I bet this guy is a product of affirmative action. just sayin'

Loren Elliotte is a dude's name?

Loren Elliotte is a dude's name?

why would he feel the need to mess with his grades if he went to the U of C? even if they sucked, couldn't he still land a job somewhere very good? i might understand a TTT grad doing this to get into biglaw, but not this guy. weigh risk vs. reward before you do this. what a f-ing idiot.

How did he get caught so many years later, especially since it looks like he never accepted the Sidley offer?

why would he feel the need to mess with his grades if he went to the U of C? even if they sucked, couldn't he still land a job somewhere very good? i might understand a TTT grad doing this to get into biglaw, but not this guy. weigh risk vs. reward before you do this. what a f-ing idiot.

They are some incredibly bad grades - I didn't know anyone could do that poorly

They are some incredibly bad grades - I didn't know anyone could do that poorly

How did his transcript from law school come up? Who would have access to that information and want to file a bar complaint; who would know that he lied about med school in his application to Sidley. Am I missing something?

Those grades unquestionably would rank him as the absolute last person in the class if not in the history of the Law School.

As a U of C 3L, I am simply amazed that someone could do that poorly.

11:59, is it true that as long as you go to a good school, you can land a good job (say, in Biglaw)..even if you have a few D grades on your transcript?

How did his transcript from law school come up? Who would have access to that information and want to file a bar complaint; who would know that he lied about med school in his application to Sidley. Am I missing something?

How did his transcript from law school come up? Who would have access to that information and want to file a bar complaint; who would know that he lied about med school in his application to Sidley. Am I missing something?

I found one typo in the complaint...a 75 is a B, yo.

The question isn't why he felt he had to do it given that he went to Chicago. He obviously has a psychological problem. It's like the Hale & Dorr partner who submitted false time records a few years ago. He didn't have to do that either, but did so anyway.

For everyone thinking he didn't have to do this - it looks like he did. The vast majority of his grades were C's - what self-respecting firm is going to give him an offer with those kind of grades? A HLSstudent with straight C's would have a hard time finding a job in the v100.

What I don't get is how Sidley didn't find out about this when it happened. Don't law firms get transcripts directly from your school after your summer?

I knew people got Cs at Chicago, but those grades are still really bad. I know there were people from his class at Chicago who struggled to get jobs upon graduation, and I suspect their grades were better than his real grades. While it doesn't make it right, I'm sure he knew that he would never get a job at a big firm with those grades.

I thought most law firms require certified transcripts from your school. Mine did.

Those grades are terrible - but last in history of U of C? - I've heard of people who got 170s in classes. If 10-15% of everything are C's, 10-15% is 173 or below. What is wrong with a 175?

How did this dude get away with faking a transcript that long is beyond me. I'm a paralegal and I needed to provide transcripts of my bachelor's *and* from the school where I completed paralegal studies. Go figure!

Lat, pursuant to this story, maybe you can do a survey on what's the GPA of attorneys in Biglaw? This gives us students an idea of whether we have what it takes, academically, to get an offer from Biglaw. Just a suggestion!

I wouldn't say these are the worst grades ever... there was always at least one D given out each semester, and I even saw an F once. But yeah... only 5 B's and the rest C's, without a single grade above the median. That's pretty horrid.

Also, U of C is probably one of the few top law schools where getting a C is pretty common. It's a 20-60-20 break usually. Most people leave there with a few dings on their transcripts. It's usually no biggie since most employers know this and adjust their expectations re grade cut offs.

Lat, pursuant to this story, maybe you can do a survey on what's the GPA of attorneys in Biglaw? This gives us students an idea of whether we have what it takes, academically, to get an offer from Biglaw. Just a suggestion!

Another evidence that showing that law school grades do not correlate with actual practice.

Lat, pursuant to this story, maybe you can do a survey on what's the GPA of attorneys in Biglaw? This gives us students an idea of whether we have what it takes, academically, to get an offer from Biglaw. Just a suggestion!

i doubt the lawyers would answer the GPA survey honestly if they did bad so no point in the survey.

you can still find his attorney profile if you google "loren e. friedman" -- he's kinda cute, in a NYC lawyer kind of way.

The GPAs would vary greatly depending on your school. And some don't even give grades. Its not about GPAs, its about school and class rank.

Another evidence showing that law school grades do not correlate with actual practice.

Thank fucking God!

He's white!!!

U of C is a joke law school everyone here in DC knows this. Its UVA if you want to be employable or nothing.

I actually think there are probably ten peoplein every class (5%) with grades this bad. Unlike Harvard, Chicago actually gives a lot of Cs --- and, probably, there are a few people like this guy who get more than there share of them. Notice that he didn't really get that many low Cs or Ds (you can also get those occasionally at Chicago). This suggests to me that he was trying, at least a bit. He would indeed be near the bottom of the class. I want to know how he got away with it for so long and how he got caught.

"For example, if your grades are all in the 80s, you're a rock star."

Typo. You need to be in the 180s to be kicking butt.

@12.40pm. THANKS for making my day!!! ;o)

@12.40pm. THANKS for making my day!!! ;o)

11.47 is a d'bag....f'ing idiot

12:48 -- they changed the scale from back in the day to make it even weirder. They added 100 to all of the grades.

My guess on the back story - Sidley busted him on the forged transcripts sometime before he was set to start in the fall of 2003. To avoid any publicity, Sidley agreed to remain silent if Friedman agreed not to pursue bar admission (hence, he does not sit for the 2003 bar) and the practice of law. Friedman laid low for three years (it appears he worked for a bankruptcy legal publication), and then he sits for the NY and IL bars in 2006, gets a job in NYC and hopes that nobody at Sidley notices. Someone at Sidley finds out and files the bar complaint.

12:40,
If he wasn't, he wouldn't have needed to alter his transcript to get a Biglaw job.

How did he get caught!!

12:48 -- You're obviously young... the "1" was added to the front of the 77 median scale a few years ago so that the grades looked even more weird and than they originally did.

Better for a firm to say, "What the hell is a 180 average?" and be told it's top 10% of the class than to see an 80 average and assume the person had a B- average without asking the question.

Hi guys, what are the chances of getting into Biglaw if I'm in the top 20% of my class, from a Tier 1 law school, but I've had 2 Ds on my transcript?

And no, I'm not thinking of doing a Loren E. Friedman :)

12:56, look at his profile in the cached google page. he clerked 2003-2004. then he worked at skadden at some point. i don't think he laid low by any means.

He used to be at Skadden in DE before he went to Curtis.

The "cache" function on Google is so cool--assuming this link works, here is his removed bio:

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:05_sFSW7X_sJ:www.cm-p.com/attorneys_associates_friedman.htm+loren+e+friedman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

His Curtis bio, before it was removed:

Mr. Friedman joined the Firm’s Bankruptcy and Creditors’ Rights department as an associate in 2006. His practice is focused on the representation of public and privately-held companies in out-of-court restructurings and Chapter 11 reorganizations. He has also aided the advising of officers and directors of public companies involved in debt restructurings on matters related to corporate governance and fiduciary duty.

Before joining the Firm, Mr. Friedman was a Corporate Restructuring associate at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and from 2003–2004 served as the law clerk to the Honorable Robert D. Martin, Chief Bankruptcy Judge for the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Western District of Wisconsin.

Mr. Friedman is admitted to practice in the State of New York and the State of Illinois.

Education

J.D., University of Chicago Law School, 2003
- Assistant Managing Editor, University of Chicago Journal of Law & Economics
- Illinois Judicial Council Scholar
- University of Chicago Law School Merit Scholar
- Edith J. Lowenstein Scholar
B.S., Biology, Emory University, 1998
- Phi Sigma (Biology Honor Society)
- Howard Hughes Research Fellowship Award Recipient
- Alpha Kappa Delta (Sociology Honor Society)
Associations

American Bankruptcy Institute
American Bar Association
Hispanic National Bar Association
New York State Bar Association
Illinois State Bar Association
Turnaround Management Association
Delaware Bankruptcy American Inn of Court
Publications

Contributing Editor, Ginsberg & Martin on Bankruptcy (Aspen Publishers, 4th Ed., 2004)
“7th Circuit Review,” Norton Bankruptcy Law Advisor (May 2004)

12:56 might be right on. Sidley turned him in to the bar, quite some time after he turned down their full time offer. It seems really strange that this would come up for someone who has been out of law school for several years. The timing is odd.

Not sure if 12:56 is right. His bio said he clerked for a year for a bankruptcy judge in Wisconsin and then worked at Skadden.

I'm not sure how they found out about the medical school thing. Ex-girlfriend?

Ugh..isn't the L&E journal faculty edited? I didn't know a student could even get that title...

At most Journals, the managing editor does the grunt work. Deals with printers, gets releases, etc. Could be a work-study job, even.

"I bet this guy is a product of affirmative action. just sayin'"

Exactly--the biggest affirmative action program: for white men.

Wow. Googling: "University of Chicago Journal of Law & Economics" "assistant managing editor" yields exactly one hit - this guy's bio.

He must have given Skadden and the Bankruptcy Judge fake transcripts as well, right?

As some people have pointed out, these are bad grades. Certainly not good enough to work at Skadden or clerk for a federal judge (although I have no idea what kind of grades Bankruptcy Judges require).

His bio also lists himas an "Illinois Judicial Council Scholar". Of course this is a minority scholarship, and while I may be wrong, this guy doesn't look like a minority in his picture. I hope he wasn't lying about that too.

I work at the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission, and this is hardly worth giving any attention to. The juicy cases are those that involve drug dealing, having sex with a client's wife as repayment, and rape (yes,rape).

Any thoughts as to why was he submitting his character and fitness response in December of 2005 if he was a 2003 graduate?

If we was at Skadden 03-04 and clerked, that would seem to indicate he clerked after Skadden. So his year at Skadden and clerkship were all prior to his submission of his character and fitness response.

He is (was) a member of the Hispanic National Bar Association. So given the name, I think you can assume his father was Jewish and his mother was Hispanic.

Tried googling "Edith J. Lowenstein" too. This guy's bio is the only hit.

why is failing out of medical school even an issue? Why would you have to disclose that? If he was kicked out for something realted to ethics or behavior, ok. But being kicked out because you failed seems to have absolutly nothing to do with law school or the practice of law - - not an issue of whether you can complete law school, and not an ethical issue. I don't get it. How is it the law school's business?

1:40,

Its not the law school's business for the sake of ethics reason. Its clearly applicable, however, to someone's academic record. Undergrad grades are not the sole academic criteria considered if you have also done graduate work. Just like someone with a Ph.D would be helped in his/her application to law school, failing out of medical school would have a negative effect.

11:47 is a Dbag, just sayin....

Edith J. Lowenstein was probably his grandmother, who gave him money, a "scholarship," to attend law school.

And his father could be a sephardic Jew, meaning he's from Jews who migrated from Spain after the Spanish Inquisition, and therefore Hispanic (yes, this does count as being Hispanic).

Do they even ask about failing out of medical school, etc.? I can't remember.

The ethics violation is this fool's lying on his application. And its a pretty big lie that would have had serious impact on his chances of admission.

u of chicago = HYS rejects

i love all you 11:47 haters . . . like you weren't scared that he was right. please.

It's not that applications explicitly ask about whether you failed out of some grad school. Its implicit in their request for all of your educational history. If you look at the complaint, it also talks about whether you have been put on academic probation, etc. and this person said no.

is 1147 the one speaking the truth about U of C or affirmative action

2:13 - neither. But it looks like 11:47 was right.

12:56 - I don't think the Sidley lawyers would keep quiet. Failing to report a fellow lawyer's ethical violation is itself an ethical violation.

Looking at the posts above, sure looks like an AA admit using some sort of minority tag.

They should have AA meetings at law schools so people can get support from each other so they stay above-water and not fall off the wagon.

All I can say is, it's a shame that someone would inject deception into the summer associate hiring process.

"i love all you 11:47 haters . . . like you weren't scared that he was right. please."

He was right.

I wonder if the Bar figured him out because of his lie to U of C about the medical school. Like they investigated and then discovered this. Either that or somebody at Sidley stumbled across this and figured they'd report him, which was a smart idea.

And once again, a topic not about AA, turns into a discussion of AA.

Lying on the bar exam application is just plain stupid. My state, and surely all others, evaluate the applicant's character and fitness to be an attorney. Evidence of lack of character and fitness is lying on that very application.

Homer: I never lie twice on the same form.

Marge: We lied dozens of times on our mortgage application.

Homer: Yes, but that was all part of a "ball" of lies.

Wait, there's an afffirmative action program for white (and possibly Jewish) guys? Where do I sign up?

"Wait, there's an afffirmative action program for white (and possibly Jewish) guys? Where do I sign up?"

Law school, medical school, corporate America life in the United States, etc.

If you believe the previous posts, this person got some sort of minority scholarship and also was a member of the Hispanic bar.

Other than Native Americans, I don't know of any group that gets better "AA" treatment than Hispanics.

Imigents, always knew it was the imigents. Event when it was the Bear I knew it was the imigents.

Imigents, always knew it was the imigents. Even when it was the Bear I knew it was the imigents.

Corrected

Loren is a really decent young man. Assuming the allegations are true, he really messed up. Heck, even C students at UC Law get better jobs than, say, 90% of Chicago-Kent grads.

Loren, if your reading this, hang in there man. Just make sure you don't lie about being disciplined by a professional organization if asked on a future job applications (but you've probably learned that by now).

I bet what happened is that some U of C person saw the details that were posted about him on his bio and notified the bar to say that something seems fishy. As a U of C grad myself, the "Assistant Managing Editor, University of Chicago Journal of Law & Economics" would have raised suspicion because I've never heard of students holding board positions on this journal. I've also never heard of the "merit scholar" thing. I think that if you alert the bar that someone may be lying on their resume or bio, the bar will request transcripts, law apps, and applications/transcripts given to old employers as part of their investigation... and that's where this guy's whole house of cards would have come tumbling down.

3:56 -- Nice post. I hope someone posts something like this if I ever mess up. That said, I am not sure a job application for a non-legal job would ask about professional discipline.

I know Loren too and he is one of the nicest, most thoughtful guys I know. He's the kind of guy who is a friend indeed and if you were suffering such a setback as is he now, you'd want a friend like Loren in your corner -- and he would be.

And to state the obvious, his transcretions were years ago and he did get an offer from Sidley and work at Skadden and Curtis -- so he's got the chops in practice if not academia.

Hang in there buddy.

Hey, 3:56 and 4:34... he might be a swell fellow personally, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a liar and a fraudster, and that he took slots that would have otherwise gone to people who actually worked for them.

And I'm sorry... but his transgressions were not that long ago. He stopped clerking in 2004, so he must've lied to Skadden at that time... I don't know when he jumped from Skadden to Curtis, but he lied then too. He continued to lie on his bio, as others have pointed out.

And we don't know whether he had the chops to practice anywhere... he only survived for 4 years between two firms.

At least he can pass a bar exam... I'll give him that much.

this guy is LIAR and a FRAUD. And was likely at the BOTTOM of his class. But he still managed to do well enough in BIGLAW...i wonder what this does to all those who focus on how grades determines your ability to hack it in BIGLAW. this dude got 15 C grades!!! That's over half his classes. Whether or not U of C gives C's over half his transcript is full of C's - its ridiculous and he should have NO RIGHT to work in BIGLAW. I love the bleeding hearts out there for him - lordforbid this had been a black or hispanic person - or gasp a black or real minority hispanic lawyer who got in biglaw with a measily B average. of course THEY are not qualified to practice - but this dude deserves a break!?

I cant believe

this guy is LIAR and a FRAUD. And was likely at the BOTTOM of his class. But he still managed to do well enough in BIGLAW...i wonder what this does to all those who focus on how grades determines your ability to hack it in BIGLAW. this dude got 15 C grades!!! That's over half his classes. Whether or not U of C gives C's over half his transcript is full of C's - its ridiculous and he should have NO RIGHT to work in BIGLAW. I love the bleeding hearts out there for him - lordforbid this had been a black or hispanic person - or gasp a black or real minority hispanic lawyer who got in biglaw with a measily B average. of course THEY are not qualified to practice - but this dude deserves a break!?

I cant believe

this guy is LIAR and a FRAUD. And was likely at the BOTTOM of his class. But he still managed to do well enough in BIGLAW...i wonder what this does to all those who focus on how grades determines your ability to hack it in BIGLAW. this dude got 15 C grades!!! That's over half his classes. Whether or not U of C gives C's over half his transcript is full of C's - its ridiculous and he should have NO RIGHT to work in BIGLAW. I love the bleeding hearts out there for him - lordforbid this had been a black or hispanic person - or gasp a black or real minority hispanic lawyer who got in biglaw with a measily B average. of course THEY are not qualified to practice - but this dude deserves a break!?

11:47, 2:28

Uh, the dude's white.

fix the comments box - its takes forever to POST

4:46 -- Clearly what the guy did was wrong and it appears he will pay the consequences. I think those people are merely expressing sympathy and support for their friend. He brought it on himself. But it is quite something see someone you care about -- a redeemable human being -- completely fuck up his life, and be exposed as a fraud. I guess you are more of a shunning sort of a dude. I agree, however, that neither the timing of his wrongdoing nor his ability to stay employed at a couple of firms should matter. He's done as an attorney.

the problem with hispanics and AA is that hispanics cover the whole racial and socio-economic spectrum. To grant AA based on underprivileged minority status to hispanics without actually doing a background checks nets a whole lot of upper-middle class- wealthy white hispanics who have no business getting a step up...I speak as a hispanic who has gone to predominantly white schools where somehow the hispanic population was always listed as more than black population BUT I could only maybe count less than a handful I could identify as such. Schools dont care because they get the benefit of increasing their minority numbers without actually having to do this - ditto goes to law firms.

See, this is what happens when you let white guys become lawyers. They should stay in the kitchen where they belong!

Amen, 5:18. And count me as another friend of Loren's. He screwed up horribly, and he'll pay the price. I'm not defending what he did, but he's a smart, standup guy and a worthwhile person. I hope he's able to put his life back together eventually and get past this.

Its hilarious to hear Sidley call anyone else unethical, after their age discrimination and tax shelter problems. If I'm ever looking for some help laundering money I know who to call.

i worked with him at skadden DE. first guy to fail the DE bar twice in that office and was "fired" as a result.

also, hispanic jew, for the ones saying "not white."

edit to 642p: also, he is a complete douche.

I feel bad for the guy. He obviously did it to himself, but it's still a long way to fall.

I'm sure he's had this secret hanging over his head for a long time, so even though I'm sure his life is in shambles right now, I'm sure he'll find other work and bouce back just fine.

Might as well go back-pack around europe for a few months.

I know this d-bag. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Also, he failed the bar twice.

I think a random Chicago person would be unlikely to turn him in. A Chicago person who didn't like him (thought he was a douche, etc.) might have a reason to scrutinize his profile and would see the falsified information. Otherwise, I can't see how this would come out now, unless he confessed to someone.

F*** this guy. I'm a UofC grad and was in the bottom half of the class. I took my C's like a freaking man (albeit not as many as this guy) and managed a decent career out of it just the same, but didn't lie to put myself ahead of the curve.

Well put 12:45

"the problem with hispanics and AA is that hispanics cover the whole racial and socio-economic spectrum. "

That's actually the problem with AA in general, and why racial classifications of any type are idiotic.

Based on conversations with my friends, most people have as many A's on their transcripts as C's at U of C. This is why 80 percent of the class is in the 75-78 range.

I wonder how many people really have this bad of a transcript over there...

In larger classes, profs are required to give 10-15% As, 70-80% Bs and 10-15% Cs, and are also directed to keep a median of 77. Professors are suggested to keep a similar curve in seminars, but everyone knows the median is pushed up in smaller classes and there are a lot more As than Cs.

Also keep in mind that these medians include the 10% of so of the student body that's made up of LLMs, for many of whom English is not their primary language (and the admission criteria is also lower for the LLMs), so they tend to not do as well as the general student population. Although, they are great to party with!!

People always observe that the grades often appear random... people getting a low B or C in one class or an A in another, but having opposite levels of comfort going in. That said, the really smart ones (SCOTUS clerks, etc. tend to rise to the top on a regular basis) and the not so smart ones tend to fall.

So, this guy not getting a single grade about the median is pretty pathetic. Most people at the bottom tend to get at least one good grade, let alone a few above the median.

Guys at my high school used to forge their grades all the time, it was no big deal.

How does a guy graduate from U of C law school and fail the bar exam twice? As a Chicago-Kent grad who passed the bar exam on the first try, I am insulted.

11:21 -- The bar exam is a pretty low-level task. Chicago's pass rate is near 100%. This guy probably didn't work hard enough to know the law. You can't pass the bar exam without memorizing some law.

1. There is a "Edith Lowenstein" award--it's for immigration law. There's probably some small schiolarship for law students, too.

2. The Illinois Judicial Council gives small scholarships to minority students, so that's genuinely likely.

3. "Assistant Managing Editor" probably should be "Assistant to the Managing Editor" i.e., crappy work-study job helping make copies and maintain files.

4. It's funny that he's a member of the Delaware Bankruptcy American Inn of Court without being a member of the DE bar.

5. It would seem that the bar exam he (allegedly) failed twice was the DE bar rather than IL. DE's exam is harder than IL, but not as hard as NY.

6. May be that Sidley never found out--if he didn't accept the offer, he never delivered final transcripts, nor would Sidley necessarily have requested them.

7. re: Sidley--the shot about age discrimination may be fair, but the tax shelter non-sense was one rouge partner who was a Brown & Wood guy who lied to the partnership about continuing the issuance of opinions. He was supposedly hiding revenue, too.

It has been quite amusing to read the ridiculous comments made by people whom do not know or even care about Loren. He is a wonderful person and an extremely bright person. He has accomplished everything stated in his bio through pure perseverance. He made a mistake and has surpassed that part of his life. I am proud to call him my friend. You should all find something better to do with your time and energy than post hateful comments. May you never suffer the embarrassment of an ARDC complaint and the VIOLATION of your PRIVACY.

Keep you head up Loren.. We are by your side..

10:40am have you really been to law school???

LLMs are not included in the JD curve!

Agreed. 10:40. LLM's are not included in the curve at U of C. I don't know why people keep kicking that myth around.

Also: Professor Currie (rest in peace) and many others opted against applying the "required" 77 mean. I think the mean in his con law classes was like a 75.

2:47, you're wrong about #5. Consider the following overall pass rates:
NY DE
2004 67.5% 61%
2003 69.4% 64%
2002 67.5% 62%

Delaware is harder.

9:41-- that's only assuming the quality of the average DE applicant is the same as the quality of the average NY applicant

3:21 -- you're either high, or Loren himself. Flunking out of med school and concealing it, fabricating most of your law school transcript, probably fabricating other stuff on your resume, flunking bar exams and lying about it, and telling more lies one after the other to keep up the charade - that's less a "mistake," more an intentional scheme to defraud. I know him, don't share your views of his outstanding character. Getting his license suspended is a slap on the wrist. He should sell the movie rights to Leonardo DiCaprio.

12:18, if you're arguing that more idiots take the NY bar exam and bring the NY pass rate down from even higher levels, then I think it proves my point. After all, even the graduates of Delaware's own TTT often don't take the Delaware exam.

10:14- You are assuming facts not entered into evidence counsel. The first rule in any court of law is never to asume facts or ask questions you do not know the answer to. You should take a breather for you sound a but irate.

10:14--agreed. It's obvious this guys has serious character flaws which just don't disappear with time.

10:14--agreed. It's obvious this guys has serious character flaws which just don't disappear with time.

I am disturbed by the speculation that Friedman was admitted to law school by virtue of affirmative action. Where did that come from? The implication is that AA admits don't deserve to be admitted, even though other special factor (peace corps alum, military vet, alumni child, donor relative, etc.) admits do; that AA admits do poorly in school and that no one else does; and that AA admits are dishonest, as though no other person has lied on a law school application or in applying to a law firm for a job.

These implications are worse than disturbing. They are truly offensive.

2:47, is a rouge partner anything like a mascara partner?

2:47, is a rouge partner anything like a mascara partner?

I graduated from UOC law in 2006. It's a tough place to be. There have been pregnant students who were denied extensions on paper and finals. Mind you, I'm not talking about first trimester, I'm talking about women about to bust , who just needed some compassion. So that's the kind of place UOC is.

I myself have my fair share of Cs and I worked my but off for them (which is the sad part). You never know what was going on in Loren's life that might explain his grades. I know for a fact that UOC law can drive a person crazy. It is totally possible to just check out mentally and limp your way to graduation. However, lying about your grades is not worth the risk.

That being said, I think that the comments on this issue are further proof of the level of racist, close-minded, ignorant, unforgiving, miserable scum we have in this profession. Just validates my decision to get the fuck out and as far away from you scum bags as possible. (Clearly, I'm not talking about all of you, just most of you).

Loren, I don't know you. But I hope that you hang in there. UOC law is a crazy place and the profession we've entered into is even crazier.

Good Luck

For mercy's sake - you amazingly blind people who are defending Loren and attacking his detractors are no better than politicians who try to "spin" the truth. This is no "mistake". This is just someone who severely cheated the system and got caught. And making up grades is the lowest of the lowest of the low in the academic world.

So I guess its not a big deal to lie on your admissions. Its also not a big deal to fabricate your transcript. Integrity and dignity aren't that important so long as you can get by (though it doesn't look like he got by so well in law school with those grades) after stealing a spot in a pretigious law school and a prestigious law firm. For every Loren that happens, someone more deserving loses out on an opportunity. That person may be the child of a billionaire, but that person may also be the child of a welfare family who must provide for his/her extended family. Loren took what he did not deserve by doing something that is undeniably and completely wrong.

Why not just let every person lie in their admissions applications and make up whatever grades they want? So long as we can just get by somehow later in a law firm, then I guess no one is doing anything worth being criticized, right?

Loren seems to be a nice enough guy to warrant supporters who commend his "perseverance" (we know for certain one thing he persevered at) but that doesn't, in any way, excuse what he did or the responsibility, and resulting criticism, that he must accept.

Loren did the right thing in resigning right away, but yes, he deserves all of this current criticism. The most he should do is hope that this blows over soon and that he can somehow rebuild his life. In this forgiving and forgetful society, I don't doubt this will happen. But you Loren supporters do him more harm than good by making me (and the vast majority of people who consider this to be no mere "mistake") angry enough to keep this topic going. I understand what you Loren supporters are feeling. If someone close to me were to do something like this, I wouldn't like that person to become a public pariah and I would want to try to stand up for that person. But sometimes its just better to shut up when the whole world knows someone committed an indefensible act. Accountability and justice are not things that somehow don't apply to people you know or care about.

I would not have posted this nor would I have thought much more about this issue had it not been for 7:56 and in particular, 3:21. It is insulting to my intelligence to have to read such holier-than-thou drivel.

Ok what's the punishment?

Did the dean of the Chicago Law say anything about it? What does it mean by saying he apologized to the dean in 2003. So they knew the dismiss thing in 2003 already? And is that ok if someone just omitted a degree he earned in his law school application, even nothing bad happened during that degree program?

To the person that made the comment about affirmative action: Do Jewish men currently benefit from affirmative action? Perhaps you need to re-read the article, genius. The guy's name is Loren Friedman. A WHITE MALE that couldn't hack it med school or law school, and lied and cheated to get ahead.

To the person that made the comment about affirmative action: Do Jewish men currently benefit from affirmative action? Perhaps you need to re-read the article, genius. The guy's name is Loren Friedman. A WHITE MALE that couldn't hack it med school or law school, and lied and cheated to get ahead.