abortion or become a parent. I wasn't trying to be her 'friend' but I didn't talk down to her either or lie to her about sex. Guess what. She waited. And if she hadn't, she would have at least known what she was getting into.

@2:17 -- You suck.
"it seems like you are a shallow, demeaning, bitter female, who was no doubt (and maybe still is) promiscuous and wouldn't want her behavior "judged" like this girl's was. Your uterus is probably destroyed from all the random cocks and STD's you had up there"

Really? Let me guess, guys can do what they will, but women can't. Whats wrong with you?

Even if you were right about a 15 yo, the poster you attack -- who is not 15, I asume -- has every right to her own sexual pleasure. Jesus.

Let me guess, you are super proud of your lifetime numbers but would never, ever, date/marry a girl who has slept with more than 3 guys.

@2:17 -- You suck.
"it seems like you are a shallow, demeaning, bitter female, who was no doubt (and maybe still is) promiscuous and wouldn't want her behavior "judged" like this girl's was. Your uterus is probably destroyed from all the random cocks and STD's you had up there"

Really? Let me guess, guys can do what they will, but women can't. Whats wrong with you?

Even if you were right about a 15 yo, the poster you attack -- who is not 15, I asume -- has every right to her own sexual pleasure. Jesus.

Let me guess, you are super proud of your lifetime numbers but would never, ever, date/marry a girl who has slept with more than 3 guys.

And parenting isn't about "judging" teenagers. It is about setting boundaries, providing a good example, letting them know about the world around them, and progressively giving them more responsibility so they can develop into an adult. Not unfettered freedom, but not expectations of mini-medom either.

So if a 14 year old having sex is okay, then it must also be okay if the other person is 30. What's the difference?

@4:13 -- That really doesn't follow. There is a WORLD of difference between a 14 year old having sex with another 14 year old (or you know, a 15 yo) and a 30 year old. Why didn't you just ask about a 14 year old being raped by her father?

Or, you know, being pee'd on by R. Kelly...

4:16 - you say there is a "WORLD"of difference but you don't give a single difference. If it's okay for the 14 year old to have sex, what difference does it make how old the partner is? Rape has no connection at all, as it is not consensual.

4:13--the difference is the power differential. Two children exploring sexuality together is entirely different than an adult engaging sexually with a child. The 14-year-old wouldn't be abnormal for being attracted to a 30-year-old, but the 30-year-old would be exploitative by acting on his or her own attraction to a person who is still immature and discovering their sexuality.

4:13, you're retarded and have poor logical skills. I hope you're not a lawyer. You see, a 30 year old is able to exert power and control over the 14 year old such that that 14 year old is likely not acting under his or her own free will. The situation with two 14 year olds (and btw, the girl was 15) experimenting with sex is less likely to involve manipulation and is more likely to be truly consentual. Finally, you're retarded because the argument isn't primarily about whether this girl's sexual activities are healthy, they're about whether the government's actions were appropriate. See, the police exist to enforce laws, not to impose someone else's views of morality on what is otherwise a lawful activity.

btw, how are anal beads kinky again? It's just putting something in one's butt.

4:13--The problem is also that children get used to following adults instructions, doing what they say, and attempting to get approval from them. While it is not unusual for power relationships to become eroticized, the adult who engages sexually with a child is taking advantage of the fact that the child is compliant in part because of the power differential and the desire to please. Children also have less self-knowledge and self-control than adults. So adult having sex with child knows that they are more in control than the child, and knows that they better understand themselves and the consequences, and knows that children tend to be more compliant (and hormonal, therefore a bit more vulnerable), and knows that the child (probably) has less sexual experience, and yet enter into an inherently unequal sexual relationship.

Do you think two five-year-olds playing doctor is just as damaging as a 20 year old and a five-year-old?

@4:13

4:16 here. That's the WORLD of difference.

Tard.

I believe the poster who called the child a "little slut" is the wife of one of the cops in question. There is no other reason to display such disgusting hostility towards a young girl who was harassed and humiliated by piece-of-shit pervert police who were in the apartment for- let's remember this- reasons having nothing to do with her.

Thank you, 4:44, for reminding us that this story is about piece-of-shit pervert police officers abusing their badges and not a 15-year-old girl who may be making unhealthy decisions.

3:58, are you another feminist complaining about the "double standard"? Goddamn, when will you people shut the hell up? Women have standards for men, and men have standards for women. The fact is that the majority of women want men to have some sexual experience, whereas for men, women are divided into two categories. "Good girls" used to be virgins, though guys will now accept up to maybe 10 partners if she's 30 or so. These are the kinds of girls guys date or marry. "Sluts" fucked a lot of guys and guys will have fun with them but obviously not marry them, unless they are really, really desperate. Promiscuity in women and men are not the same and carry very different risks in pregnancy, disease risk, and even fertility decline.

The thing that disturbs me most about these police officers and the hostile posters is this... They use morality as an excuce to exhibit in immoral behavior. So this girl violates some of their sexual mores. She is immediately labeled a "little slut" who needs to be taught a lesson. The lesson is a sham because what they're really doing is giving themselves privilege to release the beast they have repressed in a way that comports with their own, hypocritical, moral code.

omg, 5:06, your idiocy and anachronistic ideas would be cute if they weren't so damaging.

Having an individual preference for the sexual history of one's partner is one thing (although it's a stupid criteria. I can't imagine anyone caring who isn't hopelessly insecure). Using that personal preference to judge others is quite another. Why should you care if some girl has a lot of sex? Just don't marry her. Further, you probably shouldn't assume that most men want to marry a "good girl." You also shouldn't assume that marriage is most people's highest priorit, or that they view all actions based on the effect it will have on their marriage prospects.

btw, i'm a guy, and I'm not 3:58. You, on the other hand, have serious anger issues. Pointing out that your double standard is obsolete and oppressive shouldn't provoke such a vile response.

3:54 - it's 12:49 here. I can see that you at least have good intentions although you seem way, way left wing to me and people I know. I'm not saying that you can control anything teenagers do, but there is a frustration among many, not just myself, about the complete lack of boundaries among teens today. There is a difference between a 15-year old having sex with her boyfriend who she loves, and a 15-year-old making sex tapes and using sex toys. This is a child with no boundaries for her behavior. And sex among teenagers is becoming more and more "kinky" at younger ages. Is there any end to it? There are girls doing anal at 15 now, a generation ago probably barely any women did it at all! And you wonder why STD rates are rising, and illiegitimacy rates are rising, etc...it's because for 40 years, people have not been judged. "Anything goes" doesn't work for teenagers, and to be honest, your own success kind of proves that.

As for the cops, sure, they didn't act in the most upstanding manner. But it's kind of like if a guy is really obnoxious and finally gets his ass kicked. Perhaps it isn't the "right" thing to do, but I'm not going to get too upset about it. This 15-year-old is no doubt a wild bitch with no morals and she needed a wakeup call. It isn't like the raped her...they just embarrassed her. And that seems appropriate.

What up with all the Berkeley/Cambridge 60's hippie shit here? The bitch is a ho. Enough said. And dudes don't want to marry sluts because they don't want to spend 18 years paying for someone elses kid after she fucks around. And they don't want to contract herpes or worse. Seem like good reasons to me.

12:49--3:54/1:05 here.

Let me break down my problem with the cops first. She claims that one of them groped her breasts and butt, while allegedly searching her pursuant to an arrest for evidence tampering--but she was never taken into custody and never really arrested or charged with evidence tampering. That is sexual assault of a minor female by an adult male in a position of autority. I am damn upset about that. I would be upset about it if she were an adult, or an actual criminal, or even a prostitute, but I am REALLY upset about it because she was a CHILD. The stuff with the sex tape is just plain illegal on top of that--seizing it (clearly it wasn't drugs!) watching it, using it to humiliate her, it might even constitute watching/possessing child pornography. That is an extreme, extreme invasion of privacy, completely unjustified and really warped.

As far as sex toys (and this sex toy was probably her boyfriend's as astute posters upthread have mentioned) when properly cleaned and used by one user, they are safer than intercourse, even becondomed with a clean partner. I don't see sex toys as that deviant. She did not use the toy in the video, and frankly, even if she had, who cares?

Filming--my personal opinion is that it is a bad idea because it might fall into the wrong hands, but some people enjoy that. If she were filming it for distribution, I'd be a bit more worried, by filming it personally, I might consider her naive and a little reckless, but not all that kinky.

I do not think you can assume that this particular child had no boundaries. If she were having sex with multiple partners on film, or having sex with a significantly older male, or if she weren't still with the same partner, I would see all of these as more of a sign of boundarylessness than the fact that her boyfriend owns one sex toy and she performs two sex acts that more than 50% of 16-17 year olds have (she was 15) and then films it. The filming, it sticks out, but since both partners were minors, she could have just as easily suggested the filming as he.

Rates of teenage pregnancy are actually declining. And wrt to the obsession with anal, yeah, that's a little new. Did you know that kids who want to hang on to their 'v cards' are more likely to engage in anal and oral, and less likely to use condoms? Rates of 'illegitimacy' may be increasing, but the ages of the single parents are also increasing. For what it is worth.

I don't think teens "completely lack boundaries." I happen to know quite a few, and remember being one myself. I do think that we have a highly sexualized commercial culture, which we compound by not giving accurate information about sex, and I also think that some parents would do well not to permit coupled teenagers to slip off to the bedroom and have sex. But as I pointed out, there were higher levels of teenage/premarital pregnancy in the puritan era. My point---there really is nothing new under the sun.

But if you want to keep on defending kiddy-gropers, and censuring teens for acting on perfectly normal sexual impulses, you go right ahead. Because that is exactly what you are doing. Slut-shaming the sexually active teen, while giving a pass to the police officer who groped her.

@5:06

3:58 here. I'm a guy too. Just not an insecure one.

@5:23:

I don't "wonder why STD rates are rising, and illiegitimacy rates are rising, etc" and its not "because for 40 years, people have not been judged. "Anything goes" doesn't work for teenagers, and to be honest, your own success kind of proves that." Its because of lousy sex ed. And that is not the kids, even sexually active ones, fault.

5:23...she's a "wild bitch with no morals"? Really? Maybe she just doesn't share YOUR views of morality. I sure don't.

Sex toys aren't a big deal. They're practical, safe ways for teenagers to explore their own sexuality. And anal...what's your problem with anal? Two generations ago, oral sex was considered taboo, now it's not. And who's to say the girl was having anal sex just because the boyfriend had anal beads. Last time I checked, beads weren't cocks, and there's a good chance the beads were for the boyfriend.

Finally, you have serious issues. Sexual behavior that flirts with the boundaries of good taste (she's not doing anything jaw dropping here - but I agree that making a sex tape wasn't foreward thinking) shouldn't provoke this type of vitriol from anyone. Maybe you're projecting on her the hatred you have for your own impulses? You should probably see a therapist. It will make you a happier person, and if you ever choose to have children, it will increase the chances of having a healthy relationship with them.

3:54/1:05 here, again.

"This 15-year-old is no doubt a wild bitch with no morals and she needed a wakeup call."

Wow. So by your analysis, she is both a child, and her behavior is inappropriate b/c she is too young to engage in this behavior (no agency), and yet you feel free calling her that. (wild bitches with no morals have agency.)

Interesting. So sexually active females don't have enough agency/boundaries to freely and maturely choose to have monogamous sex with a same-age partners, but they do have enough agency to be called wild bitches with no morals. Utterly baffling.

Does having sex mean that one has 'no morals' or could it perhaps mean that someone's moral beliefs permit sexual activity? Are you a virgin? I mean, really? Because if you aren't, and you think you are superior because you started having sex at an older age than this young woman, that makes no sense. You are, in essence, blaming her for giving into a temptation you yourself have indulged in at an age when she was less able to exercise self-control. Just wow.

I have never understood this 'I want to marry a virgin' thing. Have you ever had sex with a virgin? It sucks. And not literally.

At her age I was thrilled just to get my hand underneath my girlfriend's bra once in a while. But I'm not judging, just wishing I'd known more girls like this one back when I was below the age of consent.

Wow, I'm shocked. Growing up in Harrison I had a lot of interaction with the police force and I always found them to be professional and courteous...wow.

Yes! There are many good cops in Harrison, but those 3 dirty ones are NOT. They are involved in more than two other incidents where they have violated peoples rights. They are abusive and the chief of police refuses to investigate!!!! Why? Maybe is because the belong to his "team". But not too long ago he suspended 2 other police officers without even a complaint and didnt defend them the way his defending these pigs only because they have a lawsuit against him!!!! Everybody should be judged equally....that is clear retaliation.

5:47 and 6:06, I have every right to judge that girl. I blame society and her parents more than herself, but videotaping yourself having sex is not appropriate for a NINTH GRADER. It is just not. Call me old-school, whatever. I find it unbelievable that more of the people here are not shocked by it. Again, I will ask the question - at what grade level will you be ok with your daughter making a porn tape? If 9th is ok, how about 8th? 7th? If she's 12 or 13, is that ok? Or is 14 the proper age to begin videotaping you taking it from behind. Please let me know.

Is it going to law school that isolates people from reality? Cops and other working-class folks generally are socially conservative, and are concerned with raising upright kids. Is it possible that lawyers, after all that learning about case law, fail to see the big picture? I am surprised people here are attacking the common sense view by no doubt the vast majority of Americans that a 15-year-old girl using sex toys and videotaping herself fucking her boyfriend are not appropriate behavior. How bout the story a while ago where 11 and 12 year olds in upstate NY were sending naked pics of themselves via cellphone - would that be ok for your daughter too?

11:55--got logic?

It is really simple. If she is too young to consent to sex and the making of the tape, i.e., if she is not responsible for it even though she said yes, the response is not to call her a bitch or a slut. The response is to put reasonable restrictions on her access to the boyfriend and get her therapy.

If she is adult enough to conset to the sex and the taping, then it really isn't a problem. And she wasn't making a sex tape for public consumption, she was engaged in private consensual activity.

Like I've said upthread, I think 14 is the point at which minors can have sex with each other (depending on the child.) And no one has yet explained to me why taping oneself (privately, the cops had no right to look at that tape) or using toys (which she probably did not--the cop just waved a sex toy in her face, and it was a sex toy that a male would likely use) somehow makes a person bad. That behavior is pretty vanilla.

Now, for a child below the age of 14 to send naked pictures of him or herself to others (or even a child over 14) is really problematic. (Child porn anyone?) Yes, that would be grounds for a serious intervention.

But all this stuff about this 15-year-old's behavior is a red herring. My point, all along, has been that even IF her behavior was wrong, the police officer's response was completely, completely wrong. One officer groped a child, they illegally seized a sex tape and watched it repeatedly, including in front of the minor, and people are acting like this young woman deserved it. Does anyone honestly think that this behavior from the police will solve anything? I mean, really? Do you think children should be groped and sexually humiliated by adults for sexually inappropriate behavior? Do you honestly think that is appropriate?

And I am not isolated from reality. I am just not sick and twisted enough to think that groping is fit punishment for sexual behavior that 'socially conservative' (you said it, not me) people disapprove of. I also understand that teenagers have strong sexual desires (and always have) and a pretty large subset will act on them (and always have).

Let me ask my question again. When did you first have sex? And if it was at an older age than this young lady, do you acknowledge that at that older age, you were better situated to exercise self-control than she was? Talk about being out of touch with reality.

I think it's hilarious that 11:55 isn't judging the boy at all. So let's get this straight...it's ok for the government to sexually humiliate "little sluts" for their private, LEGAL activities. In fact, we should judge them. But the boy hasn't done anything wrong? You're a freak, 11:55.

And at what age would I be ok with my daughter making PRIVATE sex tapes with her boyfriend...at the age when she is able to give true and informed consent, that's when. As far as sex toys go, at whatever age she wants. Every teenage girl should have a vibrator.

um, idiot at 11:55...why exactly is it not ok for two teenagers in a relationship, who are old enough to take agency for their actions, to consent to having some kinky fun? Cause you haven't really explained why other than "it's just not." So basically, it's not ok because you say it's not ok? It's not okay because it offends your morals? Well, many, many people don't share your view. And these people are just living their lives, minding their own business. You, on the other hand, judge, call names, and take joy in the fact that the police abused a teenage girl. You, not anal beads and webcams, are what's wrong with this country.