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Duke Uses Big Apple to Fight Giuliani Lawsuit

Andrew Giuliani Duke University Duke golf team lawsuit.jpgOn Wednesday, Duke responded to Andrew Giuliani’s lawsuit. Duke claims that they were well within their rights to kick Giuliani off the school’s golf team.

Duke alleges that Giuliani threw an apple in another teammate’s face, injured a teammate, and was verbally abusive to one of the coaches.

Sounds about right.

You can’t believe everything you read in our comment threads, but one commenter on our initial post seems to have known exactly what Giuliani-time meant for Duke golfers:

Apparently, Giuliani threw an apple at another kid’s face who was also on the Duke golf team. The apple caused some damage to the kid’s face. O.D. [Vincent III, the coach of the golf team] is a class guy and has always been fair to everyone on the team. As evidenced by the fact that Giuliani is not back on the team, his ex-teammates don’t really like him at all. Not to mention the fact that he’s not good enough to be on the starting five. From an inside source, Giuliani was a “virus” on the team.

So maybe the kid has a bit of a temper and is a bad golfer? So what? We shouldn’t make fun of him. It’s not like he’s a community organizer or anything. Those are the people we should ridicule.

Duke defends dismissing Giuliani’s son [Charlotte Observer]

Earlier: Andrew Giuliani’s Golf Team Lawsuit: Open Thread

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:23 PM

First (JO)

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:23 PM

First (JO)

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:27 PM

Elie, no one would dispute that "community organizer" is a nice distinction to have on your law school application....it's not neccesarily that impressive for a candidate for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:28 PM

FORE!

5 Posted by TTTroll | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:28 PM

Sued for being kicked off a sports team? Is the purpose of this lawsuit to convince people he's not a douche who breaks a golf buddy's face with fruit? Or is this hurting his sponsorship chances?

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:28 PM

Damn ... somebody should slap some lipstick on that kid and tell him not to go full retard anymore.

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:32 PM

Elie,

You are supposed to let the commenters start the flamewars - you don't have to do it yourself. Your "community organizer" non-sequitur is undisciplined (or, alternatively, manipulative).

More substantively, Andy G. has got to have some serious paternal abandonment issues in play there.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:36 PM

Elie - where is the law hook here? This is Duke COLLEGE golf, right? So what the hell does this have to do with law or lawyers?

Or are we finally ending the charade and admitting that you see this site as your personal journal?

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:36 PM

There should be due process for removal from a collegiate sports team. This isn't your grandmother's intramural knitting club. This is a serious team that produces many world-class golfers and creates a form of promissory when they sign up to play.

There are rights and obligations created by his play. You people need to stop treating it like he "just got kicked off a sports team."

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:37 PM

"Sounds about right"? Based on what information exactly?

Get off yoru partisan political high horse, or this site is doomed.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:39 PM

He threw a 9/11 apple at him. Freedom was his!!!

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:39 PM

He threw a 9/11 apple at him. Freedom was his!!!

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:42 PM

No. 9.... you are an idiot.

"This is a serious team that produces many world-class golfers and creates a form of promissory when they sign up to play."

that is one of the most self entitled soundign statements i have ever heard.

I seriously doubt you would say that if a black Dook basketball player got kicked off the team for the same infraction.

What a jackass.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:43 PM

Nice self-troll, Elie.

@ 9, or should I say Andy Guiliani, what's a "form of promissory" anyway?

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:46 PM

9, "rights and obligations created by his play" what the does that mean?

This is a school sponsored golf team which means they're going to have their own rules coupled with league rules on when a team member can and cannot play. How do you know Duke didn't follow whatever "due procees" applies to removing players from their team?

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:47 PM

8, I don't think this is a good post, but you are a buffoon. This post is about a *lawsuit.* Law blogs publish things about lawsuits all the time - it is not a big deal.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:48 PM

his picture screams huuuuge d-bag

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:52 PM

Elie is AWFUL.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:55 PM

Removing him from the golf team violates the promissory of Blackstone's 2nd Treatise on college golf! The promissory! Won't someone think of the promissory!?

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:56 PM

Community organizers ridiculed guys from my highschool all the time. It was no big deal.

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:57 PM

Here's my OPINION:

As I understand the golf world, top-flight amateur golfers are sought after by many clubs for their services. By signing with the team, *under certain conditions*, promissory estoppal is created because the golfers' bargaining powers no longer applies.

Many of you wouldn't treat this case so casually if it were a professional sports team. I'm not a sports lawyer, but I assume that college and professional teams are under certain obligations to their players. The Cardinals couldn't release anyone from their team without due process and the honoring of their contracts. You can't pick up free agents at certain times. You can't trade in the play-offs. There are rules.

Whether the suit has merit isn't something I'm willing to opine or comment on. I simply think that you, smug commentators, are too dismissive. In the past ten years, our noble country has seen a rash of suits that challenge and question university actions, some of which may not be legal. (I assume people read Volokh, a blog that covered the latest U of Delaware action.)

I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not frivolously suing. Some of you don't seem to agree. Well, I don't know what to tell you, but I think that's misguided on your part.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:58 PM

3 and, to an extent, 7, nailed it.

Elie is the one we should make fun of.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:00 PM

#20 - i call bs. no way would community organizers get away with that at your high school.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:01 PM

those pictures look like colin montgomerie, only uglier

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:01 PM

21, what law school do you go to? I want to make sure we don't hire anyone from there this year.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:01 PM

#21 - the Cardinals suck. Get over it. Loser.

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Elie, you communist porch monkey, stop shilling for obama.

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:06 PM

27, this is 3....I implore you to act like a human being. Elie may suck because he's a communist and likes Obama, but you're a total asshole for calling him a racist name.

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:06 PM

Seriously. Check the ideology at the door, Elie. Is is that difficult to be funny without invoking some sort of political humor?

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:07 PM

25: Why?

I'm not defending anyone here. I have faith in our justice system to sort out the wheat from the chaff without the interference and pressure of anonymous online commentators. I went to school because I believe that the the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice, and this action should be no exception to that principle.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:07 PM

28, It is not racist! Didn't you watch "Clerks II"?

- Not 3

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:08 PM

Why is this post on ATL? It's dumb.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:09 PM

I can't believe it took 33 posts until someone checked the time tag on this post. Elie is flaming all of you and you don't even know it.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:10 PM

21/30 - "I believe that the cock of the universe is long, but I bend over for it in the name of justice."

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:11 PM

33, you are real smart and all, but check 7.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:18 PM

I think it is slightly odd:

that Quagliano who was Giuliani's best friend from high school now doesn't want him on the team.

that Brian Kim (apple incident) after speaking with Sports Illustrated is now off the team.

Giuliani, may deserve this treatment but the whole thing is suspect.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:20 PM

too long. didn't read.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:20 PM

I second and third the calls for an end to Elie's partisanship. Lat and Kash and the WSJ Law Blog are excellent at avoiding that, considering the subject matter of the blogs. Follow suit.

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:23 PM

I heard they play golf in Bratislava sometimes.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:25 PM

BRING BACK LAT FULL TIME!

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:33 PM

This is what you get when you give the child of Jewel y Yanni a scholarship to a descent school like Duke.

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:35 PM

Giuliani will be captain of the GULC golf team next year.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:35 PM

Gee, I wonder where young Giuliani learned to be abusive to others?

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:38 PM

Giuliani looks like what would be spawned if you lopped off one of Judge Halverson's chins and let it soak in miracle grow for a few weeks.

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:45 PM

Bring back LAT!

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:45 PM

"I second and third the calls for an end to Elie's partisanship. Lat and Kash and the WSJ Law Blog are excellent at avoiding that"
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BWAHAHA! This is rich even for the Fed Soc contingent!

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:45 PM

From the looks of the first photo, his putting stroke alone was justification for kicking him off the team. The guy looks like Scott Hoch on a bad day...

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:47 PM

He has GULC material written all over him.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:47 PM

I was giving Elie the benefit of the doubt, until this post.

The topic was inane, the caveat about the reliability of site comments unnecessary except perhaps for the newest of n00bs, and anyone with even a slightest sense of humor would have figured out the Obama joke without the last, "ridicule" sentence.

So, to sum up, the post is boring and ham-fisted.

Elie, your assignment, should you choose to accept (and you should, to give this blog a smidgen of a chance of succeeding post-Lat) is to read every post Lat has ever made, back to the beginning of A3G. You don't have to ape his shtick--that would be tacky and obvious--but you do need to learn how to blog so that people will actually want to read.

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:49 PM

let's all vote elie off the blog

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:49 PM

Halverson's Chin sucks at golf!

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:50 PM

48, which school did/do you go to?

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:51 PM

elie = gone

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:51 PM

Guys used to throw apples at each other all the time when I was in school. It was of minor consequence.

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:52 PM

46, as evidenced by tax blog's report on law professor's donations at elite schools, the "fedsoc contigent" is discriminated against in law school and has to put up with a plenty of crap. Abovethelaw USED to be a reprieve from that. Now, it looks like more of the same. Kash and Elie both make politically charged comments and are clearly fairly liberal. Abovethelaw and its predecessor blog, was unique in that Lat was clearly sympathetic to conservatives (although he is anti-Bush) and actually praised many judges that are routinely bashed in law school. He actually made it respectable to defend judges like Kozinski and Scalia. Now that is obviously lost. Abovethelaw is just going to be another liberal blog. Nothing wrong with that but it loses its uniqueness.

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:54 PM

Guys used to throw apples at each other all the time when I was in school. It was of minor consequence.

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:55 PM

46, as evidenced by tax blog's report on law professor's donations at elite schools, the "fedsoc contigent" is discriminated against in law school and has to put up with a plenty of crap. Abovethelaw USED to be a reprieve from that. Now, it looks like more of the same. Kash and Elie both make politically charged comments and are clearly fairly liberal. Abovethelaw and its predecessor blog, was unique in that Lat was clearly sympathetic to conservatives (although he is anti-Bush) and actually praised many judges that are routinely bashed in law school. He actually made it respectable to defend judges like Kozinski and Scalia. Now that is obviously lost. Abovethelaw is just going to be another liberal blog. Nothing wrong with that but it loses its uniqueness.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:57 PM

52 -- GW2L, so suck it.

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:02 PM

Have you guys SEEN Apocalypto?

It's soo awesome.

-Mel Gibson

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:07 PM

This kid is a spoiled little brat who has never grown up. He tarnishes his Dad's good name and should be an embarrassment to his family.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:07 PM

"the 'fedsoc contigent' is discriminated against in law school and has to put up with a plenty of crap."

Produce a single iota of proof of this and/or a single documented, verifiable incidient where a member of the Federalist Society was "discriminated against in law school."

I won't even bother to ask you to define "discrimination," since you clearly couldn't.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:11 PM

61-- Suck it.

Love, Mel Gibson

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:13 PM

54 = worst attempt to imitate fraternity lothario ever.

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:14 PM

i LOVE elie. what a great story.
keep up the good work cuz many more non-morons read this blog than most of these fed-scos would like to believe...

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:16 PM

61-- Suck it.

Love, Mel Gibson
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The fact that you even made it to law school is proof that the only discrimination involved is against the people passed over for you and your ilk. Now go put some lipstick on your pig.

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:17 PM

63, what do you mean? Guys used to attempt to imitate fraternity lothario all the time when I was in school. Nothing much ever came of it.

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:20 PM

63, you obviously went to a state school. Any right-leaning student or even center-left student takes flack for their beliefs from fellow students. Faculty, routinely made snide remarks about Republicans and the Iraq War. If you think that this did not affect grades in seminars and non-anoymous grading classes that were required than you live in a liberal bubble.

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:20 PM

61, you obviously went to a state school. Any right-leaning student or even center-left student takes flack for their beliefs from fellow students. Faculty, routinely made snide remarks about Republicans and the Iraq War. If you think that this did not affect grades in seminars and non-anoymous grading classes that were required than you live in a liberal bubble.

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:22 PM

21: not only are you "no sports lawyer," but judging from your terrible argument and inability to spell "estoppel" correctly, i'd wager you're no kind of lawyer.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:27 PM

"The fact that you even made it to law school is proof that the only discrimination involved is against the people passed over for you and your ilk."

65, that is not proof of anything. The top-14 schools that accepted me had no way of knowing my political leanings. Being a Republican surely would not have counted in my favor.

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:29 PM

Yes, you fed-soc GULCtards are correct. ATL was unique as the only right leaning legal blog.

-The Polack Conspiracy

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:35 PM

Chubby Andy should be allowed to do whatever he wants since his daddy saved NY on 9-11.

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:36 PM

Can we please get back to how well Giuliani Halverson will fit in with all the GULC kids?

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:41 PM

http://thewomblog.com/?p=2060

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:43 PM

Ok, so whats the deal with the GULC hating? I can understand hating on Yale or something, but why GULC? Before I came here I had never heard anything bad about them.

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

63, was post 54 an "attempt to imitate fraternity lothario" or an "immitation of fraternity lothario"? Are you suggesting that 54 somehow was not a genuine immitation, or are you merely wasting our time with superfluous words?

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

21, you have no idea what you're talking about.

68, quit your crying, will you? it's whiny folks like you who have us in a mental recession.

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:00 PM

63, was post 54 an "attempt to imitate fraternity lothario" or an "immitation of fraternity lothario"? Are you suggesting that 54 somehow was not a genuine immitation, or are you merely wasting our time with superfluous words?

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79 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:02 PM

16 has to be the best use of the Frat Stud to date.

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:10 PM

GULC Stud says Frat Stud doesn't hold a candle to Jiggly Giuliani's antics and kerfuffles.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:29 PM

So you trash Elie for this post, but David L, who posted the original story about this moron, gets off without criticism.

That doesn't make any sense.

And you right wingers are sure thin skinned. Your guys started the nasty community organizer statement, now it gets tossed back to you and your knickers are in a knot?

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:32 PM

Faculty, routinely made snide remarks about Republicans and the Iraq War. If you think that this did not affect grades in seminars and non-anoymous grading classes that were required than you live in a liberal bubble.
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Any more excuses for your 2.83 G.P.A. and absence from Law Review?

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:36 PM

81, the difference is that Lat's post was well-written and funny, while Elie's post is uninspired and hostile.

I think this is a basic enough proposition, but let me know if I should repeat it for you.

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:39 PM

75: I don't get the GULC hating either. I'm proud of my school. And my fellow students are amazing. In fact, the majority of my classmates are in the top ten percent.

-GULC 2009

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:53 PM

Giuliani is so fat that he is the GULC 10%.

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:53 PM

81, there was nothing nasty about the community organizer statement. If you want to see nasty, read any left-wing blog that comments about: McCain's age or first marriage or POW experiences or Sarah Palin's experience, intelligence, background, children, etc...

Moreover, that Rudy Giuliani who made the remark not anyone on this blog and certainly that shouldn't carry over to his son (who is not on good terms with his father). His son should be judged on his own merits or lack there of.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:57 PM

81, there was nothing nasty about the community organizer statement. If you want to see nasty, read any left-wing blog
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Yeah, we know--conservatives are never nasty.

Signed,
Karl Rove and the story of the black daughter

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:04 PM

Community organizers to 160!! Because that's about what Obama would be worth per year!

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:12 PM

Yeah, community organizers to 160 would be awesome.

But you know what's even more awesome? Apocalypto... that movie rocked.

-Mel Gibson

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:14 PM

Ignore the GULC haters. Most are at GW.

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:22 PM

Why are the GULCers and U Penn Staters so oversensitive? Isn't it better to be insulted than ignored?

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:33 PM

Not just law school - I think the entire country is saturated with Obama ass-kissing. Don't get me wrong, he seems to be a nice enough guy, and I'm planning to vote for him, but the hero worship is getting sickening.

I appreciated Lat's different point of view.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:33 PM

It seems a lot of GW kids are angry at the GULC kids and thus come venting on this blog. GW is also a great school, so no need to rip others, ok?

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:05 PM

GULC kids hate GW kids because they wear better clothes.

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:08 PM

Yes, I'm sure that your excellent clothes keep you nice and warm in the doc review basement, 94.

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:18 PM

21 = Marc Edelman, who knows neither sports nor the law.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 12, 2008 11:15 AM

Maybe he should try out for the lacross team.

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 12, 2008 1:38 PM

So the moral of the GULC hating story is that GW kids are just acting out because they're insecure about their school's ranking?

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