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I really hate the survey thing that pops up and has to be closed with a click. Please consider taking that ad away. It is so annoying. Thanks.

11:57 - I don't get that on my computer. Maybe install a pop-up blocker?

Guys in my high school fellated overpaid expert witnesses all the time. It was no big deal.

I love these type of posts. What a creep.

$15,000 for a Vegas weekend? Way too low.

Talk about an "Indecent Proposal"!

However, did she do the deed, or just bridle at the (rather vague) insinuation that she was expected to do so?

Very solid to note that ATL has a "Oral Sex/Blow Jobs" tag. If I knew the subject matter was so prevalent in the legal field I would not have gotten married before law school.

luck doctor

He looks like a non-blind version of David Paterson

I don't think EVERYTHING in the report is particularly true...

If it is, this dude is a supa freak... (cue Rick James)

Looks like he might be getting serviced in his photo.

what is south texas college of law, fachrissakes.

im going need a pic of the paralegal before passing judgment. if she is hot i will believe every word, if not, she is just an attention whore with an inflated sense of self-worth.

LOL, he's a bald

I was accepted to UVA months ago and am all set up to go, but just got an email from NYU that sounds like they're prepared to offer me a spot if I indicate that I'll accept the offer...

What should I do?

11: I cannot believe it... I thought the exact same thing.

Talk about him all you want. Truth is, he could probably buy and sell most of you. (Despite where he graduated). He deserves his day in court.

You would be an absolute fool to give up UVA. Best three years ever. And you'll still get your NYC biglaw job, if you so desire.

Put deposits down on both schools and keep your options open.

Ignore 20, 17. NYU is a no-brainer. If you have the opportunity to go to a better school, take it. Always.

Off-topic, I had the best idea last night:

Since most of us commentators are New Yorkers, why shouldn't we have an ATL meet-up? We all comment anonymously here, sure, but I think it could be fun and possibly good for networking. I, for one, am in the East Village.

17, I'd take NYU over UVA, if only for the experience of living in the largest city in the country. When law school's over and you have your NYC biglaw job, you're not going to have the time or energy to experience the city and all it has to offer. At least during law school, you'll have a little free time to go to the bars and clubs.

Any scholarships in play, #17? If not, then #22's advice is solid.

That guy's a pig. He dips at depositions.

I got into NYU and Columbia and went to UVA. Would not change it for anything. My loans were approximately 20% less, and I got to live in Charlottesville for three years.

How about you make your own decision rather than taking up post space on ATL. And, how about you stay off ATL until you're at least in law school. Consulting ATL for law school decisions = TTT.

18: Isn't it amazing that he not only looks like Paterson but also has his sexual appetite

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18: Isn't it amazing that he not only looks like Paterson but also has his sexual appetite

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17 - both are great schools. If you don't mind paying a couple grand extra to live in NYC, I'd go to NYU. If you want to work in new york or do big time transactional work, the friends you make at NYU will give you a pretty incredible network.

UVA is a great school that everyone loves. They're not quite as strong in the northeast (you'd have your pick of job opportunities, you just wouldn't have the alumni base).

You can't go wrong either way.

His face says, "I'm passing a juicy one right about . . . now. "

17: NYU is overrated and expensive. Despite their higher US NEWS rank, I don't think that employers differentiate much between the prestige of UVa and NYU.

Columbia and Chicago, however, are a clear step up, and HYS are the trinity.

In the interest of full disclosure, I picked a CC over UVa with a lot of money (they're very generous with their targets, as well as their reaches), and I don't think I'll regret it in the fall.

I agree with #25; if no scholarships are in play, always take the better school because you never know. When economy is good, you will have no problem getting a job out of UVA. When it's not...

A comparable situation would be if someone took a job at Cadwalader instead of Skadden because he liked the "culture" at Cadwalader.

so did she suck his dick or what? I don't think we ever got an answer to that one.

I am strongly considering changing from electric shave to razor. Any thoughts/suggestions?

I figure this is the forum to ask whatever questions I have...

"When economy is good, you will have no problem getting a job out of UVA. When it's not..."

Even during recessions, I don't think that T10 students are having trouble finding work. Firms know that they need to replenish their associate ranks for the inevitable bull markets, and these employers want prestigious graduates.

Anything less than T10, or even GULC, may be problematic.

South Texas College of Law is a fourth tier law school. When enough new law schools pony up the fees to be ABA accredited, South College will drop to the fifth tier. And then the sixth. And so on.

36: Depends what you're shaving.

36: I don't mind the off-topic questions. They're interesting and this forum is capable of holding simultaneous conversations.

When I was younger, I switched from electric to manual and I've never looked back. The close shave of a manual razor exfoliates my skin by removing dead skin cells, and I always feel great afterward.

Also, electric razors tend to encourage bacterial growth, while manual razors are easy to disinfect.

When it's not... you'll still have no problem getting a job out of UVA.

I agree with 20, in the eyes of employers UVA and NYU are about the same. Not to mention UVA kids are likely to gun a little less, so it's probably easier to get higher in the class if that's important to you.

I go to UVA, and I love it. The only people who don't love it there made a mistake by choosing such a social place.

But if you're fired up about living in NYC, you should.

24: ::rolls eyes: The NYC bars ARE NOT THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. THEY'RE JUST BARS!!! YOU GO THERE AND DRINK.

Anyone who talks about NYC's bars has clearly not lived there. Guess who's living there right now?

I went from a regular razor to an electric back to regular and am now back to an electric. The Panasonics with convex heads and counter-directional blades give amazing close shaves.

Depends on what you want out of law school. If all you care about is the degree and getting a job in Biglaw (and you also don't care about not living in a city), then it really doesn't matter which school you pick. If, however, you want the opportunity to get interesting internships during the semester, then there's no question that New York is the place to be - tons of courts, etc. etc.

Internships? You kidding me, internships? Internships???

44: This makes sense. Top law schools students are very driven to obtain internships. Most of the Yalies I know want nothing more than a solid internship at a small ID firm. If they do well, they might even receive a return invitation!

Don't hear a lot of NYU alums voicing love for their school.... they must all be busy getting laid off today.

20, you do not always take the hirer ranked school. outside of the top14 you pick the best ranked school in the region you want to work in. I passed up 2 much higher ranked schools (but still outside top30) to stay in the city i want to work in.

17 - I suggest you go to lawschooldiscussion.com, and stop hijacking threads on ATL. Thanks, and good luck.

(P.S. For what its worth: Both University of Virginia Tech and New York Law School are TTT, so it doesn't really matter.)

I'm not saying internships are a deal breaker - just noting one of the things that Columbia and NYU (and even the 2nd and 3rd tier new york schools) have to offer that you don't get elsewhere. By virtue of being in New York you have a lot of things at your fingertips (internships being one of them), that you don't have in a small university town.

50: but why would anyone want an INTERNSHIP? You're paying 60k+ to attend a top law school; I would aim a little higher. This isn't college anymore, and your spring break buddies won't desert you if you take up a publishing gig with the hope of a return invitation.

That brief is extremely well-written. Despite the dubiousness of its claims, I'm inspired by its fluid, effortless prose.

51 - this has nothing to do about getting job offers. It's about getting the opportunity to, e.g. work in a judge's chambers for a few hours a week (something that you can't do if you take a SA position your 1L year). Or, god forbid, do a public interest internship during the semester (because you're too in debt to pass up SA positions during your law school summers).

If she did service him, she should have been compensated for her duties, then promply thrown in jail for committing a crime.

Before I arrive at such a conclusion, does anyone have her number?

52, you should learn something from it and cut out unecessary syllables. For example, instead of "the dubiousness of its claims," how about "its dubious claims." Much cleaner, no?

42 is bitter because he got laid off today from Cadwalader.

Sorry for all the typos in the above post. Also, I meant to write "1L summer" not "1L year."

--53

55: You're a moron. The dubiousness of the claims is what gives 52 concern, not the claims themselves.

Hey, 42, 24 didn't say that New York has the "greatest bars in the world," you said that. Obviously, you're angry because you realize you're not getting half as much whatever like Richard Laminack. If you fly down to Texas though, I'm sure he'll let you service him.

23 - given the general tone of the posts on these boards, I don't actually want to meet most of the commenters.

why is it that most successful "trial lawyers" went to TTT schools? is it because TTT students typically were street thugs growing up and carry that mentality over to their practice?

58: explain. I don't follow.

38,

South Texas Law grads do very well in Houston.

UVA. You'll end up in NYC anyway, if you want.

Personally, NYC would have majorly distracted me during school, and living in the city means your living situation is going to be even dumpier and more expensive.

Comment about networking being better at NYU totally true, though.

58, I follow what your TRYING to say, but I respectfully disagree. Its the claims that give 52 concern -- why? the dubiousness of them. That makes them dubious claims. Thanks for playing.

55 (not 62)

63,

No they don't. The top 5% do alright, but everyone else has trouble. They have a pretty good trial ad program and some decent faculty, but many students (not all) are borderline retarded. Like chew-on-a-shoe retarded.

58 - There's not much difference between being bothered by the dubiousness of specific claims in a petition and being bothered by those dubious claims in the petition. ... unless you think that the claims' dubiousness exists as something separate and apart from claims themselves. ... Whoa. Deep.

No scholarships in play.

I don't care about the "experience" of living in NYC -- I've never lived there but I've been so often that it's nothing new. In fact, I have quite a few friends in the boroughs, and with all the constant activity I wonder how anyone can (or at least if I could) concentrate on law school there. I've been somewhat looking forward to the more relaxed atmosphere of Cville. However, I am from the Northeast and certainly plan to be there after law school (D.C. is about the farthest afield I'd go -- maybe Chicago under special circumstances). Up here I've been getting a lot of "Virginia? ...Is that a good school?"

But the numbers don't lie:
Wachtell: UVA (1) - NYU (32)
Cravath: UVA (7) - NYU (63)
Skadden: UVA (43) - NYU (50)
S&C: UVA (25) - NYU (57)
Debevoise: UVA (7) - NYU (83)
Cadwalader: UVA (18) - NYU (59)

etc. (employment numbers sourced directly from firm pages)

I do apologize for the fact that this is completely unrelated to the post. I appreciate all the comments.

Thank you,
17 (12:24)

58, to drive it home:

"Despite the retardedness of your post, I still feel inclined to respond."

=

"Despite your retarded post, I still fell inclined to respond."

65: you're correcting me? There are at least three or four errors in that post.

"your" (sic)

"It's" = it is the claims. "Its" is a pronoun.

"Why? Their dubiousness. That makes them dubious claims."

58/70 - I admit pwnage for my errors.

/tail between legs @ 55

69: "Still" is redundant of "despite" in this circumstance. Also, in Englsh, it's spelled "feel."

Most people act dumb when given anonymity. Most people act sheep when identities are traceable. One of the greatest social genius was the invention of social security number. Most people are cowards.

To settle this grammar nerd once and for all, the best, clearest and simplest way to say it would have been: "The claims are dubious, but I'm inspired by the brief's fluid, effortless prose."

68 - but those numbers don't really answer the question unless you know 1) the relative size of the class at NYU and UVA; 2) how many students from each school even interview with the large NY firms, as opposed to going to D.C. or elsewhere, and 3) how those numbers are distributed over time (e.g. those firms may be recruiting more at those firms now than they did in the past). And probably there are other factors I'm just not thinking of.

i hope whoever told 17 to go away because his question was off topic has not been participating in this grammar argument. You're (your) all a bunch of losers. It's (its) tiring to sort through (thru) this crap.

How's this for a rule: people posting comments on blogs generaaly don't proofread, and therefore don't care about grammatical errors in their (there) writing (righting). Stop correcting people when the errors don't prevent your (you're) understanding of the comment.

Thanks!

i hope whoever told 17 to go away because his question was off topic has not been participating in this grammar argument. You're (your) all a bunch of losers. It's (its) tiring to sort through (thru) this crap.

How's this for a rule: people posting comments on blogs generaaly don't proofread, and therefore don't care about grammatical errors in their (there) writing (righting). Stop correcting people when the errors don't prevent your (you're) understanding of the comment.

Thanks!

61 -

Please explain. 'Thugs' at TTT, then carry a street mentality into practice?

Please tell me you wear a suit every day to do doc review on the 63rd floor of some monolith building.

Douchebags infect every practice of the law. Ask the Cadwalader folks...

NYU probably does place better in NYC. Part of the reason why is probably that fewer UVA grads are looking to go there (and especially to the meat-grinder firms you looked at). But certainly plausible those firms rate NYU kids somewhat more highly. More spots, but definitely more competition too.

I chose Apex Tech over NYU and when I graduated they let me keep the tools.

79 is correct. It may actually be EASIER to get a spot from the top of your class at UVA because you're not competing against the other top students for placement in NY. I assume (but do not know) that many UVA grads would prefer to work in the DC offices of prestigious firms, and not move to NY.

UVA's Career Services website says that 73 out of 367 grads in the class of 07 went to NYC. About 20%.

I have answers to everything

FIRST, re this post. I ask my attractive paras or secretaries to calm down deponents or opposing counsel all the time and I certainly DO NOT mean to fellate them.

SECOND, Dear Mr./Ms. 17 -- If you want the highest paying job (160 nation firm instead of 125 regional) or the best clerkship or government agency. NYU is the smarter choice. If you want southern gentile connections for a satisfying regional firm (ie a firm I would refer to as "local counsel"), UVA.

THIRD, if your stubly and thick, do razor ... in fact, go straight edge. If you are in a permanent state of peach fuzz, either one will work.

75 -- quite true.

Leiter averages NYU classes at 450 warm bodies; UVA at 375. When I was visiting UVA, I overheard one of the administrators complaining that nobody wanted to work anywhere but NYC. Despite that, NYU placed about 66% of its recent class in NYC; the rest scattered around the country in tiny amounts. DC and NYC dominate UVA placement, with DC edging out NYC by a small but significant margin.

I don't do math good, but I think that means that 3-4x as many NYU grads are going to NYC than are UVA grads? We may have actually learned something here!

Sorry, my thoughts got a bit disconnected. What I meant was that UVA admins were complaining that nobody seemed to want to work anywhere but NYC, and yet not even 50% of UVA grads get jobs there. So either the admin's perspective was skewed (or he was exaggerating out of frustration), or it's more difficult to get a NYC job from UVA.

85, for the classes of 2004-2007, UVA Career Services states that 256 graduates got jobs in NYC. If over the same period we assume an average class size of 450 at NYU, and an average in-NYC placement of 65% from each of those classes, we see 450*4=1800 students total, *.65=1170 graduates placed in NYC. 1170/256 means that for every UVA grad placed in NYC, there are slightly over 4.5 NYU grads. Interesting indeed.

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66 - That is hilarious regarding that south texas place - chew on a shoe retarded. I take it you did not got there.

what do the grads do that gives you that perception?

i would grow a beard if i could.

students at s. tex. u. wear shoes?

87-Yes, sadly, most women can't grow beards. But you should feel lucky. Shaving every day is a pain.

For a complaint with such a pompous tone, you'd think they would spell "dependent" correctly.

17:
NYU unless your focus in law school will be softball.

36:
Grow a pair and shave like a man. Soap, straight razor and against the grain.

87-
The ones that aren't retarded have trouble analyitically. Generally speaking, my experience has been that they are practically good attorneys, but they lack the ability to properly analyze a case, or see past the words on a page to reach their affect. That, and one time I saw one of them chewing on his shoe.

Don't they mean "deviant" nature?

I think by "internships" he means clinical placements. It is a valid statement and true.

Ease off.

But 92, you lack the ability to properly spell.

42:
Anyone who lives in NY who doesn't talk about the bars and clubs isn't going to/getting into the right ones.

84/86 -

Your story (and I suspect your hearing) is just ridiculously inaccurate. As a recent UVA grad (who also turned down Columbia and never regretted it for a moment) I know of numerous people who had difficulties getting screening interviews in DC but no problems receiving offers from very well-regarded NYC firms. It's a simple supply and demand issue: many more UVA students want to go to DC, so that market is tougher but it makes NYC much easier. I suspect that the opposite is true for Columbia/NYU students who face lots of competition in NYC but can probably get DC jobs with less effort than UVA people.

Yes, all of this suggests, somewhat ironically, that prospective students at top schools (like the commenter in this post) may actually help themselves in recruiting by going to the school more physically removed from the market in which they ultimately want to practice.

97 is right. As a UVA grad, if you're looking outside of DC (I went to Chicago) you'll have NO problems EVER getting interviews, assuming you have decent grades.

Throw in the lower cost of living, the golf course with affordable student rates, C-ville, gorgeous undergrads, prevalent bourbon, Foxfield Races, softball, beer in the courtyard every Thursday, Dandelion Parade, ACC football and basketball, and, oh yeah, FEB CLUB....well, it's pretty much a no-brainer that you'd pick ATL's "Coolest Law School" over NYU 11 out of 10 times.

I certainly may have heard the administrator's remarks out of context. For instance, perhaps he was talking about his children.

Interesting point, however, about the counterintuitive aspect of location.

I don't golf, don't watch racing, basketball, or college football, and don't drink bourbon (tastes like gasoline -- scotch is immeasurably better, but I generally stick to gin), but in general "life" terms, I'll probably get more out of 3 years at UVA than I would at NYU. I've got the rest of my life to live in cities.

The paralegal is hot, but she is not innocent!

5:42, this is 20. I actually came back to this thread to see what people had said. I am Northeast/Midatlantic raised and schooled (until UVA) and am back in the NE now.

Gotta say, 98 makes me miss the place. That said, not everyone watches racing and plays softball. I was/am a gin drinker too and hate NASCAR.

My three years in Cville was fantastic. Four weeks 'til I get to go back to interview (and play Birdwood).

99 -- 98 didn't mention college football, he mentioned ACC football, which is like high school football except that high school football matters.

If her allegations are true, and the environment was so hostile, why did she stay there for so long?

It sounds to me like perhaps the advances, if any, were not unwelcome as alleged.

Excellent drafting @
"at a minimum, Robinson was expected to fellate Laminack's very expensive yet defective expert witness."

They say to use colorful verbs... hopefully one day I'll get to use "fellate" on a court document.

Guess I should go to school and become a paralegal. I could become a specialist. =)