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The Voracious Wolverine

wolverine in the wilderness.jpgMichigan people, I feel your pain. The seven fumble loss to “The School That God Built, Then Abandoned” was terrible. You guys are trying to enjoy these last days of summer before the arctic wind sends you into underground bunkers. And clearly, you can’t lend out a cell phone/ask for your cell phone back without getting dragged into a heated exchange that is mocked by all.

I understand how in that environment petty slights can turn into glorious insults. You demand satisfaction! But you justice seekers might want to turn somewhere other than the University of Michigan’s law school list-serv. The following email was sent by a 1L who has been on campus for approximately 11 minutes and 6 seconds:

Dear Student Body,

Whoever the SLEAZE is who likes taking people’s lunches (in particular, 1/2’s of subway sandwiches bought on one day and saved for the next) from the refrigerator in the student lounge, STOP. In case you aren’t aware, it’s stealing. Perhaps you’re practicing for a career in corporate law, but law school isn’t the place to practice this particular skill. Also, in case you aren’t aware, here are a few reasons not to do this:

1) Stealing lunches erodes collegiality among the student body.

2) Stealing lunches inconveniences the person from whom you steal by forcing them to go get lunch elsewhere, thereby wasting time and resources.

3) Stealing lunches can cause an additional inconvenience with having to buy lunch elsewhere. For most of us, the couple dollar loss isn’t really the issue, but imagine not having your wallet with you on a day when someone has stolen your lunch? You must either do without or seek out somebody to borrow from, both of which are annoying.

If you’re really so poor you can’t afford lunch, the law school will provide you with an emergency loan. If you’re just a sleaze, either take an ethics class or come talk to me.

Well allow me to retort.

1) I once got robbed and to make myself feel better, I called it “sharing” instead of “stealing.”

2) Isn’t forcing someone to get their lunch somewhere other than Subway kind of a good thing?

3) Not having your wallet? The only guys I know that don’t carry around their wallet whenever they leave the house are super rich or homeless. Which one are you?

The rest of the maize and blue electronically punch this guy after the jump.

Some students had sympathy for the hungry 1L:

I totally agree with the sentiment but just want to add that we should all be aware that it is not just law students who have access to the student lounge. During the day it is open to practically anyone off the street.

I guess the optimistic side of me hopes no one in the student body would intentionally takes another person’s sandwich.

When I lived on the street I would often steal into local law schools looking for half-eaten lunches.

Michgan security device.JPGAnother student simply linked to this marvelous invention that magically changes your law school leftovers into your college leftovers.

But one student really turned on some famed Midwestern charm to definitively address the issue:

Hi [Redacted],

First and foremost, i’m sorry to hear that you lost your subway sandwiches. i don’t think anybody likes it when something is taken from them. i may be wrong about that, but i’m pretty sure.

However, i don’t think that the lsorgevents listserv is the proper forum to voice this issue (barring permission from someone to use it). i don’t know the circumstances that surround this issue, meaning whether other people’s lunches have been taken, whether it’s just yours and it’s happened on multiple occasions, or whether this is the first time this has happened. Whatever the circumstance may be, if you feel that you need to voice your concerns about this matter, there are other forums available to you, such as lawopen. Lawopen is always happy to listen to your, as well as everyone’s, thoughts.

i say this [Redacted], because i feel that the student body is very much aware that stealing is wrong. Again, i may be wrong, but i’m almost positive that i’m not. So i feel that a lecture (for lack of a better term) on stealing is not necessary, and maybe inappropriate. i say inappropriate because in informing us on stealing, you appear to bad mouth those going into corporate. Or rather, you appear to shine the corporate sector in a negative light. This is probably not a good idea, considering that you have peers who are, or will be going into the corporate sector. Now, i am personally not one of those, but there are some out there. And i believe that it would probably not be a good idea to infer that those entering the corporate setting are more likely to steal lunches from the fridge. It’s just my guess.

Also, if you are worried about the collegial environment of our school (i assume so as it was listed as your #1 reason), then i can assure you that you have nothing to fear. During my time here at MLS, i have always found everyone to be on the same page, regarding this matter. i have yet to meet someone who “jeopardize” this matter. In fact, it seems everyone i meet only enhances our collegial environment. It’s probably one of many reasons we distinguish ourselves from other law schools. i know that if my lunch was stolen, i could rely on a lot of people (not just my close friends) to help me out without asking for a favor in return. But this is just my experience.

Again [Redacted], i’m truly sorry that you lost your sandwiches. If this happens again, i’d notify our deans of the problem. They would provide a remedy to the situation. Also, if it happens again, i wouldn’t mind spotting you for lunch. FYI, subway is one of my favorite restaurants.

All the best,

Even though there is no game this weekend, I’ll be happy to workshop additional ways to achieve better fridge security with all the Michigan Law alums at Professor Thom’s this weekend.

Comments

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:11 PM

pretzels

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:12 PM

WTF does this story have to do with anything that anyone might care about?

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:12 PM

I feel bad for Elie, he's trying so hard but this is horrible...and second!

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:12 PM

wtf kind of post is this?

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:13 PM

Jesus Christ.

This is why you don't leave food anywhere that's accessible by the general bloody public. What did you expect? Things go missing.

Bitching about it on the listserv is just.... wow.

Also, who uses listservs anymore?

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:17 PM

The victim should have said nothing and put a half-eaten sandwich with a turd in it in the fridge. That would teach the perpetrator a lesson.

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:18 PM

Spectacular response...LOVE...these kinds of posts. Keep 'em coming ATL.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:19 PM

I hope this idiot's name get splattered all over the web and for the rest of his life when someone Google's his name this email will come up. Some people never learn.

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:19 PM

AWESOME Sam L. Jackson reference

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:21 PM

6: Actually, loading the sandwich up with habanero peppers and leaving it as bait would probably be better, on the revenge front.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:21 PM

That second email was obviously written by MysTTTal himself, with its liberal use of incorrect grammar and punctuation (admittedly somewhat acceptable on an email listserve as opposed to, oh, I don't know -- ATL POSTS) and its incorrect usage of "infer" instead of "imply" (never acceptable, except, apparently, on ESPN, where I'm convinced the talking heads reverse "infer" and "imply" intentionally just to leave me quietly simmering while I wait for my Boca Burgers to finish cooking).

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:21 PM

I'm unclear. My Corporations class did not cover stealing food from the fridge. Did I skip that day?

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:22 PM

#7 = Elie

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:22 PM

Is it that difficult to find someone who can string words together into a coherent sentence?

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:23 PM

Haha. Agree with #9

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:23 PM

"I hope this idiot's name get splattered all over the web and for the rest of his life."

I don't think the victim is a dude.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:24 PM

No wonder my beloved UM Law slipped in the rankings this year. To think that I had been blaming it on US News' flawed methodology all these months!

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:24 PM

guys at my high school - uh forget it.

hey mystel wtf is this!?!

ATL - to the dogs!

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:25 PM

Oh, the victim is most certainly a "dude."

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:25 PM

WTF? does lending a cell phone have to do with Michigan?

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:28 PM

10 prefers turd over habenero.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:28 PM

16: Generic "he".

- 8

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:28 PM

Surely this isn't the best material available in the legal universe today. Elie: Quit now, please.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:29 PM

"WTF? does lending a cell phone have to do with Michigan?"

Why don't you click on the "lend out" link and figure it out, you lazy bitch.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:29 PM

Yes, yes, yes! I'd been wondering when all the sandwich-stealing stories were going to start rolling in again this year! This one might have been the best yet, but that utterly brutal retort really left a sour taste in my mouth. He/She slam-dunked him on the collegiality issue. Yikes!

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:30 PM

I hate everyone involved, including Elie.

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:30 PM

I agree with #6. Some of the foreign students are animals -- they honestly don't know there is something wrong with taking someone's half-eaten sandwich that's been slobbered all over. I think law schools and b-schools should provide an etiquette class to teach the animals how to be human. Barring that, the animals should learn the lesson the hard way -- with turds.

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:30 PM

State schools...

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:32 PM

The big problem here was that the retard posted to the listserv reserved for event and, sort of ironically, lunch announcements.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:32 PM

a friend of mine in law school had a problem with people stealing her lunches, so she made a few sandwiches with dog food and a lettuce leaf. sure enough, they were stolen. the next day, she hung a sign on the fridge explaining the contents of the previous day's sandwich. that stopped the thefts.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:32 PM

"When I lived on the street I would often steal into local law schools looking for half-eaten lunches."


??????????????????????????????????

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:33 PM

The big problem here was that the retard posted to the listserv reserved for event and, sort of ironically, lunch announcements.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:33 PM

19 = new 1L, who just started reading this.

cell phone thing - was a story blogged about herein back in the day when this blog was worth reading!

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:34 PM

Guys at my high school used to steal half of Subway sandwiches all the time. It was no big deal.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:36 PM

Also, not necessarily even a waste of time and resources. Just a redistribution thereof.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:37 PM

So if I am not missing something:

1. Someone ate a 1L's sandwich, perhaps more than once.

2. The 1L sent an annoying email about this to the listserv

3. One person responded, saying it might not be a student.

4. Another person replied generally sympathizing, but questioning the wisdom of using the listserv.

5. Elie Mystal posted the emails as an article on ATL.

Please vote on which of the above is the the dumbest.

I say 5, by a mile.

People, that sucking sound hear is ATL, sucking.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:38 PM

Elie's posts suck.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:39 PM

"Perhaps you're practicing for a career in corporate law, but law school isn't the place to practice this particular skill."

I bet this is the same miserable douche bag who takes every soft-serve constitutional class hoping to one day be an ACLU lawyer (but ends up doing doc review/insurance defense).

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:40 PM

Is the person who sent this email the Indian, uh... female?

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:41 PM

The final "reply" was the worst of all. This is nothing like the great e-mail exchanges of yore: "Thank you for your interest in the washing machine," "bla bla bla," and "Oh, snap."

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:42 PM

. . .that sucking sound [you] hear . . .

dammit.

-36

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:43 PM

Any word on whether the poster complaining about missing sandwiches was a minority? They seem to get touchy over minor slights, and not have the social awareness to keep it to themselves.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:44 PM

We've been having similar problems at Cardozo, except that instead of sandwiches it laptops. We've had something like 10 swiped from the library in the last two years, including three this semester.

I'd like to think there's a special place in hell for law students (or LLMs) who such a thing. Until then, I'm planning a stakeout involving myself, a bait laptop in a study room, and a baseball bat. I'd advise the Michigan student to do the same.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:46 PM

8 - Are you referring to Elie?

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:46 PM

43: Michigan students don't need to steal laptops. HTH.

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:49 PM

Why does the bar Elie references (Thoms) have pictures of cross-dressing mails in the Gallery section. Just saying.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:50 PM

Cardozo = TTT. Color me suprised you can afford laptops to begin with.

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:51 PM

Ellie's bar is weird.

http://www.professorthoms.com/professorthoms.html

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:51 PM

this is better than the political BS.

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:53 PM

The sad thing is Cardozo students don't need to steal laptops either.

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:54 PM

I know the person who sent the email. He's a douchebag.

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:57 PM

Am I supposed to care about this? Really?

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:57 PM

51 - he is definitely an 1L, right?

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:58 PM

I'm the one who stole the sandwiches. And I'm not going to stop!!! hahahah

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:58 PM

How can people keep posting comments to this absurd waste of time post... hmm wait a minute... anyway, to [redacted] take your bleeping sandwich, crush up some of those anti constipation pills, and put them in there. Then put it back in the fridge. Then, aside from making sure you yourself don't eat the sandwich by marking it in some way, sit back and laugh when it disappears again. and STOP BITCHING!

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59 PM

This is so bad...and the lame ass Samuel L. Jackson reference..."allow me to retort" is so poorly used. Mystal you just can't get it right! Dude, just give up and disappear.

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59 PM

I just ate some scrumptious subway at my desk...it was oh so yummy. Also, they have unlimited Dr. Pepper....which should flow from the faucets instead of water. Then everybody would be happy.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:01 PM

This is so bad...and the lame ass Samuel L. Jackson reference..."allow me to retort" is so poorly used. Mystal you just can't get it right! Dude, just give up and disappear.

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:01 PM

44 -- well played, sir.

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:02 PM

Professor Thom's has some of the best wings in NYC.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:03 PM

This blog has become a turd sandwich.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:05 PM

Too long. didn't read

no more eat of turd sandwich.

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:06 PM

"When I lived on the street I would often steal into local law schools looking for half-eaten lunches. "

Good Lord, when did President Bush become the editor of ATL? How many more of these "Elieisms" do we have to put up with?

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:07 PM

Professor Thom's has some of the best wings in NYC.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:14 PM

53 - He is most assuredly a 2L. NOT a 1L. Don't blame us.

-A Michigan 1L

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:14 PM

I voted for Marin!

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:15 PM

I'll pay $2.50 (the cost of half a subway special) to make this story go away.

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:15 PM

I'll pay $2.50 (the cost of half a subway special) to make this story go away.

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:17 PM

You could just put a turd back into the original sandwich that the guy keeps leaving and that would teach him a lesson. I know the 1L who did this, not a minority and not a female. What an embarrasment...tsk tsk.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:19 PM

Michigan State sounds like a great place to go to school . . .

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:19 PM

I took your lunch, sue me.

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:21 PM

71 - they list themselves as class of 2010 on facebook. This seems like a 2L to me, no?

-66

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:22 PM

Relative quality of ATL contributors:

1. David Lat.
2. Kash.
3. Laurie Lin
4. Billy Merck.
5. Marc Edelman.
6. Hope Winters.
7. "Asia Corporate Lawyers"
8. Frolick & Detour.
9. Marin.
10. SEN.
11. Elie Mystal.

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:23 PM

Relative quality of ATL contributors:

1. David Lat.
2. Kash.
3. Laurie Lin
4. Billy Merck.
5. Marc Edelman.
6. Hope Winters.
7. "Asia Corporate Lawyers"
8. Frolick & Detour.
9. Marin.
10. SEN.
11. Elie Mystal.

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:25 PM

My mistake. This guy just doesn't know how to use his facebook page. He is indeed a 1L.

-66

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:26 PM

Elie,
If you're going to post crap like this, you should expect people to criticize it. Be more mature and take it like a man instead of deleting every post that says anything negative about you.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:36 PM

Test

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:36 PM

The Rock.

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79 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:42 PM

I love law student craziness.

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:42 PM

I thought this story was entertaining, leave Elie alone.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:49 PM

69 - i agree without even knowing who this is. its definitely a guy, if you know what i mean!

also 74 is correct even sen was better (well on second thought...)

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:53 PM

First.

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 1:55 PM

Can someone please tell me if the fridge in the U of M student lounge has a sign on the front that states "This refrigerator will be cleaned out each Thursday evening"? I'm willing to bet that there is such a sign and that the lunches have consistently been "stolen" on Fridays.

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:00 PM

waaaahhhhh!!! waaaaahhhhhh!!! i'm here to bitch about funny posts! waaaaahhhhh!!!! cocksuckers

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:06 PM

I stole the sandwich because I am Cravath material and I am entitled to such.

Sincerely,

Cravath Material

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:06 PM

hate to break it to you 43, but it ain't students stealing those laptops.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:10 PM

Great story, hilarious. Michigan is tumbling off its high-horse on atl

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:11 PM

Seriously though, no one can resist the siren's call of the Subway jingle, lett alone a sTTTate schooler willing to risk potential turd consumption.

"Five Dolla ....
Five Dolla, Foot Looooong."

I blame Jared and his hippo pants.
Damn him, damn him straight to hell!

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:15 PM

JUST HEARD THAT DLA PIPER IS RAISING TO 190K.

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:15 PM

how many "food stealing" posts have there been in the last month? food stealing at law firms. food stealing at law schools. food stealing in judge's chambers. sigh. you should get a separate tag for this subject.

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:21 PM

these are so dumb. no one wants anyone else's half eaten leftovers, people, sometimes custodians, throw out old shit cause it's garbage. put a note on it with the date and no one will touch it.

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:28 PM

hate to break it to you 43, but it ain't students stealing those laptops.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:33 PM

Wow... ATL's really trolling for shit these days...

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:34 PM

Ellie, enough with the Michigan barbs. You're not winning any of us over.

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:34 PM

92, I'll take that as a good sign, at least

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:35 PM

1L at the U. of M. here.

I'd like to say he didn't even send it to "lawopen", the listserv for whining like the cell phone. He sent it to the "lsorgevents" list that most people don't filter because it's to be used exclusively by student organizations broadcasting their upcoming events. He was even threatened with removal from lsorgevents.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 2:39 PM

96:

regardless, why do I care? why is a mis-posting to a listserv ATL newsworthy?

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:10 PM

73: You left someone off.

1. David Lat.
2. Kash.
3. Laurie Lin
4. Billy Merck.
5. Marc Edelman.
6. Hope Winters.
7. "Asia Corporate Lawyers"
8. Frolick & Detour.
9. Marin.
10. SEN.
11. Frat Stud.
12. Elie Mystal.

Cadwalader to BMT!

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99 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:10 PM

73/74 = subtle hope winters troll

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100 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:13 PM

Dude, I wouldn't mess with this guy who posted. He, like had the #1 deck at the "Magic the Gathering" 2008 city champs in Detroit. Don't make him break out the "Scion of Oona" on you!

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101 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:15 PM

Dude, I wouldn't mess with the guy who posted, I would NEVER take his sandwich! He, like had the #1 deck at the "Magic the Gathering" 2008 city champs in Detroit. Don't make him break out the "Scion of Oona" on you!

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:15 PM

Who thinks that Kash is doable?

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103 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:15 PM

91: I can pretty much guarantee you that NO ONE cleans THAT fridge out. Law School Senate is supposed to, but it never happens. So at least one person out there likes eating half eaten sandwiches.

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104 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:33 PM

As Elie posts go, this wasn't that bad. There were no hacky partisan political jokes, there was no gross misunderstanding of statistics, there was no ill-fated attempt at broad social commentary, he didn't accuse large swaths of society of racism or sexism, and his spelling and grammatical errors weren't glaring. And the topic sorta passes for legal gossip.

No, it's not good or interesting legal gossip, and not terribly funny - but baby steps, baby steps....

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105 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:46 PM

1. Roger Lou
2. David Lat.
3. Kash.
4. Laurie Lin
5. Billy Merck.
6. Marc Edelman.
7. Hope Winters.
8. "Asia Corporate Lawyers"
9. Frolick & Detour.
10. Marin.
11. SEN.
12. Elie Mystal.

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106 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:46 PM

It seems that every year some 1L sends a rant out about stolen sandwiches (happened at my lawschool, too). Someone should have included the "do not post to lawschool listservs" on the 1L advice thread.

The response after the jump was terrific. Gets the point across, but with some good ole midwestern charm. Nicely done.

Ps. Elie, I also rationalize my things being stolen as sharing with someone who desperately, desperately needed them. It may not be true, but it makes me feel a lot better, too. :)

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:47 PM

Unlike 104, i've decided to jump on the Elie sucks bandwagon. I tried to stay off it. give him a shot. but the bandwagon's been circling me with a nuanced and intelligent exposition of the reasons that Elie sucks. The weight of the evidence was overwhelming.

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108 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 3:55 PM

It seems that every year some 1L sends a rant out about stolen sandwiches (happened at my lawschool, too). Someone should have included the "do not post to lawschool listservs" on the 1L advice thread.

The response after the jump was terrific. Gets the point across, but with some good ole midwestern charm. Nicely done.

Ps. Elie, I also rationalize my things being stolen as sharing with someone who desperately, desperately needed them. It may not be true, but it makes me feel a lot better, too. :)

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109 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:01 PM

As retarded as the original poster was, the person writing the reply is also a tool. Clearly, he thinks he is so eloquent to write such a persuasive missive, but can't be bothered to capitalize is first person pronouns. I get that emails and listservs lend themselves to a certain lack of formality, but this tool tried so hard to be formalistic and eloquent, capitalizing his sentence structure, but ending up simply unable to shed his immature - its fn 2 txt will u b my frnd - attitude, that he came off making U of M just look the worse for it. Can't wait till this student gets a real job and realizes that you have to act like a professional to be treated like one.

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110 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:03 PM

Enough ripping in Elie already. Its boring, and worse than even the original post. This post was no worse than the average Lat or Kash one.

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111 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:08 PM

102: I KNOW she is.

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112 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:10 PM

Why can't we all just get along?

The guy obviously just wants to be able to eat his lunch and go about his business efficiently. How else do you make a statement about something like this to an unknown party? This is a classic example of tragedy of the commons: if you don't regulate consumption of food stored communally, there is no communal food storage. People should have more respect for each other.

The statement about corporate law is a bit weird, but it seems more like a joke meant to spark controversy than anything.

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113 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:23 PM

70: Not-so-subtle State troll.

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114 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:39 PM

Who gives a shit about a stolen sandwich? Why does this merit a posting on ATL?

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115 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 4:43 PM

I agree with 51, this guy is a douche. Nobody likes him and he makes Michigan look bad. He once got up in class and shut all the windows because it was too loud outside...walked right in front of the professor during class. Professor just looked at him and made a comment about his sensitive ears.

-section mate of subway eater

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:04 PM

115: what section?

also:
From: Brittlynn M Hall
To: "[Unofficial Law Listserv]"
Unrelated to my formal, LSSS-duty secretarial rant, I have one question to ask the ATL e-mail forwarder: Why would you want to make a laughingstock out of the school you attend?

In case you overlooked that fact, you go here, friend. As in, you are affiliated with this school, and when ATL and a bandwagon of commentators talk smack about this school, they're talking about you by affiliation.

It's not humorous, because--believe it or not--there are actual people with actual jobs centered around fostering good PR about this school. When there are people forwarding embarrassing, curse word-filled e-mails to ATL, or e-mails denigrating poor people, it kind of goes against the grain and makes all of us look bad. So, maybe you could stop?

Thanks.

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:10 PM

110,
The only reason I come here anymore is to read the Elie-ripping comments. They're way more interesting that his poorly written posts.

Elie,
You stink. Go eat a shit sandwich. Or a habanero sandwich. Or any other kind of sandwich. The key elements are 1) you, 2) eating, and 3) a sandwich of some variety. Just do something to keep you occupied and not posting some moronic, amateurish crap here.

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:27 PM

Hi Elie,

First and foremost, i'm sorry to hear that you posted a crappy story. i don't think anybody likes it crap is posted. i may be wrong about that, but i'm pretty sure.

However, i don't think that ATL is the proper forum to voice this issue (barring permission from someone to use it). i don't know the circumstances that surround why you posted this, meaning whether you are out of stories, whether you are just dumb, or whether this is the first time this has happened. Whatever the circumstance may be, if you feel that you need to write about shit, there are other forums available to you, such as lawopen. Lawopen is always happy to listen to your, as well as everyone's, thoughts.

i say this Elie, because i feel that ATL is very much aware that stupid stories are, well, stupid. Again, i may be wrong, but i'm almost positive that i'm not. So i feel that a stupid post (for lack of a better term) on Michigan sandwiches is not necessary, and maybe inappropriate. i say inappropriate because in informing us Michigan sandwiches, you appear to show us your bad taste in picking stories. Or rather, you appear to shine ATL readers in a bitchy and ownery light. This is probably not a good idea, considering that we are bitchy and will bitch about your story. Now, i am personally not one of those bitches, but there are some out there. And i believe that it would probably not be a good idea to infer that we are not. It's just my guess.

Also, if you are worried about people ripping on you in posts (i assume so as you have deleted many posts), then i can assure you that you have nothing to fear. During my time here at ATL, i have always found everyone to be on the same page, regarding bitching. i have yet to meet someone who "jeopardize" this matter. In fact, it seems everyone's post i read only enhances our bithcy environment. It's probably one of many reasons we distinguish ourselves from other blog readers. i know that if my blog had shitty story i could rely on a lot of people (not just my close friends) to bitch me out without asking for a favor in return. But this is just my experience.

Again Elie, i'm truly sorry that you wrote a terrible story. If this happens again, you will get bitched out by ATL readers. There is no remedy to the situation. Also, if it happens again, i wouldn't mind spotting you for a real story that also sucks. FYI, subway is one of my favorite restaurants.

All the best,

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119 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:36 PM

116,

I wonder why you think it's okay to make anonymous the law school's listserv address but not the name of the individual who sent that email. There's no glory in stirring up shit nor being disrespectful of other people's privacy, but if you think there is then you should come out of your own cave instead of posting from the safety of your computer.

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120 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:38 PM

Overheard in lawopen:

"Why would you want to make a laughingstock out of the school you attend?

In case you overlooked that fact, you go here, friend. As in, you are affiliated with this school, and when ATL and a bandwagon of commentators talk smack about this school, they're talking about you by affiliation.

It's not humorous, because--believe it or not--there are actual people with actual jobs centered around fostering good PR about this school. When there are people forwarding embarrassing, curse word-filled e-mails to ATL, or e-mails denigrating poor people, it kind of goes against the grain and makes all of us look bad. So, maybe you could stop? "

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121 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:41 PM

Do you think Kash is the type of girl to go home with a guy after a night spent at the bar consuming adult beverages?

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122 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:44 PM

-121

Go home and do what? I've heard Kash plays a mean game of Yahtzee.

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123 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 5:50 PM

Some of you guys are morons. This is exactly the kind of story I want to see on ATL. It's supposed to be a tabloid.

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124 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 6:03 PM

We used to eat turd sandwiches in high school all the time. It was no big deal.

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125 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 6:05 PM

If whoever posted 38, 51 or 115, is a 1L summer starter, SHAME ON YOU!!!!! Admissions should hunt you down via your IP address and give you the wolverine maize and blue boot. Michigan engenders collegiality, and YOU DON'T FIT HERE, cause we are a community, and have each others' backs. I hope when you need some support, you get it (from a fellow summer-starter, even the Subway man himself despite your horridness), and then realize what it is like to have friends (you are far to selfish to have any though!) or people who are concerned about improving the well-being of others. Weren't you in Torts at all?? Did you miss out on the community/ virtue ethics stuff?!? :)

Your posts are not only foolishly damaging to yourself, but trite. Go read property so that you can participate in class. Go start a student group to promote something you are interested in (Maybe you can watch Real World v Road Rules and talk about how things different characters on the show do annoy you!!! wow!). Go watch T.V. on comedy central so you can be funny. Your post was ridiculously unfunny, and you just called someone out, being an enormous drama-mama.

It is worth it to chastise you publicly for making my summer start class less of a family. Take this post as a wake-up call. There is friendship to be had, a community to build, and a lot to learn. Unless you shape up, you shouldn't pass the character and fitness test! I challenge you to stand in the middle of the diag tomorrow night for a Big Ten Burrito eating contest, where I will publicly shame your inability to consume mass amounts of delicious goopy chicken deluxes.

Please wear a "treacherous dog" sign, so I know who you are.



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126 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 6:23 PM

you are quite dramatic yourself

summer starters are the people who need "extra help" getting ready for law school

you are like the GULC part time program of michigan

also i will smoke your ass in eating BTB

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127 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 6:23 PM

you are quite dramatic yourself

summer starters are the people who need "extra help" getting ready for law school

you are like the GULC part time program of michigan

also i will smoke your ass in eating BTB

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128 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 6:30 PM

I guess we'll find out! Why dont you use lawopen and send an email with your name and the time you want to eat. :) But, you don't sound like you are a summer-starter at all, which makes me soooo happy I barely care about your existence anymore. Punk.

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129 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19 PM

of course i'm not a summer starter, i was able to graduate on time and not have to throw out a PLEASE TAKE ME early decision app

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130 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 7:50 PM

Wow, thick summer starter jealousy. I'm sorry that we are on the whole a much more relaxed, experienced, group. By the way, we all get the same job opportunities, and do the same OCI, so there really is no disadvantage to starting in the summer. Except for not having a tremendous stick up one's ass, as you seem to. In closing, please transfer.

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131 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 7:54 PM

you're a bunch of nontrad scum gunner fucks from my experiences with you

enjoy not knowing what class you're really in


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132 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 8:01 PM

Thanks for proving my point, 131. Enjoy your angry life.

-130

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133 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 9:04 PM

welcome to the university of michigan high school

i am so glad i am not a summer starter because 125 and the sandwich man are awful.

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134 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, September 19, 2008 11:28 PM

What is a "summer starter"? Is that like the provisional program that some undergrad programs have for kids who need extra help to suceed in college?
I can't believe a law school has such a program. Need to start asking job candidates from Michigan about that I guess...

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135 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:08 AM

Summer start means you start law school in summer and you are able to graduate a semester ahead. Most students do so because they want to start work early. The end.

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136 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:45 AM

Friends,

This is a private matter. Please stop the infighting. The public airing of dirty laundry is for débutante's on reality TV.

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137 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:12 AM

135 is wrong. 134 is right. that's why Early Decision admits all go straight to summer start.

it's our GULC PT program. they are an embarrassment far beyond sandwich thieves.

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138 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:40 AM

The guy who sent the original email has responded to the controversy that has sprouted up here, and on the listserve. Worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

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139 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:16 PM

I got so rickrolled!

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140 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM

118. You certainly know alot about bitches. Are you a bitch master?

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141 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:13 PM

Elie, you are an idiot. Seven fumbles? There were only six total turnovers in the game. And two of those were interceptions. The math does not add up. Stick to shitty blogging. Sports and math are not for you.

You're an idiot and Michigan sucks.

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142 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:02 PM

141 - I hate you. Only because you're right that UM blows this year.

- Bitter Wolverine Undergrad

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143 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:08 AM

I can't believe I went to school with these people.,, I assure you that you don't see them around. They remain hidden in their dungeons, occassionally popping up to pose ridiculous scenarious in torts class

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144 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:23 PM

143 - entire ED pool goes to Summer. not all of summer is ED, but all of ED is summer. are you sure you weren't ED, given you didn't get that simple logic problem?

additionally, 143 is probably dustin

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145 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:26 PM

125 and 143 are so obviously the original, whiny email sender.

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146 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:28 PM

145 is incorrect. I know of numerous students, personally who were rejected from the summer session and granted a spot during the fall from early decision. In addition, three personal friends (class of 2007) applied early decision, were admitted and did not even seek to be part of the summer program.

I wonder, 145, if you were a rejected summer candidate? Your logic isn't flawed, but your factual premise is. 143, on the other hand, used evidence to state a point. I would say I hope you're not one of my classmates, but since you knew the first name of the original e-mailer sender, I'm guessing that you are.

Since you're brave enough to out the original e-mail sender, maybe you will be brave enough to put your name to your post. I doubt it. You, like so many of this generation, are truly a coward of the lowest order.

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147 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:31 PM

146: you must be kidding. The tone of 125 and 143 are so vastly different its like night and day and they are BOTH different from the original sender.

I'm sorry someone interrupted your high-horsed bashfest, but just because a few people don't think the original e-mail writer did anything wrong, does not mean that they ARE him.

I hope, for society's sake, that you seek a career other than the law if that is how your mind jumps.

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148 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:45 PM

Why is there so much WRONG information out there?

143 was mostly right EXCEPT that it IS the early decision group that goes into the summer start program. 147 had this wrong too.

145 is wrong to act like early decision means the students are less qualified. It doesn't. The comment that 143 made about talking to the admissions office is spot on -- they will tell you like they told me that the summer start is NOT for people the law school is nervous about admitting.

Of those who ARE NOT early decision, summer starts are the most qualified applicants that asked to be admitted for summer. Those who aren't admitted for summer (either by early decision or regular decision) are deferred to fall start (that part is something 145 had correct). The fact that students can be and are deferred to fall, but may still be admitted after being rejected for summer leads us to what logical conclusion? That summer start is a pretty stringent pool.

Then again, all this thread shows is that most of my classmates are willfully uninformed and eager to jump at attacking each other behind the internet's shroud of secrecy. Disappointing.

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149 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:45 PM

As a UM 1L (fall starter), I would like to say that I am thoroughly embarrassed by the inane bickering and childishness of some of the posts here.

In the hopes that the tabloid reading public won't think the entire law school is populated by 8 year olds, I forward the following post that just came through on the list serve. I'm leaving the first name in, but redacting any identifying information.

By and large this year, the below post has been representative of my experience at Michigan Law. Please don't feel as if the ugly, id-driven yammerings to date on this thread are what this school is really all about.

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Subject:
[lawopen] found: your dough.
From:
"Marc -------"
Date:
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:23:01 -0400
To:
"[Unofficial Law Listserv]"
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If you just dropped some money near the three computers at the stairs to the library, email me and I’ll return it.

-Marc

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150 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:10 PM

So summer starters are the best of the best? Why don't you die in a fire you elitist fuck. Seriously, if the Harvard ding shame is too much for you, can you please try not to invent other ways to one up your classmates.

Fuck it, why put law review on your resume, when you can just put the ever-so-elusive "summer starter."

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

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151 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:31 PM

151 seems.... bitter.... didn't get in where you wanted hun?

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152 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:17 PM

151 here - not bitter at all. I love mich and am super stoked to have gone there for law school.

My beef is with retarded law students claiming summer starts are "the best of the best."

It's just ridiculous how at a t14 school, elitist douchebag fucktards poof out of thin air another way to separate themselves from the pack.

Michigan is collegial as hell. This guy clamoring that summer starters are "best of the best" is just fucking ridiculous.

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153 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, September 22, 2008 7:46 AM

151... the person is correct and responding to a ton of comments about how summer starters are the remedial class. Collegial? Tell that to the 100+ commenters before the summer start comment was made.

One person in the bunch actually got the FACTS correct and that's the person you're attacking. Maybe it doesn't help the atmosphere you love so much, but neither does wrongly calling 1/4 of the class dumb, neither does reposting someone's e-mail to our school and neither (sure as heck) does calling someone a fucktard.

It is not elitist to defend yourself against wrong attacks. I'm sorry if you seem to think that's the case.

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154 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM

lol 151

i'm posting this from my 1L class, come find me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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