Legal Eagle Wedding Watch 6.29 and 7.6: Crimson Tied
Should summer associates get married? We don't mean at all (though it's an intriguing thought) -- just while they're summers. On the one hand, summers aren't doing much real work, and those fat paychecks will help contribute nicely to the honeymoon fund (unless you're already hitting your guests up for that). On the other hand, last-minute wedding preparations could interfere with all those social events. And do you really want to remind the firm that you might one day procreate?
We're pondering these questions because one of our three brides this week is currently a summer associate. We think it's a gutsy move, and we wish her the best of luck with her marriage and her offer. On to our three contestant couples:
1.) Cecilia Silver and Jason Lichter
Read more about these couples, after the jump.
1.) Cecilia Silver and Jason Lichter
(Buy them a Wii.)
The Case:
- We'll begin with the bride and groom's educational credentials, where we observe a rare H-Y-P trifecta, with a little Oxford action on the side. Jason contributes the H and the Y (law school and undergrad, respectively), with Cecilia providing the P (undergrad; she also has a master's from Oxford). The only stinkweed in this bouquet of Ivy perfection is Ceclia's law degree, which is from lowly Georgetown.
- They're co-workers (at Weil, Gotshal & Manges). No details on their courtship, but we'd like to think they've been naughty in the copy room at least once.
The Case Against:
- Weil appears not to have a business-attire policy for firm photos, with the unfortunate result that too
many of their attorneys look like GAP associates. Cecilia, taking casual to new depths, seems to be sporting a t-shirt.
2.) Amanda Sharp and Kristoffer Hinson
The Case:
(Buy them a sheet set.)
- This bride and groom met their freshman year at Harvard. After some time in Michigan (where Kristoffer was working for Ford), they're returning to Cambridge, where they'll both double down on degrees from the Big H. Amanda will be at HLS; Kristoffer will be at HBS.
- The groom's name is "Kristoffer Leif." Nice to see the Nords representing. Who says there's no diversity in the NYT weddings section?
The Case Against:
- With mom and dad's four Harvard degrees, the school will be hard-pressed to turn down little Sven and Olga Hinson when they apply in 20 years. Long live meritocracy!
3.) Anne O'Hagen and John Karl
(Buy them a sofa.)
The Case:
- Oh, Dartmouth grads -- LEWW loves you so. This couple met there, as undergrads, on ski patrol. Their website reveals that "Anne was a fetching young freshman apprentice and John was the hot-shot older patroller."
- Both Anne and John have remained in the Ivy League for grad school: she's a rising 3L at Yale (and a summer associate at Mannatt, Phelps & Phillips), and he just finished his first year of medical school at Columbia.
The Case Against:
- In general, we love the J. Crew vibe of their picture. But oy, are those tan lines?
The Verdict:
A tough one; these couples are pretty evenly matched. We're going with Team Silver-Lichter, which admittedly has the only non-Ivy degree of the week, but also has two lawyers and H-Y-P. Congratulations, Weil things!
(51) 
O'Hagen is the cutest. Should have won.
Amazing people. With their offspring, there is hope for this world after all.
All 3 are extremely attractive and accomplished women who wouldn't look twice at the degenerate trolls (who likely are addicted to internet porn) commenting negatively on their appearance on this site.
Jason Lichter - is that pronounced "licked er?"
When will we get a couple with HYPOS?
How do you find out about these people getting married, anyhow? And why post them on AtL? I don't know any of these mofos and couldn't care less if they're getting married.
O'Hagen has a li'l bit of the horse-face going on. Sharp and Hinson would have been a better choice
Anne and John are great people and a great couple.
Getting married at 23 or 24 is lame. Live a little first! You'll soon find out that marriage leaves a lot to be desired.
I was fortunate enough to get a SA position my first summer. Next year, I'll be returning to the same firm (a kind of pseudo-offer, ie. come back next year and we'll make you an offer). I will be getting married next May about a week after finals end, take my honeymoon the week after, then start up at the firm as soon as I get back from our trip. I find this to be a much better alternative to trying to get married the following summer, while trying to cram for the bar exam. I think it's an entirely manageable idea, and anyone who can't handle a wedding along with the work of a SA probably shouldn't be an attorney.
Couple two seems the hottest, but I guess if you want some diversity in your credentials you go with one.
Still, four Harvard degrees will make the kids a lock (in a way that diverse degrees doesn't) so I think that really should have cut the win for #2.
Also, your love Dartmouth is sad. HYP should just kick them out of the league (along with Cornell, Penn, and Brown). I guess we can leave Columbia in if we really want to and because four teams makes for better tourneys.
The second and third couples are optimistic. Good luck to 'em. Their lives will change so dramatically once they get out of school, the odds are against them. Back in property class many years ago, my prof asked all of the married students to raise their hands. Then he cited the disproportionately high divorce statistic for married couples within the 5 year period following law school graduation. Wasn't very diplomatic.
Nope. Rule 12.3(g) states "If you register for a Wii on your wedding registry you are automatically disqualified for being an ass."
f you re: g'town comment.
notwithstanding, first couple gets both a slap and a nod (1) for hiding daddy's profession as the couple's chauffeur but (2) for obviously not having the "silver" spoon syndrome (pun intended).
They also get an extra big slap for being stupid enough not only to (a) get married young and (b) to marry another attorney, but also to (c) marry someone you work with. Caveat emptor baby.
Other than Karl, the guys look like they'll discover the joys of [insert last name of SEC Chairman here] within 5 years.
ja das ist gut, give me an apfelstrudel, ja.
WTF. The funniest comments were deleted.
Why did Mayor Goldie Wilson allow Biff to take over Hill Valley?
HY should kick P out.
5:06, actually, getting married young and to another attorney can be quite a smart move. It means that you don't have to worry about being single and being able to find someone while you're still relatively attractive yet have zero free time as a junior associate. Then there's the added bonus that your spouse won't care if you stay late at work, because he/she is also staying late at work. The only stupid part was marrying someone from the same firm. Too much together time.
Walking in on department head effing your 1st year wife's A with his big fat C @ review time = pricele... uh, TTT
If you don't get married because you think it will interfere with your work as a SUMMER ASSOCIATE, you need to seriously rethink your priorities.
If you don't get married because you think it will interfere with your work as a SUMMER ASSOCIATE, you need to seriously rethink your priorities.
Of course it's a good move to get married as a summer. Quoting Alec Baldwin from the Departed: "Marriage is an important part of getting ahead. It lets people know you’re not a homo. A married guy seems more stable. People see the ring, they think ‘at least somebody can stand the son of a bitch.’ Ladies see the ring, they know immediately that you must have some cash, and your cock must work.”
5:11 - They always do.
Nice typos in RJ's Weil bio. (Click on "many"). Must have been too busy folding cotton sweaters to proofread.
4:50: Not so subtle Columbia trolling.
On couple #1, the trifecta sure is impressive, but isn't it majorly embarrassing to end up at Weil Gotshal after a HYP education? Most people I know who have HYP undergrad and HLS/YLS, if they work in New York, would only go to Davis Polk, Wachtell or Cravath (in D.C. there are a lot more selective firms, but not so in NYC).
I just got married this past May as a Summer Associate. I got married, took a two week honeymoon, and will still work my 10 weeks as a Summer. So far I haven't seen any ill effects - although, we'll see when offers come out!
Would Penn (State) have qualified for the "bouquet of Ivy perfection"?
Massapequa? the south shore?
ugh, the times is slipping
WHAT???? Funny comments were deleted? You've got to be kidding (I'm totally serious). They are the ONLY repeat ONLY reason for clicking on these inane elitist threads.
Someone please repost the comments.
Ms. Silver and I were in Beijing in 1998 when they'd overbooked our flight to the US. She unleashed a torrent of fiery vitriol on the desk agent until she got the two of us upgraded to first class on a different airline. In Chinese. I don't want to end up on the other side of a negotiation against her.
But there's no way she got an M.A. from Oxford in 2001 when she graduated Princeton in 2000. The M.A. degree is conferred upon those who got a 2:1 or better in their B.A. She might have gotten an MPhil or an MSt but not an M.A.
Anyone who announces their wedding in the NY Times = TTT
Anyone who announces their wedding in the NY Times = TTT
I'm sorry, but who really cares about P? I'd rather go to Rutgers. Okay, that's a lie. But you get my drift.
-H/YLS
Actually, NY Times itself = TTT
Where do you get your misinformation that photos for the NY Times wedding section are firm photos ("Weil appears not to have a business-attire policy for firm photos".)? How dumb, naive and preposterous!
Also, how does the guest who posted a comment re Ms. Silver's Oxford degree presume to know what year she received it? There was no date mentioned in the wedding announcement. Also he speaks with such authority re her credentials. How does he know what she got in her B.A.?
Who are all these authoritative, know-it-all blowhards? Lawyers?
It's obvious all you guys not only could never hack it at H-Y-P, but also will never make partner...wasting your employer's time parsing all this instead of working on those billable hours. All of you can't hold a candle to couple #1.
Wish this were "parsing...." instead of incessant, uninformed, unfocused, rambling, wannabe mindless musing. How about Getting Back To Work!
I know Cecilia and trust me, if she is wearing a
't-shirt', it is cashmere and probably Prada! And the groom was sporting a fabulous Prada suit at the wedding, so he's no GAP associate! Did anyone else notice how much these two smartie pants look alike?
They are the perfect match in many, many ways!
Hey comment 37, I wrote about her Oxford credentials because they're listed on her firm webpage. Even if she got a 2:1 or a 1st class B.A. at Oxford (thus making her eligible for an M.A. later on), the following M.A. would be awarded 21 terms after the matriculation toward the B.A. So if she graduated Princeton in 2000, and did a three year B.A. at Oxford, the earliest she'd be picking up her M.A. would be in 2006. But it's listed as 2001. Unless, sneaky, she got her got her first B.A. at Oxford in 1996, then went to Princeton and got a second B.A. in 2000, and then went back to Oxford for the conferral of her M.A.
An MSt. or an MPhil can be earned in one year, an M.A. cannot: a. be earned, but only conferred, and b. be conferred within one year of graduating.
I was not in any way implying that she couldn't / wouldn't have gotten an M.A. eventually if she were there for a B.A., just that it's physically impossible by University regulations to have received it in 2001, as it is listed on her page at Weil.
WHOA - great detail, comment #41 - all this thinking and pontificating re degree terms and dates and nomenclature!
Can tell you're a lawyer...but also an authority on "University regulations"? How'd you come by that? Self- conferred?
I know couple #1 and they are smartest by far. They trounce the competition. Also Lichter was HS valedictorian. Silver- Lichter rock!!!
Given the combined SAT scores of couple #1, on a relative basis the other 2 couples should have graduated from University of Hartford.
#42, I'm in Legal HR, and I'm sick of people trying to pass off "M.A., Oxon" as some sort of hot shit when it just means they were above 50th percentile for the B.A. and then paid the requisite fees 4 years after graduating to go back to Oxford to get a different gown and hood. Not to mention people putting "M.A." instead of what they actually earned (MPhil usually) because they're afraid HR won't know what that means.
#45: Just because you're toxic about "sneaky" people "passing off" credentials does not give you the right to impute that to Cecilia. She's got more character and integrity, plus intelligence and legitimate credentials than you do, I'm sure!
#27, why should it be "majorly (sic) embarassing" to end up at Weil after an HYP education? It's just been named #4 on the A-list. Obviously, these 2 HYP educated ones are smart enough to know where to end up, and "most people you know" are not.
#46, does she or does she not have an M.A.? If she does, she's a genius and superhuman. But the timeline doesn't add up. Plus, the NYT piece said she earned a Masters with Distinction, which Oxbridge won't give with an M.A. or the requisite B.A. So if she doesn't have an M.A., why is it listed on her firm website?
I'm sure she's smarter than me, but I'm not the one parading around illegitimate credentials.
#48, How would I know about her M.A.? I'm just kind of fascinated by your rancor. You're like a dog with a bone, as they say. Give it up, chill out, do some work, relax!
#49, read the whole thread! It's on her webpage @ Weil. It's summer associate season - work doesn't pick up until OCI.
mea culpa re: post #50. that's what I get for martinis at my desk at 4:30.