Nationwide Layoff Watch: No Severance at Sonnenschein?
Elliott Portnoy to WSJ: It’s all about the benjamins, baby.
No, that’s not a direct quote. But Elliott Portnoy, chairman of Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal, was quite candid in discussing the role played by profitability in his firm’s decision to lay off almost 40 lawyers and 90 staffers (a story we broke on Tuesday night). Portnoy spoke with Nathan Koppel of the WSJ Law Blog, who wrote:
Sonnenschein laid off lawyers whose practices have slowed, [Portnoy] says, to sustain the firm’s profit margins and overall profitability. It takes financial heft to pay competitive salaries for top lawyers, he says, and the firm has been focused heavily on partner recruiting. It hired 42 lateral partners last year, and is on pace to exceed that number in ‘08. To hunt for big game, in other words, it can’t afford to carry underperformers.“Business as usual isn’t an option, and we have to take the steps necessary to make sure we are competitive for talent,” Portnoy says. “A small group of firms are positioning themselves to pull away from the pack” in terms of profitability, “and we intend to be in that small group.”
For more on the Sonnenschein layoffs and what they reflect about the changing culture of law firms, see this Chicago Tribune article, by Ameet Sachdev.
Perhaps Sonnenschein’s bottom-line focus explains why it’s not paying severance to its “separated” lawyers. One of the affected individuals contacted us to complain about the lack of severance. We initially found that hard to believe, since the “market” severance package in Biglaw layoffs hovers around three months. But a firm spokesperson confirmed it for us.
Lawyers are receiving 60 days’ notice of their termination, but they are not receiving a formal severance package. Unlike some other firms — Paul Hastings, holla — Sonnenschein is not asking its lawyers to sign releases (which the laid-off lawyers probably wouldn’t sign anyway, since they’re not getting severance payments).
What’s the difference between two months of severance pay and 60 days notice? With the former, you get paid without having to work. “If you get severance, you can go out and get a contract job or take [another] lower paying position,” explained one laid-off Sonnenschein lawyer. “Severance makes it a little less painful.”
Staff members do have a formal severance plan. “Our staff are eligible for a severance package that is linked to their tenure with the firm and, accordingly, varies by individual based on service,” explained Mr. Portnoy. “All staff are also, of course, eligible for outplacement and related assistance.” Outgoing staff members must execute releases to receive payments under the plan, according to a firm spokesperson.
More about the Sonnenschein layoffs — some readers thought we went too easy on the firm, so we’d like to present their (harsher) side of the story — after the jump.
Our original tipster on the lack of severance had this reaction to learning that the firm confirmed: “I am surprised they admitted it. They are some of the most dishonest and manipulative people I have ever encountered.”
In his conversation with us, Elliott Portnoy debunked rumors that the firings were motivated by an imminent merger. But one source had this to say:
It is not a merger, but an acquisition by White & Case…. [I]t seems a bit strange and not very strategic. There is significant overlap between the cities. I don’t see how it makes sense for White & Case.
There is also some question about the extent of the layoffs. The firm said that it laid off 37 lawyers and 87 staffers, but sources claim that these numbers reflect only the people notified last week. There may be others who were told before last week to start looking for new jobs. For example, there were rumors of lawyer layoffs in the Charlotte office earlier this year.
As for the official numbers — 37 lawyers, 87 staff members — the Chicago Tribune offers some context:
The 37 fired attorneys at Sonnenschein represent about 5 percent of the firm’s 691 lawyers. Of the 37, six are partners, four are “of counsel” and 27 are associates, a firm spokeswoman confirmed. The Above the Law blog first reported Sonnenschein’s layoffs Tuesday night.The majority of the layoffs involved paralegals, secretaries and other administrative staff. The total of 124 represent about 7 percent of Sonnenschein’s workforce of more than 1,700 in 13 U.S. cities and Brussels.
The Chicago office, where the firm was founded, is its largest and was the hardest hit by the cuts. Ten lawyers and 30 support employees were let go out of a total of 691 employees in the Sears Tower.
Another source had this reaction to our post (which we’re happy to share; we appreciate constructive criticism):
I am disappointed that ATL comes off (to me at least) as just being a mouthpiece for Elliot Portnoy. There were some angles here that could have been explored in your article. E.g., Elliot moving the firm [in directions that caused] the firm financial problems; Elliot telling the firm three months ago that he was not expecting any layoffs….Elliot is slick, there is no doubt, but it’s hard to get at the truth through his sound bites in the article. Anyway, I am glad you posted it, even if there is a scent of Big Law capture here.
Fair enough. We will acknowledge one major shortcoming in our earlier post: we should have snarked on Elliott Portnoy’s use of “separated” as a euphemism for “laid off.” If that locution struck you as odd, you’re not alone. See this funny piece by Karen Donovan of Portfolio.
Still, even if the firm engaged in a certain amount of spin control, Sonnenschein deserves props for acknowledging what it is doing, and why. From the Tribune:
[F]irms risk their reputations by disclosing mass layoffs. Because of fierce competition for top law-school graduates, firms don’t want to send the message that associates are expendable. Downsizing also can be seen as a sign weakness in the market, making firms more vulnerable to poaching by rivals.“It does hurt recruiting for a period of time,” said Art Gunther, a Chicago legal recruiter. “But I give Sonnenschein credit for being upfront about the layoffs.”
If you have concrete information about sub silentio or “stealth” layoffs at other firms — we have plenty of gossip, but we’d like some facts — please email us (subject line: “Nationwide Layoff Watch”). Please note that we keep our tipsters anonymous (unless they request otherwise). Thanks.
Behind the Sonnenschein Layoffs: Pushing for Profitability [WSJ Law Blog]
Lawyers’ Separation Anxiety [Portfolio]
Profits trump legal custom [Chicago Tribune]
Earlier: Nationwide Layoff Watch: Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal Separates 37 Lawyers, 87 Staff
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Sonnenschein conclusively puts to rest any notion that it is not a TTT. Despicable.
So they confirmed that this has nothing to do with the economy, but everything to do with getting the PPP into the seven figure range. Trim the fat, bring in lateral partners with hefty business, don't pay off people getting the boot. Cold, hard profitability.
Good luck recruiting, SNR
How speculative is the acquisition of Sonnenschein by White & Case?
Why is it that when ATL breaks a story, it seems the people directly involved run immediately to WSJ Law Blog to give an interview? (see, again, Paul Hastings)
A White and Case acquisition actually makes sense. White and Case has few US offices and nothing in Chicago. It would make White and Case considerably bigger in the US.
Right or wrong, they have a vision and they are not shy about it. At least they know where they want to go. We shall see if it works out or not. Also, Portnoy can spin it any way he wants. But, alot of real estate people were canned, and that is one of the slowest areas right now. I have a hard time believing that didn't play some role here.
And the liberal douches are early to the party. ATL's comments are only good for laughing at the liberal douches, so thanks for not disappointing so far.
1:48(3) - WTF? Are you sure you're not mistaking ATL for Atrios or DailyKos? Asshat douche.
I think 1:48 must be referring to some other post.
1:53 and 2:00, the first three posts were typical liberal douch anti-capitalist screed. See also every comment section on Duhversity for more liberal douchiness.
No severence at all? What a bunch of dipshits.
"An ability to handle complex, cross-border matters distinguishes White & Case from many other firms."
Looks like they are trying to become the Chicago version of Cadwalader.
Guys at my high school used to get laid off all the time without severance packages. It was no big deal. Can I get a hug?
-Frat Stud
Why wouldn't you use those 60 days to quickly wrap up all projects, take a vacation, and interview for jobs, maybe coming to the office once a week to check voice/e-mail?
There is no obligation to do real work; remember, you were fired.
This would never fly in Sparta, Mississippi.
I agree w/2:41. Call it severance, or call it two months of work. Nobody expects the Associates to be on track for 2000 hours during those two months. Seriously. It beats being walked to the curb by security on the day you're informed that you're out.
I agree w/2:41. Call it severance, or call it two months of work. Nobody expects the Associates to be on track for 2000 hours during those two months. Seriously. It beats being walked to the curb by security on the day you're informed that you're out.
What a rancid toilet
I am fairly new to this site, but from this topic alone it appears to attract a number of malcontents, haters and other poorly-endowed attorneys. Were some of you abused in law school or what? This is a bad economy folks. Get over it.
@ 2:49PM
Welcome SNR partner!!!
I for one appreciate Eliott Portnoy's honesty - this is what it's all about folks - profitabilty - if you liberal turds don't like it, work for legal aid.
- reality check
I don't know why there would be any anti-capitalist sentiment about this. Like a good market, this information is available to all who are searching the job market. If you want to work in a place like this, have at it. If not, go work somewhere else. Demand for working there will, of course, suffer, since they treat their workers poorly. So they will recruit fewer top-tier associates, and the firm as a whole will suffer (if having top-tier associates matters for the firm as a whole.) Hooray for markets! Hooray for information in markets! Hooray for Sonnenschein! Hooray for ATL! (Also, if I were a rising 2L, I would not go near that place with a ten-foot pole.)
kudos 2:53. But you cannot say anything without being accused of being an SNR attorney or being affiliated with one of the big, bad guys. The liberal turds will, well, take a turd on you.
"Liberal douch anti-capitalist screed"? Clearly your understanding of "capitalism" is as lacking as your intellect.
2:41, it'd be stupid to take vacation because they have to pay it out when they fire you. Just "work from home" a lot more often.
3:01, so what am I missing smart guy?
I left SNR in October 2007 and was so happy to get out! I'm sorry I waited so long to exit SNR. Not the best place to work if you are part of the support staff
I left SNR in October 2007 and was so happy to get out! I'm sorry I waited so long to exit SNR. Not the best place to work if you are part of the support staff
I left SNR in 2007 and was so happy to get out! I'm sorry I waited so long to exit SNR. Not the best place to work if you are part of the support staff
I'm not 3:01, but equating any criticism of SNR with anti-capitalism is simplistic and silly.
The beef here is that SNR is not paying as much as other firms do. To take another example, Wachtell pays more than most firms -- does that make Wachtell anti-capitalist in your little world?
You're like a kid with a hammer. Everything looks like a nail to you.
Liberals = coddlers. Tough times call for a thinning of the herd. Every biglaw firm carries a lot of dead weight - attorneys, paras, support staff - and this is a good time to show them the door. I admire SNR for doing what they have to do to stay profitable. I am sure they are not letting go of their best talent. Just doing a little spring cleaning.
Hey SNR peeps:
Just come in at exactly 9. Leave at 6 at the latest. Take a full hour for lunch. Maybe even take summers out to lunch for 2-3 hours. Don't 'look' for assignments. Use all your vacation, if they'll 'approve' it, and sick days if they won't. And of course, you should forget your blackberry in your office for those last 60 days.
etc. etc. etc.
Attempts to characterize the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this ridiculous policy as "liberal" are insulting and childish.
It's all about the dollars, sure. But by casting aside notions of professionalism and comraderie at an objectively stinkhole of a firm, how are these people going to retain their own top performers? Why would anyone want to work for these people? Even the comparisons to Cadwalader are spurious, since at least Cadwalader is profitable.
Only sub-par people would go to work for this firm.
4:00 - Are you kidding me? How about 10 - 2, 3 times a week with a 4 hour lunch.
doesn't make sense to use up vacation and sick days when there's no need to work for next 60 days - what will firm do, fire you?! accrue the time and take the cash at end of employment.
Do some volunteering for a presidential campaign.
4:03, hey there liberal douche!! You asked some easy questions there, and even provided the answer yourself! Neat trick!
"It's all about the dollars, sure. But by casting aside notions of professionalism and comraderie at an objectively stinkhole of a firm, how are these people going to retain their own top performers?"
Answer: By paying them well.
"Why would anyone want to work for these people?"
Answer: These people pay them well.
Enough already. I am an SNR associate, here in the trenches. I'm a little closer to the situation than you are. This is not a "stinkhole of a firm," a "rancid toilet" or Douche Bag Central, as many of you obviously believe. I am honestly shocked by the gutteral reaction some people feel about the lay-offs. Maybe it's because our generation has never felt a pinch in our field. This group has to be reasonably intelligent. But to sling such harsh insults about a company and its people that outsiders apparently know very little about--especially knowing what we know about the economy-- is foolish. I hope your own law firms will escape this economy unscathed because karma is a big, fat B. And remember, SNR hires only top lawyers and law students so it's not like we've just let bottom-of-the-class dwellers loose. Our soon to be former collegues are tough and smart and they are whining way less than you people are.
this is 4:00
@4:08: I'm with ya, but Portnoy & SNR might use that as an excuse to just fire you right then. You arrive at 10 or leave at 2 and then they pull out the employee handbook and say you aren't following rules re: office hours. So your 'severance' is now gone. I'm sure they'd love to screw associates out of those last few dollars. Unless of course you think Portney grew a heart in the last couple hours...
@4:14 if you're at SNR LA or SV, sure. But only Cali ensures that people get their vacation time. Outside of that, it's not compensation and they don't owe you a dime for the stuff you don't use if that's the way they count it per firm regulations. So if you are at SNR Chicago, use it or lose it bro. (Aside: Remember that the Paul Hastings associate was in CA. So she turned down 3 months severance for taking probably 1-1.5 months of vacation time and being able to say F off. Lower cost to 'integrity/revenge' than if she was in Chicago.)
Oh, and SNR sucks.
I am not 3:01 either but I will try to help, classical liberalism is a doctrine stressing individual freedom and limited government. The "normative core" of classical liberalism is the idea that laissez-faire economics will bring about a spontaneous order or invisible hand that benefits the society.
SNR owes their non-partner attorneys nothing as at-will employees, and that includes no notice, no "severance" and no sick time payout. They bluntly announced over a year ago that they plan to raise PPP dramatically and they are cleaning house to make it happen. Pure money - that's how it goes. That being said, it will hurt recruiting and image. Portnoy doesn't seem to care, since he will be making so much more. Such is life.
4:29, are you Rip van Winkle or something? The term "liberal" hasn't meant an adherent of classical liberalism in quite some time.
4:30 nailed it.
That source that doesn't think a White and Case acquisition would make sense should look at NALP.
White & Case has almost no US presence outside of the East Coast (NY, DC, Miami). They have nothing in Chicago. Sonnenschein's only significant overlap with this is NY and DC. Both have LA offices, but Sonnenscheins is actually larger. Both also have Silicon Valley practices, but I don't think anyone complains about too much IP work these days.
It's actually not that bad an idea, although I would shudder if I was in Sonnenschein's NY or DC offices. White & Case has also been doing some things that seem to indicate they are thinking about expansion. Their summer class is enormous, and that's not just 2007 hangover. They also, and I have very reliable knowledge of this, went on an introduction tour of Midwest law schools last fall. That doesn't make sense with their traditional hiring profile, but it does make sense if they want to open up a Chicago office.
The resulting firm would be a bleeping monster, though. 3,000 lawyers.
Portnoy is clueless if he thinks he will be part of that small pack. Sonnenschein is not a top firm and not even a top Chicago firm. It WAS mid-tier Chicago. Now, it will not be able to get the low in the class HLS or honors top 20 kids with attitude like no 3 months package. Or junior partners on the way up with the firing of 6 partners and 4 of counsel (who were thinking they were just waiting a year to be partner).
But Portnoy doesn't really believe this anyways, unless he's delusional (again, a possibility). He's just gonna reap the rewards in admin until he gets forced out and the firm is worse off and crippled for years. See also CWT and Link - but much much worse.
But any law student this fall with an offer at another biglaw firm that pays market should not go to SNR. Not to say there aren't great lawyers there, because there are, but it is a bad business move.
4:42 again
oh, and Pornoy is still delusional if he thinks White & Case plus Sonny can be a global player on the order of Skadden etc. It wouldn't even be Jones Day or as good at the British firms inching into the US. And the stench of being all about the benjamins and screwing the assocaites would fit right in at W&C (esp. their foreign offices.)
I don't get the "all about the benjamins" comment. Can someone fill me in?
Pornoy is delusional if he thinks that White & Case wouldn't treat an acquisition as exactly that. The brands aren't even close to comperable.
Sunshine would get absorbed and if you couldn't have gotten a job at White & Case instead and you are fungible, you're gonna be gone.
google it 4:56
honestly, in this day and age, if you don't know something, google it before asking anyone. Hate to be a dick, but that advice makes up for my attitude.
and if you don't know, now ya know, *******
Some firms are so backwards. Here's the secret, Portnoy: Focus on improving the factors that made you successful in the first place--rather than trying to just make more money. Greed is a repellant, especially to partners with big books of business. Making more money is almost a natural byproduct of other factors, not an end-goal in itself.
So 5:20, you are saying that a firm will make more money only by not trying to make more money. But what if the firm knows this and purposefully does not try to make more money so that it can make more money? Will the firm in fact not make more money?
5:01- thanks for the sage advice. If you're an self-professed dick, you must be an SNR partner. Joke!
Anyone wishing they went to medical school?
5:34
if i was a SNR partner i'd be saying mo money mo problems. or fewer associates fewer billable hours.
med school sucks. HMOs capping fees. higher mal pal insurance (though still not that high really). 4 years of school then 2-4 years of residency at TTT paralegal wages and NYC associate hours.
I feel I shoulda learned to throw a knuckleball and try to be tim wakefield.
5:28 - You said "So 5:20, you are saying that a firm will make more money only by not trying to make more money."
Not exactly. I'm saying that when firm focuses primarily on making money to the detriment of other factors (factors, aside from just making $, that contributed to its success in the first place), a firm is the victim of its own success.
I also think your posting was pretty funny (assuming it was intended to be).
SNR thinks and wants to be a top firm but its only a third-rate firm and will always be a third-rate firm
This place is going the way of Brobeck Phleger & Harrison. Partners are getting greedy, screw the support staff! And we all know what happened to BPH.
"And remember, SNR hires only top lawyers and law students so it's not like we've just let bottom-of-the-class dwellers loose."
Seriously? In what universe does SNR hire "top lawyers"? Top 20 kids wouldn't touch this place with a 10 foot pole, unless they were below the median.
How are these guys "paying laterals well"? SNR's PPP isn't particularly impressive. The only way this blueprint works is by the firm screwing over its own.
Top lawyers, yeah right. lawyers with degrees from online law schools.
424, we wouldn't be acting with AS MUCH hostility if SNR hadn't rescinded offers to incoming summers and associates. That's the lowest of the low, and now Porty boy pulls this shit.
Oh, and I used to work for a SNR office, and there were a number of douchebags and idiots in the group.
I have been told that Portnoy is the greediest of partners and this surely confirms it. Does anyone realize that he's a lobbyist and not a real lawyer? Maybe that is why he has such an easy time playing PR spinmaster. The lack of severance is utterly disgusting. I hope this firm craters a la Brobeck.
Oh, if White & Case told SNR to do this, or knew about it and gave it the go ahead, or even didn't tell them to stop, etc. etc. AND THEY ACQUIRE SNR, well White & Case goes from formerly white shoe sweatshop to TTT firm immediately. And we should all remember how they treat people who don't fit in their plans (like S&S back in the day, even V20 firms can be TTT about layoffs)
White & Case is certainly thinking Midwest. They are going with some pretty generous, by V20 standards, cutoffs for interviews at the Midwest school job fair in NYC (Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota). Their summer class is also *huge*.
If they are the elephant in the room on this Sonnenschein stuff, it is a big deal, both for what that says about both firms, the implications for Chicago, and the size of the resulting organism, ~ 3000 lawyers and rivaling Skadden in revenue.
So now it's anti-capitalist to shop your services to the highest bidder in a competitive market? News to me.
It's amazing how many clueless people frequent this board. It's even more amazing that many of you graduated (or more likely currently attend) law school. If you don't perform at biglaw, you are shown the door (especially in the era of $160k starting salaries). Newsflash - Any business is more likely to cut staff when the economy is poor. Shocking!
Another newsflash - There are very few first year lawyers worth $160k. You people seem to think that doing well at a first tier law school ENTITLES you to a lifetime job, even if your economic performance consistently hovers around the bottom 5% of the lawyers at your firm.
A firm benefits by cutting the bottom 5% of their lawyers/staff. Sonnenschein went public with it. I can assure you that this is happening all over biglaw. If you think you can survive in the bottom 5-10% at Skadden, Kirkland, Meyer, etc., HAVE AT IT!!!
Anyone else think it's strange that they fired 6 partners? Do they have some kind of weak junior "partner" level aka senior associate?
Hey 10:41 aka Dwight Schrute: go fuck yourself. You are the clueless one. Biglaw isn't the jungle you describe it to be. Talk to some bankers or traders about their jobs and then see if you're still pushing your ridiculous tough guy act. We don't have all the numbers but while some firms have laid off a significant number, it appears that many other firms have laid off few to none. So its not wrong or "entitled" to call out the firms that have laid off large numbers, especially when the firm doesn't even provide severance.
In addition to being a pussy you are also poorly schooled in economics. In a free market, people are worth what they are paid. First years are worth 160K. I know firms love to say that they "take a loss" on junior associates, but even if that is true in a very basic sense (i.e. maybe they don't quite bill enough that year to cover their pay) they are also being paid to join the firm in the first place because they'll be worth more later. Firms aren't paying them that salary to be charitable. They're paying them because that's what the market values them at....i.e. that is what they are worth.
If you think you can survive in an industry that pays you well from the very beginning and where your odds of keeping your job in a recession are better than 90%.....HAVE AT IT!!!
9:16 are you for real? You don't think all biglaw firms will make the same or similar cuts some way some how? It's just a matter of how and when those cuts are executed. 10:41 said it perfectly. and what was SNR (and others who have been the firsts to cut?)supposed to do? Lull summer associates in Charlotte into thinking they had a job at the end of the summer when all other factors say otherwise? It is a far worse offense to squander a law student's final summer to find a job, knowing full well there's not a shot in hell there's a place for them at summer's end. And this, my bleeding heart friend, is precisely what many, many big law firms have plotted. Talk to you in August, sugar.
11:31, I agree with some of what you say, but you lose any credibility you might have had by resorting to junior high school talk. And why are you all bitter sounding? Keep it above board and people will take you more seriously. Come on. I know you have a better vocabulary than that. Talk nice.
All things being equal, it is an easier decision to terminate a non-performing associate making $160k than a non-performing associate making $100k.
11:48 - fair enough, I'll talk nicer but understand that I was addressing someone who wasn't talking very nicely. 10:41 uses cleaner language than me but basically speaks down to people throughout his/her entire post. And I would say that is a very typical tone on these boards, i.e. nice on the outside but nasty underneath. So for me to respond to that with the occasional four-letter word shouldn't be too harsh.
11:31
No 1139, I don't think all biglaw firms will make similar cuts. Are you honestly telling me that Cravath is going to have to deal with the same lack of work problems that Sonnenschein has? How about Wachtell? This is all about the fact that SNR is a shit firm that can't bring in enough work. Good firms won't need to make SNR-esque cuts.
And rescinding offers to incoming first years and summers is f*cking drastic. Firms never do it first because it completely f*cks that person's career. Secondly, because of the fact that such an action will f*ck your career, it's the kiss of death for recruiting. No rational law student would go to Sonnenschein now unless they had no other offers.
So what if there wasn't any work in Charlotte? The firm should have offered them spots in the other offices. If I were one of those 4 people, I would have gone anywhere and worked in any practice area to avoid having my career destroyed. It's highly unlikely the 3Ls are going to find anything in biglaw because hiring season is over. They probably have 6 figure debt to boot. Now wtf are they going to do? The summers are probably similarly screwed, though at least they have a shot at 3L OCI. In conclusion, SNR is an exceptionally rancid toilet and no one should ever go to that firm unless they have no other offers.
Fifteen, twenty years ago SNR was known as the last and best of Chicago's elite Jewish firms. Its lawyers were among the best in the city, and they made a lot of money representing loyal second- and third-generation clients owned by folks who grew up with them in the same neighborhoods. No one had to work too hard. It was a good and happy life.
The old SNR is dead, although a handful of old-timers still have offices at the firm. The new SNR is an ad hoc assembly of recent laterals with still-portable business who are trying to figure out a reason to stay together. My guess is that in today's market no such reason exists, although it may take a few years for the bells to peal.
This is to all that have posted. Are You Kidding!! So
what that you got laid off, SORRY. Wait, don’t you
have a JD? I guess that is as good as toilette paper.
HA HA! Guess you can hang that in the can for an
emergence wipe. If you can’t pull your self up by the
bootstraps then you were not much of an professional
anyway . Why would you rely on someone else to give
you the opportunity to make a living? Did you not
learn any thing in the last seven years? I guess you
all still want MOMMY and DADDY to pay the bill. I bet
most of you that had student loans still have them,
and I bet you don't even pay the minimum amount due. I am also sure that most of you drive cars that you are
so upside down in that if even if you sold it you
would be $$$ in the hole. I know this because you are
the dumb butts that buy the houses I build. Yes, I
have a JD, and I was an officer of the courts and gave
it up because of all the BS that came with knowing
that our clients tell us things that we have to keep
locked away. This is after the fact that even though
we know the PRICK is guilty as HELL, THE VAST MAJORITY
OF US FEEL THEY SHOULD ROT THERE! There comes a time
when you have to decide just what makes you as a
human, HAPPY AND FULFILLED! LOVE YOUR FAMILY, THEY ARE
THE ONES THAT MATTER IN THE END!!! Your upper
management really does not GAS (give a shit). Let's
realize that we all all expendable and replaceable.
They will find some other dill smack to fill in for
whatever it was you did. THE TRUTH HURTS. LILI! (LIVE
IT LEARN IT)
My finial peace to all. DAVE RAMSEY RULES. Don’t be a
slave to the lender.
LIVE LIKE NO ONE ELSE
SO YOU CAN LIVE LIKE NO ONE ELSE