Lat, you sit within 15 feet of Elie? How do you keep from being drawn into the gravitational pull of Elie's gigantic head?

MPRE = Epic Fail = GULC

who cares

is elie referring to himself in the 3rd person (and IMing with himself) or is the byline incorrect?

Sorry, I got bored and started thinking about fluffy cats playing with yarn, so I didn't completely read the article.

Strangely enough this also applies to my experience with studying for the MPRE.

I definitely overstudied, that's all I have to say.

I took the MPRE at a technical institute in Philadelphia ("on the outskirts of Philly," to be technical). There was a mirror, over which hung a sign reading "would you hire this person?"

study for this? just answer the second most ethical thing and you'll pass

I passed by a lot but I still did not think it was easy.

9

Exactly.

The people who fail are the ones who insist upon choosing the Mother-Theresa-safe-as-a-fluffy-bunny-and-rainbows-are-pretty answers one question after another.

You're in this profession to make money, not to be voted Miss Congeniality.

Is this correct?

a. Yes but
b. No if.

Are you kidding me?

12, just wait for the MBE. Muah hah hah hahhhh.

i go to Hofstra and like half the kids I know just flunked it. It seems like the MPRE is pretty hard, say what you want!

lame post - why bother with a story like this at all

I failed because I have down syndrome.

I passed because I have down syndrome.

Guys from my high school would fail the MPRE exam without studying all the time. It was no big deal.

Frat Stud #2

I love how the website tells you the average score is 100, and the top score is 150, but there is a graph (meant for the LSAT?) that shows noone getting a score lower than 100 and people scoring all the way up to 180.

Details. Details

19 here. This is the link:

http://www.ncbex.org/multistate-tests/mpre/scores/interpret/

I know like 5 people (including myself) that all got 113s. What the heck?

Easiest.Test.Ever. Studied 1.5 days, got 124. Am I ethical? Not in the least.

I thought the turn around was pretty quick as well. Didn't study at all, and got a 105. I guess the rumors are true - its a stupidity filter.

Studied (outside of Legal Profession class) for 4 hours and pulled a 134. Not a hard test. :)

Wow #16/#17. Just wow.

I studied for 20 minutes in the car on the way home from the test and got a 147.

I studied a lot, thought I got every answer wrong and scored a 127. Strange.

lsat/mpre

170/70

113

Who knew that answering "C" to every question was ethical?...

I got a 113 too. That seems to be a common score today.

ATL has an office? I always assumed you guys worked from the coffee table out of Lat's studio apartment.

109 here. I thought the way the questions were worded was strange. Walking out I honestly thought I could have received any score between 85 and 125 because I had to guess at so many. I'm happy with 109 though.

192 here; thought some of the questions were tough but I obviously guessed correctly. Cravath, here I come.

52, had a rough day, not that easy

52, had a rough day, not that easy

52, had a rough day, not that easy

151 here. Why didn't all of you write the extra credit essay on the back page?!

LOL. failing the MPRE=McDonald's cashier for life!

I remember not being sure I was reading the score report correctly because I got a 146 and the passing score in NY was 70-something. How could it be possible to double the passing score? If you fail this test, you should just find something else to do with your life because the future will be an uphill battle for you if you stay in the law. Seriously, failing this test should be a very strong signal that you made a bad choice when you decided to become a lawyer. Stop wasting your money.

When I took this test right after lawschool many years ago, I passed with flying colors. When I moved to another state that didn't have reciprocity, I had to take the test again. This time. without studying at all, I passed, but my result was far less (but it was still 'passing'). Just goes to show that after so many years practicing law, its a lot harder to see the legal profession in terms of black and white. A hell of a lot of gray out there.

No. 20-- that graph is almost meaningless. The two lines with dots appear to show the distribution of the RAW scores, not the scaled scores. The curved lines (without the dots) also are not scaled scores, since those should be a bell curve with the median/mean right at 100, and no score higher than 150. I wonder why the MPRE cannot give out percentiles (other than 100 = 50th percentile), as does the LSAT. Or, for that matter, the MBE!

http://www.ncbex.org/multistate-tests/mpre/scores/interpret/

I got 269 on the MPRE. GO ME!

I think it is just the whole different day, different number thing. Three years ago, I took it and got a 76. This time, a 106. Granted, I'm also dyslexic...but still... Regardless, I was delighted with a 106. Especially since I got the day off beforehand to study and thought that laying out would be a better use of my time.

I got a 133 on the MPRE and am pissed off because Bratislava only requires a 29 to be admitted.

The MPRE is not easy. It's just that most states require a very low score to pass.

I studied for about 2 days and I was certain I failed. There were a ton of questions I had no clue on. Yet, I got a 116.

I heard that in NY if you score over a 128 on the MPRE you do not need to take the bar - any truth to that rumor?

Passing score in NY is an 85, not a 70

This test seems very difficult. I studied all of 6 hours and got a 110 but, I literally thought I got EVERY question wrong. WTF! One of my best friends who is quasi-smart got a 65!

This test seems very difficult. I studied all of 6 hours and got a 110 but, I literally thought I got EVERY question wrong. WTF! One of my best friends who is quasi-smart got a 65!

arrghh I flipped through the book the day before an only ended up with 84! CRAP! Anyone know if theres anyway I can appeal to qualify for the 1 lousy point needed for NY?

For those of you who passed, can you please give some advice on how to prepare? I am in a Professional Responsibility class right now and I don't think it will prepare me for the MPRE at all.

What commercial supplements did you read? How did you study?

Is it coincidence that the people complaining that the MPRE was difficult are the same people who can't figure out how to post their comments only once?

51 -- I'm sure it's been said before, but take BarBri's MPRE Review Course -- free once you've deposited a certain amount toward your bar review course ($250 or so). You watch a four-hour video that covers most of the test, fill in the blanks of the mini-outline they give you, and receive a giant book with practice tests and more comprehensive outlines. Just fitting out the outline during the video and doing any sort of minimal review afterward, should be enough. If you're not a very good standardized test taker, doesn't hurt to take a few of the practice tests as well.

39 - you couldn't be more wrong. I work for Biglaw in NY, made law review and moot court in law school and passed both the NY and CT bar exams each on my first try and still "failed" the MPRE the first time I took it ("failed" meaning I got just a few points below the required 85 for NY which apparently is still passing in other states...go figure).

Sure, the subject of ethics is easy, however, the MPRE test is not. Just because you happened to pass with flying colors by no means makes the MPRE the standard to measure how well someone will do in the law. That would be giving this test WAY too much damn credit. It is, after all, written by the same tools who write the MBE for the Bar, and we see how much that thing applies to the practice of law. They use the same jerkoff test methods which have nothing to do with whether you studied the subject or not.

The MPRE doesn't even "test" ethics. It tests how well you can take the MPRE.

My advice for any taking the next one, don't even waste time studying or memorizing the ABA rules of professional conduct. Just take the BarBri MPRE practice exams over and over until you see what these tools want you to regurgitate on their exam.

Agree with #53/54. Take the BAR/BRI MPRE course for free and do a few practice exams. Despite some of the comments, the MPRE is not a joke (certainly not as hard as the MBE but not to be entirely blown-off either). The last thing you want to do is to end up like #50, i.e., one lousy point short (sorry #50!), and have to take the exam again.

50 - sorry to hear buddy. I can relate. Did the same thing my first time around. I called those idiots in Iowa at the NCBE and they were no help. They can't give you a copy of your exam answers. They can't tell you what questions you got wrong. Basically, they can't do squat. All they can do is recalc by hand to make sure it wasn't a computer error.

I also agree with 53 and 54. Don't think too hard about this test. People who study the rules hardcore tend to fail. Just do the practice tests.

51 - I went to bar Bri's review class which I think was on a Tuesday and then reviewed for like 2 hours with their practice tests in there books Wed and thurs night - Friday decided to go to happy hour and got a little more drunk than intended - scored a 110

51 - I went to bar Bri's review class which I think was on a Tuesday and then reviewed for like 2 hours with their practice tests in there books Wed and thurs night - Friday decided to go to happy hour and got a little more drunk than intended - scored a 110

I went to the driving range to work on my irons game and shot a 90

News Flash: You are not smart just because you barely studied for the MPRE and managed to pass. While your knowledge of how obscure ethical issues are properly resolved is to be congratulated (not really, though), it does not make you an intelligent person.

Bragging that you passed the MPRE with minimal effort, on the other hand, does make you a huge douche pump.

Full disclosure: when it cam time for me to take the MPRE back in the day, I was told (or perhaps otherwise allowd myself to believe) that virtually no preparation was required. Firmly adhering to the advise of my presumably wiser and more experienced forbears, I took that advice, and basically did nothing to prepare other than quickly reading through the BarBri book. The result: a smooth 77, three points shy of passing.

The second time 'round, I took it more seriously (duh), and spent about a day and a half just firing through the practice tests. Result: 141.

The lesson: as with any standardized test, the key to the MPRE is not how well you know the subject matter (or how smart you think you are), but how good you are at taking the MPRE. Period.

60: defensive much?

Barbri has the program you can download called "StudySmart." Unlike the other MPRE features BarBri offers (like the lecture), you don't have to pay an additional deposit for "StudySmart." This is really all the material you need to pass-- an outline and about 200 practice questions. Good luck!

If what I studied for the MPRE is true, then how did that lawyer from the Wire get to be such a part of the Barksdale business?

63 is the winner. I got a 113 as well, it seems like that's the magic number on this thing

BarBri's studysmart is actually pretty good. I used that and the rules, and passed easily

I got a 139 and I didn't even take professional responsibility (I did the PR paper option instead)

51, I didn't even take PR in law school and I passed with a 139 by reading both the long and short barbri mpre outlines, and by doing the 4 practice tests. They also have a lecture you can listen to.

It comes with your bar course.

51, I didn't even take PR in law school and I passed with a 139 by reading both the long and short barbri mpre outlines, and by doing the 4 practice tests. They also have a lecture you can listen to.

It comes with your bar course.

I took the one-day bar bri course and read the condensed outline. I felt as though I was guessing on every question, but I ended up with a 124. swoo. let's hope for the same result on the bar exam.

9 is correct.

Also, I passed 8/8/08 MPRE....

"Count the Kittens in the basket"
A. 0
B. 4
C. 2 million
D. Tom Brady

51--dyslexic test taker back again--i understand your anxiety. i'm waiting for bar results and am nervous! but if i learned anything between the two times i took the mpre--august and in 2005, it is that intuition helps a lot. since 2005, i've actually opened up the rules of court in my state and had to apply the ethics rules during tasks in my clerkship. i also had the mpre barbri book that everyone is talking about--the one with the fill in the blanks. there's usually a few on ebay for as little as 99 cents each. that book made a difference so much--the first time (76) i didn't even open it. i had it, but i thought my professional responsibility class would be enough. it REALLY wasn't. i learn a lot more from hearing things since sometimes it takes me a long time to read, but the PR class didn't prepare me for the TEST ITSELF.

my most sincere advice is to sit down and ACTUALLY skim, if not read, the relevant part of your state rulebook. in ky, the rules of the supreme court are in the middle of the west ky rulebook. then, get on ebay and buy a cheap copy of the mpre book from barbri. if you don't have time, at least skim the things barbri hits hard. then do a few practice questions to make sure you aren't working too slowly. if you have time, do some more questions.

when you get to test day, have a cocktail with lunch, chill out (this really isn't that hard--if i can do it, you can) then when you read the question, just think of the rule or barbri example. if you can't think of the rule, go with your intuition and move on. don't obsess over the questions. the first time, i obsessed and got a 76. the second time, i just relaxed and got a 106.

best of luck to you!

I just got my MPRE score today and I'm happy to report that I passed the test
with a scaled score of 80, the minimum needed to pass in Fla. Even though, I just made it
passed the finish line, I feel great b/c that's one more thing under my belt that I don't
have to waste another semester doing. What makes this even more sweet was the fact that
my school totally discouraged us from taking the MPRE before we finished our Pro Rep
class. One of the assistant deans even told us that they won't provide us with the free
materials b/c they don't want us to bring down the school's passage rate and score. She
also said that we wouldn't know enough info by then that we would be totally lost. Well, I
guessed I proved her wrong! Kinda shows how pointless class and school is altogether
doesn't it? Now, I feel like I have great momentum going into my Pro Rep final on Thurs
morning. It would've been a real Debbie Downer to have failed the MPRE right before the
test! Anyways, I hope this is a sign of more good things to come especially with my final
grades. I hope everyone else kicked ass on their MPREs as well.

I just got my MPRE score today and I'm happy to report that I passed the test
with a scaled score of 80, the minimum needed to pass in Fla. Even though, I just made it
passed the finish line, I feel great b/c that's one more thing under my belt that I don't
have to waste another semester doing. What makes this even more sweet was the fact that
my school totally discouraged us from taking the MPRE before we finished our Pro Rep
class. One of the assistant deans even told us that they won't provide us with the free
materials b/c they don't want us to bring down the school's passage rate and score. She
also said that we wouldn't know enough info by then that we would be totally lost. Well, I
guessed I proved her wrong! Kinda shows how pointless class and school is altogether
doesn't it? Now, I feel like I have great momentum going into my Pro Rep final on Thurs
morning. It would've been a real Debbie Downer to have failed the MPRE right before the
test! Anyways, I hope this is a sign of more good things to come especially with my final
grades. I hope everyone else kicked ass on their MPREs as well.

I just got my MPRE score today and I'm happy to report that I passed the test
with a scaled score of 80, the minimum needed to pass in Fla. Even though, I just made it
passed the finish line, I feel great b/c that's one more thing under my belt that I don't
have to waste another semester doing. What makes this even more sweet was the fact that
my school totally discouraged us from taking the MPRE before we finished our Pro Rep
class. One of the assistant deans even told us that they won't provide us with the free
materials b/c they don't want us to bring down the school's passage rate and score. She
also said that we wouldn't know enough info by then that we would be totally lost. Well, I
guessed I proved her wrong! Kinda shows how pointless class and school is altogether
doesn't it? Now, I feel like I have great momentum going into my Pro Rep final on Thurs
morning. It would've been a real Debbie Downer to have failed the MPRE right before the
test! Anyways, I hope this is a sign of more good things to come especially with my final
grades. I hope everyone else kicked ass on their MPREs as well.

It's "past" the finish line. No wonder you almost failed. FL for the epic fail.