It's ok. Very few of you UF students will have a shot at BIGLAW.

HTH

They're right, but them's the breaks.

Can't they sent their resumes directly to the firm and try to schedule interviews? The firms are presumably interested in top UF students if they made plans to interview in the first place.

H&K postponed some callbacks by a week or so.

A tropical storm in Florida? As another commenter might note, it was no big deal.

What's with recent trend of using "rising __L"? Did someone add yeast to law school curriculum?

FFFlorida

knowing the career services people at UF, they won't bother rescheduling anyone

No big deal, the best firms (White & Case, Weil, etc.) were already there during early interview week. The other firms will be back.

Thank god I'm a rising 3L that's already accepted an offer. I remember when this site was worth reading for actual news about which employers I should or should not bid on.

Rumor has it that SA canceled its Stetson OCI.

The storm wasn't that bad, but UM cancelled their first day of classes after noon on Monday and cancelled all classes on Tuesday. The 1Ls got a reprieve and the 2 and 3s got drunk.

#4 - not usually. Firms set up OCIs because it is convenient to interview a large number of students at one time. If a firm can't do OCI, it usually doesn't interview students from that school unless they are extraordinary. The reason is that the firm would have to set aside more time and incur the expense of flying students to the firm, instead of the other way around.

The storm wasn't that bad, but UM cancelled their first day of classes after noon on Monday and cancelled all classes on Tuesday. The 1Ls got a reprieve and the 2 and 3s got drunk.

When I went to UF career services used to cancel OCI for tropical storms all the time. It wasn't a big deal.

Stetson sucks a big gator nut!

2:

You're myopic, at best. UF students come out knowing more about the law than most at Harvard. BigLaw traditionally never knew that. It's wised up and it does now. UF graduates are all over BigLaw across the country.

It is easy to spot a UF grad...they are the ones wearing a gold neck chain.

18,

You're thinking of FSU grads. UF grads wear suits with tebows.

17 --

From someone who almost went to UF Law but thankfully got in off the waiting list at a top 25:

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

The fact that UF has gotten some tokens (who mind you were the best UF had) into some non-Florida big firms is nothing to brag about.

Hey 20, who's doing the bragging??

17 is right. When BIGLAW wants a toilet law expert, they find a UF student. They have much better knowledge of the subject than Harvard students.

What 20 didn't tell us is that he thankfully got into a top 25 in TIER TWO.

So, 20, wouldn't that make you one of the worst your top-25 school has ever had?

So, 20, wouldn't that make you one of the worst your top-25 school has ever had?

What most people don't know is that UF costs pennies to attend compared to any other school ranked close. I went to UF, work in biglaw now, and have NO DEBT.

While UF is no HYS, it is still the best school in Florida.

Hey man, there's big money in toilet law. Tell me you wouldn't want to be the go-to guy for [insert whatever big company makes toilets]. A book of business is a book of business.

28: seriously. I mean, I'm writing a memo now on the federal income taxation of life insurance companies. Is there really a difference?

UF sucks. FSU has made great strides the last couple years. Mark my words: UF will be eating our dust in US News by 2012.

Uh, I wouldn't want to be the go-to guy for [insert whatever big company makes toilets].

Here's one Florida law student who knows how to make the best use of his time off from OCI:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/156013.html

hey money from toilet companies can be spent just like money from a fortune 500 firm...you take it when and how you get it.

Oh noes! No job for me at Kluger Peretz.

UF Law students know how to paaaarty and do the gator chomp very well on Game Days.

all i have to say is that when "Kluger Peretz" is in the same sentence as Big Law, this blog loses its reputation

all i have to say is that when "Kluger Peretz" is in the same sentence as Big Law, this blog loses its reputation

All of you who want to bash UF, go right ahead. The truth is that you're all sitting with debt up to your eyeballs. I'm right there with 26. I went to UF, was a federal clerk, worked in BigLaw, and am financially set because I wasn't dumping my salary into a loan repayment program.

So all of you who want to claim that you're so smart for going to a "higher ranked school," keep claiming. In the real world, where you went to school means nothing if you can't get results. No judge cares where counsel went to school. No client cares where counsel went to school. Do you care where a doctor went to school when it's 3 am and your child is sick and needs a pediatrician? I think not. You want a competent doctor regardless of his or her pedigree.

Those of you who like to elevate themselves by bashing other have a lot to learn about life and the way the world works. They also have a long way to go to know what it's like to not be beholden to anyone financially.

38=Westlaw Headnotes "author" or UF Career Services Employee

UF = Oleen - the thought of it causes loose stools.

Does anyone remember the "Pussy, dick, and ass hole" speech from Tean America?

2: I'm a 3L at UF. I worked in Biglaw in NYC this summer, and secured an offer. If I had to estimate, about 50 people in my class worked in Biglaw this summer, either in FL, Atlanta, Charlotte, DC, LA, or NYC. I think that qualifies as more than "very few" thank you very much.

Tim Tebow is the Michael Phelps of UF Law.

38 - clients absolutely care where someone went to law school. that is a stupid and ignorant statement.

if you don't have a personal relationship and are picking between two attorneys - you're probably going to go with the attorney with the T14 diploma on the wall rather than UF.

@ 30

You must be joking. FSU sucks donkey balls and it always will

@ 30

You must be joking. FSU sucks donkey balls and it always will...the only reason you went to FSU is because you could not get into UF

44:

Clients want results quickly, efficiently, and at the lowest cost. Clients will hire an attorney who can deliver. Plenty of Nova, South Texas, and SWern U lawyers make great livings. YOUR statement is stupid and ignorant to hold otherwise.

@42 -- UF will not crack the Vault 20. Maybe Vault 40, but not in NYC.

Isn't everyone forgetting that UF LAW is ranked #1 is teaching its students how to read?

48: 42 here. Off the top of my head, I know of four UF students who have worked at a V20 firm in NYC in the past couple of summers. Two of those were actually at V5 firms. Several others have worked at V20 firms in other cities.

UF doesn't place a ton of people in Biglaw, but it still produces a decent crop of good students. It's certainly not the black hole some have made it out to be.

@ 49: And what bastion of jurisprudential knowledge taught you how to form a coherent sentence? Harvard?

FFFlorida is TTToilet.

@42 (who is also 50), Sutherland Asbill and Brennan does not count as an elite firm.

Willie Gary is still doing OCI, right?

53: 42 & 50 here. Not sure where I ever said Sutherland is an "elite" firm, whatever that means.

From personal experience, I will say Sutherland NYC is a great place to work--market salary, 1950 billable requirement, and virtually everyone is gone by 6:30 every day. It's also a relatively small office, which means more responsibility early on and a friendlier environment.

38: Umm, yes I do care where my doctor went to school and whether he got a legit education.

1) To the FSU Law fan. Yeah, those "strides" have already started backsliding. Nice work.

2) I can confirm UF Law grads wear suits and Tebows.

3) I'm a UF Law grad at a V20 firm (and, yes, I am a full-time associate and not a contract/project lawyer).

4) I'm not the only UF Law grad at my firm. I suppose with this crowd I should clarify: I'm not the only UF Law grad employed as a full-time attorney (associate or partner) at my firm.

5) Really? Are you T14 grads really so threatened by a lowly bottom of the first tier law school that you need to waste your precious key strokes bashing it?

6) On second thought, maybe you should be threatened: The Gator Nation is Everywhere.

Chomp.

The only person I know who went to UF law works at Latham in NYC. So, yea, must be a TTT.

Go Gators, bitches!

44 - If you are going to your state school, and are practicing in your state (why wouldn't you), the personal connection tends to take care of itself.

Now, that might be a problem for, say, Iowa students, but Florida has quite a legal market. You don't have to leave the state for BigLaw, let alone decent legal work in general.

Now if you went to UF because that was the best place you got in and you want to go back to New York...yeah, that could be a problem.

"38 - clients absolutely care where someone went to law school. that is a stupid and ignorant statement."

Corporate clients, perhaps, but the vast majority of clients in the law are individuals with a problem they want solved.

Who cares where you went to law school if you got a great job out of law school AND witnessed THREE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! WHATSUP (--deepbreath--) HarvardYaleStanfordColumbiaNYUCalChicagoPennNorthwesternMICHIGANUVACornellDukeGeorgetown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Gators!

@51-Sadly, UF, I'm just (wittingly and unwittingly) self-deprecating.

Skadden NYC has cancelled their OCI at Nova Southeastern.

The UF peeps aren't idiots. At least they're getting a sub-par education at state school prices. The real dumbasses are the ones who spend $35k/year to get the same prestige. The Gators can take just about any job to shovel out of their debt. Hofsta alumni, not the case.

42/50/55 AND Everyone Else...This is 53 here.

I challenge you to paste 10 associate bios from V20 firms who went to UF.... in an elite market like NYC. White/Case Miami does not count.

65:
Skadden has 5 associates/counsels from UF between NY and DC. Sidley has 4, one each in LA, DC, San Fran, Chicago. Cravath has 1. That equals 10. Thanks for playing.

66, 65 here. I just did my due diligence.

The Skadden you list:
1. http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=6813
JD from Cornell; LLM from UF (TAX)
2. http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=8073
LLM in TAX
3. http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=5625
bullshit STAFF attorney ... THEY ARE NOT AN ASSOCIATE.

That negates 3.

Sidley:
1. San Francisco is hardly elite.
2. Counsel and Sr. Counsel are not Partner nor Asscoiate (presumed Partnership track)

That negates 2.

Cravath guy went to NYU LLM tax to remove the smear that is UF off his resume... but we'll keep him in for good measure.

Keep on playing. That equals 5...and a crappy 5 if you ask me.

New York
Cravath - Hoffman, Jarrett R. (no individual pages)
http://www.lw.com/Attorneys.aspx?page=AttorneyBio&attno=02498
http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=268
http://www.weil.com/kennethgavsie/
http://www.whitecase.com/ddowling/
http://www.whitecase.com/kellis/

LA
http://www.sidley.com/ourpeople/detail.aspx?attorney=224
http://www.gibsondunn.com/Lawyers/cainsworth
http://www.gibsondunn.com/Lawyers/mnicoletti
http://www.lw.com/Attorneys.aspx?page=AttorneyBio&attno=03791

DC
http://www.sidley.com/ourpeople/detail.aspx?attorney=593
http://www.lw.com/Attorneys.aspx?page=AttorneyBio&attno=03857
http://www.lw.com/Attorneys.aspx?page=AttorneyBio&attno=04445
http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=6813
http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=8073
http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=6517
http://www.whitecase.com/laurentew/
http://www.arnoldporter.com/attorneys.cfm?u=CochranMarthaL&action=view&id=173&CFID=248945&CFTOKEN=10596501

Chicago
http://www.sidley.com/ourpeople/detail.aspx?attorney=4412

65/67 back... just doing my due diligence once again....

NY:
Skadden guy went to FSU, not UF for JD.
Weil... class of 98?! why is he still an associate. we will count him though to be fair.
White Case -- COUNSEL (non partner ; nor are they an associate on partner track) -- doesnt count.

That negates 2.

LA
Sidley Partner...NALP Form boost baby!

DC:
Skadden -- Cornell JD.
Skadden -- CUA JD.
W/C -- STAFF ATTORNEY ... please son, please.
ArnoldPorter lady had a stacked resume before she went there... not one of the grubby associates...but she counts.

That negates 3.

So you found an official 15. Good show.... wow that was a stretch though.......... UF really sucks if it took that much effort.

cheap tuition biatch

I can graduate from UF Law for less than one year's tuition at most other schools. Plus, living in Gainesville is cheap! No crushing debt!

65: 42/50 here. Are you an Ohio State alum or something? You seem so bitter.

FWIW, I went to UF for undergrad and T-14 for law school. Did well, and am well positioned, but I still wonder if UF would have been a better choice. It certainly would have been cheaper (when I started 3 years tuition at UF law was about the same as 1 semester at my law school). Is something so wrong with a state law school serving its state?

The true shame is that Michigan and Virginia taxpayers support law schools that do everything they can to help students from California get jobs in New York City.

42/50..... 65 here. Ohio State sucks just like UF.

You're all crazy. I went to a T3 law school on a full scholorship. I busted my ass and graduated at the top of my class. Now i work at a v20 law firm in NYC!!!

I'm a UF 3L.

Cost of my tuition this year:
Approx. 8k.

Salary this summer:
Approx. 39k

My salary next year:
160k base (plus pro rated bonus, moving, bar stipend, reimburse etc.)... yes, I already accepted my offer.

Look on my face as I patiently listened to the other summers complain about their 50k tuition and loan repayments:
Priceless.

Go gators.

75: I'm not sure whether that's an endorsement for T3 law schools or an indictment of a career in the law. It's a little like a pie eatting contest, where the grand prize is more pie.

74: Don't ever, ever, ever lump the Gators in with tHE bUCKS. Gators win national titles; tHE bUCKS are an "also ran."

Jorts! Biglaw can't stand UF grads' jorts!

Gators don't wear jorts! Those would be FSU grads!

It is important to note to most of the posts slamming UF are not personal. It applies to all non-T14 schools. They all are TTT when it comes to BIGLAW.

HTH.

76: Offer being withdrawn due to slowdown in enconomy and firm making cuts to incoming class and you being one cut because everyone else has an ivy pedigree: Priceless.

To Bitter Party of 1 (aka 65/67/69): that UF "smear" you claim was wiped off by an NYU LLM in tax wouldn't have been so bad if he stayed at UF. UF's LLM in tax is ranked second in the country behind NYU. D'bag.

Oh, and are you racist or sexist? Or both? Apparently, you think a black female partner from Sidley in Los Angeles is simply a "NALP form boost. baby!" The more you post, the more I'm glad I didn't have to go to law school with your insufferable ass.

You challenged the board to name 10 V20 UF Law grads. After you tossed some of the poster's entries (including a UF Tax LLM), you noted the poster had only found 15 to your satisfaction, so UF still sucks. Tool.

By the way, at my V20 firm, there are 1998 grads from your school who aren't partners. They don't give partnerhsips away in crackerjack boxes at firm BBQs anymore. Also, at some firms, "Counsel" or "Senior Associate" is a term that designates partnerhip track. It's a necessary step at those firms. Nice due dilligence.

I hope someone reviews your work before it gets sent out the door. Or, you fail the bar exam.

Go Gators.

- One of the 15 "acceptable" UF Law V20 attorneys.

73 - UVA Law is supportly completely with private funds (i.e. not by Virginia taxpayers).

81- Sounds like jealously. Doesn't become you. Remember- the best slams are written from a sense of superiority, not sad, sad desperation. You're The Ohio State of ATL posters.

No, my firm's booming. Thanks for asking. (And if you're curious, which you're not, after my initial trepidation when realizing that the rest of my summer class was YHS, I quickly became known as the smart one. Go figger. Must be the orange and blue.)

73, 83 - UMich Law is supported with private funds, too (i.e., $45,000/year tuition, which is more than HLS), not just taxes.

from Career Services Information HOTLINE
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date Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
subject OCI Update: Friday Canceled

Friday interviews are canceled.

We are currently working to reschedule those employers. Keep checking under the Phase 2 tab which will remain open until Sunday at noon for all rescheduled employers.

Understand that we are just as frustrated as you are about all of these cancellations and reschedules. We know that it will be inconvenient to miss class to interview, or to have to schedule around class and/or work schedules, but the longer the employers wait to return, the less chance the firms will still be hiring. In this competitive market, we want employers to return to campus ASAP - even if it causes parking, scheduling and other inconveniences. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Below are the answers to some common questions we have been receiving regarding the rescheduling:

I have a class conflict and would rather not miss class. What do I do? You will need to decide what to do. If you want to interview, and the only remaining interview time is during your class, you either interview or decline. This does count towards your 2 decline limit.

I declined my interview because I had a date conflict, but with the reschedule, can I get my interview back? If you want a previously declined interview, you will need to email me ASAP as schedules are being finalized as quickly as possible.

I was an alternate, but was subsequently granted an interview. Am I back to an alternate? Not necessarily. Since you were originally an alternate, I need to go through all of the schedules and then determine who I can sign up. You will get an individual email if you are being rescheduled. The originally selected students have priority, but I am trying to get everyone in.

I don't see the employers? Why isn't the firm listed under EIW? Where do I go to reschedule? All rescheduled firms (regardless of date) are listed under Phase 2. Be sure to keep scrolling as there are a LOT of firms listed there.

Can I change my time after I scheduled? Only if there is an open time slot. At this time, we cannot accommodate requests that will require asking other students to change their schedules. We need to move quickly toward finalizing as many schedules as possible.

There are no time slots available!! This issue should have been resolved, however, if you continue to have a problem, please email me.

Why isn't XYZ firm listed under Phase 2? They were scheduled during EIW? They haven't chosen a date yet. they may have a tentative date on the calendar, but haven't made a decision.

Stop Calling the Firms. We continue to get calls from employers complaining that students have been calling and emailing them about their date on campus, the conflict with class schedules, receptions, telling them that 90% of students are pulling out of OCI. This is not appropriate. Stop contacting them.

Director
Center for Career Services

Please consider the environment. Think before you print.

Please note: In accepting job postings, the University of Florida Levin College of Law does not vouch for the credentials, reputation or good faith dealings of the employers or firms making the offerings.

83/85: You're missing the broader point (and 85, I think even the narrower one as well -- every school gets some money from tuition), which is that there's nothing wrong with a state law school serving the state. UVA and UMich abandoned that a long time ago, even though they continue to derive benefits from their status as arms of their respective states. It's really shameful that a state school would abandon its duty to the state, which is why I'm opposed to the quest by UF's current president to up the undergrad school's USN&WR ranking without taking into account whether that best serves the people of Florida.

No one really pays the excess tuition at a T-14 school because it will provide a 5-times better education than a state school. You go because it's better branding: people will assume you're smarter because you got in there. And maybe you'll make better conenctions along the way, so you might succeed more, but you're not necessarily any smarter or a better lawyer as a result of your decision to go to, say, Chicago over UF.

--73

Friday interviews are canceled.

We are currently working to reschedule those employers. Keep checking under the Phase 2 tab which will remain open until Sunday at noon for all rescheduled employers.

Understand that we are just as frustrated as you are about all of these cancellations and reschedules. We know that it will be inconvenient to miss class to interview, or to have to schedule around class and/or work schedules, but the longer the employers wait to return, the less chance the firms will still be hiring. In this competitive market, we want employers to return to campus ASAP - even if it causes parking, scheduling and other inconveniences. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Below are the answers to some common questions we have been receiving regarding the rescheduling:

I have a class conflict and would rather not miss class. What do I do? You will need to decide what to do. If you want to interview, and the only remaining interview time is during your class, you either interview or decline. This does count towards your 2 decline limit.

I declined my interview because I had a date conflict, but with the reschedule, can I get my interview back? If you want a previously declined interview, you will need to email me ASAP as schedules are being finalized as quickly as possible.

I was an alternate, but was subsequently granted an interview. Am I back to an alternate? Not necessarily. Since you were originally an alternate, I need to go through all of the schedules and then determine who I can sign up. You will get an individual email if you are being rescheduled. The originally selected students have priority, but I am trying to get everyone in.

I don't see the employers? Why isn't the firm listed under EIW? Where do I go to reschedule? All rescheduled firms (regardless of date) are listed under Phase 2. Be sure to keep scrolling as there are a LOT of firms listed there.

Can I change my time after I scheduled? Only if there is an open time slot. At this time, we cannot accommodate requests that will require asking other students to change their schedules. We need to move quickly toward finalizing as many schedules as possible.

There are no time slots available!! This issue should have been resolved, however, if you continue to have a problem, please email me.

Why isn't XYZ firm listed under Phase 2? They were scheduled during EIW? They haven't chosen a date yet. they may have a tentative date on the calendar, but haven't made a decision.

Stop Calling the Firms. We continue to get calls from employers complaining that students have been calling and emailing them about their date on campus, the conflict with class schedules, receptions, telling them that 90% of students are pulling out of OCI. This is not appropriate. Stop contacting them.

Ms. Jessie Howell Wallace, JD
Director
Center for Career Services

Sure feel bad for the UF students... much worse than what happened to Tulane and Loyola after Katrina. Oh, wait...

Another UF 3L here.

Our school sucks; stop patting ourselves on the backs. Only the top 10-20% will have decent jobs. The rest of the school is screwed and with Public Defender-esque jobs.... Career Services caters to the top few. Unlike a T14 who gets everyone a job.... we suck. Oh well. At least is cheap and there is football, booze, and sorrority sisters.

UF 3L out.

2 bits; 4 bits; 6 bits a dollar.... all Florida Gators stand up and collect welfare! woooooo

I guessed a Levin Law Girl and I liked it.

I kissed a Levin Law Girl and I liked it.

53/55 ... Sutherland still sucks.

UF 3L NO debt, BIGLAW job, 160K/yr. Enough said.

I'm rather impressed that there is an ongoing "convo" about UF. This site is really becoming AutoAdmit.

Go Gators!

Hmm . . . 91 knows the Mr. Two Bits chant. I'm thinking 91 attends a school that regularly gets thumped by UF in [pick a sport] and has witnessed said thumping in person. I guess Vandy! And yeah, I'm sure you know/have heard of a single UF Law grad on welfare- for that matter, a single law grad of any school on welfare. No, not Vandy- I take it back. The school most likley to inspire a comment of the caliber you contributed is FSU.

So, in a more serious subject, is our defense going to step up this year, or what? Offense can only get you so far; Michigan would have scored like 70 if they hadn't had four fumbles in the redzone.

And by the way, I think we've hit our quota on ACL tears for the next two years.

I know this thread is now old, but I practice in Florida after a stint in NY and I can say without question that UF Law students/alumni have the trifecta going for them: the school sucks, they still think they are important, and they make lousy attorneys. Sure, out of the thousands and thousands of true biglaw jobs you will find a few UF grads. But if you want to find the true stomping grounds of UF grads, check the public defender and the "small firm where they daddy practices trusts and estates law" rosters.

98-

Y'know, you're partially right. Bit a little bit of knowledge still makes ya dumb.

UF is not T14. Unlike schools from Yale to Cornell, the bottom of our class is screwed. Here's the thing:

1. If you do well at UF, you can get the BigLaw job. And not just T4 "have to finish top 5 in your class".

2. A decent percentage of UF gators are legacy and are planning on working for in their relative's podunk firms. Such is their ambition.

3. And if you screw up, our cruddy career services isn't going to save you. Welcome to gummint service (PD, dept. of children and families etc.).

What's the same about all these scenarios? You're paying a heck of a lot less for the privilege. Does it make it harder to do an academic track? Heck yeah! Almost impossible. Work hard, though, and your SA salary can pay for your entire law school tuition plus living expenses.

In short, there is a great amount of variability at UF. Some great smart students who can compete with the HYS crowd. And some people to keep the state running... which is sort of the reason behind a state law school.

99 -- yet another UF 3L here: I agree.

99--42/50 etc (UF 3L) here. I agree as well.

98- Spoken like a true outsider.