Guys at my high school took the bar exam and failed all the time, it was no big deal.

I hope all the bar takers enjoy their drinks. Following the California Bar (at the Oakland location), I hopped a flight to Vegas was drinking at the blackjack table within three hours. Now that was relaxing.

Kudos to you #3. That is the way to celebrate (i.e., not stressing yourself out by rehashing every question on ATL).

MBE sucked. VA essays mostly sucked. I wish I could say I passed. Not so sure.

I failed. MA secured transactions? Kill me.

The worst part of the bar exam was the beginning of the MPT on day 1. Just sitting there knowing that I had 2 full days of this ahead of me sucked.

The worst part of the bar exam was the beginning of the MPT on day 1. Just sitting there knowing that I had 2 full days of this ahead of me sucked.

Just took Texas. They had the gall to put an oil & gas issue on two of the twelve essays. why? why?

Good luck July bar takers.

Relax and enjoy some well deserved time off.

Overwhelming odds are you passed.

QUESTION: Any update on the BarBri class action suit?

Lat, way to kill comments on a thread.

Realistically, I do not recall any posts that verbatim repeated any test questions.

Worst. Summer. Ever.

Sure hope I never have to do that again.

My comment has nothing to do with the Bar exam, but with the Autoadmit civil action.

I am quite happy that Mr. Ciolli refused to more closely monitor his site. If he had caved, my own blog, which had been commented on and was reposted on the Autoadmit site, may not have received the attention that it did.

Why dear god do we have to wait until NOVEMBER to find out the results??? WHY?

I guess everyone is out drinking, huh? Took NJ today. I thought it was easier than NY if only for the format. The Crim question kind of came out of nowhere and the contracts needed an effing flow chart to even read the question, let alone my answer but all the other stuff was pretty straight forward I thought. The evidence question was cake. Not that it matters how I did because my MBE score will be low that I'll be back in Feb!

Never listen to Bar/Bri's predictions. In VA, their instructor who supposedly knew what would be on there was horribly wrong. Though I can't blame him that much, the topic selection was strange.

None or little of Domestic Relations, Corporations, Local Government Law and PR. And Fed Civ Pro was probably worth the most out of anything with an entire essay and 1/4th the short answer questions.

Lat, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in you for this latest post. I would have thought that you would relished a fight with NYBEX or anyone else who wants to force your hand to reveal info on posters. Yet you seem to be conceding even before NYBEX comes after you that you'll cough up ID info on anonymous posters. If you don't issue a quick and strong clarification of that, I for one am never going to post again on this site, and I suspect that many others won't either.

What I would EXPECT you to say in this situation is something like the following: "Rest assured, I will fight tooth and nail before I ever reveal identifying information about anonymous posters on ATL. Your anonymity is what makes this site possible, and there is nothing short of a direct order from a court of last resort that would make me even THINK about revealing identifying information about posters on ATL."

If I do not read something like this from you personally soon, I will know that my identity is not safe and will never again post anything that I wouldn't write in my own name, and will certainly never leak anything to you in the future.

NJ class actions? Thanks BarBri, was I the only one in the dark on that one?

the Bar Exam = TTT

Go to Wisconsin.

6 -- you failed the Passachusetts bar?

You should just cry a puddle of TTTears. You've reached rock bottom.

Dear 18:

Unless you posted verbatim bar questions or answers I don't think you have anything to worry about.

One caveat though:

Unless you are an off the record tipster who has been promised confidentiality, you have no right to expect that your identity will not ultimately be revealed to a litigant. (In such cases, Lat has promised confidentiality.)

That is not the same thing as an "anonymous" blog comment, i.e., although ATL would probably resist any subpoena, if the court orders the disclosure it orders the disclosure. In addition, (apparently) actual identity information can be obtained from your ISP, after a first subpoena determines the ISP of the poster.

A good rule to follow is never post a comment you would not sign your name to, and just because it is "anonymous" does not mean you have carte blanch to disparage someone--particularly someone who is not a public figure—or that your identity can never be discovered.

I was lost too on nj class action

19 - nope. everyone I talked to was not prepared for that. I had to try to think back to first year civ pro and just bsed through it - I said that it didn't matter if the employees or their harms were different in hours worked or amount of damaged suffered as long as the kind of damage and employees were similar but the best solution would be to break the class into more manageable classes. It was really just my opinion on what the law should be; have no idea if I got close or not.

A forty-something guy sitting near me had two pictures of his cat propped up on his desk during all three days of the exam. I think it was a zen sort of thing.

I definitely failed thanks to the slaughter that was the MBE.

See you in Feb!

Not so fast 26.

25 -- It wasn't zen; it was to tank those around him. He knew you'd stare at the pussy all day, and thus fail to spot critical issues.

21 - unfortunately for my school I went to a T30 school.

- 6

The Wisconsin bar had a proctor in the typing room who was drunk with power and had 4" orange fingernails. Because of her, about half the examinees only got 20 minutes for lunch on the first day.

exam soft can suck my hairy balls. oh and so can california for putting a case in the performance test that was hard to spell and didn't realize i was misspelling until 2 hours into the test.

handwrote 90% of the california bar because exam soft sucks. someone buy me a drink!

Indiana Bar wasn't horrible, though the MBE did suck. I had test number 15 and the morning session was horrendous, afternoon was better. Lots of over-confident people in the room. The Indiana passage rate for first time takers is between 83-87 percent the last few years. At the beginning of the second day, the girl next to me looked over and said: "I'm not really worried, I've never been in the bottom 13% of anything I've ever did."

My thought was, yeah me neither, along with 95% of the people in this room, so you do the math.

Indiana Bar wasn't horrible, though the MBE did suck. I had test number 15 and the morning session was horrendous, afternoon was better. Lots of over-confident people in the room. The Indiana passage rate for first time takers is between 83-87 percent the last few years. At the beginning of the second day, the girl next to me looked over and said: "I'm not really worried, I've never been in the bottom 13% of anything I've ever done."

My thought was, yeah me neither, along with 95% of the people in this room, so you do the math.

30 -- why would anyone sit for the Wisconsin bar???

34-if you didn't go to law school in Wisconsin

34-

Anyone from Wisconsin or with a job offer in Wisconsin.

The real Q is why Lat sat for the NJ + NY bar exams, let alone back-to-back.

Barbri's predictions regarding the simulated MBE they administered in early July compared to actual exam performance frighten me, they claimed a 20-30 raw point bump, on average, which given the difficulty of Barbri's exam and the difficulty of the actual MBE, any my feeling after both of them, I don't expect... I was about average on the simulated exam, so I don't know if I remained an average test-taker, or remained at that same level of understanding while others rose above me, thus becoming below average.

Based on others past experiences, I gather that people do do much better on the real thing--but given our reactions, it is hard for me to imagine why--the gimmies that Barbri didn't have as many of? Questions being thrown out? The experimentals? The curve? All of the above?

I really don't know what to make of the experience--I feel fine about the NY essays (i.e. that I racked up at least 5 points on each, average) but the MBE is such a gamble. I don't feel like celebrating because I don't know whether I passed. I can't help but worry that bfps will haunt my dreams in the months to come and that I haven't heard the last of guns at block parties and gang leaders too sick to loot.

37: lol. awesome. the gang leader too sick to loot. what a wuss. did he have a tummy ache? that's what I think he had and that makes him a wuss

37 i feel the same way you do, but i am celebrating. personally, i know i took it seriously and studied my ass off for the thing. there's nothing more i can do at this point, i just have to wait for the results in November. the MBE was tough, but shit.. it's the MBE. the fact that we realized how tough it was means we were spotting the issues, and realized what a close call some of these were.

go out and have a drink and relax. its alright, i bet you pass.

I'm drunk right now. Will drink more later. Hate the bitch in CT who kept writing after the proctor called time. Also hated the fact that conflicts, fed jur, secured trannies all showe dup back to back plus a 1983 question (had no fucking idea what 1983 was...made up a lie). NY was better than CT. Believeitornot.

33, I had the same test as you.

That thing made me its bitch.

The gang leader that was too sick to loot makes me smile.

Thanks 39, I put in a lot of study as well so I'm hoping karma rewards me. Plus the statistics are on my side... time to put some vodka in me belly.

-37

I think 40 of the first 50 questions on my test involved a mortgage. I kept wondering if the other subjects had been mistakenly left out of the test.

the guy next to me spent only 45 minutes each on both MPTs. How can you get away with that.

Congrats to those who just took the bar! I hope you're all out getting drunk and getting laid.

You earned it and you should have a big release to remember (or even to regret) because either way it will keep you motivated this fall when things get tough in the real world.

Good luck kids!

I think the parade of mortages was the Bar Examiners' attempt to be socially relevant.

I also thought there was a curious disparity in Cs during the AM session. Steve Rubin, BarBri NY head-honcho, has suggested that test-takers mark C when unsure. I thought the exam was key-balanced (also per BarBri) but I couldn't help but wonder if they'd caught on to the ploy and steered clear of C answers.

Secured trannies? That sounds pretty kinky. What were they wearing anyway?

I'm surprised some of you pay so close attention to your neighbors as to know the time they spent on each portion of the exam. Honestly, didn't your third grade teacher remind you "eyes on your own paper, please."

Is it normal to feel like you failed the CA bar essays? For people who did fail, what were your essays like?

I took the Texas bar 12 years ago ad I thought I absolutely tanked the MBE. Anyone with enough intelligence to read Lat's blog will be fine...now stop worrying about it and drink up!

My fun experience during the NY bar was that two of the proctors kept standing behind me and chatting, and another one sitting next to me opened up and ate hard candies or cough drops constantly for almost a solid hour. I wonder who are you supposed to complain to when the people in charge are causing the problem!

I took NJ too and was as excited as everyone else who's posted about the class action question...

I'm experiencing a withdrawal a sorts, and pouring over old notes, reading others' takes online is providing the necessary detox... there's just so much random legal crap crammed into my mind, it is difficult to disgorge in a mere 24 hours time, and oddly, I'm rather bitter that its all been rendered useless. I find myself wanting to grab MPQ1 or 2 and knock the crap out of answer set one last time... for posterity's sake... is this sick? Will I recover?

9:38 -- It is sick. Grey Goose can help.

But regardless, you will recover.

Thank you 54. To be clear, these statements have been made for the purpose of medical treatment and diagnosis and have not been prepared in anticipation of litigation of an IIED suit against NYBOLE.

-53

AK-47 should have used an onion router.

I think I might have been the only one who was so so excited for the NJ civ pro question. No joke, I knew that shit inside and out. It is the only thing in civ pro that I was actually really comfortable with. Everyone else was freaking out....and I was freaking out because I WASN'T freaking out....

And to the poster who said the contract question needed a road map. I agree. I freaking made a calendar to chart all the dates and I STILL was confused about who did what and when!!!

can someone who just finished the bar and is posting on ATL tell me why they dont have anything better to do???

WTF

Two questions:

1) What did you CA takers think of the second MPT? It could be that I was tired, but I found it hard to finish.

2) Can someone please explain to me how extensive an essay needs to be to pass in CA? The BarBri examples were insane, and I don't really know if that's what is required by the bar examiners.

58.....Quite frankly, I'm too tired to do anything else. And yet I'm still too wound up to do anything else either. My body is so overtired that I know going out to part tonight isn't going to do anything but make me miserable. I'm saving up my partying for the weekend!! :-D

I thought the second California MPT was very fact intensive and there was no clear organization to it. I just went through the 8 factors and threw them all together.

@ 58: Because the hooker is 15 minutes late. Traffic

Did anyone else who took the test in NJ keep glaring daggers at the folks lucky enough to score the orange admission tickets? All through the morning wait and lunch, I kept thinking....damn you orange ticket-holders and your new-fangled fancy laptops....

53: Drink more. I'm 3 beers and two mojitos down and I'm almost didn't understand your entire post!! :-D

And I've been getting calls all day from class mates all over the US (drunk, of course, else why forget the damn time change!?!?) and we're ALL pretty sure we a) failed, b) don't care till Oct/Nov and c) are gonnaq go kill all the brain cells holding all the shit we just swered onto paper/computer screens...

Bottoms up!!!

You're welcome 53.

I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, but I can tell by your post that you're still thinking about law school and BARBRI bullshit and not drinking enough.

IIED jokes are only (a bit) funny until your third drink on bar exam night and then they're NEVER funny again.

That's like res ipsa jokes or 10(b)(6) jokes in first year of law school. After tonight you shouldn't go there anymore no matter how much you might want to.

The night is still young -- go find a some bar exam survivors getting weird somewhere and let your last ten brain cells with no legal knowledge do all the talking and thinking. If you have a doubt... have another drink.

My last lucid brain is circling the drain, so I wish you the best. Ciao!

-- 54

59: That sucker was a hot mess.

I don't know, of course, but I'm pretty sure my answer was 15 pages long and had very little internal organization. The girl next to me had like, question presented and summary of argument and etc, and I was like...um, I wrote shit.

Luckily I'm pretty sure my MBE score will make up for it. Everyone's all whiny and I thought it was FUN!

65: One of my favorite favorite memories is a (ex) friend who was in my car 1L year who bitched out some guy who was mad we stole his parking space by saying...

"Old man, don't MAKE me 12(b)(6) your ass!!!!"

His response??

"Are you guys law school assholes???"

People who think the MBE was "fun" failed it. HTH.

Spot the issues, name the elements, mumble something about each in the context of the hypo.

None of my essays were over 4 pages, most were about 3 or less.

The graders have a check list and want to find those issues and move to the next blue book. The less verbose the better.

(I passed.)

State, 69?

Anyone posting about the bar exam right now is a f*cking loser.

The woman next to me mistakenly filled out the answer to essay #5 in the MPT booklet - she only realized this after finishing reading the MPT

I wonder what the disparity in passage rate is in NJ between laptop and hand writing applicants… nevertheless class action = no clue, made up some bullshit about SMJ and PJ and then used the stuff in the fact pattern to make up a 2 part test based on the trial court’s ruling… 2nd contracts/property question = too easy… last contracts question I got tired of trying to parse out the dates and who faxed what when where and why, so I just treated each fax as either an anticipatory repudiation or an attempt to modify terms without consideration… in any event buyer always wins! …oh and AM contracts turn crim law essay – what was the crime!? Everything look fine to me… evidence question not bad except some of the defense evidence – too tried at that point to care – admissible, admissible, admissible. See 807. Con law and little 10-year old Lisa's "coffee between her thighs" - if it were only a fam law essay = child neglect...

PS: I had an orange ticket, but I failed the MBE despite the fact that I got 136 on barbri sim – the actual thing was nothing like it, I left the sim feeling fine, I left wed afternoon certain I just failed, so in any event I’m bracing myself for Feb. cya then

Up here in Ontario, day 3 wasn't so bad. I had the booklet with the pink colour. I heard that the Maritime Provinces had some difficult expositories and declaratory answers to write. We were lucky.

Off to my cottage!

And we find it offensive and arrogant that you continue to even joke that Ontario is in California. We think California is a soulless, vulgar place.

Guys in my high school who dodged the draft used to take the bar in Canada all the time, it was no big deal.

And there's no basis to subpoena this post, because Jimmy Carter pardoned them, along with the other guys in my high school.

Cal PT #2 was super fact intensive - that's why they told us to not write a statement of facts. Yeah, it was hard to finish, but I just went through the 8 factors and hopefully did ok.

Bottoms up everyone!

Ontario? WTF? How many questions one person answer about snow, ice hockey, round bacon and shitty beer?

Just took the Cal bar. Yeah, PT2 had a lot of facts, but the organization was super easy. All you had to do was go through each of the eight Cray factors and apply whatever facts you could on both sides (obviously making your side look better). Easiest part of the Cal bar exam!

The Community Property essay was really tough...just because there were so many issues and I kindaran outta time to finish it up.

But, of course, the worst thing was the MBE. I think I was sure on about 10 questions total. Total.

People should feel free to reveal bar quesitons.
I hope that someone will sue The National Conference of Bar Examiners for all they have and in particular will get then disbarred for their cheap trick in the exam.
Everyone who knows anything about copyright law will tell you this: YOU CANNOT HAVE COPYRIGHT ON A QUESTION IN THE MBE!
I mean you MAYBE can get CR on the exact language of the question but not on the question itself. This is the law and not your private property - What is wrong with you?

So here is a question for the next MBE:
1. if a lawyer tells you that the Copyright Act prevents you from revealing the content of a legal question he made up, he is:
a. lying
b. never read the Supre Court decision in Fiest
c. violating his ethical duties
d. all of the above

People should feel free to reveal bar quesitons.
I hope that someone will sue The National Conference of Bar Examiners for all they have and in particular will get then disbarred for their cheap trick in the exam.
Everyone who knows anything about copyright law will tell you this: YOU CANNOT HAVE COPYRIGHT ON A QUESTION IN THE MBE!
I mean you MAYBE can get CR on the exact language of the question but not on the question itself. This is the law and not your private property - What is wrong with you?

So here is a question for the next MBE:
1. if a lawyer tells you that the Copyright Act prevents you from revealing the content of a legal question he made up, he is:
a. lying
b. never read the Supre Court decision in Fiest
c. violating his ethical duties
d. all of the above

I took the CA bar last year. After the exam, I went straight to the airport (well not quite straight: I stopped at Safeway and picked up some mini-bottle of liquor). I spent the night in the last row of a US Airways plane back to the East coast getting totally plastered alone listening to my iPod because I had to move out of my apartment by the 31st. Let me tell you one thing: ordinarily, getting drunk alone in the last row of a USAirways red-eye to Philly is about as low as you can get, but having just finished the bar made me feel like i was sleeping on a lay-flat bed in First class on Singapore Airlines.

81, I love you. i am you. well, i mean i want to be you and i'll try my best on an 8am flight tomorrow morning.

80, you are 100% right as far as the copyright thing goes - the whole "we have a copyright so you can't talk about the questions" is complete B.S. If they sued anyone posting on ATL for copyright infringement (besides, possibly, someone who posted the verbatim question and answers), they would get their asses thrown out of court.

The closer call, in my opinion, is whether they can privately sanction a person for talking about the exam (such as by refusing to send the person's scores to the state bar associations).

Seems like a free speech issue, if NYBEX has . . . what was the term? a "symbiotic relationship" with the states. But if they are considered a private actor and you sign an agreement with them not to disclose, I suppose they can make up whatever rules they damn well please. (Sub-question: Would that agreement give them enough grounds to get a subpoena and gather IP addresses from Lat? Sub-sub-question: Would Lat cough up the IP addresses if served with such a subpoena, or would he hold his ground?)

Seems to me that NYBEX and the state bar associations are state actors here, and free speech trumps whatever "agreement" they force you into signing. But it's definitely not black and white.

I'm drunk. :)

NCBE is screwing All4JDs.com for posting MBE questions!

Things I thought about the Bar that turned out to be completely wrong:

1) That the NY Essay Section would be completely impossible.

2) That the MBE would be relatively manageable considering I had completed every question in the PMBR Red Book, MPQ1, and had taken the Bar Bri and PMBR practice exams.

3) NJ would be a piece of cake.

A class-action essay....That's just brutal.

The Procters were great. It was like having my grandmother administer a test.

The Procters were great. It was like having my grandmother administer a test.

Based on the lack of smoothness with which the exam was run, I hope the NCBE has more important things to worry about than posters who discuss questions that vaguely resemble the actual ones. It's not like by writing a question, they obtain exclusive rights to the subject matter of that question.

Based on the number of people who had their file "noted" for failure to follow the nit-picky directions, it almost seems like they weeded enough people out just that way. It's like it was more of a test of people to follow explicit directions, than about their knowledge of the law.

With that said, following directions is a rather important skill for an attorney.

congrats bar people! enjoy your trips!

I don't know if I buy the whole theory that the Bar examiner's goal is to "screw" BarBri or another test prep company. Remember, the Bar examiners biggest fear is probably that they'll have to completely toss out an essay question, or two, or three, because so many people bomb it.

They want to test competency, but they also want to continue to produce licensed attorneys. Their job is to produce an exam that is challenging, yet still manageable. If too many people fail to demonstrate competency, then the Bar examiners fail at their job.

I consider myself already admitted in the State of Franklin.

Whatever happend with Willa and Hilliard

I love MA! Article 9 but no MA Civ Pro! Looks like someone was sick of being called Passachusetts!

PS- Thank god I did not listen to BarBri and studied my ass off on Article 9.

PPS- Thank god my failure to learn MA Civ Pro did not come back to bite me in the ass!

I was writting my last word when they called time in NJ...that one second cost me 40 minutes of having to wait....

About that class action I had no clue...I said something about if the company questioned the statistics used by the plaintiff they could just call their own expert and let the jury decide

clarification to 96....when they called the 10 minute mark not time...so i couldnt get up

1. i tried getting drunk but i ended up passing out and sleeping for 20 hours, only awoken by a fast pounding heartbeat due to all the red bull i drank (highly recommended especially on the second day)

2. albany really sucks. they wait all year to rip off bar candidates (ie. $30 cab rides)

3. the girl next to me had trouble launching exam soft. she started hyperventilating and almost fainted. so i took her mouse, right-clicked her antivirus, chose "quit" and it was solved. the little bitch never thank me (and she finished each section 30 minutes earlier and was eating fucking almonds all the time)

1. ExamSoft sucks. Mine froze up at the beginning of the first essay, so that one ended up being a piece of crap. I had to handwrite the rest of the test, which sucked but wasn't the end of the world (aside from the 1st essay disaster). More than anything, I want my f-ing $100 back.

2. Do we receive a breakdown of our scores? That is, will they post our actual MPE and essay grades, or do we just get listed as "Pass" or "Fail"?

53 I feel the same way. It's a very weird feeling. It's uneasy. A little surreal. I spent all that time studying and now it's over? It should be worth more than that!

#5 - (late to this discussion, sorry) I took VA last year, and was convinced that I failed. There were some essays that I think were on areas of law that they made up solely for the bar examination. However, I only know a handful of people who failed (no more than 5), so I'm sure you will be fine!

All4jds.com just received a "cease and desist" letter from NCBE for just this type of thread - be forewarned. (see their thread called "the MBE").

25 - those are the guys you should love to see. The 25% who are going to fail.

ExamSoft sucks A**, it froze before I even get a screen to write. I ended up writing the whole thing. I need to get actual damage from SoftTest for my sore fingers!

after reading all the stuff about lawsuits going after commenters, it seems like you can still talk about the test as longa as youre not giving out the questions. scary though. we've been taking tests all our lives, and in the nerd circles I run with a standard part of that process is shooting the shit afterwards about what happened, what'd you get? etc. It'd be super shitty if they could take that away from us. But they gotta protect their questions too.

See you all in Albany in February. I know I'll be there.

NJ- WTFFFFF the crim question, was that really a crim question??? What happened to a good old homicide, burglary, rape. What crimes did the Budget Officer commit? The class action question, wow just made up a new set of laws. After studying that stupid little yellow book that Bar Bri ripped us off on ($50 for that, seriously????) they throw a class action question. The contracts question was CRAZY!!!! You needed a flow chart, map, graph and everything else to try and figure that one out. And what happened to property? I couldn't believe that our property question was so light and more of a contract issue than property issue. Evidence, I agree with the other poster, admissible, admissible, admissible, it's all relevant. Thank god for the knock off McDonald's coffee question, that was the one of the 2 that I knew cold. Overall, NJ was so much HARDER than New York. They have some nerve. It's not like we get reciprocity.
The MBE was a killer. I walked out knowing that I failed. Bar Bri and PMBR are full of @*&% because the MBE was much harder than what they led us to believe.
So now I get to have a party with my new best friends Grey, Jose & Pino.

107 I said the budget officer should be charged with extortion but would have a good defense since it seems she was just working out a way for them to get the money back they were over charged

106/107 - I agree with 107 - I said she would be guilty of extortion. I think I charged Dan (driver) with solicitation and fraud and Joe (construction guy) with fraud. I also threw in a little respondeat superior action.

can anybody drop a little knowledge for me on how they score the ny essays/mpt. i obviously know that you are trying to average 5s, but does anybody know how that breaks down. Say you nail 2/3 of an essay, but don't even address the final 1/3 (perhaps because you know wills really well, but didn't even look at secured transactions), passing score? What if you completely run out of time on the MPT and just do a shit job on the final half--make hotel reservations for feb? I mean, what is the margin of error here?

can anybody drop a little knowledge for me on how they score the ny essays/mpt. i obviously know that you are trying to average 5s, but does anybody know how that breaks down. Say you nail 2/3 of an essay, but don't even address the final 1/3 (perhaps because you know wills really well, but didn't even look at secured transactions), passing score? What if you completely run out of time on the MPT and just do a shit job on the final half--make hotel reservations for feb? I mean, what is the margin of error here?

can anybody drop a little knowledge for me on how they score the ny essays/mpt. i obviously know that you are trying to average 5s, but does anybody know how that breaks down. Say you nail 2/3 of an essay, but don't even address the final 1/3 (perhaps because you know wills really well, but didn't even look at secured transactions), passing score? What if you completely run out of time on the MPT and just do a shit job on the final half--make hotel reservations for feb? I mean, what is the margin of error here?

can anybody drop a little knowledge for me on how they score the ny essays/mpt. i obviously know that you are trying to average 5s, but does anybody know how that breaks down. Say you nail 2/3 of an essay, but don't even address the final 1/3 (perhaps because you know wills really well, but didn't even look at secured transactions), passing score? What if you completely run out of time on the MPT and just do a shit job on the final half--make hotel reservations for feb? I mean what is the margin of error here?

I took the bar in PA in the giant airplane hangar-like convention center.

My thoughts after the essays on Day 1: This was so overrated. I definitely passed and can't wait to chase ambuli for ca$h!

Mt thoughts after the MBE on Day 2: I hope it doesn't snow in February.

Also, after the MBE I had a dream that I got a second, third, and fourth mortgage on my house, but no one recorded.

I took the bar in PA in the giant airplane hangar-like convention center.

My thoughts after the essays on Day 1: This was so overrated. I definitely passed and can't wait to chase ambuli for ca$h!

Mt thoughts after the MBE on Day 2: I hope it doesn't snow in February.

Also, after the MBE I had a dream that I got a second, third, and fourth mortgage on my house, but no one recorded.

It's one thing for the people who make the MBE to try to make the questions totally different from PMBR and BAR/BRI, but it's another thing to make them look totally different than their own released questions. How is that fair?

As for BAR/BRI: what a ripoff. There was no "Spano said to Victor the Victim, 'I'm sorry I ran the red light. I will pay your medical bills.'"

The MBE was way harder than the barbri practice questions, but one thing that gives me hope is that the same people who made the MBE made the MPRE and I remember the real MPRE questions being much different from the barbri practice but I did very well on it.

Does anyone keep running over the things they did wrong? I called things by the wrong name and forgot an element of abandonment. And how does anyone from NY pass the CT bar? I had no idea about the Admin Law, 1983 suit, and then to throw a Property question in at the end. If I fail CT, Im not taking it again. Can someone who passed NY tell me what their essays were like?

Does anyone keep running over the things they did wrong? I called things by the wrong name and forgot an element of abandonment. And how does anyone from NY pass the CT bar? I had no idea about the Admin Law, 1983 suit, and then to throw a Property question in at the end. If I fail CT, Im not taking it again. Can someone who passed NY tell me what their essays were like?

Chuck Norris's right fist was the first to record the deeds he did for our country.

this is old, but so worth a repost.

Bar humor

1. People who don't record their deeds:
Hey. Fuck face. That's a nice deed you got there. Went ahead andbought Stankacre, didya? That's awesome. Owning property is a signof real maturity. Now, why don't you do us all a fucking favor, andgo record the fucking deed.Right. Fucking. Now. Don't put it in a goddamn drawer. Don't go off to India for 20 years. Don't leave the deed in your will for dear cousin Victorianox. Get your fat lazy ass down to the records office, and record it before I burn your goddamn house down.

2: Wily property sellers:
Here is a suggestion to those Bill of Rights violatin' petty thug assclowns, the Police. How about you go down to Doucheacre, and arrest the son of a bitch who sells the same house to 15 different people, over and over. I'm sick of this guy getting away every time he pullsthis shit, and I'm left to sort out the fucking pieces.

3: "Known" arsonists:
Here's a little tip to all the cretins that keep hiring "known"arsonists to burn down their cheating girlfriend's house. Why is it, do you think, that he is a known arsonist, you dipshit? He's known because he has been fucking caught before. You don't know who the good arsonists are, do you! Because they have their shit together. But no, you had to go hire Dusseldorf, or Durango, or whatever D word your fuckwit moron arsonist is named, and now he's gone and burned thewrong house, and left me with a BAR question.

4: People who back out of conspiracies:
Why don't you just stick with it and save us all some trouble, you pussy.

5. Power companies that leave an electric wire live to deter copper theft:
While I appreciate your effort to rid the world of thieves stupid enough to try and steal raw copper wiring that's fucking humming and has blue arcs dancing on it, it's just gonna bite you in the ass inthe end. Just let the copper go.

6. Fertile Octogenarians:
I think I speak for all of us when I say...
...Burn the witch!
Burn her!
And don't use a "known" arsonist!

7. People who use anything more complicated than Fee Simple Absolute in a will:
Hey, old man. Either give Horatio your fucking interest in Scroteacre, or don't, alright? Don't condition it on him growing a mustache, or learning to play the calliope, or winning "Dancing withthe Stars." Don't grant a springing executive interest to Zenobia if she manages to graduate from Ninja academy. Stop making my life more complicated than it needs to be, you Narcissistic old twat, and stop trying to control your property fromthe grave in a vain attempt to make up for your feebleness in life.

8. House Painters:
Just paint the fucking house yourself, Paulson.Trust me on this one. It's not worth it.

9. Bank Mortgages:
Hi there, First National Bank of South Calizonachussettsas. I don't mean to tell you how to run your business, but allow me to impart abit of sage wisdom.
When someone :
1) named Defaultina McBankrupstein,
2) is taking out her 17th mortgage with you,
3) on a place called Mushacre
4) so she can buy a new hat,
….do NOT fucking come crying to me when the inevitable judicial foreclosure sale nets $34, a button, and some lint, all of which are devoured by the banks that are 20 miles ahead of you in creditor line. And do not ask me whether you are a junior or senior mortgagor, or whether you debt is secured, or some other bullshit I don'tunderstand, because the answer is always the same.
D) You are Fucked. Take it like a man.

10. Wanna-be Burglars:
I am sick to death of these slackjawed melon-heads deciding at 2 a.m.that they need to borrow their neighbors wrench, and are sure he"won't mind" if they saunter on over there in the middle of the night,crowbar the garage open, smash open his tool chest, and "borrow it."And then always the inevitable fucking:
Did he commit Larceny/Burglary/Robbery?????? Ohhhhh, no intent!

Let him go, boys. Let the man go. So I can throw the wrench right at his goddamn teeth. Good thing when we are really in practice we will have these IntentGoggles (c), that can magically tell us, despite every bit of evidenceto the contrary, this jackass really didn't intend to commit a crime.He genuinely thought that breaking into your neighbor's house,stealing his car, taking a shit on his pool table, and sleeping withhis wife were all part of the social covenants between good neighbors.

121: Kill yourself.

Wow - the Day 2 thread with all the MBE discussions is gone, baby, gone. Looks like Lat has caved to the inevitable C&D. As Clay Davis would say, Sheeeee-it.

Did anyone spot that international law issue on day 1? totally threw me off

Did anyone in CA NOT organize the Day 2 PT according to the 8 Cray factors? I organized differently......

Yeah, Lat, WTF!!!!! You took down the day 2 thread!?!?! That's so f'in weak. You're pathetic.

All these NJ bar comments and not one on the prostitute loving, wealthy, governor Spitfire? Way to stick it to NY.

Oh, and to the douchebags who were bragging about nailing the class action question and explaining your answers in detail while other people were still taking their test and using the bathroom: I ratted you out.

125 - I organized it a little differently.

Miranda did not apply b/c D was not subject to custodial interrogation and D was not deprived of freedom in any significant way

A. Custodial Interrogation - 8 Factor Balance Test
B. Deprivation of Freedom in any Significant Way - Totality of the Circumstances, Reasonable Person Standard

What about the woman who let her friend talk her into doing it with him so she could have a baby only to find out he had a vasectomy? I had to giggle in the middle of that one!

119- I am with you on the rehashing my mistakes; I can't stop! For example, I think I did a really strong wills/secured transactions essay, but then I remember that I forgot about the confrontation clause on the evidence/crim pro essay and my MPT was gibberish and then I feel grouchy. I also randomly have feelings like MAYBE I MIS-BUBBLED and then i realize I am insane and a dork and need to drink more.

Lat, bring back the day 2 thread:

http://abovethelaw.com/2008/07/bar_exam_open_thread_day_two.php

We miss it.

Wow this is bringing back memories. Took Fla 15 years ago. My table mate was "escorted" out by 2 deputies. Took Oregon 7 years ago - had an earthquake in the middle of day 2. Awesome. If I can pass through that crap, so can you. Congrats on surviving.

130-I echo the "maybe I misbubbled" concern--fortunately I had 10 minutes remaining after I finished the PM exam, I went back and frantically checked that my answers in test booklet corresponded to my scantron bubbles... I made this mistake once during a practice BarBri set and since then, its been my worst nightmare.

I also am a bit obsessed with rehashing and discovering my errors, to the point of listing them and deducting points to see if I will pass. Its pretty damn cruel for NY to make us wait nearly 4 months.... I'm gonna need a hefty dose of anti-anxiety meds in between then and now.

128- Good to hear. I didn't organize by the 8 factors either and have been freaked out about it since that's what everyone else did. But I figured you wouldn't want to base your entire motion on factors from a case that was contra to your position. So I mentioned the factors at various points, but really used the other two cases for my primary arguments.

128 and 134 - sounds like you wrote goat answers. goooood idea?

134 - the confession was admitted in cray. we were arguing to admit the confession in our case. what do you mean it was conta to the position? SEE YA IN FEB!!!

118/119
the way ct is scored, a decent mbe (140) is enough to pass with essays in the ballpark of straight 3's. They don't even care what law you apply as long as you analyze. You can make up 12 rules, apply them competently and pass. The 1983 issue was really out of left field though.

135--awesome. love the honigsberg reference

I took NY and MA, and other than MA essay question 1, I thought it was pretty reasonable. Much better than the adopted out/adopted in BS going on in that NY wills question.

CA Bar Comments:

ESSAY #2 (Day 1) - I did not have much to write:
Q#1 - Regarding the Executive Order being a presidential power that does need to be ratified by Congress, what else could I say?
Q#2 - I wrote a short paragraph about Heircharcy of laws
Q#3 - I discussed 4th amendment, warrants.
(Might have been a goat on this Essay #2!)

......I thought it was WEIRD when I got home that evening and heard the news that Scharzenneger signed an (governor) executive order....

ESSAY #4
I was pleasantly surprised at 2nd Contracts/Remedies question because I had just reviewed my Remedies notes that morning. I heard a lot of people whine about reviewing other subjects.

ESSAY #5 (Day 2) Property and ESSAY #6 (Day 2)
Wills/Community Property....so much issues to write, so little time

PT#2 - The interview was soooo LONG...wasted too much time reading it. But, I was a sheep and organized according to the 8 elements. (Hoping Honisberg is giving me a thumbs up!)

Anyone take the MA Bar Exam ESSAYS???
Q1- Part A

Equal Protection
Due Process- Prop right
Sub Dub Process- fund rights
1st amd
State courts are allowed to render advisory opinions

Part B
Supremacy Clause-- IRS says not okay to tax charity
commerce clause

????
WHAT DID YOU WRITE?

141 - I talked about EP, DP, First Am in the first essay, and EP in the second essay. Who knows. Weird first question.

Anyone take MD? I thought the afternoon essays were insane.

Anyone take MD? I thought the afternoon essays were insane.

last

I thought the md afternoon essays were insane, too. I thought the corps one was deceptively tough, and I still don't know what the answer was to the family law/civ pro one. At least it sounds like it was tough for everyone.

143-I thought the md afternoon essays were insane, too. I thought the corps one was deceptively tough, and I still don't know what the answer was to the family law/civ pro one. At least it sounds like it was tough for everyone.

I'm feeling very uneasy about the exam.

I can't believe that I'm going to have to deal with this kind of anxiety for months while I wait for the results.

any PA takers know when they are posting the pass list (like six months from now)?

MD afternoon was horrible.

The morning was fine with the gimme ethics and torts questions. The crim question (although testing common law and not MD state law was odd) was pretty decent as well.

The family law question was just obnoxious. I was brain fried at that point and totally bombed that one.

18 here, I'm going to post again now that the day 2 thread has been pulled. The fact that Lat caved to NYBEX and their BS copyright claims immediately, without standing up for his and our right to comment and discuss, and without even mentioning what he did to his devoted readers and anonymous sources just confirms what I wrote a couple days ago in my first post.

So I'll update and say it again: Lat, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in you. I would have thought that you would relished a fight with NYBEX or anyone else who wants to force your hand to reveal info on posters (or pull posts). Yet you seem to be backing down and wimping out without so much as a holler (forget a down-in-the-dirt brawl, which is what I would expect of you).

If you don't issue a detailed post on the events leading up to your decision to pull the thread (cease and decist letter, I imagine), and a very good explanation as to why you caved without a fight, I'll know that this site has gone to sh*t.

What this cowardice in the face of a C&D letter says to me is that if anyone comes after ATL in the future for identifying info on anonymous posters, the site is going to sell us down the river without a fight.

If others agree with me that Lat owes us an explanation, please pile on... why the post wahy tclarification of that, I for one am never going to post again on this site, and I suspect that many others won't either.

P.S. from 151 - the text got garbled at the end. The last couple lines were supposed to read: "If there's no clarification of ATL's stance on the protection of the right to comment on publically important subjects such as the Bar and the protection of the identity of anonymous posters, I for one am never going to post again on this site, and I suspect that many others won't either."

P.S. from 151 - the text got garbled at the end. The last couple lines were supposed to read: "If there's no clarification of ATL's stance on the protection of the right to comment on publicly important subjects such as the Bar and the protection of the identity of anonymous posters, I for one am never going to post again on this site, and I suspect that many others won't either."

P.S. from 151 - the text got garbled at the end. The last couple lines were supposed to read: "If there's no clarification of ATL's stance on the protection of the right to comment on matters of public concern such as the Bar Exam and the protection anonymous poster identification, I for one am never going to post again on this site, and I suspect that many others won't either."

Non- NY, CA, DE and IL test takers:

My left nut (the dumber of my two nuts) could pass your state's bar while being squeezed by a secured tranny. If you can't pass the Maryland bar exam, or NJ, or whatever, just give up on being a lawyer and assume your proper role as king of the TTT morons.

140-
Yeah, I hate to say it (cause I don't know if I passed), but the Cal bar wasn't too bad...

q1: prof. resp:
Not much to say....just go through "Clients love fierce counsel and courts feel differently" and you've hit everything you needed to (except maybe the unauthorized practice of law...an a few throwaway paragrapghs on diligence and such). A typical B.S. ethics question....

q2: Conlaw / Crim pro:
Yeah, I had no idea what to do on the Exectutive order thing, but I kew no one else did either...so, I wasn't too worried. ("Nobody!") Just as long as you rambled about how the president's power is probably lesser when his order is expressly disapproved of by Congress....then you're probably golden. Bar examiners just threw this in to see if it would throw you (knowing no one would really know what to do with it)

The preemption issue...easy. Just talk about the different kinds of preemption to show why there is none here.

And, yeah, the last part wasn't conlaw, it was just a 4th A. crim pro analysis. You shouldn't have gone into conlaw standing or justicability here...just crim pro standing (expectation of privacy), warrants, and exceptions...

q3: contracts
This one was tough only because the contract (if there ever was one)...was so f'd up. The call of the question was right and remedies, right? But I barely even got to talk about rememdies when time was called. oops. Hope my discussion of all the stupid offers and counteroffers and modifications and whatever else pulled me through. Doubtful though.

q4: rememdies
I was totally shocked by this one as we'd just done a contracts question. However, it was totally easy because of how the questions were written. I mean, they really laid down the law on what you should talk about for each part..."is there replevin? is there specific performance? is there an injunctive remedy? etc). Just answer each question and move on. No thinking.

q5: property
Of all the property questions that I was dreading...this came as a great relief. I mean all they wanted to know was what happened when a Joint tenancy was turned into a tenancy in common, right? And who owed rent and who was responsible for repairs, etc. The only hard bit was figuring out exactly how and when it became a T.inC. because of those odd deeds to "Ed."

q6: wills / communtiy property
I'm with you on this one. It was not difficult, per se...but there were sooooo many issues. I basically had to stop doing IRAC and was just rambling by the end of it. This one may be my lowest grade on the essays. And even though there were only two assets to determine the character of...jesus....there were so many things to talk about. jesus.

PT2: evidence
Yeah...as honigsberg would say..."you see a case with 8 factors...do you decide to not follow those factors? do you decide to find your own "better" path? do you leave the herd of sheep? Good ideeeea? goood idea?" So, yeah, just follow the eight factors and eithr tie it up with a "totality of the circumstances conclusion, or use a totality argument thoughout.

156,

My thoughts exactly.

Good summary 1:56, but there was an important 10thA/Anti-commandeering issue in the con law essay.

156 - My experience was almost exactly the same as yours. I felt pretty good about the essays, except I didn't really finish #3 for the same reasons (and Examsoft was killing me). I also felt ok about the MBE.

I don't feel very good about the PT's though, and that has me worried. I covered all the material (I'm not sure how well), but my organization was a little (not extremely) goatish.

Does that equal see ya in Feb?

In the con law question you also had to discuss NY v. US (10th A.) and maybe the steel seizure case. I also throw in 14th\5th am. right to privacy (very shortly because there is none here).
the 3 & 4 questions were very long, with an EQ in the middle of the 3rd...
the 5th was short but VERY tricky - you had there a joint tenant (that because of the right of survivorship has no right to transfer title upon death) asking a third person to deliver the deed upon death, which means that the transfer is valid only upon death.... is it a valid transfer? I still have no idea.

in the PT2 I also didn't follow exatly the 8 elements. Almost. At least I didn't call them by name and follow their order. I would follow the 8 exactly if it was a neutral legal analysis. It was not so I talked first and in details about all the elements that worked in my way and then very shortly put all the elements that didn't work my way and just say they mean nothing and way. you are right that it is a bit goaty.

158--

(i just posted 156)... yeah, I got the 10th A issue with the compelling....just forgot I wrote it until now that you mentioned it. The facts made it clear that they wanted you to talk about it, so did...(under the preemption section I think...)

159--
I'm glad you felt good about the MBE. You seems like one of the few that did. I certainly had a rough time on it. It's like they used concepts that I was totally familiar with, but just inversed them and mated them with each other and painted them purple. Had no idea what to do with many of those questions. I ended up only feeling sure sure about a tenth of them. Oh, and the fact that I had about 10 "d" answers ins sets of five in the first set of answers didn't make me happy...

160--
Though I really think you should have gone with the eight factos clearly (sheep answer), I bet you'll be fine as long as you had strong organization otherwise and well-labled headings.... they're really not going to "read" but a paragraph or two from the eassy to see if you're using the facts...and otherwise will just want to check that it looks well-structured overall.

barnibus conveyed buttacre to quiggly for a sixpence, and took a security interest in quiggly's rear end, which quiggly promptly recorded in his butt. thereafter, quiggly became impotent and struck slarns with his dog, a ciao ciao. thereafter, barnuibs foreclosed on quiggly's butt and the dog died of emotional distress. you are a law clerk unsure about your sexual orientation. please draft a memo to the judge about the claims in this matter (and spray it with perfume)

I didnt follow the eight factor headings either. I quoted one of the cases that said that we must look at the forest and not focus on the trees, thus even though there are eight factors, it was not imperative to analyze each one and others had more importance. I fucked up though at the end when I was writing my concluding sentence stating "The facts do not support the defendant's motion to suppress evidence and should be denied because he was not under formal arrest..." and then time was called I was going to add "nor under custodial interrogation." Oh well, bunch of racehorse questions....

161 - I agree with you about the MBE questions. Especially in the morning session. Each one seemed to have a familiar fact pattern with a completely new twist to it and vague answers.

Another CA taker here. I didn't organize PT2 by the 8 factors because that case was from another jurisdiction. I mentioned it, but I used the Supreme Court case and the holdings from the jurisdiction we were in much more heavily.

165....there were 3 cases: US Supreme Court, Columbia Supreme Court and the US Court of Appeals, 15th Circuit. The instructions said that the this case was in the state of Columbia, part of the 15th Cir COA. Hence, the 8 factors were NOT from another jurisdiction.

Also, the supreme court of columbia case specifically cited to "jones" which was the case those 8 factors came from (cited in "cray")... which was also a "15th circuit" case. while circuit cases might not be binding precedent on a state court, they are pretty persuasive, particularly if the supreme court of the state has cited to that particular circuit case... god, why on earth do i remember all this?

I was curious how good the essay advantage guy's predictions were for the NY Bar essays, Last summer, they were awful.

Awful, 168. Generally worthless. The single-day review guy came a little closer, and he didn't try to hedge his bets with BS calls like "crim or crim pro or evidence for one essay" but rather tried to specify which rules would be tested.

Yep, the Cal Bar requires so much more work and preparation than any other bar. Simple as that.

Did anyone think that the MBE was way harder than the barbri sims? I did really decent on those, but when it came to the bar, I swear that half my questions came down to two answers and from there I had no idea. And there were no gimme questions about not using deadly force to protect your property and no trespasser questions (except that weird tennis ball one), were there? Grrr.

Have any States issued results yet?

North Carolina issued results around the beginning of September, but no word yet on mean/median MBE scores...