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'How To Handle This?'
(By not sending out over the law school list-serv?)

mich law catfight copy.jpgWhen you've been wronged, there's a part of you that wants the whole world to know. Maybe you think exposing the evildoer's misdeeds will bring solace, revenge, sympathy... But more often than not, it brings scorn. People just don't like tattletales.

Several tipsters sent along such an exchange from the University of Michigan's law school list-serv. Here's the catfight one law student sent out to the list-serv with the subject line, "not sure how to handle this:"

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:22 PM, TATTLETALE wrote:

EVILDOER,

Listen, I tried to be nice and understanding about all this but now it's just ridiculous! I did you a favor and now I've been stuck hounding you for my phone for months and months as if you're doing ME the favor! I bought that phone for $120, so either send me a check for that amount or return the phone ASAP...

I'm not going to lecture you about how this is no way to treat a law school class mate and definately [sic] no way to start making your reputation in the legal community -- hopefully you realize all that. Just return the phone or the money so I can finally forget about this after half a year!

-TATTLETALE
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:01:52 +0200
From: EVILDOER
Subject: Re: phone
To: TATTLETALE

You f***ing nasty b****,
My sister is gonna give you a f***ing check that you can f***ing hold onto until I come back from rome.
EVILDOER

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:54 AM, EVILDOER wrote:

I AM INF ***ING ROME YOU STUPID W****. I SAID I WILL MAIL IT TO YOU ONCE I
GET BACK. NO REASON TO BE A F***ING B****.

Is bar exam stress driving Michigan students over the edge?

Full exchange (warning: unredacted profanity), plus a bevy of responses, after the jump.

(We've redacted identities -- and appreciate your protecting anonymity in the comments. Thanks.)

Here's the original e-mail, followed by the list-serv responses. We've taken the liberty of giving nicknames to the respondents (to preserve anonymity):

Subject: now sure how to handle this...
From: TATTLETALE
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:43:32 -0400

Here's an email I received from a fellow law student yesterday.

background: I lent this girl my spare cellphone in Jan or Feb. I don't know her, I just answered her lawopen request to borrow a phone for a few weeks. Fast-forward to half a year and 3-4 emails from me later (all very nice, all of the "hope your semester is going great, just wondering when you'll be done with my phone" variety) and I'm still sitting here phone-less and feeling like an idiot for begging her for my phone back as if she's doing me the favor. A few days ago I sent a more firm email just demanding my phone
back already (you can see it below if you're interested), and this is what I got back from her (for some reason 2 separate replies):

----- Forwarded message from REDACTED-----
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:01:52 +0200
From: EVILDOER
Subject: Re: phone
To: TATTLETALE

You fucking nasty bitch,
My sister is gonna give you a fucking check that you can fucking hold onto until I come back from rome.
EVILDOER

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:54 AM, EVILDOER wrote:

I AM INF UCKING [sic] ROME YOU STUPID WHORE. I SAID I WILL MAIL IT TO YOU ONCE I
GET BACK. NO REASON TO BE A FUCKING BITCH.

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:22 PM, TATTLETALE wrote:

EVILDOER,

Listen, I tried to be nice and understanding about all this but now it's just ridiculous! I did you a favor and now I've been stuck hounding you for my phone for months and months as if you're doing ME the favor! I bought that phone for $120, so either send me a check for that amount or return the phone ASAP.

I'm leaving Ann Arbor, so my new address is: ....

I'm not going to lecture you about how this is no way to treat a law school class mate and definately no way to start making your reputation in the legal community -- hopefully you realize all that. Just return the phone or the money so I can finally forget about this after half a year!

-TATTLETALE

----- End forwarded message -----


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: DR. MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:51:55 -0700

TATTLETALE,

It looks more like you are airing your dirty laundry in public rather than asking lawopen how to deal with this situation. You HAVE in fact found a method of dealing with it, which is to try and show all of lawopen how horrible and unreasonable you think this person is. We have not been privy to the exchanges in between you, and for all we know there could be much more to the story. It is also interesting that you lent someone your phone 6 months ago, and did not seem to get serious about its return until after the semester had ended.

You may be having a real problem with the person to whom you've lent your phone, and you may be truly aggrieved and deserving of compensation, but lawopen, or any other public forum, is probably not the best place to address this particular issue, and just makes you look vindictive. Though the tone of her message was less than friendly, she has suggested a way to resolve the problem (her sister giving you a check to hold) so what exactly do you need help figuring out how to handle?

DR. MICHIGAN


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: RANDOM MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:22:56 -0400

She is obviously just lashing out because she couldn't get any recommendations for doctors in Rome.


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: SARCASTIC MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:57:47 -0400

Thank you, Randy Cohen. I can't wait to read your next column in the NY Times magazine tomorrow.


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: MEAN MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:07:41 -0400

Thanks for your analysis, DR. MICHIGAN. How much do you charge per session?


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: SICK-OF-THIS MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:08:29 -0400

Please remove me from this list. Thanks.


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: SMACKDOWN MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:03:04 -0400

If you hadn't identified her, I would've found this to be an entertaining story. Now it just looks like a smear campaign.

Sorry about your phone. We'll all be sure to beat down EVILDOER upon her return to Ann Arbor. That's what you're requesting, right?


Subject: Re: now sure how to handle this...
From: TATTLETALE
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:13:06 -0400

It's not a "smear campaign" if she's smearing herself. I didn't take anything out of context, just pasted her email, which spoke for itself obviously.

As for me airing my "dirty laundry" on lawopen, when you email a perfect stranger something really hateful (like she did to me) you can't honestly expect privacy. I chose to let the law school community know what happened, if you don't agree with that it's cool.

Anyway, I'm studying for the bar so I'm not devoting any more time to this.

Thanks to everyone who emailed me with their outrage and kind words!!


Subject: TATTLETALE is my hero
From: DELIRIOUS MICHIGAN
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:01:25 -0400

TATLETALE'S email is perhaps the best thing that has ever happened to lawopen. I can't stop laughing. Thank you for bringing pleasure to my life. I can't have jager because of bar review, but at least I can keep laughing at this email.

-DELIRIOUS MICHIGAN


Subject: How to handle this: The real question is....
From: SERIOUS MICHIGAN LAW STUDENT
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:56:38 -0400

If TATTLETALE took the check as security for the phone without notice of any other claims on the phone, would the check be negotiable?

And if she indorsed the instrument to a third-party to discharge the debt, would the original security interest be extinguished?

And what if she, by operation of will, devised the check and the underlying debt to her issue and their heirs, would the Rule in Shelley's case apply? Even if her domicile at the time of the conveyance was Guam?

Just another fun Saturday in Michigan. Good luck on the bar, folks!

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:00 PM

first

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:00 PM

first to

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:00 PM

first to say

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:01 PM

first to say Michigan

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:01 PM

first to say Michigan is a TTT

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:01 PM

first to say Michigan is a TTT in

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:01 PM

first to say Michigan is a TTT in decline

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:06 PM

"SERIOUS MICHIGAN LAW STUDENT"

No...he really isnt.

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:08 PM

Can I send Tattletale $120 to make this thing stop?

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:09 PM

lame

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:11 PM

Guys at my high school used to complain by e-mail and appear totally ineffectual and emasculated all the time, it was no big deal.

-FART STUD

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:13 PM

Lat, please ban the poster of 1-6. For life. Please. Thanks

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:14 PM

Michigan students are pussies: "I can't have jager cause of bar review." Grow a pair.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:14 PM

Clunky presentation on the post, Kash... But the exchange brought the lulz.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:15 PM

Apparently Michigan students cannot be trusted. I'll be sure to keep this in mind going forward.

-- Hiring Partner

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:17 PM

EVILDOER smells like pee. DO NOT sit next to her in class.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:17 PM

The power of shaming?

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:18 PM

Law school students lacking tact? OMGNOWAIZ.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:18 PM

So, this is two girls speaking to one another, and one girl (who is in law school at the University of Michigan) calls the other girl a 'bitch' and a 'whore' over a cell phone she borrowed.

Sorry, Michigan, this is beyond TTT. This is PWT...Pure White Trash.

Doin' the state proud, dawg...

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:18 PM

"I'm not going to lecture you about how this is no way to treat a law school class mate and definately no way to start making your reputation in the legal community..."

DEFINITELY not a good way to start making your reputation in the legal community with that misspelling.

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:19 PM

were those in-state admits?

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:21 PM

Ah yes. "When in Rome."

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:22 PM

EVILDOER is in-state... from Kalamazoo (as if you couldn't guess).

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:24 PM

"Michigan wants the 'Michigan student.' They read the personal statement to look for signs that you're outgoing, collegial, and driven, without being overly competitive."
-- Vault quote

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:24 PM

Who borrows a cell phone from somebody they don't know for more than a week? You would think a law student at a top law school could afford a cell phone. More importantly, who lends a cell phone to somebody they don't know? Did they just have an extra phone lying around? What the did the lendee do when she received calls directed to the owner? Did she change the voicemail message?

I don't care what the facts are... the borrower is a weirdo and definately a b****.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:26 PM

"Indorse"???

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:27 PM

this is just dumb - isn't there anything more entertaining?

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:28 PM

"Indorse" is a proper spelling, 26, just not used often.

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:28 PM

True story: a Michigan law student lied about being poor and begged people for money. The debt was collected.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:29 PM

All the spelling errors. Ouch. Sure glad I went to a first-tier law school.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:29 PM

25: Perhaps EVILDOER broke a phone, borrowed phone from TTTletale and put in her old sim card.

But really, wtf was TTTletale thinking loaning out a phone for that long to someone she probably did not know well and not follow up on getting $ until months later? Were these two friends and had a falling out or something?

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:30 PM

yes, "indorse" - clearly you haven't studied commercial paper.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:31 PM

31: no. evildoer is a 1L, tattletale is a 3L.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:32 PM

thank god i don't live in the midwest

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:33 PM

LOL @ 30: Michigan's T10.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:33 PM

I have never heard of first world people borrowing cellphones. Aren't cellphones like $50? Can't Rome chick get her own phone.

G to H to E-T-T-O girl you Ghetto, G to H to E-T-T-O, girl you Ghetto.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:33 PM

22:
Yes? Please, go on.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:34 PM

19: What makes you assume they are white?

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:34 PM

Nice redacting, but for the missed f-bomb.

Reminds me of a crazy guy's campaign sign in Louisiana a few years ago: "NO MORE B***-SHIT!"

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:34 PM

This is doing wonders for michigan's reputation as a first-rate law school, with a friendly, cooperative student body.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:34 PM

From that email exchange, TATTLETALE is clearly never getting her phone back. EVILDOER probably already bartered it for some sort of illegal substance, on which she was high when she wrote the two obscenity-laden emails.

On that note, whenever I read something in all-caps, I assume the writer is either 1) a failing middle-school student, 2) a spammer from a third world country, or 3) in the midst of his first week on the internet. Now I have to add to that list 4) a U Mich law student.

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:35 PM

Is that kitty considered a LOLCAT?

IM IN ROME WIT YUR CELFONE MAKIN' CALLZ ON YUR DIMEZ

43 Posted by t14lawDOTblogspot | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:36 PM

Alright. Who's going to point to their facebook profiles?

My guess: Tattletale is a big-boned redhead and Evildoer looks like she went bobbing for Frech fries in the local McDonald's deep fryer. It is Michigan...

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:36 PM

I agree with 25...who lends a stranger a cell phone for even one day. And who has been paying the bill for the past six months?

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:36 PM

35:

I just checked. You seem to be right about that. Odd, though. I didn't even apply to it as a back up school. Was it always T10?

-30 (HLS '06)

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:39 PM

I am not surprised. Michigan State Law School definitely is a TTT.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:40 PM

38:

They are white. You must be white if you are asking this. You can tell by the exchange. Here's what's between the lines:

"Like, oh my gosh, Suzy, you are such a, like, total bitch and stuff. I will get you your phone, stupid stupidface."

48 Posted by t14lawDOTblogspot | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:40 PM

45

They've been T10 ever since Tom Izzo showed up on campus.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:41 PM

Is UMichigan State Law School better than UPenn State Law School?

Its been really tough to tell the difference since those mergers.

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:41 PM

I agree with 44.

Plus, he/she could have just canceled the pone as lost and reactivated the account with a new phone.

What ever this dispute is about, it is not a phone.

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:41 PM

42, lol.

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:43 PM

"when you email a perfect stranger something really hateful (like she did to me)"

Wait, they're strangers?! Then why the F did TATTLETALE lend EVILDOER her phone?!

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:44 PM

I don't think the cell phone service was included in the transaction. HTH.

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:45 PM

I got accepted to both UMichigan State and UPenn State Law Schools - what do you want to know?

I think the Nittany Lions are a better football team than the Spartans. Reverse it in basketball.

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:45 PM

1. Evildoer is not white.

2. My classmates at Mich are great (for law students). Evildoer just happens to be completely insane (I've had numerous classes w/ her) and tattletale had an unfortunate lapse in judgment.

3. Meow.

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:45 PM

Sky pager.

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:46 PM

Also, the yawning cat does not look like a Wolverine.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:46 PM

Wolvereens over Quakers any day of the week, bitches!

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:47 PM

lol 35. first time here?

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:49 PM

is EVILDOES a 2 or 3L? If so, that's gonna be awkward when classes resume.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:50 PM

Kash, I am a female, and I don't appreciate the "cat fighting" innuendo. What if these two retards were men?

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:50 PM

michigan law is a horrible place. evildoer is a perfect example of the hellish people i deal with daily.

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:51 PM

Then it would be cock fighting, 61.

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:51 PM

I know Evil Doer and she is a very, very bad person. If I pointed out she's a minority, which she is, you'd call me racist.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:51 PM

Is Virginia Tech State Law School in Charlottesville the best of these three (the others being UPENN State and UMICH State)?

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:53 PM

There were a few of these in my top 5 law school. Of course, I had the good sense not to loan them a cell phone (or in this case a vibrator)

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:54 PM

64, you ARE a racist. What exactly was the point of "pointing out" that she is a minority if you weren't making some claim to its association with her behavior?

start URM acceptance commentary in 3... 2... 1...

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:54 PM

lol well this is pretty ghetto, why doesn't Evildoer just have her sister pay off TTTletale instead of having her hold a check, which could be worthless judging by the trashiness of the situation at hand

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:55 PM

Why didn't this dummy just report her phone as stolen and get a replacement with a new sim or whatever?

70 Posted by t14lawDOTblogspot | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:56 PM

65

I believe you're talking about UVA...and yes, it is the best because they play Beamer ball.

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:56 PM

Michigan is such a TTT. Those girls are PWT


-Alabama '06

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:57 PM

What race is evildoer?

What race is tattletale?

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:58 PM

45-
no ones cares where you went to law school loser.

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:58 PM

does this foreign stuff implicate the Hague Convention or something? I took a class on it while I was at Michigan State Law (go Wolverines!) but didn't learn anything really.

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM

45-
no ones cares where you went to law school loser.

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM

45-
no ones cares where you went to law school loser.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM

Ok, I know this is gonna be weird but how about bringing a little law into the comments section. 5 stars to the best argument for why evildoer has the right to cancel the check from her sister and keep the phone.

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM

45-
no ones cares where you went to law school loser.

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79 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM

67 - YOU are a racist. What exactly is the point of "pointing out" that 64 pointed out that she is a minority if you weren't making some claim to the association of 64's behavior with his/her majority status?

I've finally made myself laugh out loud. Well done, old boy (not the racist "boy")

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:00 PM

73:

45 went to Harvard. He doesn't care about rankings; he didn't even know that Michigan was T10. It's just that he's really, really smart. Which means that he isn't a loser -- quite the opposite. Plus he's really smart.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:01 PM

since when does the word "WHORE" have to written W****?

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:01 PM

touche, 79, that was awesome.

-67

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:02 PM

"69" - because there is a deductible (usually $40) that she probably does not want to pay

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:03 PM

73:

45 went to Harvard. He doesn't care about rankings; he didn't even know that Michigan was T10. It's just that he's really, really smart. Which means that he isn't a loser -- quite the opposite. Plus he's really smart.

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:03 PM

80-
or daddy went there first.

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:04 PM

83 - so she'd rather continue to finance the other girl's calling while roaming internationally? wait, you are the dummy.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:04 PM

38 -

It's law school, and I think it is a safe assumption. Most law students are white.

But 55 has pointed out that I am in error, and I am going to rely on this statement that the psycho is not white.

Knowing the error of my ways, I think the comments are even worse if the girl is black. There are numerous qualified black law applicants and practitioners, and it seems UM let this girl in on a reach (judging strictly by language and conduct). Hurts all black law students to have someone act this way...even though I don't think her race is the factor we should be considering. As other posters have stated, she may be mentally unstable in the first place.

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:04 PM

"Dr. Michigan" seems like an annoying, self-righteous prick. [S]he should be severely beaten.

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:05 PM

What does TTT mean? Also, I feel Tattletail's pain...those situations alway suck especially cause you feel stupid for trying to do something good...though it is a bit strange to lend a total stranger a phone

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:05 PM

harvards are softees

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:06 PM

EVILDOER is a minority but not an URM. Hope that helps.

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:08 PM

evil is not urm in the admission sense of it.

ps.

since michigan listserve got two whole separate emails informing us of how awesomely famous we are now I assume everyone who isnt on digest is coming her asap? how soon till suggestive hints of who the two are finally reveal the names for those 5 of you non-michigan people who are still posting here. I say 20 posts.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:08 PM

EVILDOER posted an apology this morning regarding her regrettable language: "I am sorry for the language I used and because of that that you guys had to be involved in this argument." Don't be sorry for that - it's how we know you're a crazy-ass bitch.

She continues: "I really hope that in the future, law open gets used as a proper place for law students to communicate about different things that interest law students as opposed to trying to mediate personal squabbles between fellow law students." Again, don't try to stem the tide - this is fucking hilarious.

Finally: "In the future, I hope to keep you only positively entertained with my questions like "Where do we find doctors in rome?" or "What color blood do Vulcans have?" (I recently learned it was green)." Okay - STOP. No. No more dumbass questions. This much needs to end NOW. You and your retarded questions can go to hell and die.

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:09 PM

86 - no dummy not true. i would think that she cancelled her plan and now is just fighting for the actual phone. if thats not the case, though, then you are correct

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:09 PM

FIRST to say Smackdown Michigan is great. (S)he seems like the only normal person at the Cooley Law School at the University of Michigan State - Kalamzoo, save perhaps for sick-of-this-michigan.

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:10 PM

Evaluating the tone of the emails as well some of the more truthful sounding comments, my hypothesis is:

TT probably had an extra cell phone without service that was lying around (as most people do when they upgrade to a new phone when the old is still functional) and responded to ED's request to borrow a phone on the listserve. This sounds like something a decent 3L human being would do for a 1L at his/her law school.

ED decides to hold onto the phone past her "few weeks" request and doesn't return the phone even though TT has requested the phone through 3-4 nice email requests. Then ED takes off for Rome for the summer without returning the phone.

Now TT wants to get her phone or its replacement value before she leaves Ann Arbor now that she doesn't need to study for the bar exam any longer (this sounds rational to me) and so asks more forcefully for her phone or replacement value. ED decides to cuss out TT for having the gall to say anything in strong terms (which ED deserved, and more) because ED "don't take no shit from nobody" because she's too damn good for that.

People like ED piss me off and its people like DR MICHIGAN who always make excuses for people like ED.

If you've ever had a woman stick her face 6 inches from yours (with a neck gyration for effect) while glaring and proclaiming "oh no you didn!" repeatedly, then you know what I mean.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:11 PM

91 -- Ameri-Asian or FOB?

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:12 PM

87 = clarence thomas (affirmative action)

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99 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:12 PM

First, most of the people at Michigan are really nice. When I went there, I loaned people stuff, they loaned stuff to me, and nobody stole nothing.

Clearly, EVILDOER is atypical, and TATTLETALE had a lapse of judgment.

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100 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:12 PM

The Michigan posters sound about the same as average posters on an ATL thread.

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101 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:15 PM

whats FOB?

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:16 PM

91 - only Asian in the British sense.

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103 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:17 PM

73:
awsome.

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104 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:17 PM

73:
awsome.

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105 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:18 PM

Piss on a Cat

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106 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:18 PM

101: free on board or fresh off the boat.

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:20 PM

100: that's because, perhaps, ATL posters are Michigan students. Betcha didn't think about that, did ya?

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108 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:23 PM

Let's look at the silver lining of this cloud: at the very least, the OP didn't borrow a Ford Taurus or a non-negotiable financial instrument.

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109 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:23 PM

73, 75-76, 78:

Wow. I'm the loser? Stop projecting.

110 Posted by Pacific Reporter | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:25 PM

96: TITCR
And I agree that Dr. Michigan sounds like a douche.

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111 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:25 PM

When one goes through life, on learns that it does not pay to put your dirty laundry on the street, through email or otherwise.

Regardless of the legitimacy of your complaints, people in general will thin less of you for inflicting the situation on them.

In the context of this post, only a complete moron would loan a stranger a cell phone OR complain about it publicly later.

My advice: Cancel the phone, and chalk the entire experience up to your own poor judgment .

That said, could you loan me your car for just a day?

How about your Visa Card?

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112 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:26 PM

96 - If Obama ends affirmative action, does that mean that the Auto Admit posters will stop coming over here to carefully explain why they don't really like black people?

(PS I'm really sorry that lady scared you that time.)

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113 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:27 PM

109/45 - omfg you really arer a loser. thats what youcome back with. thats it folks it confirmed what everone already knows about harvard - they suck! and so does their lawyering!

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114 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:29 PM

93:
Great Comments! Thank you :)

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115 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:33 PM

Evildoer is South Asian? We need specifics: Bangladeshi, Indian, Nepali, Pakistani, or Sri Lankan.

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:36 PM

113:

If only you were smart enough to see how ridiculous your post sounds. It's quite sad, really. Quite, quite sad. Meanwhile enjoy your "bright" future as a staff attorney.

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:36 PM

Evildoer is Ferengi

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:37 PM

Some kid's response (subject: "cell phone"):

The purpose of lawopen is to inform the law school COMMUNITY about matters that concern them. When someone wishes to borrow a cell phone, it is appropriate to announce the interest. However, once the cell phone has been borrowed, the details of the transaction and anything that happens thereafter are of no interest to people who are not parties to the transaction. This is especially true given the fact that the borrower had put down a $120 security deposit and promised to return the phone as soon as she was in the same location as the cell phone. While the borrower may have been negligent in failing to return the cell phone before leaving the country, it is not appropriate to announce this to the law school community. Rather, the dispute should be settled by depositing the security deposit check and closing the issue.

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119 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:40 PM

She can't be Ferengi. That's not an URM.

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120 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:42 PM

To 112: I know you're racist, but that is your problem, not mine. If my post reads like a description of black women to you, then you're the one with racial stereotypes. And I guess its unfortunate if alot of people picture black women as they read my post, but I'm not politically sensitive correct to change the facts.

I've had white and black women be rude in that manner to me at my high school job in a not-so-great neighborhood. And I've known plenty of crazy ghetto Asian women as well.

Another hypothesis - you sound black and I say this because one thing I have noticed is that black people tend to more vocally proclaim "racism" than any other. Asian and Hispanic people generally don't have much voice in this country and they don't have people like Jackson and Sharpton (total blowhards by the way) creating a frenzy of sensitivity.

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121 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:43 PM

To 112: I know you're racist, but that is your problem, not mine. If my post reads like a description of black women to you, then you're the one with racial stereotypes. And I guess its unfortunate if alot of people picture black women as they read my post, but I'm not politically sensitive correct to change the facts.

I've had white and black women be rude in that manner to me at my high school job in a not-so-great neighborhood. And I've known plenty of crazy ghetto Asian women as well.

Another hypothesis - you sound black and I say this because one thing I have noticed is that black people tend to more vocally proclaim "racism" than any other. Asian and Hispanic people generally don't have much voice in this country and they don't have people like Jackson and Sharpton (total blowhards by the way) creating a frenzy of sensitivity.

96

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122 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:47 PM

"I'm not going to lecture you about how this is no way to treat a law school class mate and definately no way to start making your reputation in the legal community -- hopefully you realize all that. "

Exceedingly lame. Either make a threat or don't.

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123 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:47 PM

typical legacy admits

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124 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 5:53 PM

93
marry me?

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125 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:01 PM

"Tattletale" is a really nice girl. It's a shame this happened.

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126 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:01 PM

118: Someone responded to that guy's lecturing email with this:

"WOW. This reads like a barbri model answer--I'll give 1-1/2 for stating the rule, and 2 1/3 for your cogent analysis. [Lecturer], you're good. Real good."

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127 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:04 PM

That's some pretty high quality stock they're turning out over there, eh?

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128 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:05 PM

Kash,
marry me?

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129 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:05 PM

125:

I agree. Tattletale is a really nice girl. It's only a shame if the publicity embarrasses TT, Evildoer richly deserves it.

-126

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130 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:09 PM

I'm an alum who still gets lawopen just for kicks, and I'm loving how Evildoer is taking it on the chin. For all of the emails she's sent over the past year, she deserves every bit of this.

It really sounds like Tattletale was just being a decent human being who made one mistake.

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131 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:12 PM

I have decided that my law school is in dire need of lawopen, if only for such great entertainment

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132 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:17 PM

...Why so serious?

-Joker

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133 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM

TATTLETALE did the school a great service. EVILDOER is a crazy crazy who treats lawopen like her personal concierge. TATTLETALE has spared others from EVILDOER's craziness in future transactions. Usually, I'm embarrassed for everyone involved in something like this, but EVILDOER is the single most unbalanced individual I've ever met in my life.

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134 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM

Maybe EVILDOER was not justified in calling her a bitch before this exchange happened, however through her actions, TATTLETALE has proved to the world that the words bequethed to her by EVILDOER were justified.