Dechert: Inside The Black Box
Readers have demanded more information about the so-called “stealth layoffs” at Dechert. Finally, we have additional information to report.
Readers, commenters, tipsters, recruiters, employees, and the Virgin Mary who appeared to me in a breakfast grapefruit are all reporting that a number of associates will be laid off at the end of this month. These layoffs have nothing to do with the March departures from the firm, and contradict the firm’s official statements on the matter.
As best we can tell, no less than 10 and no more than 30 associates were told at the end of July that they would be laid off in 3 months. According to one tipster:
Effectively we were told that we can come in to work, but do not have to, and we can tell the recruiters and places where we interview that we still have a job at Dechert. Now, at the end of the three months our salaries would stop coming. These three months was our severance. At the same time the partners did absolutely nothing to help us locate jobs because most were too afraid to do anything.
As many of you know, Gina Passarella of the Legal Intelligencer was able to speak at length (free version) with Dechert Chairman Bart Winokur. Mr. Winokur declined to speak with ATL directly, but in the Intelligencer article he does not really deny that associates were asked to “move on” in this manner. Instead, the Intelligencer reports:
“In my view, layoffs are when you decide to cut head count,” Winokur said. “It’s not when you decide to replace people with better people.”Winokur said the culture of the firm is to improve year over year and when people reach a point of seniority and still aren’t getting better, the firm will sometimes tell them they don’t have a future at Dechert.
Whatever advantages there are to stealth layoffs are pretty much destroyed when your firm chairman starts talking about replacing people “with better people.” People we’ve talked to have emphasized that the firm is doing nothing to help associates put on notice find new jobs.
Even if you look at all of the evidence in the light least favorable to the firm, it doesn’t look like the number of July/October layoffs rise to the level that has been mentioned by some of our commenters.
But, there might be some other stealth moves going on. Read more after the jump.
Have you ever heard of a “pro-bono sabbatical?” We understand that number of Dechert associates have been “temporarily transferred” to community organizations because there is not enough work for them at the firm. According to our source:
The sabbatical itself involves associates being transferred to pro-bono agencies to work for a period of several months. They will still be listed with the firm, but no firm work will be given to them. Agencies to which they will be transferred vary greatly in what they do. These agencies are not affiliated with the firm in any way other then this project or other [regular] pro-bono work.
We are working on coming up with a list of agencies that could be receiving full-time help from Dechert associates. We believe that these externships began last week.
Just like the associates who were effectively laid off in July, this “sabbatical” sounds like another way for Dechert to push people out without admitting that they are laying anybody off.
As of this writing, Dechert has not denied these specific allegations. In the Intelligencer article, Winokur tried to leave the impression that most associate turnover was due to normal attrition:
Winokur was adamant that there had been no layoffs since those in the finance and real estate practice announced earlier this year. He said there are a total of 68 U.S. associates who were at Dechert in January 2008 who were not there by the end of September. For that same time period in 2007, he said, 82 U.S. associates had moved on. He wouldn’t specify whether those numbers were all associates who were asked to leave or if some left on their own accord.
If it is true that associates were told in July that they would be laid off in October, if it is true that associates were put on “sabbatical” for an indefinite amount of time, then associate head-count numbers as of September looks like a disingenuous “fact” by Winokur.
Putting it all together: if you look at perhaps as many as 30 associates that could be out of paycheck at the end of the month, and then add any number of associates who are now being forced into a pro-bono externship pending a future layoff, the huge numbers of 80 or more associate layoffs that have been posted in our comments (which I openly mocked) don’t look so crazy.
It certainly looks like the “slightly exaggerated” headline was “greatly understated.”
But the most damning evidence of all is that the firm has not directly denied any of these rumors. Read Winokur’s comments to the Intelligencer. He calls the rumors “bull” and bemoans the anonymity of commenters. But when we asked Dechert a simple question: “Did you tell associates in July that their paychecks would stop coming in October,” the firm decided not to answer.
We’ll keep digging and keep you posted on any new information we uncover.
Dechert Chairman: Layoff Rumors Are ‘Bull’ [Law.com]
Earlier: Rumors Of Dechert’s Demise Are Slightly Exaggerated




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FIRST TIME EVER
Wow
"These three months was our severance. "
Maybe that guy should have been fired for lack of writing ability.
Fourth? Fifth? Sixth? COME ON.
Fifttth. Decherttt.
Ditto 3,
so should the asshat who wrote this line:
"Putting it all together: if you look at perhaps as many as 30 associates that could be out of paycheck at the end of the month"...
If they're actually replacing people with better people, then Winokur's being honest about it. Nothing to complain about other than that it basically sucks to be fired.
If, on the other hand, a bunch of associates are leaving but they're not actually being replaced, then the people who are being fired are essentially being thrown under the bus to cover Dechert's problems.
-Cpt. Obvious
It's all semantics, but I think these could be defined as "terminations", but perhaps not "layoffs".
Surely the bad economy is making many firms less willing to carry on with marginal performers in hopes that they will snap out of it and develop into something. But there is a difference between simply moving the minimum retention threshold and intentionally terminating people for the specific purpose of reducing headcount.
Bart Winokur is such a hateable little man. Look at his ridiculous hair - makes me cringe. Look at that pathetic expression - makes me want to hit him. Look at his wonk eye - makes me want to spit in it. It's people like this that make me hate working in Biglaw - more than the hours and dullness of the work even.
solid coverage.
shheeesssh, here comes the grammar-Nazis again!
It says a lot about Dechert's hiring standards and associate training if they feel the need to replace them with better people.
My guess is they're not better, just cheaper. The people getting canned will probably be replaced with first year associates, not mid-level laterals.
nice post.
7: hey ass. obv it sucks to be fired. the point is that he is arguing semantics (or just plain lying). call them what they are - layoffs.
I smell a cover up!
The "better" people that Dechert has hired in the last year? I'm sure the number is merely all the first year associates that joined the in the fall.
Dechert has laid off senior and mid-level associates, and hired first years. Better is a relative term. Better for the firm, because they don't have to pay a first year as much.
good detective work. So the question is: what other firms are engaging in shenanigans like this?
Nice post, Elie.
If given the option of coming in and getting paid or staying home and getting paid, who the hell would keep coming into work? Guess it might be fun to show up on random days, make everyone you pass get quiet and uncomfortable, and just chill out playing flash games.
The layoffs didn't stop in July, they are ongoing (including in the last couple of weeks). With the 3 months severance, these won't count until January 2009.
Elie,
Not a grammar point, but are you now directing your anti-conservative/moderate/GOP bias toward religion? Not all people find the Virgin Mary ridiculous.
- Non-religious, but respectful
this whole thing is chimera.
i go to uva and pop my collar.
Why is it that Dechart has to help people find jobs - last time I checked this was not a Communist country. Nobody is "entitled" to an associate position, or any other job for that matter. If you can't make your hours, if you are a dumba*s or if you annoy everyone around you with anecdotes about how you got an A in constitutional law you will find yourself looking for work. Its called "at will employment" - for all the law students out there, feel free to look it up and wow your peers with your ability to use a term of art correctly instead of correcting each other's grammar.
Nice post, Elie.
Elie looks like he did a lot of leg work on this one and this is why people come to ATL. Elie, you have made them famous and now we know their names.
J. McCain Esq.
22, you ignorant slut.
Elie
don't you owe the guy from last week's post an apology? he said there were mass layoffs and you called him out saying he was full of shit. once you stopped sucking decher't's proverbial dick (while removing your thumb from its asshole), you suddenly realized (as today's post notes) that you were played like a bitch.
Finally, a post that covers something of substance. Good job.
Do we have any idea where the layoffs were concentrated? I assume it was spread out accross all offices? Rumors are persistent that Dechert will close its Charlotte office by the end of the year, is there any indication this is true in light of all the layoffs?
22: of course doesn't have an obligation to help. But the firms that are being rationale about it do, because it may benefit them down the road by having alums in other places. Truly forward-thinking firms get their people placed in-house and don't burn their bridges.
that guy has beady little eyes. if i was next to him, and had a chopstick handy, i'd go ninja on those beady eyes, and use them in my new sushi roll i'm inventing: the dechert eye hand roll.
Do firms ever help laid-off associates find new jobs??
Do I smell a Dechert / Thelen merger here?
*sends resume stating ‘proficient at replacing lesser associates’ under skills*
-nervous T-10 1L
Hogan and Hartson picked up a bunch of Heller partners and is starting Palo Alto / San Francisco offices with them.
Any word on whether associates will be joining?
Elie, good work and keep it coming. This is the first time I have ever said this about your work - honestly, nice job.
22: No one said the partners have to help people find jobs. The point is that it's common courtesy to help people you're laying off find new work.
2Ls and laterals will take things like this into consideration when choosing where to work. A firm that doesn't help you find new work is less secure and probably filled with (comparatively more) asshats.
This story has also been picked up by other sites like http://endofesq.com/?p=386#comments
Forced pro bono sabbaticals are really quite a new low in pushing people out. Pro bono is laudable, but you should be able to do it from your desk at Dechert. Dechert really is an innovator in its stealth lay off practice.
33- hilarious.
34, so you, like, read issues of The Recorder from last week and stuff?
Mystall -- Your credibility is shot to hell now. You really expect us to believe you eat grapefruit for breakfast? Maybe yes? Maybe No? Maybe go fuck yourself!
Mark Wahlberg
ps: Say hi to your mother for me.
Is it just me, or is the criticism that Dechert isn't helping people find jobs a little...off? It's a firm, not a mom. Three months notice seems like plenty of help finding a job - it's time to look (with pay) that won't necessarily lead to a resume gap. How much more is a firm supposed to do?
22- You are missing the point. I do not claim that firms should be required to help find jobs for the affected associates (and I don't think many people would take that position). But the firms must bear the free-market consequences of their failure to do so. In fact, in order for the free market to function properly, information assymetries (such as those between applicants for associate positions and the firms they might apply to) should be reduced. ATL therefore does a service to the free market by publicizing all this.
Speaking of Thelen, 32, here's the next one for Elie to investigate...rumor floating around Thelen is that there will be an announcement this week on the future of the firm, with the likely scenario being many of the remaining practice groups jumping to Nixon (in SF) and perhaps Pillsbury or Alston (SV), with the construction and a few other groups staying on as Thelen. Those who are neither staying with the shrunken Thelen or going to the new firms will be given their WARN notices so the "restructuring" can be completed by year end.
i fourth or fifth the comment: great post.
for the spellin police, who gives a crap. this a blog. not a filing with a court. its a blog. not instructions on how to disarm a nucular bomb. its a blog, (ir)regardless of the content, thats' all it is. get over it.
Very nice work, Elie. Keep posts like this coming.
The true reason for these layoffs (and that's just what they are, not performance related firings): Dechert gambled big and lost. For years, Dechert (or at least Winokur) wanted to be ranked among the Sullivan's and Cravaths of the world, or at least the Skadden's. They hired the best they could find and paid top dollar. For a while, it worked. Dechert PPP blossomed like a desert wildflower after a rare rain. But the game ultimately did not go their way, and now they are stuck with very expensive associate (and partner) help, without the client base to support it. Now, they, like Cadwalader, which is probably the closest NY equivalent to Dechert, are forced to layoff associates. At least Cadawalder was honest that it was a layoff, rather than trying to blame the reductions on performance issues.
By the way, its not just Dechert associates who are suffering, and in fact the associates have only recently suffered. Dechert has been boosting its PPP by laying off or encouraging the departures of less profitable partners (some of them long term partners) for several years. For example, Dechert once had a vaunted first amendment group that was unceremoniously ditched as not sufficiently lucrative. Unfortunately, this sort of cannibalism among partners will boost growth only in the short term, and ultimately undermines the firm by reducing the diversity of its client base. That can be fatal to a firm in a downturn. I bet Dechert would love to have some of those less profitable clients back right about now, rather than having to send its associates on forced pro bono marches.
Say hi to your mother for me.
DickHerts
ps: suck it
41: It's just you.
Anyone care to expand on the rumors of a NY V-10 possibly laying off folks.
Nice work exposing how Dechert threw its associates under the bus and lied. I appreciate the follow-up.
46, nice job.
This is a good post. Good job Elie.
Regarding helping laid off associates finding jobs - isn't there a distinction between getting laid off and fired? Or at least, wasn't there a distinction? Laid off employees should be helped while fired ones are lucky my foot didn't leave a mark on their ass when I gave them the boot.
The problem with the guy interviewed is that, by arguing semantics in the layoff v. termination bullshit (though he may be correct), he's just prolonging the coverage and how long Dechert is in the news cycle - and not in a positive light. And he's nuts if he thinks clients don't follow this stuff - bored in-house counsel, especially those that may have formerly worked at the firm, definitely follow this story and care.
There are going to be so many layoffs (or whatever) at so many places, that simply fessing up to them would get drowned out by news of the next firm in no time. Just proves that you can add PR to the list of things lawyers aren't good at (managing a business, reading financials, using excel, etc.)
"Replacing people with better people" ???
Hmmmm.....so Dechert is hiring to replace these associates? Seems doubtful. More likely this was just an idiotic attempt at spinning layoffs.
Maybe the first Dechert "person" that needs to be replaced is their idiot Chariman. Hire PR if you can't handle the hot hot heat of the "Legal Intelligencer".
Glad Dechert dinged me on my callback. Now I'm at a firm that's opening new offices, seeing existing offices grow, allows new associates to start in September (if they choose), is hiring more summers and has extended the summer program.
Elie, thank you for the informative post and for calling Dechert out. I'm even more impressed that you admitted that you prior post was misleading.
56: what firm is that???
"...no less than 10 and no more than 30..."
fewer, not less
54-
I swear I didn't copy
-55
Hi 26,
This is 13 from that post. Don't expect or want an appology. I am glad that I was given a forum to post my objections, and that Elie didn't try and cover it up (or at least did a follow up once he had something). There is a lot wrong with this place, but at least it is here and does put pressure. Hopefully this will not be the end, because we just have the MP of a big firm lie to a legal publication and label those let go as bad lawyers. This deserves more coverage and I am glad it is getting it.
13
http://abovethelaw.com/2008/10/dechert_layoff_exaggeration_but_caution.php#comment-791120
54 -
Right on. I am bored in-house and yes, I follow this stuff. Too many lawyers think that name and prestige keeps the client coming back. If the office is in turmoil, how can I take any time sheet seriously? Did the work get done properly? Was it top-notch work, or only the meager effort of a disgruntled semi-associate?
This site is a good source of information as to the pulse of a firm that you don't get when speaking to a senior associate or partner.
Skadden DC
"...no less than 10 and no more than 30..."
fewer, not less
"...no less than 10 and no more than 30..."
fewer, not less
"...no less than 10 and no more than 30..."
fewer, not less
Am I the only person who noticed Elie's big lie? No way he eats grapefruit.
crap, sorry for the quadruple post.
- fewer, not less
Nice work Elie. I would love to see this type of quality on a more consistent basis.
Associates get "counseled out" all the time. In boom times and down times. Hasn't anyone noticed the phenomenon where a bunch of associates all leave on the same day and that day happens to be about 90 days after annual reviews? I think the real test is whether this Dechert job action coincided with reviews or not. Elie, dig deeper.
-fewer, not less
more =/= better
67, I don't think it's a lie. You've seen Homer eat grapefruit - cut it in half, coat the half in sugar, lick off sugar, toss grapefruit aside, repeat with other half.
Can you still apply for SA positions at Dechert? They're very good for Philadelphia, and I think less students will be interested, allowing for a smaller, more intimate summer class in which you can "wow!" the partners.
For what it's worth, I don't think that students will be dissuaded from working anywhere. This unprecedented financial crisis will create a new regime, one in which it's a buyer's market for the firms. Goodbye, SA programs. Hello, fierce competition for slots? Or at least I hope not . . . .
67 -- See comment 40.
Mystall -- Your credibility is shot to hell now. You really expect us to believe you eat grapefruit for breakfast? Maybe yes? Maybe No? Maybe go fuck yourself!
Mark Wahlberg
ps: Say hi to your mother for me.
Good Post L-Dogg
72: try pouring a shot of vodka over the grapefruit and microwaving for 20 seconds, then putting the sugar on. Even better.
55 -
Confirmed not "replacing" people at all. Dechert's lateral recruiting postings went from about 25 a week-or-so ago to about 5 today.
If Dechert was "replacing" between no fewer than 10 and no more than 30, shouldn't they be looking for no fewer than 10 and no more than 30?
Suggest Dechert list an immediate need for PR person ("....must be literate. Definition of "replace" a bonus.")
30 - you racist a-hole. you should be shot.
30 < Dechert < TTT
as for this pro bono sabitical, it is the FRE associates taking part.
Instead of chilling and playing flash games while in Dechert offices and occasionally answering phone calls from would-be employers, the fired associates should have taken a clue and started furiously looking for jobs.
It's a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't produce, don't expect to get top salary for your work. If you don't have a sense of self-preservation, don't work in BigLaw.
Me? I'm out of the rat race. I'm laughing AT you and not with you.
~In House Counsel
....................crickets.......>-#-<..............circkets
80: that was MEAN and DISRESPECTFUL. Take your social darwinism somewhere else, jerk.
not a shot MysTTTal eats grapefruit for breakfast....Don't you mean the Virgin Mary came to you in your bacon, sausage, eagles hash brown and cheese whiz?
guys at dechert have girlfriends who f@ck other guys.
82: and you're a hippie liberal pansy. Go curl up in a fetal position somewhere and talk about your "feelings".
by grapefruit mysTTTal means bacon, sausage, eggs, has browns and cheese whiz
by grapefruit mysTTTal means bacon, sausage, eggs, hash browns and cheese whiz
by grapefruit mysTTTal means bacon, sausage, eggs, hash browns and cheese whiz
If you haven't found a job in three months, then I would venture to guess that you aren't serious at all.
Have fun in unemployment but be warned -- there's a big difference in unemployment and Biglaw salary. I would guess that you won't be able to repay your student loans on unemployment.
To save money, cut out cable and Internet. You'll be better off. Seriously.
~In House Counsel
We need a list of shame. Whatever happened to that guy?
who else thinks that 78 clearly has lost an eye to chopstick-wielding ninja?
Did I miss the joke or something? Crickets? Is that code for layoffs or maybe a jab at GULC?
? <8
70: why are you repeating Dechert's lies? An associate I know that was asked to leave in July had a solid review in the spring. The associates were expressly told that the layoffs were economic-driven. These layoffs did not coincide with reviews. Enough said.
Won't be sending my resume to Dechert.
The associates got GULC'ed. What else is new?
73 - when you say "wow" the partners, are you talking about giving a rusty trombone? if yes, then a small intimate summer class or big impersonal summer class won't make a difference. all that matters is your ability to hit the right notes.
94 -
Does it sound like their hiring?
How 'bout just keeping that resume tucked away until you get an f-ing clue, pal?
Sincerely,
Sayhitoyamothafome
can smoeone explain the references to GULC?
can smoeone explain the references to GULC?
WAKE UP, people! There's a LOT of this going on right now. They're called 'stealth' layoffs for a reason. When associates suddenly leave your firm, ask them why. Very few are voluntarily leaving in this terrible market. These layoffs are generally structured to promote silence on the part of the axed, and be difficult to quantify or verify.. At least Cadwalader was up-front about it. Don't believe me? See who's leaving your firm these days.
96- I must disagree with you. one can only learn to hit the right notes through the repetition that a small summer class allows. so yes, an intimate summer class does increase 73's odds of perfecting the rusty trombone.
@97: you... oh, nevermind. Speaks for itself.
Major doings at a V10 in New York. Elie, what will you do for the scoop?
I heard The Law Offices Of Ray Schwartzberg laid off 8 associates this morning.
I heard the Law Offices Of Ray Schwartzberg laid off 8 associates this morning.
Going to your office while on severance and playing Flash games does not strike me as particularly productive.
~In House Counsel
96- I must disagree with you. one can only learn to hit the right notes through the repetition that a small summer class allows. so yes, an intimate summer class does increase 73's odds of perfecting the rusty trombone.
As to Mr. "fewer, not less", please see
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=465
and stop trying to impress people. Less is very well attested in this usage.
The Bratislava office closed long ago. Why didn't ATL report on this?
The Tehran office of Skadden is closing ...
Guys at my highschool who still sucked at their job after several years and several raises used to be fired and replaced with younger, cheaper recruits all the time. It was no big deal.
Hey, In House Counsel, hows it going? Great. You know me. I'm Mark Wahlberg. I see you are able to GULC yourself with both hands now. I like that. I did the same thing in my movie The Perfect Storm. Well Ok then....Say hi to your mother for me.
MW
ps: Suck it.
111 - Agreed, but only if they actually are replacing them with new people. If they are actually cutting headcount then they should just be honest about it like Cadwalader.
98/99 = GULC 0L. Good luck!
any word on schulte layoffs?
is it too late (possible) to renege if i accepted an offer for 2L summer with Dechert?
I have heard of pro-bono sabbaticals before, and they're not necessarily forced, though these may be.
is it too late (possible) to renege if i accepted an offer for 2L summer with Dechert?
Elie, Good job on the story. You have truly earned ur late-night taco bell.
For the rest of you V100-V5 BigLaw pussies--if ur firm hasn't done any bloodletting yet, start hoardin ur work, cuz it's comin harder than cytherea on a sybian.
Kisses:)
118. You are at will.
Merck settled. No more dead people to depose. PPP must stay high. Dechert stinks.
@119 -- I had to google both cytherea and sybian and I regret it.
Ok fine, so maybe I'm alone. Terribly, terribly alone. But I feel like we make a connection when I post here. And I get to ride in helicopters -- that's cool, isn't it? Isn't it?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe one of you could be my new friend. Everyone around here ignores me. I change the names on the same form contract everyday. It's lonely. Please?
~In House Counsel
Agree with 119: Hoard like crazy. Nothing is "paralegal work" or "too junior" anymore. Make your own closing sets. Draft your own resolutions, arts of inc, bylaws, etc. (Sorry, clients, but I'm not going to be the associate getting fired.)
120 - Does "at will" mean we are an employee at will, meaning that we are free to renege on our offer for 2L summer at this point?
Bart Winokur: "You know what I told them? I told them that they wouldn't have paychecks anymore. And you know what they said? They said why. And you know what I told them? I told them to fuck off."
46 has it right, but left out an important factor in Dechert's slow demise -- Dechert NY has hiked its rates over the last few years in order to play ball with the big boys. The problem is that Dechert is still not seen as a firm worth the rates they charge and is quickly losing clients. Because they can no longer retain or win new business (and Bart refuses to allow rate adjustments), partners do not bring in the business that they used to. The result is work hoarding among partners, little work for mid-level, senior associates and counsel, and crap dinner doc review for the junior associates.
Don't buy the "move on" bullshit. Dechert has been steadily laying off people because of its lack of business for the last year. The performance review excuse has been manufactured to cover Bart's ginormous ego.
Bart Winokur: "You know what I told them? I told them that they wouldn't have paychecks anymore. And you know what they said? They said why. And you know what I told them? I told them to fuck off."
122,
Nice imitation, but you aren't the real thing.
And, no, I have that kind of personality where I don't need friends. I am obsequious to my superiors and I kick the living shit out of my subordinates.
I'd worry a lot more about your job. That is, if you have one.
Sucks to be you. OTOH, it's good to be me!
~In House Counsel
there have been stealth layoffs at Willkie Farr & Gallagher and many associates there have been GULC'd
Thanks Elie. Seriously.
123
What you write is unfortunately true. You have to protect your job, but doesn't this show how unsustainable the business model is at so many law firms? In house counsel has every incentive now to scrutinize the bills and I suspect there's going to be a lot of rejected bills no matter how much the billing partners finesse work descriptions. In this economy the idea that there's going to be 2000 plus hours for every associate in the Amlaw 100 just isn't realistic. Too many lawyers, not enough business. There are notable exceptions of course. Skadden, Sullivan, STB, Wachtel will always have work, but the firms farther down the list who foolishly tried to keep up with salaries without the necessary business are going to contract. Rather than admit they screwed up, they'll throw associates under the bus like Dechert.
the schulte office in Baghdad is laying 208 associates tomorrow.
In House Counsel is a dickhead
126 - that sounds like a certain LA-based firm...
in house counsel = unfrozen douchebag lawyer
In House Counsel tells it like it is.
It's good to be on top instead of at the bottom of the heap.
my wife got laid off from dechert. she only screwed 2 guys there and got GULC'd twice. she said every guy there had a small dick.
Relax about in-house counsel. That troll has gotten you riled up, jack!
I call bullshit, I think it's the JT guy with a better, more ATL appropriate persona...
134: OMM?
Sounds like the Mayer "severance" policy. At least Maher isn't out front, throwing associates under the bus.
not 134, 126, 139 - but it sure sounds like OMM
Winston?
139 - No, I was referring to the firm one more letter in its initials. (Maybe that's been OMM's main problem, too, but I don't have the same information.)
Oh, and I'm speaking generally, not specifically about the NY office.
- 134/143
any news about thelen's tokyo offices?
Sheppard Mullin?
any news about thelen's tokyo offices?
So what gives, 144, are you going to tell us? What does it rhyme with?
Anyone know whether Dechert's chairman's ranting about laid off associates' performance violates the terms of any non-disclosure agreements HR usually makes people sign on their way out. I'd imagine that the laid off associates aren't supposed to openly discuss the circumstances of their being fired. Is the firm free to just say that people generally laid off were poor performers in the press?
149: i'm sure the agreement was not mutual, although some are.
148 - LA-based firm, 4 initials = PHJW.
Skadden DC has laid off staff attorneys, done soft layoffs of associates, and is starting to reign in the staff -- for example, no more non-essential secretarial over time.
Skadden DC has laid off staff attorneys, done soft layoffs of associates, and is starting to reign in the staff -- for example, no more non-essential secretarial over time.
Aha, 151, thanks. Was torn between PHJW and another 4 letter word.
Financially, Skadden DC is rapidly spinning out of control, no matter what the PR spin is. As others have pointed out, lawyers make very poor managers of massive law firms.
Good post, Elie. Dechert sucks.
Comment 12 hit the nail square on the head. Dechert is "cutting the fat" so to speak. Dechert is in the business to make a profit, which means keeping existing, and attracting new, clients. It also means that associates should generate considrably more funds than they cost the firm in salaries and benefits. Hence, Dechert will let go many mid-level attorneys that are doing work that a high school student can do and replace them with first years; the first years are paid less, existing clients are happy, because they are no longer paying a 5th year's billable rate to do work my chronic alcoholic great grandfather could do, and pitches to potential clients suddenly look much better when Dechert can promise a legal bill that will be significantly below its competitors.
/s/ General Cornrow Wallace
dechert responds to WSJ law blog and "clarifies" it's BS.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/10/22/dechert-chairman-responds-to-layoff-stories/
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Oh my god. Dechert PR must be shitting a brick to send out e-mails to WSJ law blog. That's an obvious move to cover with In house and general counsel who are more likely to read that blog than ATL. Disaster managment mode at level 10 for Dechert PR.
why clarify to WSJ and not to ATL????
Because, 160, if Dechert (or Thacher Proffitt or S&C, or whoever) ignores ATL the problem will all go away.
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The firm is making its appeal to a forum that won't put it in the hot seat. Dechert's PR people might think it will receive a far friendlier reception from WSJ law blog readership to counteract the icy reception on this blog. Let's face it, associates and others who frequent this blog can smell Dechert's bullshit from miles away.
161 - funny thing is that WSJ cites to ATL. winokur must really feel like a huge tool now.
By the way-
Congrats, Elie, you've made it.
When Dechert's PR people thought they could snow you with denials they had no problem talking to you.
Now that you've investigated them like a real journalist and hammered them they're pissed and will ignore you.
But don't worry- as Lat has found, the final stage of their grief will be acceptance, and after you finish slamming them on this scandal they'll just come out and CC you on the internal e-mails for the next one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqA_v1fHsyk&feature=related
Anyone who wants to challenge Dechert's PR response posted on the WSJ law blog should consider doing it on the WSJ law blog post as well as here. WSJ law blog stories tend to cycle more slowly and so are on their front page a bit longer than ATL.
This article is a lot of crap but mainly lies! Whomever wrote this REALLY REALLY REALLY needs to fact check better! There is no use sending people over the deep end for something that in all actuality is just a rumor!
167: Hi Bart Winokur!
hey Bart (167), here's a PSA: http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp
ATL should ask Bart how many associates have left their old firms to lateral into Dechert as a partner. I believe the count stands at one, and I think that one's last name is also Winokur. If true (which from what I can tell it is), I think this fact alone speaks volumes about Bart's character and integrity (or lack thereof).
The dechert associates I know who have been asked to leave are all good, smart people who were highly valued when times were good - now that times aren't so good, though, it appears that the Supreme Leader has decided that they are all poor performers. Earlier, it was partners who didn't place a value on money above everything else in their lives who were forced out to raise PPP.
Why would Dechert's Finance & Real Estate Group be the one with a disproportionate number of poor performers? It really seems from an outsider's point of view to reflect that finance and real estate are simply dead due to external factors, not that its associates are problematic.
Elie, great post. I haven't enjoyed it as much here lately, but I have to say, I think you really did a good job with this. Too bad some people want to focus on your breakfast. Keep up the good work!
It appears that more media outlets are discussing the Dechert story.
http://www.legalweek.com/Home/Articles/1173369/Dechert+combats+bloggers+to+deny+stealth+layoffs.html
Dear Children ... do your job, get off your lazy asses and you will not have anything to worry about!
173: Hi, Henry. Nice of you to take your tongue off Bart's ass long enough to comment here for him!
Let's not forget that not only are attorneys being let go but support staff as well. More staff was laid off as recently as this week. Steady lay offs have been happening since January. Being laid off (a gentle way of being fired) sucks no matter if you a receptionist or an attorney. However, whenever Dechert has another round of layoffs, suddenly there is a new foreign office or high priced lateral partner being announced. Maybe they should keep staff and get rid of some middle management who spends more time organize luncheons and conferences calls then coordinating staff or addressing staff needs and concerns. TOO MANY GENERALS AND FEWER AND FEWER SOLDIERS TO DO THE WORK. But I guess its better to charge your clients $300 a hour for their attorney to do their own typing, faxing, copying and research. Way to pad the bills boys!
Let's not forget that not only are attorneys being let go but support staff as well. More staff was laid off as recently as this week. Steady lay offs have been happening since January. Being laid off (a gentle way of being fired) sucks no matter if you a receptionist or an attorney. However, whenever Dechert has another round of layoffs, suddenly there is a new foreign office or high priced lateral partner being announced. Maybe they should keep staff and get rid of some middle management who spends more time organize luncheons and conferences calls then coordinating staff or addressing staff needs and concerns. TOO MANY GENERALS AND FEWER AND FEWER SOLDIERS TO DO THE WORK. But I guess its better to charge your clients $300 a hour for their attorney to do their own typing, faxing, copying and research. Way to pad the bills boys!