only in nyc would a stripper ask you what you do in order to judge you. what a retarded society.

Lat, great article over at the Observer.

Only in New York would a governor travel down to Washington to Mayflower a pricey Jersey call girl.

Hugo Boss? Really?

3 buttons in NYC are so 2 years ago Lat...

Great topic. New york lawyers follow the "work hard-play hard" mantra more than DC lawyers. Ive worked in both. A bit more boring in DC, but at least you have a small chance of having a life.

What is the current NYC style re: number of buttons?

I don't know ANYONE who goes to Old Ebitt Grille for happy hour. Tourists maybe, but DC lawyers?

people live in the west village? investment bank is a fantasy exit opportunity? that's a pretty lame fantasy. dreaming to work for a bank is like running into a burning building thesedays.

The main difference is that DC is a boring, transient town.

Halverson eats at Old Ebitt. In fact, I think she at the whole thing.

Button down shirts and JoS. A Bank says all one needs to know about DC. haha.

I like the Dubliner in DC after work, right by Union Station. But then again I am a drunk who loves Irish music and bad food. Oh, and lots of idiot tourists.

They're both TTT. Texas is much much better.

To all you haters, DC is the Paris of America. This is the true national capital of the world's greatest nation. We have it all, the Hill, the Courts, and the nightlife. Working for the DOJ or the SEC is what most of us dreamed of before going to law school.

You nailed both the workday and the Daily Reads for both NY and DC. You should have included Bethesda/Silver Spring for areas where partners and/or associates live in D.C.

this is stupid

I think I get it. In DC people like politics and only the strong survive. In NY people like shoes.

Now I understand why the NYC posters are so focused on themselves and rankings--outside of their law firms they are openly mocked and ridiculed. Well, enjoy it NYC lawyers, at least in other parts of the country, lawyers are at the top of the food chain (except in L.A., where they evidently lose reservations to Hollywood types).

Who do you guys think will be second to Wachtell in Profits Per Semester?

Kirkland & Ellis lawyers have their weekly happy hour at Old Ebbitt. I have also seen White House lawyers there.

No mention of Wonkette as a daily read for DC lawyers? Lat, how soon we forget.

I've never met a New Yorker who reads Slate, yet nearly everyone I knew in law school in DC read it.

And ditto 9...Ebbitt Grille? Seriously?

Old Ebbitt: front = tourist; back = powerbrokers

The poster comparing DC to Paris is a subtle London troll.

20, are you suggesting that practicing lawyers are at the top of the food chain in DC?

8: 2 or 1

DC has better law schools.

I really have no time for DC. Great town to visit. Dead at night. Still dead during the day with soulless zombies, poorly dressed.

People who refer to their lifestyle as : "work hard-play hard" = the ultimate in douchebaggery.

Lat,

Can you do one of these comparing Houston and Dallas?

Thanks,

Texas Troll

Dewey, not Rehoboth. Rehoboth is for families. Dewey is for cougars.

I would like to see a comparison of Atlanta and Charlotte lawyers as well.

fasion in dc is completely lacking and devoid of imagination and courage. Shopping in this city is difficult. But, you do have a life and bigger tiny condo. 750sq.ft instead of 400sq.ft.

Dc being a lawyer is still fairly high on the food chain, the only problem is everyone's a lawyer. Its like looking for a needle in a stack of needles.

32 - Dewey and Rehoboth merged a year ago.

DC sucks so much as even CWT associates won't go there.

I have lived in a variety of cities. While D.C. night life certainly isn't NY, Chi, Miami or LA, its not nearly as bad as people say it is. It is certainly better than Boston, Philly or basically any other east coast city outside of NY/Miami. I have lived - or at least spent time in many - and DC is second tier, but not bottom tier.

This was one of the most annoying posts / articles I have ever read.

The point is that if you are working in the legal profession in the US, you had better be in NYC or DC. Anything else is bush-league, especially TTTexas, ATTTlanta and CharloTTTe.

39 "works hard and plays hard" I bet

To follow up 30, people who "work hard, play hard" don't always drink beer. But when they do, they prefer Dos Equis.

Poste? Not so much. Pretentious and lousy happy hour selection.

I wrote "works hard plays hard". I am a lawyer in DC. I was just trying to encapsulate the douchebag-ness of NYC lawyers who think its cool that they work till 11pm every night. Thats awesome- wish I could do that! "Im an nyc lawyer, Im so important, I worked 100 hours last week " (on doc review)

While NYC is far better dressed, given how much it costs to live in NYC, eat in NYC, party in NYC, and dress in NYC - there's not nearly as much left. Of course, the bonuses are better, but at the end of the day, I'll take the DC backwater any day. And I have a yard.

Semester?

Actually, here is the correct answer for "associates who live in the city" -- DC:

"The same four buildings"

There is definitely a social scene in DC. If you're not seeing it, it's by design. Those who are well connected keep much of that life among themselves. It can be a very tight clique of rich and powerful people who entertain privately.

20 here: I was referring to almost any other major city, though the point about the number of lawyers in D.C. is a good point. They may be toward the top of the food chain, but partly because they are almost the entire food chain.

47 works and plays harder than anyone

47- does entertaining privately include Nazi sex parties?

Max Mosely

I need to buy some new shoes...

- DC associate leaving for job in NY

How about Chicago culture vs. New York culture? I plan to practice in the former.

17 clearly is not from here. Silver Spring is for government lawyers. The right Maryland answer is Partners:Chevy Chase or Potomac::Associates:"North" Bethesda or Kentlands.

50 - password?

I would like to see Fargo/Minot comparison, please.

-Ole

My condolences, 52.

I would love to see this feature extended to other markets (like Boston). The stripper anecdote at the end was hilarious -- it reminded me of a past ATL post about a partner at a NYC law firm who went to a fundraiser at his kids' school and said that with all the bankers there, his social status was basically equal to the doorman.

Seems like $$$ is all anybody cares about in NY. Makes me glad I'm not there!

Chicago culture - dumb, fat, midwesterners who think they are the bomb because they're smarter and make more money than the other dumb, fat midwesterners.

#58: at least those dumb, fat midwesterners don't use expression like "the bomb."

47 wishes he were invited to the parties he speaks of

53 is almost right. Potomac (the real Potomac and not the Rockville Potomac) is where the serious partners live in MD.

This thread seems to be attracting more trolls than a fairytale about bridges.

#59 - you rock. thanks for making me laugh for about 5 minutes straight.

#16 - FYI: Chicago is the Paris of America. Carry on.

59,

Ditka versus a hurricane. Who wins?

Who knew the last P in PPP stood for "semester?"

#65: Trick question. Answer: Ditka's 'stache

--#59

Chicago is the Warsaw of America, demographically speaking.

2:23(2) - That error isn't in the print edition. It must be a data entry screw-up.

Although these comments are clearly trolling, D.C. was at least designed by the same idiot who designed Paris. I lived there for several years and never did get used to all of those roundabouts.

Oh my god. DC sucks. UVA sucks. GULC is ok. But DC sucks.

Simple Jack

Chicago is also the Kiev of America.

71 -- Analogy for you. GULC is to elite law schools as _________ is to grand cuisine.

Since it's evident from your post that you went to GULC, one may infer that you've toiled most your life in shitty schools. It stands to reason that you've done pitifully on standard tests, including the analogies on the SAT. So I'll give you a clue: the answer is where you'll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life with your TTT GULC JD.

Lawyer decides to change his profession in order to impress eastern european strippers? Wow. And I thought commenters on ATL were insecure.

- West Coast

71 - GULC is ok, but UVA sucks? Man, do I NOT want to party with you. Identifying members of the House and having policy debates is not my idea of a good time. More beer and softball, please. Even if it means a Late Night Shots crowd, I'll take it.

I think what this thread has proven is that everyone in the legal profession, whether they work in D.C., New York, or some other major American city, is insecure, petty, and childish.

What a retarded topic to bicker about, and yet you folks went into it full throttle.

The real difference is that people in DC don't care as much about the pretentious crap NYCers worry about. Many partners here make NYC money, have mega-mansions in Virginia, and don't have to worry about wearing thousand dollar suits to work everyday. And they're generally at the top of the food chain and don't have to complain/worry about what i-bankers and private equity people are doing. Enjoy being "openly mocked" in NYC, I can tell you it doesn't happen here in DC.

58 is another "work hard, play hard" professional rectum.

76 - it's not everyone in the legal profession. It's everyone who wants to be in the legal profession (law students...) who are insecure, petty and childish.

Wish I'd been good enough to go to school with 73. Looks like he's really ended up living the dream.

- Not 71

UVA is awesome -- where else can you extend your college experience 3 years if you refuse to grow up-- and get the added bonus of lame frat boys and the mediocre cookie cutter girls who love them.

When you are ready to grow up, advance your career and start making connections that will serve you throughout life, and live in a city that is fun and with some diversity for god sakes, go to GULC

81, also don't forget

STAAAAAAAAAAATE SCHOOOOOOOOOL

LOL@"The real difference is that people in DC don't care as much about the pretentious crap NYCers worry about. "

We know, we know--you just want a yard.

GULC is a f*cking joke of a school. Anyone in the know holds GW in much higher regard than GULC or UVA and Widener for that matter.

Wow...the GULC trolls are out in full force today. Why is it that pretty much all GULC kids that I have been in contact with seem to have an enormous complex about the prestige/quality of their school??? Don't worry GULCers, we created an arbitrary category of "T14" just so you guys can be included with the good schools...

Some corrections:

-Junior partners live in Capitol Hill.

-Only conservative senior partners go to Great Falls. Liberal senior partners go to Chevy Chase, Bethesda, and Potomac.

-Caucus Room is weak for power lunch. Oceanaire, Capital Grille, or Charlie Palmer are better choices (glad you didn't say the Palm though -- lame).

-Only K&E associates go to Old Ebbitt, if they even get off work on a Friday night.

Us DC attorneys don't just want a yard, we want some level of respect and the ability to get into clubs, get reservations, get dates, etc. - which we get, since we're not competing with the finance industry.

Why do all UVAers like to rag out GULC and DC then get to DC as soon as they possibly can after graduation?

GULC students wipe the ass Cravath all the time.

88 - How do you tie GULC and DC together? Is it b/c GULC is in DC?? I can rag on GULC all I want and still not be hypocritical by coming to DC after law school. Maybe if your analytical skills and reasoning were slightly stronger, you would have gotten in to a better law school...best of luck to you.

Raging sense of inferiority much, 43?

I think GULC is gr8T!!!!!!!! Best school in the cuntry, for sure!!!!!! Nation's capitol??? I mean, come on people!?? Best school, easy.

What's a GULC?

Is it ABA accredited?

I don't get the GULC hating. The GULC attorneys I've worked with at biglaw firms have been as good as any Harvard or Columbia attorney I've worked with. I don't understand why people on this board think there's this great big difference. I guess top 10 grads need to keep trying to reinforce a difference to ease their insecurities.

90 - Im shocked you went to UVA and end up in DC after graduation. Never seen that before.... You are right it makes absolutely no sense to go to the best law school in the city you want to live in, get any job you want in the city and actually live in the city you prefer three years longer. You are right its much better to live in lame ass Charlotesville, where the highlight is hoping to score with some fugly 20 year old wearing pearls and pastel colors.

94, There is no difference:

"For the entering [GULC] class of 2007, the median LSAT was a 170, and the median GPA was a 3.67."

Nothing like that good ol' small pond, eh, 87?

As I type this with my blackberry curve I am pissing all over GULC.

UVA 4 LIFE -- Keeping the Madras Mafia alive!

94 -- GULC = TTT degree factory. As soon as someone like you starts bringing in supposed empirical evidence, I know I've won the argument, because it's sort of like saying "Well I've eaten at Arby's and I enjoy it." No one cares. It still blows.

Chances are you yourself are just too TTT to discern the difference between a TTT GULC lawyer, a decent (if still inferior) Columbia lawyer, and a true elite, such as an HYS grad.

95, once again GULC reasoning just blows me away...wow. According to your logic, it would be stupid for one to attend Yale instead of GULC if they knew they wanted to end up working in DC. Genius!!

99 are you even an attorney at a biglaw firm? Attending HYS does not equal being a good biglaw attorney. I doubt attending GULC can "blow" so much when they get the same biglaw jobs as the "elite" HYS grads.

I went to Widener so I could feel smarter and better looking than everyone else.

Should I only buy >$300 shoes? I have an interview next week.

"Us DC attorneys don't just want a yard, we want some level of respect and the ability to get into clubs, get reservations, get dates, etc. - which we get, since we're not competing with the finance industry."

I'm a NY attorney and I get all of the above, plus I get to live in the only real city in this country. Then again, I'm hot, so maybe I'm not the best measure for the rest of you.

103 -- If you go to UVA you should wear penny loafers with no socks, and shorts ... and don't forget to pop your collar.

60 = Draco Malfoy

100 -- your unimpressive analogy must mean you spent too much time playing softball while we were learning. My argument only applies to UVA, because of its specific lameness in location and student body as compared to GULC. But hey, its Friday, dont worry about it, pop your collar, put on your penny loafers and head over to Smiths Point

Lat is Franklin Adam George right?

Lat, Lat, Lat: "mouse" is the verb. You are "mousing" over them. Think of the difference between "he ran over the bridge during the marathon" and "he ran over the hedge with his car." The former tells you where he ran, the latter is a compound verb meaning he hit it. "Mouse over" is like the bridge example.

(I'm not sure if "mouse" has officially been recognized as a verb. If not, it will be.)

GULC has higher LSAT scores than all but 7 or so law schools. (Don't have the stat in front of me).

I went to GULC, liked it, did medianish, going to good firm in DC, glad I went there (over other Top 10 schools).

GULC gets hated on more than any school in the country, and I cannot understand it. Is it Harvard? No. However, it is just as good as any other Top 8-14 school.

"...specific lameness in location and student body as compared to GULC." You're right 107. I wish I had learned the great art of name calling at GULC as well...but hey, I guess I was just too lame to get in there...oh wait, nevermind.

I just need a few minutes of GULC's time to wipe my UVA swass for me.

Watch out 112, GULCers might make fun of your "popped collar" or "loafers" while wiping.

I can't wait till March when the new rankings are out with part time numbers included; the GULC crowd on here will be absolutely hilarious.

/tier 2 student
//can't stand the GULC whores
///would have gone their if i could
///what does that make me?

Why do people from Texas think they count?

The GULC is RISING!

Why does 115 not think he is a loser?

Reading the comments on this blog can lead you to only one conclusion: this professions is full of mean, condescending, infantile, and insecure individuals.

It also appears that the level malaise positively correlated with so-called "prestige," "pedigree" and "sophistication."

It is the ultimate irony that the the most "successful" members of our profession are the most empty-handed, empty-headed, and empty-hearted members of our society.

God help us all.

The part time numbers don't significantly affect Georgetown's stats if you were to look. Plus who wants to be surrounded by a bunch of nerd 3.9ers at Yale, etc. GULC has a high LSAT score, indicating a smart student body. I'm happy with that. (oh, and I'm sure my 176 indicates I can run with the big boys as well, and still not be a gunner fag in college).

When I walked out of the Stock Exchange today, my Hermes tie was slightly disturbed by the breeze down Broad Street. A wholesome, likely Midwestern woman in her twenties finished taking a photo of the Exchange and made eye contact with me. She smiled shyly and got very flush.

Maybe you DC Lawyers can charm the pants off rubanesque interns with a slimy, tenuous grip on political power, and boxy, ill fitting, Mens Warehouse duds. Come to a real city and play with the big boys.

I'd love to taunt you more, but I have reservations at Momofuku Ko.

I'm not going to say that it isn't tough to get into GULC, but everyone knows that all it takes to get into GULC is a high LSAT. I think they do that so that they can make their incoming classes look more prestigious.

It's the same way that Columbia waives the application fee if you have a high LSAT score. They want to keep their stats up.

It doesn't mean that their student body is appreciably smarter than any other top 15 school - in fact, it probably isn't. It's just a (fairly easy) standardized test.

120 -- not everyone *needs* reservations.

Why did everyone end up talking about GULC? I wanted to talk about lawyer clothes and trendy restaurants! Go to LSD if you want to talk about silly rankings and LSAT scores.

GULC is as GULC does, son. Its just that simple.

120- Momofuko Ko has a random reservations policy. It's really cool that in your big boy city you have a reservation, but all that really means is that you woke up on a Monday morning, and that you don't get out of the office enough to actually know how to eat there.

125,

120 here. My lovely girlfriend actually takes care of those details. She takes restaurants very seriously, and Momofuku Ko was the West Germany of reservations; involving a federation of foodies and shell e-mail addresses. She actually also picks out my ties. She wouldn't make it in DC. She is too cultured.

While we had a wonderful meal last night at another restaurant, Momofuku Ko was used for effect. How many Chefs, Artists, Actors (in the legitimate theater), and professionals in general have a burning desire to practice their craft in DC? DC filled with people who thirst for power over others. NYC has those as well, but it also is a place where a person can have power over their own identity. In NYC you can be whomever you choose, and you'll have to find out quickly who that is to stay here (or, for some, until your parents' money runs out).

I think it basically distills to this:

NYC - Insecure culture snobs
DC - Insecure prestige whores

Gay lawyer prospects in NYC - twice a week off manhunt or craigslist, great body, nasty face, dumb as shit, probably Italian.

Gay lawyer prospects in DC - once a month with a transient white guy in a polo shirt and jeans, finds out a week later that half his friends have slept with the same guy.

Have you guys forgotten that you can't really walk around DC at night without being shot or raped in the ass?

Why do so many people that didn't go to GULC need to bash it? Why do you even care?? Don't you have something better to do??

using retarded as an insult is extremely uncool