Nationwide Layoff Watch: The Sky Is Not Falling
(Plus: A list of law firms that have done layoffs.)
If you’re a regular reader of legal newspapers and blogs, you might get the sense that law firm layoffs are happening everywhere. At the current time, the ATL category tag for Layoffs contains about 90 posts (and counting). It’s a topic that we cover extensively — and many readers still clamor for more.
Here at ATL, a self-styled “legal tabloid,” inducing panic through sensationalism and scaremongering — layoffs! delayed start dates! cold offers! — is part of our job description. But are things really that bad?
With respect to lawyer layoffs, maybe not. Leigh Jones examines the topic in a very interesting article for the National Law Journal (subscription):
A look at the bigger picture shows a profession responding to the economic downturn rather adroitly — at least so far.Since October, some 338 attorney layoffs have been confirmed and reported by various news organizations at 12 law firms among the NLJ 250, The National Law Journal’s annual survey of the nation’s largest law firms.
To be sure, unreported terminations could make the layoff totals much higher. But even if stealth layoffs are twice or even three times the reported amount, the number of attorneys ushered to the exits in the last 10 months is relatively small.
More good news — but also some bad news, namely, a list of large law firms that have laid off lawyers — after the jump.
Three hundred lawyers would be enough to staff a fairly sizable law firm. But in the context of Biglaw, the number may not be that big:
Attorney layoffs since October equal about 3.5 percent of the total number of attorneys at the 12 law firms confirming layoffs. Some 9,603 attorneys work at those firms, based on the latest NLJ 250 survey. October marked the first reporting of layoffs tied to the recent economic slowdown.The total number of confirmed and reported layoffs was derived from The National Law Journal and its affiliates, in addition to Above the Law, the Wall Street Journal Law Blog and Adam Smith, Esq., a law blog.
The 3.5 percent is “small,” said James Leipold, executive director of NALP, formerly the National Association for Law Placement.
Even smaller are the number of layoffs compared with the total number of attorneys at NLJ 250 firms — 128,213 — and with the number of attorneys in the United States, about 900,000.
Of course, the percentage spikes higher at some firms. According to the NLJ, Cadwalader — America’s Firingest Law Firmâ„¢ — has laid off 131 lawyers, over 18 percent of its attorneys.
ATL gets a shout-out in the article:
For every confirmed layoff, there is at least one layoff that goes unreported, said David Lat, editor-in-chief of Above the Law. His blog has provided much coverage of attorney and staff layoffs. In addition, some firms have used performance reviews as opportunities to dump attorneys from unprofitable practice areas, he said.Wall-to-wall coverage of attorney layoffs can give readers the sense that the sky is falling, Lat said. On the other hand, considering that law firms are notoriously tight-lipped, the picture may be much worse than the reported numbers reveal. He added that the ratio of stealth to confirmed layoffs could be as high as 2-to-1.
“It’s hard to bring transparency to it,” he said.
That doesn’t stop us from trying here at ATL. Of course, many of you say: TRY HARDER!
Unfortunately, we can’t make much headway if (1) affected attorneys keep quiet about their fates (as many do, because they don’t want to forfeit their severance, a la Shinyung Oh); and (2) management teams at law firms, who have the big-picture view of what’s going on at their shops, don’t share their global data with us (which they often don’t, preferring to go down the stealth route).
Finally, just in time for recruiting season, Leigh Jones and the NLJ have compiled this handy list of law firms that have conducted attorney layoffs. Here they are (in alphabetical order; find out more by scrolling through our Layoffs archives):
1. Blank Rome
2. Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft
3. Dechert
4. DLA Piper
5.McKee Nelson
6. Patton Boggs
7. Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman
8. Powell Goldstein
9. Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal
10. Sutherland Asbill & Brennan
11. Thacher Proffitt & Wood
12. Thelen Reid Brown Raysman & Steiner
We’ve just given you excerpts from the NLJ article. You can read the full piece here (subscription), or download a copy by clicking here (PDF).
Correction: We’ve crossed McKee Nelson off the list based on a subsequent correction to the National Law Journal article. The NLJ piece now reads: “New York-based McKee Nelson was reported to have reduced its number of attorneys through buyouts and sabbaticals.”
Correction: To be added to the list: Edwards Angell Palmer & Dodge.
Do you actual knowledge of law firm layoffs that we have not yet covered? Please send us your tips, by email. Thanks.
About Those Law Firm Layoffs? It Isn’t That Bad [National Law Journal (subscription)]
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Please return to doom and gloom mentality versus this head in the sand mentality.
This would be a good time to bring up no-offers and ultra-delayed start dates.
Especially since 3 just got no offered
Umm...why is OMM not on the list?
This is as good a time as any to ask whether it is better to do bet-the-damn-company litigation or sophisticated cross-border transactional work? Anyone?
-J.T.
Edwards Angell Palmer and Dodge did a layoff - it was even written about here!
Don't forget Kirkland & Ellis
There are about 50 AmLaw 100 firms missing from that list.
PAUL HASTINGS. Damn, that lady did everything in her power to get the word out, and it didn't do anything.
Along these lines, I'd be interested in learning which firms are doing particularly WELL this year, such that their hiring will likely stay level with, or increase from, last year.
It's like a list of the public TOILETS in America.
this would have been more helpful before my oci bids were due.
If Lat is right and the ratio of legit, open layoffs to stealh is 1 to 2, then there has been a 10% reduction in the lawyer workforce recently. According to my lousy calculation, that's about equal to the workforce reduction in the rest of the economy.
This is the most useless post of all time. A list of the firms that have "confirmed" lay offs? How about all the rest that have conducted stealth firings? The stealth fires probably vastly outnumber the publicly disclosed ones. This blog targets the firms that are honest about it and the sneaky firms skate.
Seyfarth - those b*tches are definitely doing stealth layoffs. My friend was doing fine and was suddenly let go. He confirms several more similarly situated in his office alone.
How about this: everyone AMLAW200 has probably done lay-offs. Most are just stealth. Unless a firm is strong in a practice area that is doing well in this economy, it has had to do lay-offs or reduced hirings or whatever. It's all stealth. Just give ppl bad reviews and ask them to leave.
If Lat wants to help on this issue, he should get someone to review the NALP directory to see how much firms plan on hiring next year. Compare that to prior years' NALPS.
So how does one avoid a quiet layoff? Does billing near the top of your class provide insurance as long as you're a junior associate (< four years)? That would seem like a good way to CYA when the economy turns south.
getting laid off sucks. i actually like my new SmallLaw firm a lot more than my old BigLaw firm, though probably not enough to make up for the massive paycut. I usually get better work assignments, I'm not treated like office equipment, and I'll probably be a better lawyer at the end of the day, but damn ... I'm broke.
As many comments have noted, this list names only a tiny percentage of firms that have shed associates. The problem with this wildly under-inclusive list is that it unfairly targets firms that have been above-board. Interesting though, I guess.
Sorry #13, you should have gone to a better school. (HLS, YLS and SLS bids aren't due for quite some time.)
howard rice
"Does billing near the top of your class provide insurance as long as you're a junior associate (< four years)? That would seem like a good way to CYA when the economy turns south."
I might, but firms only layoff associates when they don't have enough work to keep people billing around the clock. If you're billing 1000 hours a year and everyone else in you class is billing 800 a year, you're not goign to be safe if you don't have a reputation for doing exceptional work.
16 is correct; I know Seyfarth has laid off a few in its office here in Chicago. Most likely of the stealth variety as they were all out the real estate group. A straight summary canning, as I understood it.
what about Clifford Chance?
My, how short our collective institutional memory is. Paul Hastings should be at the top of this list, no?
Where/when did DLA do layoffs?
If we're really talking about AmLaw 200, Day Pitney has been doing stealth layoffs for more than two years. There has been some cutting of dead wood, but only in the very junior ranks. However, the senior, non-partner ranks have dwindled to nearly nothing. The partnership is, by and large, fairly young, but there is nobody coming in.
Former DP, stealth layoff
OMM and Dewey Lebeouf both need to be on that list.
Hunton & Williams and Alston & Bird let go people in Charlotte. As did Dechert and Cozen O'Connor.
"everyone AMLAW200 has probably done lay-offs"
Wrong myopic coastal dude.
You seen gas prices the past few years? You know where all those companies that get that money are located? Texas.
No lay-offs in Houston.
I love ATL, but, this post....please. ATL is supposed to be doom and gloom, the FOXNEWS of legal speak. It is not ATL's role in society to be (actually) fair and balanced. Firms are secretive, stoic, and calm. ATL is supposed to be over the top, crazy, and occassionally right. It is this calm-crazy balance that allows us to discover the truth in the middle. DO YOUR JOB ATL AND STOP CALMING PEOPLE DOWN!!! You're not helping the flow of info and truth. Sham sham sham.
i was blinded by anger, let's add some e's....shame shame shame.....that's better!
-#32
LAWYERS EVERYWHERE ARE UNEMPLOYED.
DAVID LAT IS COVERING HIS OWN STEALTH LAYOFF.
ALL FIRMS ARE TTTS AND NO ONE IS SAFE.
fuctarded....the vast majority of layoffs are stealth and they are just getting started
biglaw got bloated and is now rightsizing back to the natural order of things
10-20 percent at the m&a chop shops sounds about right
Greenberg Traurig needs to be added to the list. They fired secretaries, paralegals, associates, of counsel and partners (but given GT's funky tiered partnership, partners in name only). Real estate was hit bad.
There have been a ton of defections too since people know that the ship is taking on watter.
Simpson Thacher, damn, what about Simpson Thacher?
Stop. Think. Munnnggggggggggggggerrrrrrr.
The bigger story is about the decline of the U.S. in general:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/business/12transfer.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin
Globalization to complete bullshit.
U.S. citizens to motel clerk jobs!
Any more information on the Simpson Thacher layoffs???
good luck people
40 - There are no STB layoffs. Lat already made a followup post dispelling the rumor.
Should ATL contact Peter Thottam for his comments?
Fried Frank should definitely be on this list. Probably cut more than Simpson Thacher did.
LOL @ 42. Did you even read Lat's follow-up post? Lat only reported that STB was denying the rumors. And what did you think that they were going to do? Firms that engage in stealth lay offs are not usually going to admit it when they get caught. STB definitely fired a bunch of associates.
Former STBer
Well #21 obviously doesn't know what (s)he is talking about. Stanford is well past bids and resumes were due by today.
Alston & Bird Charlotte is doing stealth layoffs of transactional associates. Two confirmed layoffs this month already. Associates are being asked to resign behind closed doors.
This guy sucks. We want more Sophist!!! When is this stupid contest over, anyway? Let's vote this Lat guy off this week for sure!
anyone know what cities are getting hit hardest (besides NY and Chicago?)
Yep, confirming #36- Greenberg Traurig has let associates go. People are losing their jobs, yet there is money for them to move into some fancy space in Miami in the near future.
layoffs are rampant as anyone actually working in biglaw knows.
Chicago isn't being hit very hard at all. The nice thing about Chicago is that overhead is very low so you don't need to worry as much.
Sidley and Kirkland are more or less humming along. Although billables for most fellow associates I have spoken to are below pace from the last couple of years nobody is hurting for work. I assume the same is true at the local branches of Skadden/Latham/etc.
I guess at places like Sonnenschein it is a different story. But that place never seemed to be much above water even in good times.
The bad markets are NYC, Charlotte, and Atlanta. Not Chicago.
Skadden has laid off associates in its Provo, Waco, Williston, Bozeman and Tulsa offices. Rumor has it there are more to come in its Des Moines and Sioux Falls offices. People are rioting.
SUCK IT, LOSERS!
What gets me is how every underperformer is convinced his or her poor performance review must be due to "stealth layoffs." Given how ridiculous legal hiring is at top firms, I am frankly surprised by that firms don't give poor performance reviews to many more associates each year.
54 - Hey BigLaw partner.
Dear Spoiled Bitches,
Welcome to the real world. Did you think being utterly self absorbed somehow insulates you from the laws of economics. The truth is you are all fungible regardless of pedigree and really provide no true value. I saw this as a former Court of Appeals clerk, V50 partner and current GC of the US sub of a Fortune Global 500, from where I get a client's perspective. Get over yoursleves, lose the obnoxious sense of entitlement and grow up. At one time, reading your whiny diatribes was amusing. Now it is simply tiresome and sad.
56: You are next to have your head lopped off. Pay your bills now. Prepare your family. Do not post after it happens.
Go ahead and add Womble Carlyle and Kilpatrick Stockton to that list.
Hey ATL:
I love how you continue to highlight those firms that have "owned up" to doing economy-based layoffs, while you continue to let skate by those doing stealth layoffs.
How bout you serve your purpose and make a prominent list of firms rumored to have been doing stealth layoffs. Maybe you can actually get a few firms to officialy address the issue and clear up the matter for us.
Why do I have to do your job?
56,
No one here needs a lecture on the "laws of economics." Firms insist on hiring associates with certain pedigrees and only hire laterals with biglaw experience. Firms do this because they need our pedigrees and experience to justify our billing rates and because the work we do is too important to mess up. That's our true value. Associates with the same pedigree and experience may be fungible, but that's a really small pool. If associates were fungible regardless of pedigree, firms wouldn't be paying the salaries they do.
The obnoxious sense of entitlement you're railing against is really just associates' awareness of the laws of economics at work in the employment market. Associates may not be entitled to high salaries and job security, but so long as demand for pedigreed associates is high enough that we have our pick of firms, we don't have to work for firms that don't provide both. If the firms listed above can't or choose not to offer job security, associates will punish them in the labor market and go to the other 88 firms paying the same salary that do. That's the point of this article.
60,
Fair point. Would that others be as unemotional and lucid (but cf # 57).
I share 54's amusement that every loss of a job is a "stealth layoff". Half of all people are below median, folks. Some people get pushed out the door because they suck, not because a firm needs to cut 3 of its 400 associates to stay afloat.
30, 47 - if A&B CLT has laid off, why have only two attorneys left the firm so far this summer. Both have (purportedly) relocated to new positions. Both had small going away celebrations. Is that common for a layoff?
I have had it with these motherfucking layoffs at these motherfucking law firms!
-Samuel L. Jackson
Do we have to remind people that Chicago sucks?
PAUL HASTINGS WAS IN THE TRANSFORMERS MOVIE.
Can anyone link to the DLA layoffs?
"In addition, some firms may be unloading attorneys slowly, one or two at a time, he said, which can fall under the media's radar. Those reductions may also go unnoticed by many of the law firm's own attorneys. The layoffs at Cadwalader represent the largest percentage of confirmed terminations within a single firm. DLA Piper, which let go five of its technology, media and commercial lawyers in London, or 0.14 percent of its 3,623 attorneys, has the smallest percentage of the 12 firms confirming layoffs."
http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1202423689192
Does this count?
To 59 ("How bout you serve your purpose and make a prominent list of firms rumored to have been doing stealth layoffs.")
Dude, that idea is as stupid as you are a doofus. There are stealth layoff RUMORS at every firm, becausae EVERY firm let's a few underperformers go each year and EVERY firm is facing these market conditions. Posting a list of unsubstantiated and unreliable rumors would serve no purpose but then to encourage more of the chicken little mentality Lat just criticized. And having the firms address the issue won't "clear the matter up." Look at the Simpson Thacher post. Lat said he had heard vague and unsubstantiated rumors. He verified with the firm and a number of independent sources that the midyear review process for new and underperforming associates is new, and he also verified with the firm and a number of associates that there are no stealth layoffs and that any suggestions that someone isn't cut out are completely performance-based and completely typical. Yet still there was a comments clusterfuck of chicken little wierdos screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
Lat has posted every rumor that has any credibility at all, and quite a few rumors that have virtually no credibility. Give me a break.
Kind of funny that we are all so quick to denigrate the Idol contestants' writing styles and grammar, but we so blissfully ignore Lat's mistakes (i.e. "Do you actual knowledge...")
To 69. You must have only read half of the Simpson article because in the second half, Lat "verified with a number of independent sources" that layoffs are happening. But I guess you'd rather just take the firm's word that everything is great.
If I was picked on and ridiculed by my peers throughout high school and college, I too would anonymously post on message boards and vent my frustration.
@63,
Yes. Those were layoffs.
Darn 73 you read 63's post before me. Yes, they were layoffs, yes there were more than just 2, and yes the guy who went west admitted as much beforehand. He also noted that in the previous 2 months people were being told it was time to go, and that more are set to leave in September. But then I am sure you are the type of person who likes to believe corporate spin, and actually believe that there is a difference between economic layoffs and performance layoffs that occur mid year.
What's more frustrating--perhaps even more than the prospect of being laid off--is that no matter how many times I wipe my ass, I still can never get it fully clean. How bizarre is that?
70: I think that you blissfully ignored the second comma after the "i.e."
69 = Partner at BigLaw firm doing Stealth Layoffs
Does anyone know anything about Stroock?? they seem to have fallen off the radar after the crazy email incident.
"There are stealth layoff RUMORS at every firm, becausae EVERY firm let's a few underperformers"
Exactly--so if they're suddenly letting go more than the usual "few underperformers," that would suggest stealth layoffs, wouldn't it? The economy tanks and suddenly, "underperformance" by associates increases by leaps and bounds?
Strook and Dewey LeBoeuf should be in that list
76, your little logic game is missing one crucial link: For most firms, there is no evidence that firms are finding more underperformers. In fact, the hard numbers at some firms show lower attrition.
The difference is not that there are MORE underperformers being let go. The difference is that suckers are starting to buy the the ridiculous excuses offered by these underperformers without so much as a second thought.
There are of course some firms where stealth layoffs are going off. But anytime a firm tells a few people they have poor work product, you automatically conclude it MUST be a stealth layoff? Is a biglaw job now like a tenured faculty position where your performance counts for crap?
SHIA LEBOUEF WAS IN THE TRANSFORMERS MOVIE AND HE GOT A DUI.
Damn it. I got Munger all over my Fried Frank and I can't wipe it off. Where are the CWT associates?!!
Is SHIA LEBOUEF in the Vault top 50? I can't find them.
I don't know how rumors of layoffs are going to help kids for OCI - most of them are two years from setting foot in a firm as an associate. As for those students who are "boycotting" firms that have laid off associates, please get a clue. Unemployment is rising across every sector, and law is not immune to global economic forces. Further, you don't know how many of those layoffs were deserved due to inadequate performance; cutting the fat is actually good for young lawyers trying to break into BigLaw.
We should focus less attention on "shaming" firms that made difficult financial decisions and spend more time finding out which firms are willing to pick up these laid off associates.
It would also be helpful if posters could identify the departments in which layoffs (stealth or otherwise) are occuring.
79 - which departments have you heard laid off associates?
#36, 50 - GT is a huge firm, not all of the offices are firing attorneys; in fact mine has been hiring associates throughout the year.
allegedly shearman's start date has been pushed to nov. 30th reason to panic yet?
allegedly shearman's start date has been pushed to nov. 30th reason to panic yet?
LOL@"We should focus less attention on "shaming" firms that made difficult financial decisions and spend more time finding out which firms are willing to pick up these laid off associates."
I think "we" should focus on whatever we want, including the douchiness of firms that fire people when the economy is in the dumps and then suggest it is because they were "underperforming."
Paul Hastings definitely belongs on this list. Rumors of "performance-based" layoffs in a number of offices are swirling. A number of unusual meetings and people in parts of the building where they don't belong. Maybe I'm just nervous...but I'm nervous.
Get a grip people- CWT had lay offs, Thatcher Proffitt had lay offs...firms pushing a few people out is not layoffs- it's attrition.
Ok 91. But what about firms that are "pushing out" 30 people? What about 50 people? Is this still attrition?
The firms that are being mentioned above didn't just push out a few people.
I thought "attrition" is when you choose to leave, not when you're forced out.
Definitely add PHJW to the list.
I wouldn't characterize those on this list as necessarily "above-board" or honest about their layoffs. For instance, Sutherland only acknowledged their layoffs after they were outed on this blog, and they only acknowledged 15 layoffs when the number was much higher. That's hardly "above-board".
95: Well, we prefer that a firm admit part of the truth, than none of it at all. Partial honesty counts for something...or so believes John Edwards.
ummmm.. ballard spahr had layoff's. their chairman even commented about it.
63 - you must not work at A&B or you would know that the two people who resigned were "asked to resign" as 47 points out. If any "going away parties" were had, it was out of compassion by fellow associates.
now that the big banks are FINALLY admitting things are not going to get better soon, the layoffs will begin in earnest
glad i am not a summer looking for an offer, and even gladder i am not on the hiring committee who be accused of overhiring no matter what they do with respect to the summers.
Premature query -- anyone know how the v5 firms calculate hours for bonus consideration? Pro-rated forward from some date around bonus decisions, based on some September to September model? Anyone?
100 = a$$hole. I love it. :)
Can we get a post on bonus predictions!
Does claiming in a blog post that someone was "asked to resign" because of poor job performance constitute libel? Certainly any publication requirement is met.
100 -- v5 firms generally don't have minimums.
Simpson Thacher?
http://abovethelaw.com/2008/08/nationwide_layoff_simpson_thacher.php
Sidley Chicago made a deadline for review requests about a month early this year. Probably an attempt to trim a little fat before bonus time.
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears.
I come to bury Dechert, not to praise it.
The evil that firms do lives after them;
The good is oft interrèd with their bones.
So let it be with Dechert. The noble Bart
Hath told you Dechert needed to be more ambitious.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Dechert answered it.
Here, under leave of Bart and the rest --
For Bart is an honorable man,
So are they all, all honorable men --
Come I to speak in Dechert's funeral.
It was my firm, faithful and just to me.
But Bart says it was not ambitious enough,
And Bart is an honorable man.
The firm hath brought many captives home to Philadelphia,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill.
Did this in Dechert seem insufficiently ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Dechert hath done much pro bono work.
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
Yet Dechert was insufficiently ambitious,
And Bart is an honorable man.
You all did see that on the 21st floor
They thrice presented him chairman of the firm,
Which he did thrice accept. This was ambition.
Yet Bart says the firm was insufficiently ambitious,
And sure he is an honorable man.
I speak not to disprove what Bart spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love the firm once, not without cause.
What cause withholds you then to mourn for it?
O Judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason!
Bear with me.
My heart is in the coffin there with Dechert,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
Does anyone know if Mayer Brown is shedding associates?
108- I'm sure the hundred or so lawyers who left the New York office recently did so on their own. use your head, idiot.
Barnes & Thornburg too.
STEALTH LAYOFFS AT SKADDEN DC!!!