Fashion Advice Open Thread: Commuter Shoes?
No, the message below did not come from Winston & Strawn partner Thomas Mills. But our correspondent seems to share some of Mr. Mills's concern over the way that professional women dress these days. The focus is on footwear:
Can we talk about "commuter shoes"? During Barbri, I took the Metro to GW [in DC], and last week I attended some of the sessions at the Mother Hub at 1500 Broadway [in New York]. I have noticed that women have no fear of wearing any old, non-matching, disgusting, flip-flops, shower shoes, running shoes or slippers to work. (My favorite look is the black pantyhose, mid-calf socks, and bright white running shoes.)I saw these women then walk into buildings of prominent law firms, sometimes without even changing their "CS's" first. Is this acceptable? I understand the need for comfort, but damn, they look terrible.
Well, at least they're not as bad as Crocs.
The last time we offered fashion advice, on the subject of appropriate attire for weekend work, we got lambasted for being out of touch. Also, unlike paralegal / drag queen Jenna Saisquoi, we lack expertise in women's footwear (although we're working on it).
So this time around, we turned to an expert. We presented the reader's inquiry to Natalie Hormilla, editor of ATL's sister site, Fashionista.
Read her response, and offer your own opinion, after the jump.
Here's what Natalie of Fashionista had to say about "commuter shoes":
i used to see this a lot more when i lived in jersey city, but i don't see it nearly as much in new york.do we think it's acceptable: well, that depends. we understand that work shoes can often be uncomfortable, especially if they're skinny, high-heeled pumps, and that walking to and from the train in them is especially awful. so, it's totally fine to wear flip flips for the commute, or cute flats during the winter.
but what we don't understand is the running shoes. we don't think they're any more comfortable than sandals or flats, and on top of that, they take up way more room in your bag. plus, it looks kind of silly in the street.
so, commuter shoes are fine, but white nikes with a black suit? not so much.
Readers, do you agree? Feel free to opine, in the comments.
Earlier: What To Wear To Work on the Weekend: Open Thread
Crocs: Ugly and Dangerous

let's get to the more important question: is there any regulation against french cuffs?
Guys in my high school used to wear shoes. It was no big deal.
i wear flats to commute. goes better with the work clothes, particularly skirts. sometimes i stay in the flats all day long. i dont' understand the white nikes, but maybe these women have foot problems, i usually give them the benefit of the doubt.
Tell your tipster to try taking the DC Metro - stairs galore - in pumps.
After 9/11, I think wearing tennis shoes is probably smart, although ugly. When I first moved to NYC, my roommate gave me some smart advice: "if you can't run in them, don't wear them on your commute." While I don't pair white sneakers with black suits, I always make sure to have a pair of shoes I can "run" in accessible.
As a woman attorney in a big firm who is 7 1/2 months pregnant, I wear the flip flops for commuting and yes, even wear them into the building. No I don't feel guilty or embarrased at my choice of footwear (I do change into an inch heel after I stop at the bathroom for the 8th time that morning and sit down at my desk).
Who needs commuter shoes? Just do what that Skadden lawyer does and take a town car both ways:
http://abovethelaw.com/2008/07/skadden_arps_car_service_suit.php
For those of us who actually get off our fat a** and run, running shoes are perfectly appropriate.
Take them off before you enter the building though or be prepared to suffer evil eye glances from senior male partners. The some high ups here have pet peeves about flip flops inside the building.
What about for guys?
I walk to work (10-15 minutes) in Manhattan. Is it acceptable to wear sneakers with my biz casual and leave dress shoes at work to change into?
This would be more comfortable and also make my dress shoes last longer.
I think it's fine to wear them as far as your desk, but change them first thing when you get there. Also, bright white sneakers always look stupid with work clothes. Just get some flats for pete's sake.
I live in Chicago and either walk 25-30 minutes or take a bus to the office, which also requires walking a few blocks. Walking that far in heels would both (a) ruin my shoes; and (b) ruin my feet. Neither are attractive options. I wear flats and flip flops for summer and various boots for winter. Silliness aside, if I want to change them before I get into the office, it's my prerogative. Was the commenter a man? Has he seen how fast you need to re-heel even expensive heels if you parade around the street with them on?
none of this is a problem if your gellin'
4:30
Aside from having sex with men, that comment is probably the gayest thing about you.
these shoes are not good enough for business casual. if less is accepted then these are fine. its quite simple, these shoes look like crap but if its not important to the firm then wear what you want
I second 4:30's query:
Is it cool for dude's to rock running shoes into the building? I can see why it wouldn't be, but you'd look like a jackass changing shoes on the curb.
Heels...the taller the better...
this is horrible.
we're talking about shoes???? seriously???
let's do a post on Sex and the City next, followed by a post on the best mani/pedi places in each city, ending with a post on The Hills.
shoes = TTT
4:30...who cares? you're the one who has to walk your commute, so do what works for you.
i walk ~20 minutes to work every day, and wear a pair of black adidas cross-training shoes. they blend well w/ whatever i wear (as opposed to white running shoes), and they're great to walk in. and yeah, my dress shoes stay a lot nicer b/c they stay in the office.
i don't see the problem with wearing commuting shoes "into the building." are you forced to sit on the steps outside and change shoes in the middle of pedestrian traffic, like at the airport? do these "senior male partners" give the evil eye to someone with a coat on in the winter, or must you take that off before you enter the lobby as well?
Don't hate. Some of us will be new to the world of biglaw this fall and need to know the ins and outs. All I'm sayin is, can a dude rock some running shoes to his desk, or must he change before entering the bldg.? Whether or not I enjoy the company of men (do I!) is neither here nor there.
4:38 - agreed this is horrible in fullest terms. especially now that some are talking about mens shoes and can a man change etc. what the hell is going on here!
i don't see why an attorney should ever be allowed to wear anything less than business casual, at a minimum. what if a client sees you on the street, or in a restuarant, or at a Yankees game?
If you're a dude, get heel taps put on your dress shoes. Inexpensive way to extend the life of the heels on your shoes.
FRENCH CUFFS ARE AMAZE as long as you rock cuff links that match your status within the firm (nothing ostentatious for first years or summers).
4:43(1)...wear 'em if you want to. it's not the thing that's going to make or break your legal career.
rather, part of what will make or break your career is the ability to accurately separate the important things from the unimportant.
4:43: Wear what you want to to commute and then change at your desk. If you're in BIGLAW, there's always going to be some douchebag who thinks you dress inappropriately in some respect - you can't win. Don't be governed by the extremes and just use your judgment.
I think running shoes or Mephistos or whatever are about ten times more comfortable than flats or sandals. Also, sandals on the NYC subway guarantee filthy feet.
Flip flops have no place anywhere in a professional services environment, period. Running shoes are actually much more acceptable, IMHO.
If you're an attractive woman please feel free to wear whatever you want.
4:43(1)- I would go with black shoes tennis shoes or indoor soccer shoes or something. Running shoes might look too ridiculous with a suit or business casual.
4:43,
It is not acceptable to wear them period. You're a guy. One, having to walk 20 minutes is not that big of a deal. Two, if it is that big of a deal, buy more comfortable shoes.
I walk in my MBTs (yes they are white, and yes I wear them with my black suit) to the office. My shoes are in my bag. I change in my office. Then change back to my walking shoes when I leave. That this causes someone to believe I have violated some fashion rules, too bad. I wouldn't wear them in court, in a client meeting, etc., but with my feet I'd rather be comfortable on my way to and from work.
4:43 - "Whether or not I enjoy the company of men (do I!) is neither here nor there"
uh no its relevant otherwise this topic woould not be discussed, just horrible what has happened to atl
Nike is coming out with a sneaker for this- "Air Litigator"
Well in keeping in the spirit of the thread: So are you a Samatha, Miranda, Carrie, or a Charlotte? I am totally a Charlotte, but I soooo want to be a Samatha. But gosh darn it, I love those shoes on Carrie. And being the big corporate lawyer in the Big City, I guess I'm a little Miranda too.
I h ave actually seen two MEN wearing flip flops to work this summer. French cuff shirts sans suit and tie is f'ing guido. And what's the deal with men's shoes? The plastic looking ones with the big, unrefined square toes, the side seams, etc, are all f'ing cheap looking. The gayest are the ones with the curling up toe box.
I h ave actually seen two MEN wearing flip flops to work this summer. French cuff shirts sans suit and tie is f'ing guido. And what's the deal with men's shoes? The plastic looking ones with the big, unrefined square toes, the side seams, etc, are all f'ing cheap looking. The gayest are the ones with the curling up toe box.
Well in keeping in the spirit of the thread: So are you a Samatha, Miranda, Carrie, or a Charlotte? I am totally a Charlotte, but I soooo want to be a Samatha. But gosh darn it, I love those shoes on Carrie. And being the big corporate lawyer in the Big City, I guess I'm a little Miranda too.
Nike already *has* a shoe for this, at least for women. Cole Haan makes sneakers, slip-ons, and ballet flats with Nike Air soles, that are both extremely comfortable, *and* stylish. Suck it up and buy a pair to walk in.
I have lived in both DC and NYC. In DC, I took the Metro and I always wore comfortable tennis shoes to and from work. I never received a strange look, because every other woman on the Metro did the same thing. However, in NYC, I walked to work every day and I only wore heels. For some reason, NYC gals believe 3-4 inch heels are like tennis shoes, and give strange looks if you are wearing them for anything other than running/exercise. I know it looks silly, but my feet were killing me!
4:57: Why on earth would I spend that kind of money on a fancy shoe-with-a-sneaker-sole to grind into the ground while commuting? Oh, right. To placate people like you who are offended by the sight of people commuting in sneakers.
I think the guy at Winston was in part right on
NY to 4-inch!
4:48, what do you think of your MBTs? I've seen them around and wonder if they really do all that they claim to. Are your legs more toned?
I challenge any guy who thinks badly of a woman for wearing comfy sneakers to and from work to spend a few rush hours in her tasteful 3-inch pumps.
Personally, I never looked down on a man for loosening his tie on the Metro.
I don't understand how people handle the commuting shoes situation with pants that are hemmed for heels. If I tried to wear flip flops, I'd end up walking on the bottom of my pants.
4:58: I live in NYC and wouldn't look twice at somebody commuting in tennis shoes.
4:59 -- how about the fact that you can have it both ways -- take pride in how you look, and be comfortable -- instead of immediately dropping to lowest/easiest way to do something?
5:00 - no way am i getting rid of 8 inches!
5:04: Because I'm an adult who is not fixated on what others think of me while I'm commuting.
5:02 wear a belt retard
5:07 - since a belt makes the legs of your pants shorter? the pants stay up at the waist. the problem is length, in case that wasn't obvious by the comment about "heels."
5:04, b/c taking pride in how you look doesn't require worrying what every d-bag on the subway thinks of you.
--not 4:59
I think it is hot has hell when women do shit like this, especially when they rock the flipflops.
5:02: That's why I stick to sneakers. I've ruined many a cuff wearing flip-flops.
5:07 well if you did then maybe someone will be interested in you for a change!
Hear hear, 5:08...
women look stupid who commute in crap like this. If your shoes hurt to walk in, then, gasp!, buy some shoes that are sensible to commute in and work in. Problem solved.
you can be a female attorney and enjoy sweatpants. you can look very professional in the office, and prefer sneakers to even *gasp* flats once you leave.
now i know we all have our opinions on professional wear, but if i can litigate better than you, i'll be damned if you're going to be privileged to look down on me for my high-arch problems while your taking your overpriced, high-heeled wearing, pencil-pushing self to work. i get it. your feet can take more punishment than mine - but they still can't bill more, can they?
and for the record, i wouldn't say flip-flops are so much classier than sneakers anyway.
5:11: You're probably one of those women who think that guys dump you because your manicure isn't perfect rather than because you're insufferable.
5:13 In other words, she kicked your ass in motion practice last weak and your fragile male ego can't handle it.
5:08 well then maybe its time for a new tailor than actually knows how to cuff pants. though i actually have the cuff problem because im a mid-size and only some european companies make that size. but a competent tailor should solve your problem.
I tend to wear what I'll call "placeholder" shoes. They're the same heel height as the cute shoes that I keep at the office, so my pants aren't dragging, but they're 10x more comfortable and walkable because they have sturdy heels or wedges. The placeholder shoes are generally ugly and not the sort of thing you'd want to include in your outfit (unless you were a grandmother), but the beauty of them is that they are black or other dark colors so that, unless someone is really studying your outfit, no one will notice that you're not wearing this season's Manolo. Suggested brands for placeholder shoes: Ecco, Clarks, Born, Sofft, Beautifeel, Taryn Rose, Josef Seibel, Easy Spirit, Aerosoles, etc.
Its easy to talk about, its easy to sum it up when you just talk about shoes. We sittin' in here, I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talkin' about shoes. I mean listen, we talkin bout shoes. Not a game, not a game, not a game. We talkin bout shoes. Not a game, not a, not a, not the game that I go out there and die for, and play every game like its my last. Not the game. We talkin' bout shoes, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin' bout shoes. I know I'm supposed to be there, I know I'm supposed to lead by example. I know that, and I'm not shovin' it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know its important, I do. I honestly do. But we talkin' bout shoes, man. What are we talkin' bout? Shoes? We talkin' bout shoesman. We talk... We talkin' bout shoes. We talkin' bout shoes. We ain't talkin' bout the game, we talkin' bout shoes, man. When you come into the arena, and you see me play, you see me play, don't you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin' bout shoesright now. We talkin' bout shoes. (crowd laughs) Man look, I hear you, its funny to me too. I mean, its strange, its strange to me too. But we talkin' bout shoesman. We not even talkin' bout the game, the actual game, when it matters. We talkin' bout shoes.
no woman "rocks the flip flops." They look like little high school girls who have no idea about proper decor.
5:11 - Do you consider women who don't wear heels to work and enjoy sweatpants insufferable?
Umm, 5:14, you're totally missing it. If the heels give you 2-4 inches of height, and your pants are hemmed to that length, and you wear shoes that are shorter, your pants will drag on the ground.
It's comment threads like this that keep me coming back to this site day after day.
"5:13 In other words, she kicked your ass in motion practice last weak and your fragile male ego can't handle it."
A quick exercise in reading reveals that he was referring to 5:11(1) and most obviously not 5:11(2). Also, you misspelled "week."
4:44: You're kidding, right? I should always dress in business casual or better on the off chance that a client might see me outside of the office? WTF.
To Tipster/Commenter,
Why don't you try walking in heels all day, especially for blocks to and from work during your daily commute. Not only does it hurt like a mother, but kills your energy level to half of what it normally is.
"but what we don't understand is the running shoes. we don't think they're any more comfortable than sandals or flats"
I think Natalie (of the royal 'we') is clueless to make a comment like this. She probably hasn't worn running shoes or played any kind of sport in a long, long time (if ever). To claim that sandals or flats are as comfortable as running shoes is patently ludicrous.
To the other women---why wear heels anyways? I wear flats (usually naturalizer).
Sure, I like the height heels give, but I don't want to screw up my feet/shins/etc.
And Manolos? Unless you just really like the way they look, there is no reason to wear designer shoes. They shouldn't be considered a requirement.
"but what we don't understand is the running shoes. we don't think they're any more comfortable than sandals or flats"
I think Natalie (of the royal 'we') is clueless to make a comment like this. She probably hasn't worn running shoes or played any kind of sport in a long, long time (if ever). To claim that sandals or flats are as comfortable as running shoes is patently ludicrous.
For the guys out there who can't find work shoes that are comfortable enough for commuting: Cole Haan. They are made by Nike and are by far the most comfortable dress shoes I have ever worn.
I'll wear what I want. Don't worry about my shoes - worry about whether I am going to kick your ass in court. There is no correlation.
Girls who wear heels while commuting to work are pathetic Carrie Bradshaw wannabes. No one cares if you change at work, even old male partners.
And to the douche who claims that "women look stupid who commute in crap like this": You're obviously an idiot who has never had a job that involved commuting, especially commuting using anything as disgusting as the NYC subway.
I'm a man, I leave a pair of "proper" shoes at the office, and if it's raining or winter weather not requiring boots or whatever, I'll wear black running shoes to work. If a woman is concerned about how it looks wearing running shoes to work, why can't she buy solid black (or brown, or whatever) running shoes instead of white, at least except for up close it won't be so obvious.
Sorry 5:19. Itchy trigger finger.
5:22: Thank you - you are absolutely right. If you have any kind of a walk to work - especially when the weather is cold, sneakers are more durable, more comfortable, and just better for your feet and ankles. I may just be getting old, but I find a marked difference.
i think the placeholder shoes idea is the best yet. i wear flats but i've struggled with the pants-dragging-on-the-ground problem. though now that i'm pregnant i mostly wear my pants hemmed for short heels/flats anyway.
I'm definitely a Miranda (w/o the red hair)...never want to be a Samantha (she is too focus'd on s*x)..Charlotte is way to girly for me...and Carrie, well, i just dont understand her!
On shoes - judgment call carries the day...but there is no point upsetting a rainmaking partner simply because you can't change shoes while ordering your cup of coffee/tea.
God, I love California. Hop out of convertible into office. Can wear almost whatever the hell I want.
Enjoy NY and all that "prestige," I'll enjoy my life and earning the same salary.
First, in NY, women wear sneakers all the time with dress clothes. Its not that unusual, though flats would look better. But seriously, if you think its odd, you obviously arent from NY.
Guys get less of a pass since A) there is such a thing as comfortable, nice looking shoes for guys B) no mans dress shoe is ANYWHERE near as uncomfotable as a nice set of heels.
And seriously, the only people I knew that gave a crap about what they looked like when they ENTERED the building (before work started and before they were anywhere near clients or external counsel) were people from TTT law schools. Seriously, the more they cared about their appearance, the crappier their school.
I dont even like being elitist, but seriously, I had georgetown people telling me their career counselors were telling them to buy 1000 dollar suits for interviews. Heck, if you are having so much trouble getting a job, you worry about what you wear that much (you can get certainly acceptable fitted suits for around 400), then your attire is the least of your worries.
Just have good attire to wear while you are AT work. Maybe at the Jones Days of the world, you could get a bad review for coming by the office or leaving the office in gym clothes early in the morning or late in the day (you do want yoru associates to live a long time, right?), but really, dont worry about the 2 or 3 partners who have stupid pet peeves.
Dress respectful for work, always look good for clients, work hard. ANything you do the 15 minutes you come into work or 15 as you leave are irrelevant.
Anyone watch Baldwin Hills?
Congrats, 5:27 (2), did you always aspire to be a cookie-cutter?
What about commuter shoes for men? I'm constantly wearing holes in my dress shoes because I wear them all day, including the walk to/from the train; my shoes generally don't last more than 2-3 months before I have holes in the soles, and then I'll suffer through maybe 1-2 more months of my big toe scraping the sidewalk with every step and my feet getting wet every time it rains before I break down and buy a new pair. But I never see men wearing commuter shoes. What's up with that?
5:33---Have you considered getting them resoled? Or getting advice from the guys on more durable shoes?
5:29: I hear you regarding the law school-based insecurity. I went to a local NYC law school and they absolutely would've advised somebody to not walk into the building with commuter shoes in lest they offend some 90-year-old partner with Alzheimer's.
French cuffs only confirm that a man has no idea what proper "business" dress is. Barrel cuffs, button down collars, white or blue shirt, and a 2 button suit. All the fancy cuffs, collars, colors, and suiting are fine for evening wear, but they have no place in the office.
I'll also add that the most poorly-dressed summer associates at my office are invariably from top-ranked schools. There's a fine line between comfortable and entitled, kids.
Would this problem exist if women weren't hell-bent on being taller than they actually are?
5:35-- I had one pair resoled but they charged me almost as much as a new pair of shoes would have cost (concededly at DSW), and put big thick rubber soles on my wingtips that looked stupid. Feel free to share advice on strong-soled shoes, though.
It's a resoundingly negative reflection on the firm that actually cares whether women wear "commuter shoes" as they enter the building in the morning and sit down at their desk.
5:33: Get better shoes. Rotate them. Subscribe to Esquire and GQ so your mongrel ass doesn't need to be told these things on a fucking law blog!
5:38 -- a good cobbler will ask what type of sole you want. If these are "good" dress shoes, the choice will be leather. There is no reason the new soles should last only a couple of months. For starters, you should not be wearing the same pair of shoes every day. This is not for appearance, but to give the shoe proper time to air out. But again, we're talking good shoes here, not DSW (maybe Nordstrom Rack, but not DSW).
5:27, did you really just censor your own use of the word sex? I'll give you a hint: it's not a bad word.
Guys, the only shoes to wear are Allen-Edmonds. Plain, black, cap toe (Park Avenue model) with grey suits--only acceptable option. $220 or so at the outlet, $325ish retail. Worth every penny. Dark brown if you want with navy suits. Get one with some brouging if you want, but it's less formal.
Aldens are great shoes, too, but much harder to find if you're not in Boston, NY, SF, etc. and they're twice as much.
Skip J&M--used to be solid, Amercian shoes, but now they're mass-produced crap you can find in any mall.
The English makers are fine, but not worth the huge jump in price in my opinion (though you can order them from Malaysia and save a few bucks).
Leave your square-toed, grain-corrected Kenneth Coles back in high school.
Following up on 5:39's advice, I would also recommend learning how to walk right and not being a fat ass.
Love Cole Haans, 5:22. Personally, I don't do the sneakers or any other non-work clothes attire when going to and from work on a weekday. Just doesn't feel right, I guess. I certainly don't care what other people do, especially girls, because I am sure those heels can be a pain.
5:41: DSW carries perfectly good shoes, just at a discount. I've bought Cole Haan, Joan and David, etc. at DSW.
5.41 - as a matter of fact, i do, eliminates guesswork. f'ing retard
"Enjoy NY and all that "prestige," I'll enjoy my life and earning the same salary."
Bitter, party of one!
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Seriously, people from top law schools never learned how to dress and are usually ugly. This is such a testament to the attitude of post-baby boom privileged white suburban kids.
5:36 - you're from the Midwest, right?
There's nothing wrong with well-fitted French cuffs (not those huge things you'll find at Express) with taseful links or silk knots. Spend $100 (or more if you'd like, but HK makers can give you good fabric for $100), get your shirt made to fit (why do people stress about suits and yet wear sails for shirts?), and you can get spread collar, French cuffs, barrel cuffs with 2-buttons, button-down collars--whatever you want that's classic--and you'll be fine.
5:46 -- let's get this straight: you ask ridiculous questions about shoes on ATL, some people ridicule you and others offer legit advice; yet, your temper must be as bad as your walk, because you cannot distinguish between advice and ridicule. Have fun witih those crappy shoes, messed up walk, and rubber soles, sport.
5:36 -- two button? HELL no, not on me. Three button or nothing.
5:48 - Um...quite the opposite. I'm just fine, thanks. How's the weather? Beautiful day in the Bay Area, as always.
5:16(2) -- outstanding. you, sir, are a baller.
5:36 has to be a joke or a non-client interacting aTTTorney.
5:50--
I'm not sure what 5:46 was talking about, or if perhaps his comment was directed at 5:41(2) (it doesn't make a lot of sense in response to either), but I posted the shoe question at 5:33 and did not write 5:46.
Though I would add that my initial question was hardly "ridiculous."
I wear sneakers in winter. I do it because even in flats my feet start to hurt after standing in the subway for 30+ minutes.... but they feel fine in sneakers. I also have one of the closest offices to the elevator bank, so I rarely see anyone before I enter my office.
I wear sneakers in winter. I do it because even in flats my feet start to hurt after standing in the subway for 30+ minutes.... but they feel fine in sneakers. I also have one of the closest offices to the elevator bank, so I rarely see anyone before I enter my office.
LOLZ OMG 5:27 said SEX!
5:53 - BS. Bay Area ain't that nice, pal. It's cold as hell in the summer, and the weather is shit. I like San Fran, no way in hell is it better than NY with all the weirdos and hills. Not to mention that rent is just as high as NY.
New Topic: what is the proper footwear when jetting the office at 6 pm?
SLOW NEWS DAY!
In other news, an Alabama TTT is considering merging with an Arkansas TTT...
Jesus Christ, how about some news about white guys with asian girls?
- King of WGWAG
commuting = TTT
Ferragamo, Barrett, Hermes, and Dior are the only shoes that should grace a real man's foot.
I see no excuse for men to ever wear commuter shoes as men's dress shoes are pretty comfy. But I do, every day. WTF to that.
Also, double WTF to wearing a baseball hat with a suit.
5:58 - Bay Area is more than just SF. The Valley (where I'd guess 3/5 of the BigLaw attorneys in the Bay Area work) definitely isn't cold.
Yes, there are weirdos and hills--both add to the charm. Rent in SF is ridiculous (though not bad on the Peninsula, though I won't live there until I have kids, if even then), but I guess that means people want to live here.
I far prefer SF to NY (though NY would be my second choice). Let's rag on the real loser cities, like Atlanta and fill-in-the-blank, Texas. Why the hell does anyone (in their 20's or early 30's) move to those places?
To each his own (w/r/t NY and SF). (And Go Yanks!)
6:03 - Yes, if you're a GQ model and/or trend-whore. Some of us seek to dress professionally while at work.
I made the comment about the top law school people being ugly and not knowing how to dress. It was a stupid comment and I apologize for it. That 10th step is a doozy, kids.
Actually, 5:36 is a native of Los Angeles who has spent significant time living and working in DC and Chicago. Has worked with two AmLaw 100 firms, though neither is Skadden or its ilk so most on this board will regard as TTT.
I suspect I'm older than most of the posters on this message board, and I'm quite certain that I'm better schooled in the art of dressing like a gentleman. I've never been accused of being fashionable, but I've also never been accused of being attired in a way that was anything short of pleasing to my clients.
As for the fellow who swears by Allen Edmonds shoes, I have one word for you Alden (cordovan long wing blucher).
6:05 = closet Ohio native
6:10 - Wisconsin, but thanks.
Women don't really care what you think about our "CS." The day men start to wear high heels is the day when you can start commenting on the topic. At least there is a legit purpose for the unfashionable attire. A better question is - why do men wear black and navy? it's a shame.
6:05 - agreed. If not NY, it'd be a toss-up for me b/w SF and Southern Cali. I am not a huge fan of the general vibe, but it's hard to argue with nice weather year round and the ocean.
I don't think it is about wearing heels all the way to work or that there is a problem with "commuter shoes", but is it that difficult to match them to your outfit? If you don't want to wear heels then don't, but it doesn't mean that all sense of fashion and color coordination has to go in the bag with the work shoes.
6:10 - I mentioned Alden, but still prefer having 2 pairs of AEs for the same price. If I make partner/GC dollars at some point, I will wear Alden.
- 5:42
If your shoes are so uncomfortable that you can't even wear them on the way to work, maybe you should look into getting new shoes.
6:09 = guy on my floor in the worn out Allen Edmonds and off-the-rack suit.
-6:03
p.s. Please wash your hands after you use the restroom. The way you dress is why no one invites you to lunch. The fecal-matter fingers are why we won't even shake your hand.
Who cares? I bike a short distance to work and come in every day in shorts. I then close and lock the door to my office and put on a suit (I store several in my office). Nobody at my firm seems bothered by this. However, I can't speak for the people at the office across the street, who routinely see me parading around in my undies.
Ferragamo? $900 for shoes? For a man? For work? No way, Jose! I might spend $600 on some Louis Vutton loafers, but that's coz they're a classic, and they might help me pick up chicks. Dude, lay off the dope.