Stupid economy. I'm going to end up without any offers...

Hmmm, an oversubscribed summer class = no offers to some summers. Looks like even the kids who accept their offers early might be in trouble this time next year.

time for new clip art

The Boston law firm is Choate.

How about a "no on [sic]" or a "no on[e]" notation? Moron.

Now that the Phillies have won the World Series, it is per se 1980 all over again. You know what that means, kiddies, right? Like Jimmy the Peanut farmer, Broke the Community Organizing Novice Constitutional Scholar Socialist Liar is drafting a concession speech.

The better question is what happens to all those who have accepted their offers and declined the rest only to receive such a phone call. They will truly get economy-pwned.

Talk about jumping the shark - why on earth do we need a 7th update about this stupid situation? Why don't you try covering something new or at least interesting?

Hmmm, I'm trying to decide if there is a message of some sort that ATL is trying to convey ... something about offers ... but it just does not quite come across.

Can anyone clarify?

I don't think those who have accepted offers will get a call like this...only those with outstanding offers.

*blushes at being in title, could this be a sign of more successes to come?*

*gives elie bear hug while secretly slipping resume in his back pocket*

-nervous T-10 1L

it took MysTTTal over an hour to steal the Law Blog's story. WTF is he doing?

I bet they're bluffing.

ACORN is hiring community organizers in Ohio.

- M. Mouse

White & Case badly oversubscribed last summer as well, having a New York class of 120 or so. You'd think these idiots would know now to make the same exactly mistake two years in a row.

I suspect White & Case swore of Michigan SAs after yet another sandwich stealing incident. Ashamed by their notoriety, the Career Services people blame the economy.

14 wins this round of clever comments.

5, how do you know it's Choate?

Guys in my high school used to receive offers from oversubscribed white-shoe firms all the time, it was no big deal.

Anyone else skeptical that Michigan's Career Services really sent this e-mail?

I wish our firm would go on record like this...

If you aren't from Harvard and haven't yet accepted our offer (which you've had for weeks), we (and by we, I mean every firm) aren't too happy to have you accept at this point.

If you notice we're not checking in with you anymore, take the hint...

I suspect White & Case swore off Michigan SAs after yet another sandwich stealing incident. Trying to throw us off the scent, Career Services blames the economy.

If White & Case had said "we intend to honor ever summer associate offer we've made," would that have been a sneaky way of not saying that they would honor every offer they've made? Lucky for us we have the eagle eyes of ATL on the lookout for stuff like that ....

The guy in the clip art doesn't have money for food, but apparently has money to buy that fancy Las Vegas hat?

What a crook.

Hmmm, an oversubscribed summer class = no offers to some summers. Looks like even the kids who accept their offers early might be in trouble this time next year.

16 - last year Northeastern had a homeless alum stealing sandwiches, im starting to see a pattern.

"deletes White & Case from January_Coverletter_Blitzkrieg.xls. no tear.*

-Nervous T-10 1L

nervous, I want you to actually get hugged by a bear, who then tears you open and eats your insides.

15, you're exactly right, last year White & Case WAAAAAY oversubscribed.

Their intention this year was to compensate for that by having an exceptionally small summer class. While their numbers aren't even close to as high as they were last year, they are still above their target with offers still on the table. When they make the target that much lower, oversubscribing is that much more likely.

So if a firm has a target of 50 summers, has 50 acceptance and then calls the 10 outstanding offers and says "We are full and so can't guarantee offers, you may want to look elsewhere." Hypothetically, let's say 5 accept anyway.

How may students really think that they are going to be the one to not get an offer. At the end of the summer the firm decides it has room for 50 offers. Is it really going to no-off the 5 who were told "we can't guarantee offers"? Or are they going to no-offer the five lazy, obnoxious, weird, dumb people?

Just like every law student thinks they are going to make law review, get a BigLaw job and will be at the top of the bonus scale, aren't most students who get this sort of call going to think they can be the best summer associate ever and will get an offer?

In other words, at the end of the summer will it really be "last hired, first no-offered?"

FIRST!

*blushes at being in title, could this be a sign of more successes to come?*

*gives elie bear hug while secretly slipping resume in his back pocket*

-nervous T-10 1L

1) Sure it may seem like a dick thing to do, but the recruiting stigma and added costs notwithstanding, firms only benefit from being oversubscribed. They'll get to evaluate the summer class for an additional 2 months and get to decide which ones to keep. Competition will weed out the slackers and poor decision makers.

2) If everyone is oversubscribed, then the stigma of being "that firm" during the recruiting process will dissipate. As it is, its looking like Fall 2009 will be a recruiting bloodbath and students will be thankful to get any job. They won't care about who was oversubscribed last summer - it won't make a difference.

Get ready for an ugly new world.

Please please please stop with these threads. Whoever cared about this could have read your previous 7 threads on this subject.

Even the asses at Cravath have to wipe themselves now.

sigh......
former skatten dc associate/ cravath ass wiper.

30, your scenario assumes the firm lets them "accept anyway." Unless you're from HYS or the firm is an elite firm like Cravath that can add another 5, they probably wouldn't let you "accept." I know my biglaw firm wouldn't.

5 here. I have friends that have gotten calls from Choate telling them that if they have other offers they should accept them.

There will be more Elsie threads. The next will be Revenge of the TTTurdi.

Locke Lord is a dump. Sinking ship. Get out.

Multiple people at my school got the call from Choate. I think they accepted anyway.

why encourage the annoying 1L guy?

ATL is scooped by WSJ Law Blog...wow...Slater is a fucking loser and Lat made him look so bad all the time and now Slater scoops MysTTTal...

ATL is for shit.

ATL is scooped by WSJ Law Blog...wow...Slater is a fucking loser and Lat made him look so bad all the time and now Slater scoops MysTTTal...

ATL is for shit.

Guys in my hugh school...wait.....never mind.

ATL is scooped by WSJ Law Blog...wow...Slater is a fucking loser and Lat made him look so bad all the time and now Slater scoops MysTTTal...

ATL is for shit.

bit off topc...but wth Thelen and Heller gone, who wll replace them on the v100 list?

The costs of oversubscribed summer classes comes out of PPP, which is already, on average, down by 10% according to the Citi study. So I imagine the partners aren't too happy about summers accepting after getting the call not to...

40, why did they accept anyway?

21--my firm would love to do what you suggest, but the partners are scared of the hit to the rep.

maybe this could be a good thing... have summers actually WORK for their offers like the MBA kids have to do...

48, I think they were willing to compete for a spot at Choate rather than take one of their other offers.

Could people with any Choate information elaborate a little more?

- Nervous Top 10 2L who accepted at Choate for next summer within a week of receiving his offer

51, great... sounds like I am in for an awesome and collegial summer at Choate... >:(

51, great... sounds like I am in for an awesome and collegial summer at Choate... >:(

Sir,

I am bored by these incessant stories about oversubscribed summer classes. I would prefer more stories about blowjobs instead. In times of economic uncertainty blowjobs are often bartered for continued employment and are often notoriously and riotously discovered in stairwells, under airplane blankets and in law libraries. Such stories would be much appreciated.

Looking forward to the fruits of your sleuthing,

Bill Clinton

I accepted my offer the day before it was set to expire. Will the firm remember this when it comes time to no-offer one or two summers?

I had no offers my 1L summer 3 years ago, in spite of good grades, top 40 school, and 300 resumes/applications and 20 OCI's.

This market has sucked for 3 years where have you people been?

Sir,

I am bored by these incessant stories about oversubscribed summer classes. I would prefer more stories about blowjobs instead. In times of economic uncertainty blowjobs are often bartered for continued employment and are often notoriously and riotously discovered in stairwells, under airplane blankets and in law libraries. Such stories would be much appreciated.

Looking forward to the fruits of your sleuthing,

Bill Clinton

MysTTTal

If the economy keeps going down this road, which there is every indication it will, ALL firms are going to end up being oversubscribed, whether they perceive that they are now or not. So maybe it makes sense to just accept the offer at the firm you like best, regardless of whether you've received such a call from them?

What is a Choade?

If you've waited this long to accept, you deserve to be unemployed in the fall of '10.

>it took MysTTTal over an hour to steal the Law Blog's story. WTF is he doing?

Eating. It takes a while to wipe that much Krispy Kreme grease off your fingers to be able to type.

This board has become infested with xoxo trash--time to start red-tagging and banning the ignorant gabage before they sink this board just like they sunk AutoAdmit.

63- especially when you have a keyboard made out of M&M's

While this may be a "real" issue, it is no where near as problematic as the incessant whining of law students who feel overly entitled.
If you do not have offers, then STFU, stop spending your time on legal blogs, and start studying.
If you have offers and have not accepted, then STFU, accept the best offer you have, and move on.
If you waited until the last day to accept your offer, then STFU, and when the summer starts, stand out by producing the BEST work every time (and continue to STFU).
Regardless of the economy, law is an inherently competitive profession. I think we all need to accept this, STFU, and adjust accordingly.
Now, it is time for me STFU and get back to work.

Choate has a long history of dicking recruits over. Choate is the new Testa Hurwitz, be careful.

Why does 66 keep insisting that we Sell Those Fart Umbrellas?!

64--And sadly, the increase in the "ignorant garbage" in thhe comments has coincided directly with the stunning decrease in journalistic quality on this blog. Not only has the writing itself become a great deal worse than it was when Lat was EIC, but ATL now routinely gets scooped on stories it would have been the one to break a year ago, and it also keeps posting essentially the same stories on topics that aren't that interesting to begin with. The whole thing is very, very sad.

It hasn't been formally reported by my firm, but I have personally called summer candidates who have offers and told them that they are wise to look elsewhere. This is where the term "cold calling" comes from.

66--STFU.

It hasn't been formally reported by my firm, but I have personally called summer candidates who have offers and told them that they are wise to look elsewhere. This is where the term "cold calling" comes from.

57,

It's not the market that has kept you from getting work.... Its the T40 part.

I am a 2L at a T-17 school with 3-4 offers, and still can't decide -- NALP says we have 45 days, so that is how much time we have and I plan to use it to make the best decision I can. Any firm that goes back on their offer is opening itself up to a huge lawsuit, and they don't want that, so they will stand by their word.

Whatever. the people who get dicked over by Choate can just go back to their silver spoons.

If Choate doesn't let me accept my offer, they will see me in court. It wll be a good experience for myself...and them.

>>We have been consistently encouraging 2Ls to accept their offers sooner rather than later. Many career services departments have echoed that advice

To be fair, I'm pretty sure that the fine folks of the UPenn State Law School were the first ones to give this advice to their students. Don't take too much credit with that statement.

"According to the WSJ Law Blog, White & Case claims ignorance over why Michigan would sent out this email:"

Do you mean "SEND" or "WOULD SEND." You are a joke.

"According to the WSJ Law Blog, White & Case claims ignorance over why Michigan would sent out this email:"

Do you mean "why Michigan SENT" or "why Michigan WOULD SEND"? You are a joke.

74- I guess you go to a T-17 law school that doesn't offer a basic Contracts class, because an offer can be revoked any time before it is accepted - you have not entered into a contract with the firm. And last time I checked, NALP provides GUIDELINES that aren't legally binding on anybody. Don't be an idiot.

74 -

You are going to sue a firm over NALP guidelines and not holding an offer open for you? You truly are a law student. You are in for a rude awakening wherever you land.

78, your 79 post just PWNED yourself.

Ditto what 80 said. Sheesh, TTT.

I agree with 25. I seriously doubt firms are going to keep track of who accepted summer offers late and who accepted them early and use that a criteria for determining who gets offers to come back and who doesn't.

That said, inside info that a firm is over-subscribed is useful to those who have not accepted an offer. It's a warning that the firm will fall (possibly) far short of a 100% offer rate, and that there will inevitably be some fierce competition.

People who accepted offers earlier are actually disadvantaged because they didn't know they were joining an over-subscribed class.

74-you are truly delusional.

Katten Muchin has made these calls as well...

74:
Even if you have a case, which I suspect you don't, why would you even let it come to that? You're seriously going to start wasting time and money pursuing litigation when you could just sack up and make a decision?

That's why the first words out of my mouth when they pick up the phone will be "I ACCEPT!" I won't give them time to revoke.

So brilliant attorneys (80/81) -- enlighten me: what is the point of NALP's 45-day rule if not to bind the law firms for a period during which OFFERS CANNOT BE REVOKED (check your contracts book -- looks like it has been too many years for you).

At least I know there will be extra spots for me once they fire you for contractual ineptitudeness.

-74

i'm not worried because the weather is fabulous and career services tells me that ucla is the best school in LA! what is this white+case? does it have its own building like paul hastings? hee!

-ignorant LA 2L

*blushes at being in title, could this be a sign of more successes to come?*

*gives elie bear hug while secretly slipping resume in his back pocket*

-nervous T-10 1L

What is it that the students don't get about the situation? I hear every firm in New York is oversubscribed, that's why career services offices are trying to get you to make a decision. The problem with the email is that it just picked one firm -- they're all trying to get you to accept somewhere else.

Oh, and cold call comes from headhunters who call to recruit people without introductions, hence the term cold call. Has nothing to do with what you are doing.

So brilliant attorneys (80/81) -- enlighten me: what is the point of NALP's 45-day rule if not to bind the law firms for a period during which OFFERS CANNOT BE REVOKED (check your contracts book -- looks like it has been too many years for you).

At least I know there will be extra spots for me once they fire you for contractual ineptitudeness.

-74

ineptitudeness?

Serious question: Does anyone know how much money one can make as a legal recruiter?

I worked in software sales throughout college and for a few years after, and it was pretty lucrative.

I'm not going to stay in BIGLAW until I'm one of those people who wakes up one morning fat, miserable, 37, no social life...... My firm has been great, but I've lost my interest in working 70 hours a week and capturing all my time. I've got to get out of an hourly system and back to one that pays commission.

So if you have any knowledge of recruiters/recruiting/etc, please spill it here. Thanks.

Locke Lord.

74
1. The above posters are right when they say that an offer can be rescinded at any point prior to acceptance unless there is some kind of consideration (i.e. downpayment, etc.) backing a promise (aka contract) to withhold the offer until a specific date. NALP Guidelines do not provide an exception to that rule.
2. If you, or anyone else, actually sued anyone in BigLaw for rescinding offers you would be black-balled, and do more harm to your career than any number of rescinded offers could.

Done

William Ayers

74,

In addition to failing contracts, do you think your future career prospects might be slightly affected by suing a law firm?

White & Case needs to focus on giving full-time offers to capable summer associates rather than this misguided notion that anything less than a 100% offer percentage will harm the firm.

74, that is really stupid. I hope you're not coming to my firm...

74-
Like I said, NALP provides guidelines, not rules. When I was given one of my offers, I asked the recruiting director when I needed to get back to them (this info wasn't in the offer letter). He said, and I quote, "There is no official date. Whenever you've made a decision. Some students use the NALP 45 days."
ps- even if you're right, do you really want to be remembered as the kid who sued the firm? Is that a graceful way to a) get into the summer class and b) get a post-grad offer?

74 and 93-not only are you delusional, but you are a complete ass-hat too.

I am on my way to the courthouse now to file the following actions against Elie Mystal and ATL.

1. Tortious interference with business relationships (backed by speculation that Mystal himself has elevated HLS status in the job market by creating rampant fear);
2. Intentional inflication of emotional distress (for a 7, and probably more, part series highlighting even further reason why we should all be very nervous and afraid)

I'd like to make it a class action if possible; anyone interested in joining (no, not you nervous T-10 1L)

I agree completely with 74's analysis, and suggest that he or she immediately begin litigation against all of these law firms.

I hate to be the guy defending the firms here, but here goes: Firm X extends multiple offers in August and early September. The offerees have not yet accepted as of the end of October. Firm X's finances take a major tumble in mid-September along with the rest of the nation.

Is it really that unthinkable that the firm would have to retract some of those offers? Of course, any firm doing so would be excoriated, but that's not even what's supposedly happening. Instead, they're just trying to keep yields down by discretely informing the offerees that they're doing poorly and might not have a spot for him or her come Fall 2009. Do we really expect that the firms annouce to the world that they've hit rock bottom and will be shuttering their offices to all new-comers???

It's fine to post about this, but it seems to me from the description of the practice that those for whom this really matters (the offerees) have been informed of the situation.

100:

Are you at Choate? Because i will be at your firm then!

Inflication = infliction
Wow, Elie's continual spelling and grammar errors are rubbing off.

103

74 is obviously joking. no arrogant 2L is that stupid. oh, wait...

74 is obviously joking. no arrogant 2L is that stupid. oh, wait...

-former [arrogant] 2L

74 and 93-not only are you delusional, but you are a complete ass-hat too.

I agree with 84. Summer classes will be oversubscribed, firms are going to be more willing than usual to no-offer, and there will be some more competition than usual as a result. Performance will certainly matter more than the timing of your acceptance.

I think 74 is trolling all of the people who responded to his comment. Surely he cannot be that completely incompetent. On the other hand, 74 did go to a "T17" school; who knows what the hell that is anyways.

i'm nervous about the rash in my ass and mouth after sleeping over at mystal's last night

nervous t-10 1L

So these Accept Your Offer threads have scared me into accepting 5 offers. Will there be consequences to turning them down in April after i figure out which firms are still standing/in good health????

"White & Case joins Proskauer as one of the firm that has been "outed" as telling people that they should look elsewhere for offers"

Elie, did you even bother to read the Michigan email? That's not at all what it says. It says W & C has a particularly large class and might be oversubscribed. It does not say they are telling people to look elsewhere for offers. This blog is such a freaking joke.

93- Good luck with that argument. It sounds interesting, and you may be onto something. However, you'll have to sue your potential employer in a very public fashion before you find out if you're right. Have fun.

74 et al:

Actually, were we operating solely in the field of contract, you might have some recourse under the doctrine of promissory estoppel / detrimental reliance. If you turned down other offers because you were relying on the White & Case offer, then you might have a claim. BUT, this is not purely a contractual question. It's also an employment law question. Would the court look at this as a contractual issue or an employment law issue? I say the later. And we live in an employment at-will society. The firm can state that (1) it hired you (2) it immediately fired you. In such a scenario, you have no recourse.

"White & Case joins Proskauer as one of the firm that has been "outed" as telling people that they should look elsewhere for offers"

Elie, did you even bother to read the Michigan email? That's not at all what it says. It says W & C has a particularly large class and might be oversubscribed. It does not say they are telling people to look elsewhere for offers. This blog is such a freaking joke.

I think 74 is a total troll, I think he made up his scenario just to perpetuate this thread which has already been way overdone (six times overdone, in fact), so that he has something to read in his Family Law class. I think this because anybody who is still sitting on offers right now and does not go to Harvard is a F*ING IDIOT.

Wow, I wish I'd had multiple BIGLAW offers after my 2L year at a T14 in 2002. Or even one offer. Damn law school.

T17 school = school ranked 17th by USNWR. Why not just say top 20 if you're trying to make us guess? And p.s., no one brags about their school's rankings unless they go to a T14.

Massachusetts is not an at-will employment state. They have an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. Choate told me they were honoring offers when i turned others down.

They WILL see me in court and i don't care i'm blacklisted.

"If I must choose between righteousness and peace I choose righteousness."- T.R.

i'm nervous about the rash in my ass and mouth after sleeping over at mystal's last night

nervous t-10 1L

56 - yes, they will. Just work your ass off over the summer and it probably won't be make-or-break. If someone is close to the fence stuff like that can come up, but it isn't the first thing we look at.

74 / 93 - NALP's provisions are guidelines, they are not rules. And yes, I would very much like to see you try to sue any firm for pulling back offers - that would be very entertaining. Finally, "ineptitudeness" is not a word -- looks like you're really ready to write some contracts given your obvious ineptitude.

122-
wait, so why didn't you ACCEPT that offer before turning the others down?

74, you're a fucking moron and I hope you end up in an oversubscribed class and everyone remembers that your dumb ass was the last one to accept. Have fun trying to play catch-up all summer, asshat.

My friends, I know that White & Case may have over-offered. I know that. But we can't go looking to other firms to solve our problems. We need to except those offers anyway because Barack Obama might be a socialist.

-John McCain

HEY IDIOTS.

ELIE IS OBVIOUSLY THE NERVOUS T10 1L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TO ALL CHOATE OFFEREES:

If you are denied your spot at choate, get in contact with me at choatesucks@yahoo.com. We will start a class action.

Ths is gonna be BIG!

-74

p.s. i hope someone knows how to write a complaint.

I'm surprised no one else from white and case has commented on this thread, but I talked to some people here who would know, and they said that the WSJ post was bull.

Of course we're oversubscribed, but no one is getting rescinded. Plus, it's a point of pride not to no-offer to excess (see last summer). And the financial situation of the firm is better than most peer firms, since we didn't do much structured finance or M&A.

Just sayin'.

I would love to see 74 actually sue a firm. It would make an interesting ATL thread and then we could all laugh at him when he goes down in flames. It is also probably unlikely that he would even be able to handle the litigation costs. Unless he went pro se in which case the story would be even better. And once you do that it is really unlikely that you are going to get a job anywhere, maybe ACORN I hear anyone can work for them.

now all the choate people will accept at mintz- hahaha

Things are getting worse by the day. Who would think we'd be reading about White & Case struggling. I would rather just accept an offer or find a job elsewhere on Outlines.com and sleep better at night.

I agree with 129.

Nervous T10 1L is Elie's alter-ego on the comments section.

hey 66, i agree!

STFU nervous T-10 1L!!!

74/93/122
Even assuming you are right that Massachusetts has an "implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing," making not a strictly at-will employment state (I honestly don't know because I don't practice in the NE), the at-will employment doctrines and, thereby, the implied covenant of which you speak does not apply to your situation. You have not yet accepted the offer, meaning no employment relationship has yet been created.

As to 117, the same to you, in that I doubt any claim would be analyzed under employment law doctrine, for the same reason, there is, as yet, no employment relationship.

And, yes, I proudly mangled the grammar in my post.

137

demonstrate reasonable reliance you 1 offer tools!!!

too bad, you lose

77 = moron of the thread award

(and an obvious Duke Law grad)

I just called one of my firm's at lunch to make sure that they are not going to revoke my offer. From the hiring partner I spoke to:
"Well, we would still love you to join us, and we always appreciate you making that decision sooner rather than later."

So there (as if I needed to prove my case any more), the offer is NON-revokable. And by the way, this was from a T-7 firm.

-74

141=TTT

Two comments:

1) As it regards White & Case, I'd bet this has a lot to do with their excessively large summer class in New York last summer. Assuming that a large percentage of those offerees accepted (which would have been happening throughout this recruiting season), that very well might have had an impact on this class. That assumes, of course, a degree of ineptitude in managing their own numbers. As we can see from an industry-wide view, however, that would hardly be a bad assumption.

2) Okay, Elie. I accepted a damn offer somewhere in the 6-hour interval between iterations 57 and 58 of this series. Most folks at my school have decided. It's time to retire this series. At this point, the only people still sitting on offers are either not going to be persuaded by a few more reminders, or go to schools with very late OCIs, in which case they have apparently already been sent emails by their Career Services offices. We have all now been subjected to those emails. Since you are apparently a fan of "A Few Good Men, " I will conclude thusly: "The witness is aware, the Court is aware, and now the jury is aware. We thank you for bringing this to our attention. Move on."

77 = moron of the thread award

(and an obvious Duke Law grad)

74,
Under what faulty system of logic is the statement you quoted supportive of your overall point that the offer is non-revokable by operating of law?
All it says is that the firm is still holding your offer. It does not speak to the reason, unless you are leaving a key part of that conversation out.

As if we needed to prove our case any more that you suffer from a disease call--"ineptitudeness"

ELIE is Nervous T10 1L

Yesterday I asked who the fuck "Locke Lord" is.

Today, I am laughing at the concept of something called "Northeastern Law School."

74/141-
Ok, the joke is over. Now we KNOW you are a troll. There's now way you would have called the hiring partner and made an ass out of yourself by asking that question, and even if you did, there's no way you could possibly interpret his answer as indicating that the offer is non-revokable. Seriously, if this is a joke, it's over. If it's not, realize that you just took a partner away from his work only to make a shitty impression on him by perpetuating your indecisiveness and lack of enthusiasm for the firm.

141, how does that prove anything?

I am done with this thread now. Thanks to all for providing me an entertaining break with your earnest responses. Some outstanding "ineptidudeness" here.

-74

LOL at the Michigan 2L who forwarded this *obviously personal* email to ATL. Way to get yourself blackballed by 1) Career Services 2) every law firm that finds out who you are.

74, that does not mean that the offer is non-revocable at all. It simply means that as of right now the offer has not been revoked. There is a difference. If that firm decided tomorrow to rescind your offer they could. There would be no repercussions for them except some bad press. And given the economic situation, the amount of bad press they would get is arguable. I am part of the hiring group at my firm and we have been through this. We are not rescinding offers at this point but we all generally came to the consensus that we could. 137 is right, no employment relationship has been established at this point. I pray that some dumb 2L tries to bring this argument our way if we do make the decision to rescind. Our employment/labor law group is very good and they would crush you.

The hiring partner just called around and everyone agrees that I am an asshat. I am probably going to work all summer and then not get an offer because I insist on making an ass of myself to the hiring partner.

-74

I wonder how many different 74s there are.

NYC -- Skadden or Kirkland?

Ok, 74, get back to your Family Law class. I hear those Legalines outlines are only so helpful.

I'm a Michigan 2L who rejected other offers in large part because of this series, and a prior e-mail from career services telling us to accept our offers if we liked a firm.

I of course accepted at White & Case NY. I was a bit worried about their huge class size last year, but decided they weren't likely to make that mistake twice in a row. I figured they'd just made a bunch fewer offers this year.

Wish Ms. Guindi had sent this e-mail to me, rather than to just the other 2L...

Well, you live and you learn. And then you work as a contract attorney.

20 - this is a real e-mail that was sent.

Cheer up 157, I have a feeling that email was from last year.

117 = 1L douche in the middle of outlining for his contracts final thinking he's a lawyer.

*sits in bed naked reading Chemerinsky , vomits onto self*

- nervous T-10 1L

I am on my way to the courthouse now to file the following actions against Elie Mystal and ATL.

1. Tortious interference with business relationships (backed by speculation that Mystal himself has elevated HLS status in the job market by creating rampant fear);
2. Intentional infliction of emotional distress (for a 7, and probably more, part series highlighting even further reason why we should all be very nervous and afraid)

I'd like to make it a class action if possible; anyone interested in joining (no, not you nervous T-10 1L)

Still need people to join the class.

74,

Are you ready to review what you learned about summary judgment in your 1st year Civ Pro class?

The link to "prior ATL coverage" is actually a link to WSJ law blog. Sigh.

155 - skadden. the lifestyle sucks and the people are douches, but for NYC, that's the big leagues and kirkland is not.

I'm nervous that Breaking Media will fire me because of how much the readers seem to hate me.

- Nervous ATL blogger

Alston and Bird Atlanta is now encouraging people to look elsewhere.... just got my call

Alston and Bird Atlanta just called and encouraged me to accept an offer elsewhere.

A+B is always oversubscribed and gives cold offers

Winston and Strawn (LA) did this to a friend of mine.

Are any SF firms oversubscribed? I would think with Thelen and Heller gone, the market is tight (plus we know Harvard 2Ls still want jobs there)

Morgan Lewis (NY) is "substantially over-subscribed" according to my friend who had an offer from them (verbatim quote from firm). They also had something like 15+ offers still outstanding. I know they royally fucked up, but their yield rate must be terrible if they make so many offers even in a down economy.

She got a phone call from the firm as well.

155- Kirkland for litigation, IP, and private equity. Skadden for everything else.

Why are firms expected to give offers to everyone in their summer class? Does spending 3 hours in callback interviews alone provide such perfect information about a law student's ability to succeed at the firm?

If the reason behind summer associate programs is to let law students evaluate the firm, why don't firms offer shorter summer programs to allow students to experience 3-4 different firms? Are partners worried that summers might find out their firm is worse than their competitors? How can students make real evaluations of firms based on a few hours of BS talk with partners and a sole summer associate gig? "Yeah my summer at [Firm X] sucked, but it might have been worse at another firm, so I'll stick with the only firm I have information about." Even if the student wanted to join a different firm, the near-complete lack of 3L recruiting by firms makes the 2L firm a student's lone shot at biglaw. No wonder so many lawyers are unhappy and turnover is so high.

Firms have another new trick to encourage offerees to look elsewhere. In the past, 2Ls with offers who were not interested in the firm would simply ignore the firm's phone calls and inquiries. Now, firms are not calling candidates back or responding to their inquiries. They are not surprised when the student decides to go elsewhere.

JUST ACCEPTED MY OFFER V5 !! YAY

(i felt the 7th post reminding me to accept was enough!)

Okay, serious question.

If you've accepted an offer and something better comes along, is it career suicide to skip out on the first acceptance?

The Boston firm that rescinded offers was Nutter McLennan & Fish... unless there were more.

Choate (Hall & Stewart) called 2Ls telling them they were oversubscribed.

#175 - One of the big 3 magic circle firms in NY did that to a friend of mine. Was unable to allow the 2L a second look at the firm - any time during a one week period. Naturally, that 2L decided to go elsewhere.

Was that just coincidence and a bad week or another sly tactic designed to discourage an additional acceptance? I would bet on the latter, and good for them as well as W&C.

As commented above, every firm is doing this to try and keep their numbers down and that can't but help those summers that get into that smaller class.

Any other Boston firms rescinding/"cold" calling?

181: rumors on ATL say Ropes is oversubscribed.

What firms in Minneapolis are doing well enough that they would be a good choice?

Same thing is going on at Bingham in Palo Alto

i went to law school for the sole purpose of working at Nutter, not because its a great firm, just want to be part of the Nutter team

Any other Boston cold-calls?

183-

Fish & Richardson has an office in Minneapolis. No, I don't work there. Just remember seeing that they pay 160k in Minneapolis and thinking to myself you could live like a king there for 160k/yr.

My roomate had offers at both Ropes and Wilmer - said both were unenthusiastic and encouraged her to "consider carefully" all of her offers. Not exactly "cold offer" territory, but she definitely did not like the vibe. Called and accepted at Goodwin immediately instead.

My roomate had offers at both Ropes and Wilmer - said both were unenthusiastic and encouraged her to "consider carefully" all of her offers. Not exactly "cold offer" territory, but she definitely did not like the vibe. Called and accepted at Goodwin immediately instead.

Ropes is a sinking ship right now. 2009 SAs should consider keeping some options open.

190 -- what do you base that on?

Friends with a senior associate at Ropes. Apparently too many acceptances for next summer already (in nyc and boston at least). Firm will likely do no offers next summer but no more than 20% or so, so most will be safe.

190 - based on continually huge summer classes and defensive marketing (we've seen that before). I predict they give all offers (to maintain status with snarky law students), then pare down size later (performance reviews, document review out the a** until attorneys quit, the like)

Boston- Nutter
NY- McDermott

Just in case anyone is still actually reading this, perhaps we can stop giving ATL shit about being alarmist.

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