Unbelievably. Pointless.

Thirdsty!

Wonder if Elie can bust a tune like Lat...

Yeah, I'd hit that.

Not getting an offer makes me need to take a shot of fifthsky.

So important to six it up for a good marriage.

Winston

Churchill

Thx Lat, now I've got that damn song stuck in my head.

What about Wiley? Weren't they oversubscribed this year?

Winston & Strawn. Chicago. Look into it Lat.

Fetus got no offered.

In Texas, most big firms are falling over backwards to offer everyone. We don't soft-offer -- those are the folks most likely to accept and leave in a year or two. Scott Douglas, however, in Austin, is well-known for offering 20-25% of its summers.

Another UVA 2L here - what's an "offer?"

what happened at cadwalader?

10 --- yes! A partner friend at Wiley mentioned it. Said way more 2Ls accepted the summer associate gig than they ever expected.

How about a thread on how to recover from a "no-offer?" The no-offer children might need helpful suggestions - I'm just saying.

Despite hearing a lot about firms no-offering I haven't heard about any firm no-offering this year (except in isolated branches). Quite the contrary, if you believe the cold-offer thread, most firms are continuing to give 100% or nearly 100% offers. There does seem to be a handful of firms doing layoffs and MAYBE many more doing stealth layoffs but nothing widespread.

It seems like almost all law firms are giving out 100% or nearly 100% offers this year.

Unfounded rumors are bad for everyone. Firms can justify no-offering because "other firms are doing it" even though few if any firms are actually no offering.

Despite hearing a lot about firms no-offering I haven't heard about any firm no-offering this year (except in isolated branches). Quite the contrary, if you believe the cold-offer thread, most firms are continuing to give 100% or nearly 100% offers. There does seem to be a handful of firms doing layoffs and MAYBE many more doing stealth layoffs but nothing widespread.

It seems like almost all law firms are giving out 100% or nearly 100% offers this year.

Unfounded rumors are bad for everyone. Firms can justify no-offering because "other firms are doing it" even though few if any firms are actually no offering.

How about a thread on how to recover from a "no-offer?" The no-offer children might need helpful suggestions - I'm just saying.

How about a thread on how to recover from a "no-offer?" The no-offer children might need helpful suggestions - I'm just saying.

DLA NY no-offered a huge portion of their class. Somewhere between one-third and one-half.

20 got no-offered. Haha.

I can confirm that 34 of 38 of the summers at Wiley received offers. 4 did not...

everyone, or at least virtually everyone, at cadwalader got offers.

19: No offer threads are GOOD for no-offerees. If interviewers are prepared to think that a ton of people got no-offered this year, who wouldn't have been in different people, its better for the no-offerreed. (Even if "better" just means "interviewer looks sympathetic, not sneering, as she talks to me for the courtesy 10 minutes before sending out my rejection letter.")

25, yeah, offered to the door.

guys in my high school used to get no offered all the time, it was no big deal (they did get lots of soft-offers tho ;)

I think 20 has a good idea.

@28 - you are a terrible Frat Stud. You make me cry.

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I didn't receive an offer from my the firm I summered at (I wasn't the only one) in 2006.

It was a pretty terrible experience, and after sending out about 150 resumes to firms in NYC and DC I ended up with 8 offers from V100 firms.

I'm very happy with the firm that I'm at now and it is, hands down, a much better fit for me.

So, things do work out -- but the process is not easy!

26- you make a good point but miss what I was trying to say. A mere statement that lots of people are getting no-offers is no benefit even to those who truly get no-offered. Firms will contact the law firm an individual leaves from and learn that he was one of the few to get no-offered. It seems to me that no-offers are no worse this year than the last few years. Only the claims of no offers are widespread.

27, no, offered jobs.

To the no-offerees: don't take no for an answer. Just show up the first day new associates are to start. Sure, it may get a little uncomfortable, but you have to do what you have in this economy.

31 -- which TTT firm are you with?

34, LOL.

I'm still waiting on an offer from the feds - 15-20.

I'm not wearing pants right now.

35, I'm at a V10. The firm I summer at was closer to a V60.

~31

31/39 - your pants are on fire.

The Texas comment is untrue. I know of many firms in Houston, Dallas, and Austin that have no offered 10%+ of their summer classes. This is far higher than the usual 1% or so.

The Texas comment is untrue. I know of many firms in Houston, Dallas, and Austin that have no offered 10%+ of their summer classes. This is far higher than the usual 1% or so.

it doesnt matter to me, obama made me an offer.

im the veep!

i know a kid who got no offered by linklaters. kid was a straight dog though - so he basically deserved it.

Honestly, who cares about Texas. Stop bothering us with your retarded double posts.

This is stupid. Why would a firm no-offer summers because of the economy? This year's summers won't join their practices for 1, 2 (clerkship or 1L) or 3 (clerkship+1L) years! Plenty of time to slowly ease people out to make room for incoming first years later. Lat, I really expect more from you than some inane and ridiculous posts that are tantamount to fear-mongering.

31/39 - if you were at a V10 firm, you wouldn't be reading a legal blog designed for naive law students. You'd probably be billing or something, perhaps producing some type of work product.

Somebody get a fire extinguisher for this guy's pants.

46 - great use of "inane" and "tantamount" in your post. Excuse me while I punch myself in the crotch a few times. you most certainly will receive a "thanks, but no thanks" when it's your time to shine.

I attend Harvard Law School. You do not.

almost half of class no-offered at Seyfarth Shaw

31/39 - I believe you: the same thing happened to me. My summer firm is currently somewhere north of V50 and I did not get an offer. I interviewed everywhere under the sun as a 3L (not fun) and went straight to a V10 where I am very happy and doing well.

As for advice for 20/21 - find the attorneys at your summer firm who would give you a good recommendation. And do not try to hide the fact that you got no-offered from anyone. It will come out eventually (either in an interview or in office gossip) and you should be prepared to discuss it without appearing defensive.

47 -- I hate to break it to you, but this blog used to be designed for BIGLAW associates (i.e. NYC to 190K!) not naive law students.

While you think that you'll be spending most of your time at a V10 working on bet the company litigation and cross-border transactions, you'll really be doing doc review for hours on end.

*Not 31/39, but just another cynical associate.

49 - A bunch of runny-nosed snots in tweed jackets...

4:58 = not true.

only about 80% of stroock's NY class received offers.

Please don't post manipulated song lycrics again - it's embarrassing for everyone involved.

How about a list of firms that have given 100% offers?

51 = 31/39 = pants ablaze.

52 = "cynical associate" at a law firm in a stripmall.

No offers probably won't be viewed the same way this year as they have in the past. Big firms all know which other ones are struggling. The ones that aren't, are really proud of it. In other words, they will be happy to steal top graduates for their "superior, busy" firm. Just do the best you can to improve your resume -- don't slack off your third year, try to get a clerkship or some public interest experience, and keep applying until you succeed.

50, I don't know about that. But Seyfarth is definitely laying associates off.

Is Seyfarth laying off associates in Los Angeles?

Winston Chicago no-offered around 10%. No explanations why.

honest question- would you advise taking an SA offer at Sullivan over anything below? I'm debating whether to continue callbacks or not. thanks.

50, not sure about your number, but Seyfarth is definitely no offering people

I know the people at Sonneschein in Chicago haven't heard yet. And their summer program ended three weeks ago.

So can we confirm: No-offering is still a rare practice? By the way 10% sounds about right...

What atlanta firms extend a lot of no offers?

I've heard these firms have no-offered a lot in the past:
Kilpatrick Stockton
McKenna Long

These firms give most summers offers?
K&S
A&B
Troutman

Any adivce would be appreciated--2L going to atlanta

uh . . . can anyone confirm or deny what 22 said? because that's kind of a big deal.

Don't worry. I heard that Michael Jordan got no-offered his freshman year in high school.

DLA in NY DEFINITELY no offered people. I am an attorney who conducted interviews at a top law school and we ran into at least three former DLA summers that had not received offers.

63 - Continue callbacks. I hear that 52's stripmall firm is looking for some new blood.

No offered at Cooley :(

I have a good friend who was a summer at Debevoise and she said she didn't know whether she has an offer, she hadn't heard yet. She said no one she knew had received an offer, and that people were starting to freak out. Are they strategically delaying their decisions? It really screws over their summers, now they all have to reinterview? Is this their normal practice. Certainly something I'd want to know before being a summer there. I don't know want to have reinterview as a third year.

65, I would bet money a portion of that Sonnenschein class gets no/soft offered. The last round of cuts there was up and down the ranks, partners included. I heard Sonnenschein is looking to phase out its summer program altogether anyway, so they may not mind the hit to recruiting.

Soft Offers?

I just figured out what a cold offer is.

No offered at Brobeck :(

73: if interview season starts and you don't know if you have an offer or not, you are kind of screwed. You have to go interview if you don't know, but once you get into the room when they ask if you got an offer and you say you don't know, the firms tend to assume that either (1) you aren't going to get one, and view you as a no offer or (2) assume that you're not really interested in reinterviewing and you'll take the summer offer once it comes through. If you're a 3L with an offer, the first thing the firm is going to want to know is why you're shopping around.

Its hard out there for a 3L, no matter what your situation.

50 - which Seyfarth office?

73 is totally misinformed

75: same thing.

I agree with 79. Way to start a lame rumor, though, 73.

73 here. how am i misinformed? my friend doesn't know yet whether she has an offer at Debevoise. Neither do the other people she knows in her summer class that she feels comfortable discussing with. Perhaps some people have offers, but not everyone. And isn't that worse then, to leave some people hanging out there?

82 - if your friend is still at Debevoise, she will find out if she has an offer on or slightly before her last day as a summer. If her summer stint it over, she has already found out.

A&B's Charlotte office allegedly no-offered 2 in its summer class.

it over = is over.

Are there any other firms that have not told their summers whether they have an offer yet?

Cravath and White & Case cold-offered and no-offered a small % of their summer classes.

I can't verify that DLA no offered 50% of their class, but rumor has it that it was far more than the usual one or two people who "didn't fit in." I'm surprised that there hasn't been a post on this yet.

Firms in Texas have traditionally no-offered a decent portion of their classes - they look to offer only people who are a fit for their culture and who they believe want to be around for the long-term.

Don't take my word on it - look at last year's figures in NALP for Fulbright, V&E, et al - you'll get 75% or so offer figures.

I hope some of the SAs who got no-offered do not try to chalk it up entirely to the economy. At many firms, this simply will not be true. The COLD offers will be because of the economy at those firms - your NO offer will be because you screwed up.

Is it so hard to earn $3000 a week and conduct yourself with tact? Apparently so.

Stroock No-Offered over 20% of their summer class. STAY AWAY!!!!!!

Any word on no-offers in Charlotte? I was guessing that city was going to get hit pretty hard.

23 - 17/20/21 here. I'm a mid-level, not a SA, you douchetard!

I still think a post on how to handle the no offer topic during an interview will be very helpful to a lot of SAs who were not fortunate enough to receive offers.

31 & 51 - thanks for your post, I'm sure the children appreciate it .

23 - 17/20/21 here. I'm a mid-level, not a SA, you douchetard!

I still think a post on how to handle the no offer topic during an interview will be very helpful to a lot of SAs who were not fortunate enough to receive offers.

31 & 51 - thanks for your post, I'm sure the children appreciate it .

Thacher Proffitt din't no offer any SAs! What a bunch of douchebags!

If you got no offered, but truthful if asked directly. People check. If it does not come up, be quiet.

I have seen some people get over it by applying in another geographic region or to firms that differed from the one they were at. You can say it was not a good fit (away from spouse, made to work in a practice group in which you had no interest, wanting to be a practice group that only took 1 person, followed girl/guy to a place you were not too sure about and you broke up, etc) and you are picking the new place based on better fit. This story works best when you are from Kansas and worked NYC. People might pity you.

You might not get hired until after you pass the bar. Increase the odds of a job by making your 3rd year productive, including by pushing up grades, getting some useful work experience (e.g., intern with a judge).

Save your money. You will have to pay for your summer, bar review etc. if you cannot line up a firm job.

Do some introspection. The 2 summers that did not get offers at my firm only have themselves to blame. Showing up late and leaving early and not taking the dire economy into consideration when acting put out when given an assignment will get you zip in this market.

If you got no offered, ask the firm if you can come back for a few weeks during your 3L summer to show them you really can do the work even if you do it on your dime. Ask that the no offer be converted to an offer to return. Then do what you can to find something else. If you cannot, then work your ass off when you get back to the firm and pray you catch a break (uptick in economy and firm needs bodies).

DLA LA no-offered at least 3 SAs; all from So Cal law schools.

The LA Winston office had 5 transaction summer associates, and told them 2 days before the end of the summer that only one would get an offer.

True to their word, only one ended up getting an offer.

Don't look at percentages. They are misleading. My firm no offered 3 out 30 in DC. 10% but only 3. Get an offer so long as you have a practice group that wants you even if others were not impressed. Vote was unanimous to no offer, which says a lot.

99, why did those summers lock themselves into transactional when that work is dead? Do you know if they had a chance to get work or an offer from other groups?

Found an interviewer on facebook. Poke her or no?

102: you should definitely pork her.

78, 50 is wrong.

Pillsbury DC extending offers, but for 2010.

I have no idea if 84 is right re: A&B CLT, but that office is interviewing 3Ls. So even if its right, it wasnt b/c they couldnt abosrb them

Gibson Dunn no-offered a couple people in some of the smaller satellite offices. Warning for those thinking about smaller CA offices.

Anyone hear anything about King and Spalding in Houston? It would be interesting to see if they learned their lesson from last year when they got torn apart on ATL in a very similar posting.

Katten LA no-offered several summers

I know of at least one no offer scenario in DC this summer. I was out at a bar and a decently attractive chic started chatting me up. Based on everything I saw at the time, I was more than prepared to giver her a firm offer.

As things progressed, I imagined her to be a document and I pondered how she should be tagged.

I thought of her as a complaint and imagined the proper venue for filing. I was hoping to engage in some sort of multi-district action.

To be great surprise, her credentials were not what I imagined. Only moments before extending the offer, I finally got to study her ass as she spoke with my recruiting coordinator.

It was awful. It was so awful that I could not take the risk of putting forth a cold offer. The cold offer would have equaled a soft offer for me.

I realize the economy is tough and that SAs need employment. But, this was a bridge too far. I'm not sure my firm would survive the reputational damage that would ensue from extending her an offer.

As a result, tonight, I officially no offered 100% of the SA class of August 22.

False postings about Winston LA. All 12 summers got offers and most of them have already accepted.

110 here,

Be I give myself an offer, I need to correct a typo. Sorry that I can't offer everyone a blackline.

'To be (should say "my") great surprise, her credentials were not what I imagined. Only moments before extending the offer, I finally got to study her ass as she spoke with my recruiting coordinator.

110 & 112 here again,

I guess I'm too drunk to be reporting my hiring information to NALP. Another f-ing typo:

"Be I give myself an offer, I need to correct a typo. Sorry that I can't offer everyone a blackline."

That should say "[b]efore I give myself an offer...."

I don't know about you, but I don't necessarily want to go to a firm that gives 100% offers - isn't that the point of the summer program - to cut out students that don't make the grade? I want to be somewhere that is a little bit selective...

I don't know about you, but I don't necessarily want to go to a firm that gives 100% offers - isn't that the point of the summer program - to cut out students that don't make the grade? I want to be somewhere that is a little bit selective...

114,

I totally agree....especially where fat asses are involved.

Managing Partner, Dick Firm LLP

i hear dla did not give 100% offers in any of their offices. there is no work for existing associates, how can they expect to take on new ones?

i hear dla did not give 100% offers in any of their offices. there is no work for existing associates, how can they expect to take on new ones?

Amen, #115... been saying that all along.

I can't choice between Davis Polk & Wardwell or White & Case.
Between these two which one has the best office out of curiosity and also salary differences?

This is not my criteria for finding which suits me but it was just for fun, if it comes down to this point I would have chosen the best office. LOL

Do any of the V5 ever have time to talk among themselves (associates) besides lunch time?

Ex: go to a bar or even go watch a game together. I know you are not there to socialize but what about after work?

45,

Was that kid from a law school in the midwest?

Sonnenschein gave offers out.

Sonnenschein gave offers out.

Sonnenschein gave offers out.

120 - salary differences? If you're seriously asking that question, I have to wonder if you're truly interviewing for a summer associate slot at Biglaw firms. The NALP directory is a good place to go to get a clue.

Also, "choice" is not a verb.

Cooley SF no-offered 3 SAs

Now just imagine if you go to a third-tier law school that doesn't do sh*t for it's students. Top 10% and Law Review can barely get you a firm job at places like NY Law. Then, imagine - - - No Offer? You're once in a lifetime chance coming from that crappy school is shot.

Ya I was wondering about that myself 120, do the V5 associates ever get together?

the number of summer associates at biglaw this year was insanely bloated, even if the legal/deal economy had not collapsed (which it has).

firms that refuse to make the tough decisions (no offer most of the bloated classes) will find rainmakers leaving to better managed firms.

top half of the class at shit law (shit law being anything below USNews top 8-12) should not equal biglaw, but last year anyone with a pulse was able to get a biglaw SA spot due to shitty management.

DLA no-offered a significant portion of their NY class.

I know at least 1 person at White & Case who was no-offered, surprisingly to me since they seemed like someone who would do fine at whatever firm.

126 is right: Cooley Godward in SF no-offered 3 students.

bryan cave no-offered 2/5 in their LA office, and 6 out of the NY class

Wilson Sonsini no offered several, I heard.

the career office at my top ten LS reported a record number of cold offers and no offers this year. it was described as an "epidemic."

Wonderful piece of shit you dropped there, Lat. Perhaps the lamest post in the long history of lame posts on this site. Here's hoping that in the future you manage to scrap together (a) some talent; and (b) a real job.

DLA SD no offered at least 1/4 of their summer class.

dla is a sinking ship. associates can't even bill 100 hours/month outside of litigation.

Important interviewing tip for 2Ls: Firms overhired for this last summer. That mistake will not happen again. So classes will be much smaller this year and firms will be looking for any excuse not to take a candidate. You cannot afford to act as though a firm is your second pick unless you have an offer from your first pick in hand. You need to act as though every firm is the only firm for you. This also affects those of you that want to split. Firms will take that as a sign of non-commitment unless you are splitting with your 1L firm, the federal government or a non-profit. Be sincere and humble.

For 1Ls, grades matter more than ever. Do not limit your 2L summer opportunities by screwing around as though you are still an undergrad.

WinsTTTon & STTTrawn = stealth layoffs

Would an offer with no start date be considered a cold offer? Do all offer letters usually have start dates?

Our Seattle area school doesn't get visited by a lot of biglaw firms, but two of the handful have canceled interviews for OCI. I haven't heard of any people that have offers from biglaw get laid off, but I have heard that their start date has been pushed back. Additionally, nearly all of the state and local organizations have instituted a hiring freeze. The attorney general, the three largest county prosecutor's offices,