While Wall Street Collapses, Mumbai Picks Up The Scraps
We reported last month that the ABA made it easier for law firms to outsource legal work. But as many commenters pointed out, there would need to be a reason for firms to do that and risk a reputation hit.
Perhaps the market crisis has given firms the perfect opening to begin using low cost legal workers outside the United States.
The Hindu Business Line reports that India is “lawyering-up”:
At a time when the off-shoring industry is plagued with instances of employee lay-offs, companies providing legal process outsourcing (LPO) services are on a hiring spree as demand for litigation services from the US rises.In the next six months to a year, several LPOs have plans to at least double headcount in order to cater to the increased work flow resulting from the recent turmoil in the US that has seen several financial institutions collapse.
The Wall Street crisis has resulted in increased litigation related to bankruptcy, mergers & acquisitions and other related aspects.
We’ve said before that the first front of this outsourcing battle would be fought over document intensive litigation, when clients demanded the lowest possible costs. Does that sound like a bankruptcy proceeding to anybody?
Indian businesspeople watch CNBC too:
For US companies and law firms, the pressure to put a throttle on costs is immense. By outsourcing to Indian vendors, companies can save about 70 per cent in costs vis-À-vis law firms in America.
After the jump, how Indian firms save 70 cents on the dollar.
The ability of Indian firms to pour an intense amount of low cost labor into the effort is the 800lbs gorilla (or elephant, if you prefer) in the room:
Another legal outsourcing firm, UnitedLex Corporation, has plans to more than treble its headcount to 1000 by the end of the current fiscal, according to the company’s Chief Solutions Officer, Mr Ajay Agrawal.“These additions are essential owing to the quantum of work that we have just been awarded. About 75 per cent of our overall employee base will consist of legal and para-legal professionals,” said Mr Agrawal
Demand side constraints are few as India produces around 80,000 law graduates every year. The Chicago headquartered Mindrest plans to have about 700 lawyers on board by this year-end from 450 currently, according to Mr Rohan Dalal, Managing Director. “You may have demand for your services but if you do not have enough people on board, it does not really translate into anything. We are convinced of the long-term sustainability of our business model and hence are bullish on hiring,” Mr Dalal added.
Holy Shiva.
For those playing along at home: the financial services market has collapsed, law firms are folding, and there is seemingly an entire country coming to take your job.
On the bright side … “He had reached an age where death no longer has the quality of ghastly surprise, and when he looked around him now for the first time and saw the height and splendor of the hall and the great rooms opening out from it into other rooms, his grief began to be mixed with an awed pride.”
US meltdown prompts LPOs to step up hiring [The Hindu Business Line]




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let the xenophobic comments begin
i just spent an hour talking to tech support in banagalore. let's just say i'm not too worried that discriminating clients will be moving their legal work there anytime soon.
India to $1.80!
no chance this has a significant impact
Shouldn't ATL be reporting on the Hexion v. Huntsman case decided yesterday? This is huge news for the M&A/Corp. Fin legal world.
Why would anyone want to outsource when the the legal employment market is already saturated in the US. Top firms would never be willing to take the reputation hit, and TTT firms already have people begging to do document review work for $20 an hour.
Maybe GULC could outsource the part-time program to India? Nah, not worth it.
6, yes, but how deep will the impact be?
If India wants to truly be a global power, it should be focusing on reforming its own laws and ensuring equal justice domestically, not begging for table scraps from Wall Street. 80000 law graduates a year? The Chinese can probably match that, and underbid in a price war too.
Katie Couric: Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Gov. Sarah Palin: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
Sarah Palin = Miss South Carolina = Retard
Moderator:
"Why can't americans locate the US on a map?"
Sarah Palin:
"I personally believe... that U.S. Americans are unable to do so... because...
"Uh... some people out there in our nation don't have maps...
"And... uh... I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and... uh... the Iraq, everywhere, like, such as...
"And I believe that they should...
"Our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S... uh...
"Or, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries...
"So we will be able to build up our future... for our [children]."
"For US companies and law firms, the pressure to put a throttle on costs is immense."
Eh, don't you mean put a "bottle" on costs?
This is really meaningless bullshit.
(1) Have you ever dealt with Capital One's new India-based customer support?
(2) The American market is already flooded with JDs, who are nearly all native English speakers and who are willing to do doc review for shit wages.
I am a single mom/lawyer from rural PA. I do not believe that Obama could understand what is important to me and so many others in this area. Neither do I believe that McCain can. Palin, I think, can. She is a mother of a teenager as well as the mother of a child with a disability. She is not "prissy, prim or proper" - she is down to earth. She can hunt and fish just like we do here (yes - that's how we put food on the table).
She may not be a great debater or a great speaker. She has to hone those skills. There are a lot of things that we have to be taught. She is no different but she is a smart woman and will do great things. Don't under-estimate her.
16, you are either (1) bad flame or (2) the scary truth rearing its ugly head.
To the rural PA single mom:
But I've always actually been overestimating Gov. Palin, just as I've apparently always been overestimating the people of rural PA.
Whether or not Palin has a teenage daughter and a young child and is "exactly like you" has nothing whatsoever to do with how she will govern the entire United States. I'm ashamed for you and everyone like you if that's how you choose your leaders.
@16: Respect to your comments, but could you imagine her in front of Putin or Ahmadinejad? They would tear her apart. Also, you do realize that she will do serious damage to women't rights if she becomes president. She may be common, but she's not presidential. And I grew up in a part of the world where people hunt and fish all the time, but I don't think that makes them qualified for presidency.
You go, girl @16!
Thank you, 5.
I IZ OVERSEES, REVIEWING UR DATA ROOM AND GETING KURRY FROM SEEMLES WEB.
- lolindian ,esq.
16, I think we all know what is important to lawyers in rural PA: (1) Lancaster County to $18k and (2) little perks like buggy rides home after 7.
16 is clearly a flame.
Also, thank you ABA! I knew you were always looking out for my best interests! Just like the government!
Also, this whole doc review in India thing should provide creative lawyers with lots of motions against the opposition who tries to use it. Not saying they'll be good ones, but that's not really the point, is it?
Hunting and fishing are a quaint throwback enjoyed by rural folk and people on vacation. A nation of 300 mil+ survives on agribusiness, not a pioneer lifestyle.
In short, nobody really cares about or needs leadership from people who see only parochial concerns. With all due respect to the people who live in such areas and under such a lifestyle, their skills and productivity are central to our nation but do nothing to make us successful or competitive in a modern, globalized world.
The world is now full of highly educated, intelligent, competitive people. If we fail to elect leaders with those same qualities we are inviting ourselves to be gradually overtaken by financiers, scientists, and industrialists from second- and third-world countries who are eager to compete and capable of doing so.
Sticking head in sand = TTT
I'll bet I'm the first one laid off. Just the thought of having to go to the state unemployment office and stand in line with those SCUMBAGS!
So is that what happened to ATL? It got outsourced and Elie is actually in India?
is loyola 2L still looking for work? this could be it.
well done 26. i love the office space quote.
The difference between outsourcing customer service and legal work is that, with customer service people aren't likely to leave one company for another simply because the Indian on the other line can't speak English (though we will yell at him, "Learn to speak fucking English!"); however, as soon as one of the outsourcing groups misses a key document, or even miskeys a somewhat important document, and that mistake costs a client a significant amount of money, game over.
Also, fuck India. Cricket is a stupid game and those fuckers need to LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH!!!
And now I see the opening for Texas firms. Hire Mexicans for document review. Game. Blouses.
I'm an associate. And I hate myself ... for it.
Lancaster County to 5 donkeys, 6 horses, 100 head of cattle, and 3 shoo fly pies
30--- titcr. This shit isn't customer service. These are cases that might turn on one critical document. I call bullshit. There's no way in hell my firm would outsource any doc review to India. Hell, when we have doc review on high dollar cases, I've even seen some of our partners pitch in.
Lancaster County to electricity.
I'm voting for me for President! I'm just like me!
Wow 12, I thought SNL was exaggerating in their skit as I hadn't seen the Katie Couric interview. Obviously not by much.
Elie -- perhaps more appropriate to the thread --
I see now that this has been a story of the West, after all-- [we] were all Westerners, and perhaps we possessed some deficiency in common which made us subtly unadaptable to Eastern life.
7 - I agree!
ATL = TTT
16 and others like her might find the history of the Russian Revolution of 1917 to be instructive. The people, fed up with their aristocratic leadership, decided to put "people like us" in power. Result? 70-odd years of corruption, dictatorship, labor camps, murders, and all sorts of other lovely things. The country has never recovered, and I doubt that it ever will.
I don't want the leader of my country to be "people like me" (never mind that I am significantly more qualified for the job than Palin is). I want that leader to be someone who can actually lead. Someone who knows more about international affairs than "I can see Russia from my house!" Someone who has more of an education than a barely-completed bachelor's degree. Someone who can actually think about national and international policy and make decisions based on logic rather than religious ideology. And, of course, someone who can run a small town or a state without wrecking its economy and enraging its citizens.
40 Posted by guest | Permalink
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:09 PM
16 and others like her might find the history of the Russian Revolution of 1917 to be instructive. The people, fed up with their aristocratic leadership, decided to put "people like us" in power.
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Lenin and Trotsky were Russian peasants? I think it might be you who would find the history of the Russian Revolution of 1917 to be instructive, 40.
That's a nice thought #40, but none of the candidates, either presidential or vice presidential, come even close to that. Not the geriatric and definitely not the "change" shouting pompous windbag. Is it too late to call for a mulligan on our nominations?
25 - Well said.
Outsourced document review does make sense in certain cases. Document review is definitely the most expensive component of the process of producing documents.
I've found the work of Indian lawyers to be of high quality.
Although I wouldn't trust them with my most relevant documents, I think there's some utility in their services to reduce the high cost of document review.
That said, if I can find US lawyers to do it for the same cost, I would have the work done here.
"the history of the Russian Revolution of 1917 to be instructive. The people, fed up with their aristocratic leadership, decided to put "people like us" in power. Result? 70-odd years of corruption, dictatorship, labor camps, murders, and all sorts of other lovely things. The country has never recovered, and I doubt that it ever will."
Well, when you put socialists in office, you get what you deserve.
the history of the Russian Revolution of 1917 to be instructive. The people, fed up with their aristocratic leadership, decided to put "people like us" in power. Result? 70-odd years of corruption, dictatorship, labor camps, murders, and all sorts of other lovely things. The country has never recovered, and I doubt that it ever will.
Socialists = TTT
The Russian Revolution of 1917 occurred because overeducated intellectuals who thought they could actually lead, and who thought they knew international affairs, more than the elected Kerensky government, decided to put like-minded people in charge.
But let's pretend that the Russian peasants' "people like us" were actually exiled lawyers who spoke six languages (Lenin).
47 - oh, the reality of course wasn't that the leaders were "people like us" - but this was the rhetoric, and lots of people fell for it. In particular, it was the lower middle class that fell for it - the idea that finally, the leaders in power will be "people like them". One of the popular propaganda slogans of the time was "Those who were nothing will become everything!" I'm seeing the same dynamic in people's reaction to Sarah Palin (even though the kind of life she has had is anything but middle class), and it frankly scares me.
I was at a moot court competition last year and had to argue against an Indian team. Let's just say I am not too worried about my job. Also, just wait until one huge F-up happens because of cheap doc review or the like...clients will realize that paying pennies up front to US law firms saves dollars in the long run.
@ 7 - Thanks for being pretentious. Oooh look at me I have RSS feeds for every court.
I was at a moot court competition at AU last year and had to argue against another AU team. Let's just say I am not too worried about my job. Also, just wait until one huge F-up happens because of cheap doc review or the like...clients will realize that paying pennies up front to US law firms saves dollars in the long run.
Seyfarth is ALREADY using Indian attorneys for first draft summary judgment motions in single plaintiff employment cases.
http://unemployedonwallstreet.blogspot.com/
This is a great idea.....
....until the mother of all malpractice suits hits.....
....and the plaintiff's lawyers let the jury hear that the groundwork was done in India....
...and malpractice insurance thereafter skyrockets for firms that outsource.....
...and outsourcing firms realize they can't afford outsourcing anymore...
...but they haven't hired or trained a legitimate junior associate in a decade.....
....and then those firms go the way of Heller.
So, I guess, it remains a great idea. It'll eventually thin the ranks, though not how partners intended.
I approve of this only to the extent that first-year female associates are assigned to monitor the project in India, and break heads/summarily terminate Indian doc reviewers.
Indian males are the most racist and sexist people I have ever met, and I've done business with the Japanese.
For those determined to make racist remarks, remember your IP addresses are stored and some day you might be outed like AK47