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Covering the Court: Thoughts from Dahlia Lithwick

Dahlia Lithwick Slate Senior Editor.jpgWe spent a fair amount of time last week in lovely Charlottesville, Virginia, where we spoke at the University of Virginia Law School (coverage of our talk appears here and here). We spent lots of quality time with UVA Law students — at dinner, at a karaoke bar, and walking around the beautiful grounds.

One of the highlights of our trip was attending a luncheon talk by the fabulous Dahlia Lithwick, who has covered the Supreme Court for Slate for the past ten years (and who also served as a celebrity judge on ATL Idol). Despite suffering from a nasty flu, she delivered remarks that were hilarious and insightful, shedding much light upon media coverage of the Court.

Read more, after the jump.

Lithwick was introduced by James Ryan, UVA’s academic associate dean (and a finalist, as some of you may recall, in ATL’s law school deans hottie contest). Dean Ryan is just as hunky in person as he is in pictures. He covered the highlights of Lithwick’s impressive résumé: Yale College, Stanford Law School, Ninth Circuit clerkship, Slate (where she is a senior editor).

Lithwick took the podium and apologized for having a bad flu. She mentioned that she lives in Charlottesville, just up the road from law school, and asked if anyone was interested in a babysitting gig. (The line got a laugh — but after the talk, one student approached Lithwick and offered up her babysitting services.)

As a beat, the Supreme Court is strange, said Lithwick. In fact, it’s more than strange; it’s “peculiar, bordering on the pathological.” She mentioned that it’s also a beat in the midst of a sea change, due in large part to technology.

Ten years ago, when Lithwick first started covering the court, there were only two major online magazines: Salon and Slate. Now there are many. But just as she was then, Lithwick is still the only online reporter with press credentials at the SCOTUS (not counting Lyle Denniston of SCOTUSblog, who covered the Court for MSM outlets before entering the blogosphere, and who was “grandfathered in” as a credentialed courtroom reporter).

One major change wrought by technology is the speed of Court coverage. Lithwick used to be one of the fastest SCOTUS reporters out there, getting pieces up by 3 or 4 PM, well ahead of print reporters who would file at 6 PM to appear in the next morning’s newspaper. Nowadays, however, Tony Mauro gets his online pieces up by around 2 PM — and Denniston gets them up even earlier, sometimes around 12:15 PM.

The Supreme Court is also embracing technology — sometimes successfully, and sometimes not. Lithwick expressed gratitude for same-day transcripts of oral arguments (although poked gentle fun at the Court for taking so long to institute this easy-to-implement change). But she is not a fan of the Court’s policy on audio broadcasting. For more, see this Slate column.

(She also made fun of television coverage of the Court, which relies heavily on courtroom sketch artists’ drawings of gesticulating white men. Fun tidbit: the lawyer featured in the sketch often pays the artist a lot of money for the original.)

The rise of technology helps legal journalists in many ways, but it also poses new challenges. Due to the rise of blogs, law professors who are experts in various areas of substantive law — e.g., Eugene Volokh of the Volokh Conspiracy, Jack Balkin of Balkinization — can immediately share their insightful and informed analyses of new SCOTUS opinions with the world at large. Lithwick wondered: In light of this development, in which experts can speak directly to the public, what role is left for legal journalists covering the Court? Where can they add value?

One area where they can add value is by providing analysis and context, given the knowledge SCOTUS correspondents acquire about the Court as an institution and the personalities who fill the bench. Of course, more “news analysis” raises the classic tension between reporting and opinion in coverage of the Court. Lithwick wondered aloud about how Adam Liptak, who recently replaced Linda Greenhouse as the New York Times’s Supreme Court correspondent, will deal with being in a beat where he’s perhaps less free than he used to be to allow opinion to seep into coverage. Lithwick also gave a shout-out to Jan Crawford Greenburg, whose book and blog about the Court reflect a definite point of view.

(Lithwick also gave us a shout-out in her discussion of other legal media types: “Thank God for David Lat and the other legal gossip bloggers, who talk about which clerks are sleeping with which clerks. They make me look like this serious, responsible journalist!”)

Interestingly enough, the strict separation between constitutional law and personal opinion is breaking down on the justices’ side of the ledger, too. Lithwick noted how justices are offering more access to the media and to the public — e.g., Justice Antonin Scalia on 60 Minutes, Justice Clarence Thomas’s memoir, the Scalia/Breyer road show. This can be good, insofar as it sheds light upon the judicial decision-making process, but it can also be problematic, insofar as it trivializes the Court and makes it harder to respect as an institution.

Lithwick discussed how legal journalists who cover the Supreme Court are torn between two narratives. “Story 1” focuses on 5-4 splits over ideologically charged issues, describing law as politics by other means. “Story 2” argues that law is different and special, that it transcends mere politics, and that the Court is a unique, apolitical institution. Supreme Court correspondents swing back and forth between “Story 1” and “Story 2.” What will emerge as “Story 3”?

This concluded Lithwick’s prepared remarks. The floor was then opened up to questions.

One question asked Lithwick for her take on Chief Justice John Roberts, whom she seemed to have a soft spot for during his confirmation hearings. Lithwick said that she trusted other Court watchers, people like Ben Wittes, who described JGR as a fairly straight shooter and not a movement conservative. But now that he has been on the bench for a while, according to Lithwick, Chief Justice Roberts has shown himself to be “very, very ideological.” She cited his opinion in the Parents Involved case as an example of his highly ideological bent.

Lithwick said that her biggest disappointment about Roberts is how he’s turned out to be “actually quite mean at oral argument.” Some advocates she has spoken to have said they’re more scared of the Chief than Justice Scalia. She said that JGR has an inclination to ask “gotcha” questions of lawyers.

Another questioner asked Lithwick about how she prepares for covering arguments at the Court. She mentioned that she doesn’t watch every argument, but picks and chooses. Since she has to leave Charlottesville at about 4:30 AM to catch an argument in D.C., she has an incentive to be selective. When she finds an argument she’s interested in, she prepares thoroughly, reading all the filings, interviewing experts, talking to fellow journalists, etc.

We asked her about a topic that we discussed at our talk the prior day: how to make the move from practicing law to writing about it. Lithwick, who practiced family law for a time before moving into writing, quipped: “One thing that really helps is doing doing divorce law.” After representing clients in their “bickering over the pots and pans,” everything else starts to look much more attractive.

Lithwick then described how she left the law and was unemployed for a while. She was crashing on a friend’s couch, subsisting on ramen noodles, when an opportunity fell into her lap. Through this friend, who perhaps wanted to get her off the couch, she was hooked up with Slate, which hired her to cover the Microsoft trial. That freelance assignment eventually blossomed into a full-time gig.

Based on her own experience, Lithwick offered up this advice (to laughter from the audience): “Be really unemployed — until the perfect job offers itself up to you.”

Above the Law Founder: In Tough Times, Choose First Firm Job Carefully [Virginia Law]
LIVEBLOG: David Lat - “Big Law and the End of the World as We Know It” [UVA Law Blog]

Comments

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:46 AM

first

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:08 AM

Hmmm, so this is what English writing out properly is supposed to sound like ... go figure.

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:25 AM

hey lat, how do i get a 1L sa position? can you get me in at wachtell?

-nervous T-10 1L

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:34 AM

what a breath of fresh air. good post Lat

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:35 AM

An SLS graduate without a job? I call flame.

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:39 AM

I was about to congratulate Elie for finally learning how to use spell check, until I realized this was written by a man who probably scored more than 160 on the LSAT to get into law school.

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:46 PM

What does the fact that the lawyers are white have to do with anything?

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:53 PM

David Lat the writer is white?

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:01 PM

HELLO MY INTERNET FRIENDS HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:14 PM

Why am I reading ATL while at the office on Saturday rather than doing my friggin work and getting the heck out of here?

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:25 PM

12:46 - I think Lithwick was just making an observation about how most top SCOTUS lawyers are white men (with a few notable exceptions, like Maureen Mahoney or Drew Days).

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:26 PM

I like peanuts, and cheese!

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:13 PM

Nice post Elie... You're getting there.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:23 PM

Litwick is extremely overrated. Her hyperbolic stream-of-consciousness is terrible. A computer program sifting through Daily Kos comments cross-referenced with Christopher Hitchens's vocabulary would yield a similar column.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:20 PM

I was going to criticize Lithwick until I read she actually practiced law for a while, in the real world. I too would pick sleeping on a friend's couch in lieu of returning to a divorce law practice--what a nightmare.

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:24 PM

Peanuts! Cheese!

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:27 PM

Pathetic. What a pathetic hypocrite. Roberts is ideological? Uh, no. You are ideological, you two-bit hack. Not a word of course for chief bigot justice stevens. Sickening.

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:43 PM

I'M A FREEBORN MAN OF THE U.S.A.!!!

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:55 PM

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The University of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg is an excellent school.
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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:43 PM

It must be dizzying for "legal journalists" to have to switch back and forth between narrative no. 1 and narrative no. 2 depending on Justice Kennedy's vote in particular cases.

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:48 PM

edamame!

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:12 PM

15: can you elaborate? I know a divorce lawyer who made 50k off a single divorce. It's usually a lucrative, albeit acrimonious, practice.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:51 PM

Want some peanuts with your cheese, bitches?

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:22 PM

I second 10.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:55 PM

I really, really like this cheese; you?

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:07 AM

Nice work Elie - everyone said you couldn't write! Ha! You showed them!

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:11 AM

19 - Penn Troll

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:12 AM

19 - University of Penn State Troll

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:15 AM

25: I agree -- the cheese is awesome! How 'bout dem peanuts?!?

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:15 AM

the cheese flavored peanuts are fa shizzle my nizzle

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:57 AM

17 - You're an idiot. Why would anyone aske Lithwick about Stevens? He's been on the court for 194 years, so we all have a pretty good idea about his ideology. The question was about the new guy - the new chief - whose ideological bent was not as clear.

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Folks, can we please forget about the Lithwick story and instead spend some time discussing the peanuts-‘n’-cheese matter, which is clearly far more important? Many thanks.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Folks, can we please forget about the Lithwick story and instead spend some time discussing the peanuts-‘n’-cheese matter, which is clearly far more important? Many thanks.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Folks, can we please forget about the Lithwick story and instead spend some time discussing the peanuts-‘n’-cheese matter, which is clearly far more important? Many thanks.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Folks, can we please forget about the Lithwick story and instead spend some time discussing the peanuts-‘n’-cheese matter, which is clearly far more important? Many thanks.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:40 PM

30 is completely wrong: it is the peanut flavored cheese that is the fa shizzle? Or is he?

Ok, discuss my nizzles.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:08 PM

I got peanuts all up in here -- peanuts 'n' cheese!

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:14 PM

Umm, I don't want to alarm you 37, but I think that's Elie over at the table w/the cheese and peanuts...

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:34 PM

I agree that law students should choose firms carefully and do plenty of research before accepting offers. But this isn’t foolproof. I chose a firm in Atlanta based mostly on the fact that they claim to focus on developing their lawyers and had a high retention rate (definitely no longer true). When I was a first year in corporate, and the credit crisis started becoming major, the atmosphere changed a lot. They laid off some of the newest people in corporate, one being me. I am not claiming that I was making them a lot of money, since I was only a first year, but if you think it’s hard getting a job right out of law school (even a top school like the one I attended), it’s much harder when you’re a first year. It has been nearly six months and I am just lucky my parents would let me move back in. I don’t know what the other people are doing, but I hope they are having a better time than me. With over $100k in law school loans, things are looking a bit bleak.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:48 PM

39, it'd be helpful if you named that firm, or at least gave a few hints.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:05 PM

J'aime le fromage! J'aime les cacahuètes!

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:12 PM

40 - 39s firm is clearly Sutherland. He did give you clues if you would think about the post. Sutherland is an Atlanta firm. It is ranked second on Vault for formal training and is also ranked for informal training. Moreover, it markets itself as a nicer and friendlier alternative to Alston and K&S (whether that is true or not). Finally, the lay offs they engaged in have been well publicized on this site. - Not hard to figure out with only a modicum of effort.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:56 PM

39 - That sucks. Best of luck. Seriously.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:19 PM

That does suck for 39, and he's right about research not being foolproof, especially in this market. With a few exceptions (the ultra elite firms) this can happen at any firm and will probably happen at most. I don't think there's much 2L's can do except hope it doesn't happen at the firm they choose and pray for a quick turnaround in the economy.

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:31 PM

Permettez-eux de manger le fromage!!

Et cacahuètes!!

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:34 PM

Great post Elie! Your writing has dramatically improved since yesterday!

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:09 PM

39's story made me a sad panda. :(

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:55 PM

39,

are you interested in plaintiff work?

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:59 PM

FIRST!!!

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:23 PM

CHEESE!
PEANUTS!

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 12:01 AM

17--

Get a fucking clue.

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 12:33 AM

Gotta love an SLS grad describing how she fell ass-backwards into a job most of us would kill for. See! She's just like us. She was poor once too! And she too had to eat Ramen noodles before her big break!

Go away Lithwick. You're not fooling anybody. You'd be lost without you're privileged background and high level connections.

-TTT grad who actually lived on friend's couch and consumed white trash staples before landing Midlaw gig

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 12:37 AM

52 here: make that "your"

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 1:13 AM

I liked her until she wrote an article about how terrible child support is. That's right. She doesn't like CHILD SUPPORT! As if children magically pay for themselves!

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 8:22 AM

dahlia is a babe. totally would tax that ass. i bet you she would lick my peanuts.

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 8:42 AM

Karaoke bar? Man, UVA sure know how to treat its visiting gay asian luminaries right!

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 10:18 AM

can you ask firms about their financial health when you have an offer? who do you ask - recruiting people or partners?

sorry 39. hope the tide turns soon.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 10:34 AM

UVa has been getting some great speakers lately (e.g. Easterbrook, Scalia last spring, and some fun/interesting media folks).

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 10:48 AM

They should have left her on the couch.

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 1:10 PM

A liberal hack if there ever was one.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 1:10 PM

A liberal hack if there ever was one.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 20, 2008 1:40 PM

Jan Crawford Greenburg is the only SC reporter worth reading. All the rest are hacks (especially Lithwick).

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:20 PM

But does Greenburg have her own fan page?

http://www.blueblanket.net/Dahlia/

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:28 PM

You might be interested in this series that examines how Technorati rankings can be manipulated:

On Getting Noticed -- Part I

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:30 PM

Oops! Here's the link to the first post in the series:

http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2008/10/16/on-getting-noticed/

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