no one will cancel on harvard. mark weber will PWN THOSE BITCHES

Guys in my high school used to cancel on-campus interviews all the time, it was no big deal.

Arnstein & Lehr in Chicago cancelled.

White Girls With Asian Guys

I sort of respect the firms for cancelling the on-campus interviews/summer sessions. It seems financially responsible and better for the associates to whom they've already committed. Sucks for the law students, I know. But say someone is uncerttain about the economy and his financial position and so decides not to buy a new Lexus--that's prudent and responsible even though it sucks for the Lexus salesman.

Anyone who cancels their summer program = TTT.

Dammit, why'd I waste two bids on AG if they're closing offices!

Thanks for the thread, Kash.

Dick & Balls, LLP is hiring.

Barnes & Thornburg didn't cancel our OCI.

Or maybe our career office didn't inform us because it figured no one would schedule Barnes anyway...

Dechert withdrew from W&L/W&M Northeast program and will "call candidates individually based on their cover letters." riiiiiight.

T14 School,
Powell Goldstein dropped for some offices. Edwards Angell Palmer Dodge dropped.

MoFo LA cancelled Penn interviews

Also: McKenna Long & Aldridge, LLP dropped.

AG in Philly cancelled

MoFo is still coming to our T14.

MoFo is still coming to our T14.

John Marshall Law school? wtf? Do people from such a terrible law school get legal jobs? what is the teir 7 or 8.

MoFo hasn't (yet) cancelled at NYU.

7 -- Anyone who can't make his pronouns agree is TTT

Damn, I've got to get my girl to rock that body

How much do law firms have to pay to come on campus? It is probably cost cutting

BLS 2L here...

Dorsey cancelled.
Cadwalader is still interviewing with 42 slots.
MoFo is doing resume collection only - cancelled OCI.

Nearly two years ago, Barnes & Thornburg cancelled - or shall I say precluded - its OCI with regard to me in particular (in response to my direct mailing).

Now heading to a V30 about which I could not be happier. THANK YOU B & T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23:

What is BLS?

Boalt

brookland or boise

Hmmm. That's a shame.

I was really waiting for it to be Brooklyn... Boise would have been great.

Appalachian 2L here. What is OCI?

Baker & Hostetler Orlando pulled out of my OCI

25 - Brooklyn Law - there is not a lot of love for BLS on this board from certain haters.

Flame away.... (despite the fact that we pull in a decent amount of firms for oci - about 100 firms combined (EIP + FIP)

haha, wow its spelled brooklyn...

31 - FIU has OCI?

Are Ropes & Gray OK still?

Wachtell has pulled out of OCI at Pace, still going through with Hofstra though.

32:

No problem with Brooklyn. It's smart to go to a school in NYC if that's where you want to practice and don't have numbers for T14.

A friend from undergrad goes there and has only good things to say about it. She pulled a firm gig as a 1L. I was impressed.

30 - Assuming that was a joke, well done.

I don't have a problem with Brooklyn Law School. But, I do have a problem with using "BLS" like we're all supposed to know what that means. You aren't YLS, HLS, NYU, GULC, etc. Nobody had any idea what school you were talking about.

Just in case anyone missed it, Paul Hastings is still a festering rat hole.

Thacher Profitt and Wood doubled its interview schedule

Skadden is not coming to BYU.

Cadwalader is still interviewing at GULC. The only firms I recall dropping out were midwestern and Texas firms (and perhaps some small firms).

skadden has a Salt Lake office?

Skadden isn't coming to Catholic, either.

Wachtell has added an extra day at Fordham. 4 days total.

I imagine many more firms will simply decide not hire any summers from several schools and conduct interviews anyway.

39

co-sign. I was confused the other day when someone continued to write UM Law (maybe it was U of M Law) and I thought it was Michigan. It turned out to be Miami. Sad

Jesus Christ, put that video behind a cut, you kill my computer every time I load the site!

I'll be attending a CCN school in the fall. How worried should I be?

1:

Would you buy a ticket to ride the Titanic because you thought there'd be a lot of high end rooms with great views since most of the passengers were dead?

Not unless you're TTT.

39 - Sorry, I'm just lazy.

Cadwalader was actually the first firm to respond to the bidding, a day after the bloodletting. Out of the 42 available slots, about 20 were still available (you can accept their invitation or decline). I like to believe Cadwalader did it so quickly because they want to gauge people's opinion of the firm after the layoffs.

50 - you are a name dropping tool, of course those schools will be fine.

Campus Climate Neutral like Vermont of Colorado-Boulder? I don't think that comes into play with OCIs. No worries.

Wachtell scheduled 10 days of interviews at Touro.

Can we get a list of all the firms that have had layoffs in this cycle and in the past cycle? Also, what practice groups are the most resilient?

53: Perhaps, but . . . Columbia is one of the schools mentioned in the original article. And, no, I would be name-dropping if I mentioned my school's name. Is it Chi, NYU, or CLS? You don't know.

Wachtell scheduled 10 days of interviews at Touro.

There was a rumor that a Mintz Levin office was dropping out of OGI at UVA. As of now though they're still listed and have selected people for interviews in at least the Boston office.

Anybody who uses "abbrev's" regarding their law school is TTT, I don't care if they go to BLS, or a "CCN" school, or anywhere else that is not commonly known by that abreviation outside of the law school applicant nerd horde. See 30's post for examples. That might be my favorite post I've seen on ATL.

There was a rumor that a Mintz Levin office was dropping out of OGI at UVA. As of now though they're still listed and have selected people for interviews in at least the Boston office.

The stuff about Akin, Alston and Greenberg is very fascinating. It's like they thought they were in the Major Leagues and were trading players for the playoff run. Akin got two players to be named later and cash for those solid veterans.

60 = TTT, not T14. Abbrev's = gr8. CCN, GULC, HLS, YLS > BLS. BLS>U of M. I'm not a tool. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Maybe if some of the schools where firms are interviewing didn't charge the firms so much to come on campus to interview, they wouldn't be cancelling....you know some schools don't charge at all (and aren't getting cancellations)

Wachtell is not coming to AU.

Maybe they wouldn't be cancelling if the schools who are getting cancellations tried not charging firms to come on campus to conduct interviews

Better to cancel than to hold interviews with no intention of hiring anyone

I'm guessing if they are still interviewing at the schools (typically not Top 10), they are still going to hire--heck, they are making room with all the layoffs--summers and 1Ls are cheaper--the work hasn't gone away and someone needs to do it (just cheaper).

57: I do know that it isn't Creighton, Colorado, or North Carolina. I also know that you are certain to be a gunner if you are posting questions like this on Above the Law before you even start classes. For future reference, no one in your class, whether it is Columbia, Chicago, or NYU, cares what you think the law means.

50 - You should be afraid. If you didn't go to HYS start developing your insurance defense skills.

Thanks for giving us one more reason to sweat the next 11 days while waiting to hear back on our bids. Really. This is great.

Sick burn!

MoFo is cancelling? Can someone confirm?

56, don't look for practice groups that are "resilient." Rather, look for firms that are the most resilient.

Last June as a summer, I had structured finance lawyers opining to me about how that area was "recession proof." At the time, all that was (nearly) certain was that a recession (or a correction) was on the horizon; nobody anticipated the extent of damage that would be done to the markets or how quickly the panic would spread. A year ago, CWT, McKee Nelson, TPW, Sonnenwhatever...were all desperate to hire MORE lawyers for structured finance and securitization.

A prospective associate should be looking at a firm's breadth of practice areas and diversity of revenue (along with its history in tuff times, i.e., whether or not it laid-off associates during the last two major downturns...that's right Shearman...you).

Firms that (i) derive roughly equal revenues from transactional v. litigation (excluding the odd-balls like WLRK) and (ii) that don't depend on more than 3-5% from any single client, which happen to have major structured finance and real estate practices, are doing just fine, as are the associates in those particular groups. Have finance and real estate associates at such firms been billing 40+ hours most weeks? No. But they aren't going to be laid-off.

How is it that when I recommended three years ago that law firms pay summer associates half of what they do and hire twoice as many (so as to give experience to more young lawyers) that I as a first year student could better manage a law firm than 20 years lawyers from Ivy League schools?

Biglaw should burn.

69: it's a good question. I'm curious. And, no, I know when to keep my hand down and my mouth shut. An anonymous discussion of law firm stability and OCI is not one of those places.

Edwards Angell Palmer Dodge cancelled at NYU

The Strong Arm, Franklin D. Azar, cancelled OCI interviews at University of Denver.

Dear 75: Please rewrite.

Love,
Your 1L LW&R Professor

70 - easy there ... there is nothing wrong with insurance defense; in fact, there are plenty of positives:

(1) an interesting assortment of work - insurance companies have a nice cross section of cases because insurance companies insure anything and everything;

(2) insurance companies give young attorneys a great chance to develop litigation skills; and

(3) insurance companies expect to lose cases - no jury will find for an insurance company - so there is room for beginner error.

Insurance defense RULES!

D&W=FTT! (Yes, they are creating the 4th tier!!!)

Thanks, 74. That helps. How should I go about assessing the two factors you suggested? Are there listings somewhere of the breakdown of each firm's revenue stream? Also, how should I get information about boutiques, or are those best avoided for a few years?

-56

While the folks at Regent Law School are disappointed that Skadden cancelled summer, the McCain camp has assured the school that they will have at least 75% of the DOJ Honors program slots.

Stetson 2L here... Cravath isn't coming here for OCI this year. But, they've never come any year, so i guess this aint no indication of the economy.

76: Okay, then. You're screwed. Only the graduates of HYS will get jobs from this point forward. CCN has now been reduced to TTT. You might as well not even go to law school. Save your money, buy a bunch of MREs and live in a tent in the middle of Central Park. Off the grid is the only way to go during these terrible times!

And, no, that was not a good question. It was an opportunity to name drop. You know you are going to be fine. Sandbagger.

LOL at everyone who took money at T20s over T14s in this economy. Enjoy your 30 year repayment plans.

Ummmm.....taking money at a T20 would in fact imply that little or no payback would be required compared to your T14 - jealous much?

#80 again - I forgot to mention, once you have the litigation experience gained from doing insurance defense, you can always lateral into Big Law doing litigation there.

#80

Not sure why you're laughing at me, #86--we'll probably start next fall with the same salary at the same firm, but I'll have no debt and you'll have $150 grand.

Insurance defense = TTT litigation

89 - I won't be working at CWT so I guess we may not wind up together.

The CSO office at Case Western Reserve sent out the following to 2L students:

Dear second year students,

Unfortunately, the CSO was notified by the New York office of Cadwalader, Wickersham and Taft today that the New York office has decided not to interview at the New York Off-Campus Interview Program on Friday, August 15th as scheduled. Instead, the New York office has decided to participate in the Resume Collect portion of our Fall Interview Program. At this time we have closed the bidding for the New York office of Cadwalader, Wickersham and Taft under the New York session in OCI. We have now opened bidding for the New York office of Cadwalader under the Summer Resume Collect session in OCI. The bid deadline for Summer Resume Collect is July 24 at 1:00 pm.

If you have already bid for the New York office of Cadwalader, your documents will be sent to the firm as part of the Summer Resume Collect package and you do not need to re-submit your bid. If you have not bid for the New York office of Cadwalader but would like to do so, please bid prior to July 24 under the Summer Resume Collect session.

The CSO apologizes for any inconvenience. Please let us know if you have any questions.

So sorry about your recent layoff, 91.

90 = insurance defense lawyer

UCLA:
CHANGES, CANCELLATIONS, ETC.

1. Simpson Thacher, Palo Alto has cancelled all 3L interviews (6/20/08)
2. Cooley Godward, all offices has cancelled all 3L interviews (7/10/08)
3. Gunderson Dettmer has cancelled all 3L interviews (7/28/09)
4. Bet Tzedek Legal Services has cancelled their Early OCI date, but wil still be interviewing during the Fall OCI session
5. Faegre & Benson, Denver has cancelled all interviews; will collect resumes during the Fall Session instead (7/30/08)
6. Kirkland & Ellis, all locations, has cancelled all 3L interviews (7/30/08)

What about money at a lower-ranked T14 over... say... UVA or Penn?

McKenna Long = TTT

MoFo is definitely next on the list to fire a bunch of attorneys; they closed their entire Irvine office a couple of months ago.

Asian Guys With White Girls

At GULC...

Winstead (Dallas)
Akin Gump (Dallas office only)

A few other minor firms

UPenn State - Philly:

Skadden
Cravath
DPW
Cleary
Paul Weiss
Stern & Montana LLP

T25 school here, 2 firms decided not to do oci. I'm sure hiring will be down at those that do come, woohoo.

What happened with McKenna?

At GULC...

Winstead (Dallas)
Akin Gump (Dallas office only)

A few other minor firms

MoFo is still recruiting at UVA as of now. They confirmed interviews in the past 24 hours.

Simpson Thacher Palo Alto and Cooley are still recruiting as well.

No news on Kirkland since they aren't schedule to come here till September.

Only firm I've seen drop out was Thelen Reid, though I'm sure there were others.

I'm just starting law school in a few weeks at Wash U in St Louis. Yeah returning to the working world is three years away, but do people think the law market will completely rebound by then? How long after the tech bubble did firms start massively hiring again?

Does anyone know where I can get a list of the firms that cut heavily during the 2000 downturn? It'd be good to know of the firms that highly prioritize the short-term return.

What do you call the person who finishes first in their class from GULC?

The Westlaw rep.

simpson thacher cancelled 3L interviews at UVA.

At a time when more law schools become accredited by the ABA, more schools admit more students, more foreign LLM students with top credentials come to US schools, and the economy is collapsing, it must SUCK to be a 2L.

Maybe this will put an end to spoiled lazy law students and summers.

At a time when more law schools become accredited by the ABA, more schools admit more students, more foreign LLM students with top credentials come to US schools, and the economy is collapsing, it must SUCK to be a 2L.

Maybe this will put an end to spoiled lazy law students and summers.

At a time when more law schools become accredited by the ABA, more schools admit more students, more foreign LLM students with top credentials come to US schools, and the economy is collapsing, it must SUCK to be a 2L.

Maybe this will put an end to spoiled lazy law students and summers.

110 - it only sucks if you're at a non-T14.

113:

Hope so. I'm hoping my roommates and I all get offers out of OCI. Our GPAs really range...

In my opinion, John Marshall Chicago has the worst CSO in the country. That's why I got the hell out and transferred to a T20--I am surprised that any firms do OCI there in this economy.

PS--The worst mistake I ever made was to transfer to a T20 instead of a T14. I don't think I will be your local Westlaw rep anytime soon though.

116th!

I'm telling all of you, insurance defense is where it's happening - always major developments in insurance law. Everyone should do themselves a favor an take a deep breath, calm down, and hook up with an insurance defense shop.

Westlaw just canceled its rep interviews at AU

These firms are INSANE! Do they think law students grow in trees???

118 = best comment on thread

Yes, 119, law students grow in TTTrees.

118 = best comment on thread

1-800-LAW-KING just pulled out of Fordham OCI.

Truly, a devastating blow.

I just saw these in my email at Univ. of Texas:

7/29: The Strasburger & Price, LLP - Austin office will not be coming to Fall OCI. Please check your Strasburger & Price, LLP bids if you selected the Austin office.

7/31: Stinson Morrison Hecker, LLP was scheduled to interview on-campus. Stinson Morrison Hecker, LLP's schedule is now a resume collect.

Yes, 119, law students grow in TTTrees

With this economy, I'm not sure what I'm going to do when my one year clerkship ends.

Binder & Binder and the Cochran firm just cancelled interviews at Touro. I'm so F'ed.

This is 124.

Meant to say at the bottom of my post, not exactly huge losses there.

I just saw this in my email at Appalachian:

7/31: The Mesothelioma Kills, LLP - Wheeling West Virginia office will not be coming to Fall OCI. Please check your Mesothelioma Kills, LLP bids if you selected the Wheeling office.

Insurance defense doesn't suck because the work is boring, which it is, it sucks because insurance companies refuse to pay good rates and fight tooth and nail when the bill comes.

127 = best post EVER!

Just got an email from NYU Career Services--Duane Morris (TTT firm in Philly) cancelled.

"Dear REDACTED:

Your interview with Duane Morris LLP (Philadelphia, PA) on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2008 in our 2008 Early Interview Week session has been cancelled. The employer has cancelled their participating in 2008 Early Interview Week. They may contact you directly or they may reschedule for a later interveiw date.

Sincerely,
Office of Career Services
NYU School of Law
212-998-6090
law.careers@nyu.edu"

126,

Clerking for Judge Halverson isn't ATL "brag worthy."

Though I bet you can get a job with CWT's capital markets group.

For Christ's sake, what does TTT stand for?

TTT = asbestos litigation

127 - i did a NALP search for touro, only 1firm does OCI there Cullen and Dykman LLP, the other 5 attendees are govt branches.

134, TTT is third-tier toilet or Trixie's Talented Teases, depending on the context.

When you see TTT on ATL, it's probably the former. When you see TTT on your boyfriend's credit card statement, it's probably the latter.

Cancelling 3L interviews isn't that surprising. Most firms realize that there is going to be a higher precentage of accepts from their summer class this year and won't need to bolster the incoming 1st year class b/c of defections or students clerking instead.

not knowing what TTT stands for is so TTT

Vote now for ATL's new editor. By going directly to the Vizu site you can see where the votes are coming from and how many total votes there are.

http://www.vizu.com/poll-vote.html?n=109902

101 is false, unless you are privy to information that has not been officially announced.

Arent Fox cancelled their schedule at Cornell

Outside of HYS, columbia, and NYU (who as far as I can remember, have always been top 5 or so), the rest of the t14 is a crap shoot. You should always go to the highest school you can, but if its a choice between the likes of cornell, UVA and meatchicken, go for the money (since any given year, they can be anywhere in the top 10).

Never ever ever take a school outside the t14 for money unless you don't mind busting your ass for 3 years. I mean, people from NY law school (what are they? borederline T3?) can get in v20 firms (especially IP), but they are like top 3% of their class. and top 20-30 schools require you to be top third, top half just to have a whisper. I was t5 and barely had to work my second year, had mediocre grades (prob barely top half), and still got several offers and am working at a firm I love in NY with virtually no extra curriculars on my resume (no journal either). Trust me, even if you got a full ride, including housing, its not worth it to spend 3 years of your life only to end up being a public defender or doing insurance lit.

And if you worked before you went to school and decided to give up on law, it never looks good to have a hole in your resume in an area you arent really working on (that and you wont be paid as well).

I said it before and I'll say it again; we will finally see the phoney's from the legit firms. It just boggles the mind that borderline v50 firms can pay cravath. What we'll probably see more of now is either tiering of salaries all together (even within NY); ie, v20s match cravath, v30s 10-15k less, v50s 20-25k less or you'll see a bunch of jones day structure (starting salary is cravath, but after year 1, its arbitrary, secret, and you often get NO BONUS).

The jones day is clearly the worst; it hink the one great thing about the good days was everyone (except jones day) knew what they were being paid and that just created less stress.

I feel for 3L interviewers, even at the likes of NYU and columbia. its rough out there boys, good luck...

I'm thinking about canceling an interview with one of these firms (so my schedule isn't so crowded):

Ropes & Gray, Wiley Rein, or WilmerHale (all D.C. offices).

Any thoughts?

Wow, did not teach brevity at 143's TTT. You are the reason for appellate brief word limits.

Brevity is key.

143 said he went to a t5. Doesn't that mean he's not TTT? Read the post before you bash.

- not 143

LatKash -

I know it's friday afternoon, but there is a *ton* of information here, and it needs to be compiled into a list. The firms are going to start separating from each other here, and it's going to be you guys' role to figure out who is where and keep everyone informed.

White & Case pulled out of interviews at Fordham today.

It's not too bad to be a rising 2L right now. If the economy is rebounding in 18 months, they will be leaving law school at a good time. Firms will either anticipate a rebound and hire accordingly this summer, or, next summer, or hire them off the street.

145 here. 147, could you distill 143's post into a 5 page memorandum and have that to me on Monday morning. Client/Matter -- Your Mother.

145 here. 147, could you distill 143's post into a 5 page memorandum and have that to me on Monday morning.

good one 18. I wasn't even in the top 10% at Marshall and had callbacks with all the top firms in Chicago. Held an offer open so I could clerk with a federal judge for a year...so.....you're a deuce.

149, how did you hear about White & Case dropping Fordham? I haven't heard anything.

A "deuce"?

a #2

I was just no-offered.

Cadwalader just pulled out....and shot it all over 96 faces

From CLS a couple weeks ago:

Edwards Angell Palmer & Dodge will only be hosting summer programs in its Boston, MA; Providence, RI and Stamford, CT offices in 2009. The New York, NY; Hartford, CT; and Madison, NJ offices WILL NOT be hosting programs.
The Washington, DC office of Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP will no longer be interviewing 3Ls.

No drops from Michigan yet, in case anyone cares.

Seyfarth pulled out of BU's OCI

Isn't Edwards Angell Palmer & Dodge TTT?

Skadden NYC is not coming to University at Buffalo, although they are still collecting resumes on the off-chance that someone from our 2L class may pique their interests...

Barnes & Thornburg is still having a Chicago summer program next year, just received word that I got an OCI for that firm.

From Boston University School of Law:

The following employers have cancelled their interviews on campus:
1) Choate Hall & Stewart, LLP
2 Cooley Godward Kronish LLP
3) Genova Burns & Vernoia
4) Gunderson Dettmer (changed to a Resume Collection)
5 Hinman, Howard and Kattell, LLP
6) US Securities & Exchange Commission

From Boston University School of Law:

The following employers have cancelled their interviews on campus:
1) Choate Hall & Stewart, LLP
2 Cooley Godward Kronish LLP
3) Genova Burns & Vernoia
4) Gunderson Dettmer (changed to a Resume Collection)
5 Hinman, Howard and Kattell, LLP
6) US Securities & Exchange Commission