Monica Goodling to being a real lawyer!!!

NO SPELLCHECK FOR YOU?

Just demolish the whole school along with its other TTT counterparts. Bring some respect back to the profession by making it actually an achievement to get into a law school.

Considering some schools that the ABA considers in compliance, the bar is pretty low. One only needs to look at the multitudes outside the US News Top 100 to see that standards are liberally construed.

Just look at Whittier's past bar rates for an example

Congrats, Ave Maria. My only beef is that you and Regent (and George Mason) concentrate Christians and right-wingers, leaving my law school that much more full of godless communists. But way to go on staying accredited.

All of the other law school Deans send out letters like this, right? HLS Dean circulates the annual, "Whoosh, big relief, guys - we are still accredited!"

5:25, don't forget Jerry Falwell's TTT Liberty (provisionally accredited)...

amen.

4:43 - Monica Goodling went to Regent Law (Protestant), not Ave Maria (Catholic).

Ave Maria is associated with people like Bob Bork, the former D.C. Circuit judge and Solicitor General, who taught at Yale. Regent is not as distinguished.

In legal education, Catholics > Protestants.

In finding a job, Catholic TTT = Protestant TTT.

6:50 - someone has to be GC of domino's!

Ave Maria didn't really belong in the fourth tier until the the Florida business and the firing of professors (congrats Tulane, be sure to sign up for Admin Law / Fed Courts) pushed away the top 25% of the incoming students. But I can't imagine how the ABA could come to this conclusion now.

Someday the ABA is going to run roughshod over some liberal bastion of hope...what then ATL??

Ave Maria a "bastion of hope" - you're a comic genius Wade. You should have your own website. You could call it Wade Blogs, co-host it with Margo Adams, and sell indulgences/pizza packages on the side. Six months off time in purgatory with every deep-dish, double-cheese purchase.

"Ave Maria, gee it's great to see ya."

6:16: Don't forget Scalia... he helped create Ave Maria's curriculum, and I believe C.Thomas has lectured there.

As a member of the ABA, I'm ashamed our standards have dropped so low. With the crappy attorneys coming from Regent, we don't need another diploma mill like Ave Maria feeding conservatives incompetent "pur God back into the law" types fouling up our profession. And this is not religious bigotry, I'm a former Catholic.

Dear Law Students,

Good news! Your Ave Maria law degree is now worth (slightly) more than the paper it's written on. Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.

Yours in Christ,

The Noid

"And this is not religious bigotry, I'm a __former__ Catholic."

lol, typical ABA logic.

"And this is not religious bigotry, I'm a __former__ Catholic."

If anything, this cuts the other way...

You left out some important facts that can mislead readers, so I will set the record straight:

1. Last year, the ABA dismissed all but one of the many complaints the dissident faculty made to the ABA;

2. The ABA NEVER concluded that Ave Maria violated any ABA standards; and

3. This week’s news of the ABA’s determination that the school is in compliance with all standards vindicates the school administration and deals a heavy blow to the dissident faculty.

You left out some important facts that can mislead readers, so I will set the record straight:

1. Last year, the ABA dismissed all but one of the many complaints the dissident faculty made to the ABA;

2. The ABA NEVER concluded that Ave Maria violated any ABA standards; and

3. This week’s news of the ABA’s determination that the school is in compliance with all standards vindicates the school administration and deals a heavy blow to the dissident faculty.

You left out some important facts that can mislead readers, so I will set the record straight:

1. Last year, the ABA dismissed all but one of the many complaints the dissident faculty made to the ABA;

2. The ABA NEVER concluded that Ave Maria violated any ABA standards; and

3. This week’s news of the ABA’s determination that the school is in compliance with all standards vindicates the school administration and deals a heavy blow to the dissident faculty.

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sorry - no intent to post 3 times

10:22

The ABA is not terribly selective over which schools they choose to accredit. The ABA determination that Ave Maria is in compliance with their "standards" is not really saying much at all.

It is correct, David, that the school must still receive aquiescence for the move, but this resolution totally paves the way for that. Advantage: AMLS. Hello, Naples.

TEAM DOBRANSKI !!!!!!!!!

I suppose you could say it 'vindicates the administration,' but extremely incompetent administration caused the original problem, so any feelings of 'vindication' should be very minimal. As someone who had high hopes for Ave Maria, the whole situation has been a disgrace.

Those sounds you hear in the distance are actually exploding heads of the self-righteous band of folks in Ann Arbor who thought they would bring the whole school down because they didn’t get their way. Thank you, ABA.

How do you get an Ave Maria grad off your porch? Tip him for the pizza.

Only a complete moron would go to Ave.

-Boko Fittleworth, Ave '05

I cannot understand how AMSL could remain accredited after Dobranski continued to serve over the objection of a majority of the faculty. Unless the ABA conditioned accreditation on Dobranski's ouster. He resigned (well, "resigned") in, what, February?

If that's the case, it's still disappointing that the ABA is apparently ready to act as though the problems at AMSL are gone. They're not. But at least Dobranski no longer plagues the building.

Orsi's ridiculous emails about Dobranski's health make me think it's even more likely that Dobranski did not step down for health reasons. Even with a bum ankle you can sit around making up career-destroying lies about your faculty members.

You also left out the fact that half the class at Ave tries to transfer out year after year after year.

First off this investigation was never about the academic quality of the law school and Ave Maria has never been a diploma mill. The quality of education there is just as good as any other law school and in fact better than some. So you elitists should seriously look into the law school before making any other statements that you can't back up. Ave Maria is only 8 years old after all and it takes some time to build a reputation, but to summarily dismiss the efforts and abilities of students that go to Ave Maria is absurd. Talk to a representative sample at least before doing that. Yes the school does have a conservative bent, but the only issues it is really ideological about are abortion and to a lesser extent gay marriage. You can easily find a decent number of liberals and democrats attending it. Yes the administration has been more interested in self-destruction than building a law school of late, but if you actually investigated the law school you'll find that it is no diploma mill.

That's b/c no one actually bothers to do any real research anymore, and the blogs have empowered Joe Peanut with his plaid Simpsons boxers and case of wine coolers to be able to speak like his opinion is worthy of 5 seconds. Before the crisis Ave was a very good 4T, and it's a shame that this conundrum has struck it (although most of the damage is self inflicted). But as always, law revolves around the good ole boys, but in the end it's neither here nor there, now is it?

Ave/Regent/GMU/Liberty:

Don't pray in my law school and I won't think in your church.

lol, that was the stupidest comment I've ever read. You go to law school?

11:54- I agree, screw Catholics. Not like they helped spread Western culture, the idea of learning, or the idea of the university. Really, they've done nothing, and their antiquated views need to be thrown out. I mean imagine the world without them...Germanic languages, no schools, and barely any moral ethic! Sounds awesome to me!

All this means, is my class just got f'ed. Our JD degree isn't going to mean jack crap when we graduate. Holding the bag for somebody else *sigh*, should of transferred.

Whoever thought that getting into law school is an accomplishment is an idiot. An accomplishment is surviving law school, passing the bar, swearing in, and surviving your first problem client without doing anything to lose your law license.

Seriously, every law school in this country has substantially the exact same curriculum and follows the exact same method of teaching law. How is one so much better than another? The elitists in this profession need to get over themselves.