Poor guy. What did he ever do to deserve this?

Convicted of armed robbery? Apparently in Las Vegas they take a dim view of bandits with two arms.

I feel bad for the juice. Man he was just trying to get his sh*t back...

Wow, I can't believe I'm defending OJ but this is BS. They threw the book at him not because of what happened in Vegas but because they believe he got away with murder 13 years ago. Why else would they rush to put out the verdict at damn near midnight so it would be on the anniversary of his acquittal. They're probably going to send this guy to prison for the rest of his life for trying to get back his own sh*t that somebody stole from him. I know why they did it but it's so screwed up. I mean, don't give me a parking ticket just because you know I got away with speeding 13 years ago.

Any chance Ted Kennedy will get convicted of something on the 40th anniversary of Chappaquiddick? 07.18.09! We can do it!

5: And we should stop going after mob bosses for tax evasion!

Trying to get back his own sh*t? Don't you mean trying to get back *Fred Goldman's* own shit?

You've just been juiced.

Trying to get back his own sh*t? Don't you mean trying to get back his own shit? What a typo!

This is bullshit, but the trial is ready for plenty of appeals. Delivering the verdict close to midnight just to get in the books 13 years later wont' help. Prosecutors excluded all black people from the jury (ding 1), judge failed to exclude witnesses that displayed bias (investigating officer said 'CA couldn't do it, but we'll get him while he was 'investigating the crime' [ding 2]), and I'm sure i'm forgetting a few but a couple of times watching or reading the trial I though wtf?

Mark this, it ain't over for the juice.

What is the minimum sentence?

This country is so racist: they go after O.J. for just trying to get his stuff back "while black," but they let all the real criminals roam free to commit other crimes.

6 - You are right on.

Ted Kennedy should be convicted of reckless homicide. Is there a statute of limitations on it?

Maybe he was found guilty because he is guilty.

hmm poor guy trying to get back his shit?...with guns...

Hey OJ, next time call the police instead of being a vigilante. We know you haven't had a nice rush since your last killings, but come on, learn a little.

11: When you say the prosecutors excluded "all" black people from the jury, what you mean is they excluded two black jurors. One of the black jurors was excluded because she said she would have a problem sending anyone to jail. She might as well have been a vegetarian 2L going on a callback lunch to Capital Grille and ordering just the salad. Ding!

The prosecutor also claimed a race neutral reason for the second black juror (strong religious inclination towards forgiveness). That one might have just been a pretext, but it's not going to be enough to get the verdict overturned, especially when there are 2 (out of 6) black alternate jurors.

I didn't do too well in evidence, and didn't take crim pro, but I don't think you have to exclude biased witnesses. The witness can testify, and then the defense can attempt to impeach the witness by showing the bias.

The real question isn't whether he did it, but rather if he gets off...will he be a presenter at the next BET awards?

RACE WAR! RACE WAAAAAAR!

Why would a black juror have mattered? Do blacks look at evidence with a different set of standards? Or are you saying that a black on the jury would have never voted for guilt when the defendant is black?

I sent gift baskets to hiring partners at the firms I want an SA position with. Do you think that's going too far?

Nervous T-10 1L

#18 - you obviously don't work in criminal law.

REPLEVIN, MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU FILE SUIT FOR IT?

Instead of holding a guy up at gunpoint?

11 -- I see some possible errors here, but there are errors in every criminal trial. I don't see REVERSIBLE error here, which is the important issue. Moreover, the Nevada Supreme Court (there is no intermediate appellate court for felonies), which is elected, isn't going to go out of its way to find reversible errors where they're arguable at best (e.g., do you really think the Nevada Supreme Court will find that there was no non-pretextual race-neutral explanation for the prosecution's excluding just two black jurors?). The Nevada Supremes are all elected in statewide elections, and they have to run every six years. Nevada is a pretty conservative state, especially on crime and punishment issues, and its voters are predominantly white or hispanic. I don't think there's a chance in hell the Juice prevails on appeal.

OJ, just leave the country. You should have done this years ago... If Micheal Jackson can figure it out, so can you.

I am inclined to agree with 22. There will be(esp. if OJ still has any $$ left) appeals filed most likely over jury instructions, witness objections, etc.. but it does not appear as if any errors found could result in reversal/remand in such a conservative state. Anyone see any solid Abuse of Discretion claims?

2- "What did he ever do to deserve this?". HA! Maybe killing two people 13 years ago, dodging out of paying for the wrongful death settlement, robbing and kidnapping some more people at gunpoint? Naw. It's just the oppressive white system working against us po' black folk. Karma truly is a bitch.

18: Ever heard of "stop snitching"?

I don't understand. All OJ did was engage in extralegal remedies. That just means what is did is more legal than suing to get his stuff back. How can something that's more legal than the legal option be a crime?

RACE WAR!

25 - ever hear of sarcasm?

14: The statute of limitations for reckless homocide is 90 days from the date you become a Kennedy.

22 beat me to it. Appeals will go nowhere with the NV high court. Was he overcharged? Of course.

But, for all you "brilliant" BigLaw cogs crying injustice, realize that if this was a law school exam (one of the few things you might actually be good at) you'd have made the same arguments as the State and ultimately concluded (under same facts and law) he was guilty on all counts. So give the prosecutors some credit for doing their job. And suck it.

These pretzels are making me thirty-firsTTTy.

21 --- that's some cold ass sh%t to say before busting a cap in someone's ass.

20 -No, I don't work in criminal law. Please educate me.

The Juice is no longer loose.

Elie, you are just terrible at spelling. "sh%t"? I think you mean "shit."

33 must not litigate either. Or at least has never had to deal with "homefield advantage." See also judicial hellholes.

And 11, what is this bullshit, the judge is going to rule on the credibility of witnesses and "exclude" them if he finds that they are not credible? What exactly did you get for grades in Crim and Evidence?

How could you not work in a Palin slam into this story ? Next time try harder.

25 you clearly need to meditate more often.

For those making a feeble attempt at race baiting, note this: like most of America, it is very likely that most black people in America could give a rat's ass about the fate of OJ Simpson. Mystyle, you should verify this Jesse and Uncle Al.

He should definitely get what he deserves for breaking the law in Nevada. But what's with all this karma and payback-talk for a charge he beat 13 years ago? Aren't most of you fuckers lawyers?

Anyone else notice how this site used to feature advertising from lateral-link and other professional services, and now features bar review advertisements? I wonder what that means....

You posted this at 7:30 am on a Saturday Lat? You don't work at Wachtell anymore. Get some sleep.

18, 33 - I'm pretty sure 20 would refer you to Baston v. Kentucky, 476 U.S. 79 (1986).

Elie, since you're a "lawyer" can you explain to me why you were happy OJ got off on the murder charge, because a cop was racist? Murderers should be acquitted so society can learn racist cops are bad? Or is this more of your subtle humor?

Elie represents everything that is wrong with this country.

Seriously, Lat. Mystal is a clown and he has to go.

Mystal -- please substantiate your claim that if a white guy, today, held up two others in a hotel room at gun point, he would get off.

Until then, SHUT THE F*&% UP!

An appellate prosecutor here.

In my state, the transcripts note the time of day that the jury leaves/comes back, etc. It's not at all uncommon for juries to deliberate into the late hours. What generally happens is that unless the closing arguments/instructions conclude right at closing time, the judge will send the jury into deliberations--and then give them the choice of whether to leave, or instead keep deliberating. More often than not, juries will choose to keep deliberating, just so they don't have to come back the next day.

The fact that this happened to be the 13 anniversary is most likely an accidental quirk. I'm sure someone noticed it somewhere along the way, but it would have always been subject to the actual time needs of the trial and the wishes of the jury.

# 46 again:

In fact, I'm working on an appeal right now where the jury started deliberating at 6 pm and returned with a verdict at 1:30 am.

I'd be curious if any other criminal lawyers out there have had similar experiences.

Everyones meal ticket just got sent up the river. Riccio should be along for the ride.

"I was happy that he got off back then, Fuhman was a racist cop and I was happy that "society" learned that there is no justice when racist cops are involved."

How far does your head have to be up your ass to be glad that a murder gets off? Putting aside the moral issues for a second, if we were going to acquit every defendant charged with crimes investigated by racist police departments, then there would be no convictions anywhere.

Is the logical extension of your argument just too inconvenient for you to consider or do you simply not care that your argument makes no fucking sense? You're indignant!! HE IS A RACIST!!!! Who the fuck needs logic when you're marching to the beat of the race war drums?

Do you crazy liberals really believe two wrongs make a right? Even the simplest child understands why that is wrong.

Of course, some idiot is going to make this irrelevant counterpoint: "OMG BUT WHAT ABOUT EXCLUSION, PROCEDURAL JUSTICE???!?" And then all the other idiots will think that because these remedies exist then ANY remedy is justified. Def is black? Acquittal. Must fight racist at any cost. You are idiots.

I don't understand how Lat can tolerate this bullshit.

FIRE racist Elie Mystal!

Mystal needs to spend some time in western states...try Washington, Oregon and California. About as liberal as they come.

Mystal has his head up his fat ass.

Furman may be a racist cop, but OJ is a murderer, and Elie is a fucking idiot.

Society is way more entertaining with the Juice a free man. Now he'll be locked away and can't get into any more crazy antics for us to read about. Definite bummer.

Elie,

please come to Las Vegas and -- along with armed thugs -- try to liberate memorabilia linked to your competitive eating victories.

Then hire aTTTention whore attorneys to defend you.

A) It's Fuhrman. Not sure who this "Fuhman" character is. Once again, CHECK YOUR POSTS.

B) So Elie believes that O.J. was actually guilty but the jury correctly acquitted him because Fuhrman was racist: jury nullification? Elie clearly believes that guilty violent criminals should be acquitted because it is good for the community overall (HA).

I really don't appreciate the offensive and moronic editorializing on this story, from someone who claims to be a lawyer. I think this Elie character is a complete idiot. And this website has completely lost its edge thanks to him.

Okaaaaay... so for Elie Racism > Murder. Interesting. Can't wait to see what justice will look like with people like him in charge. Oh wait... just 30 more days. Expect racists to be serving life sentences and murderers to do some community service (like teaching tolerance classes or the like).

Go f*ck yourself Mystal. Happy that a murderer walks the streets because a cop involved was/is racist? Incredible.

Drink apple juice, OJ will kill you!

Who knew so many jurors comment on ATL...?

Mystal is a fat pile of shit. Try this experiment - only read the posts that don't have Mystal in the byline. Notice how your perception of the site improves.

Free O.J. Let's be honest white people get away with murder all the time... George Bush....

You are only racist when you offend white people....OMG

WTF?! You're happy he got off for MURDERING two people because some cop is racist? You, piece of shit, are a poor excuse for a lawyer.

Please do not fire Elie for his racist comments. Firing Elie would be something that a liberal would do and I would hate to see Elie treated in the manner that his own politics would require. Instead, we're all adults here and Elie is entitled to be racist, partisan and bigoted and shouldn't have to fear for his job because most people disagree with him.

65: actually, I think keeping an incompetent boob on the payroll would be more typical of liberals (e.g., academics, govt).

Funny how everyone has reduced the entire OJ Simpson murder trial to a racist cop - blood meant nothing, motive, DNA, etc. OJ got off because of a racist cop. Wow.

But can anyone explain to me how one guy killed two people and NO BODY saw or heard a thing?

Also, can someone tell me how a person can be accused of robbery when you are trying to retrieve your own shit? I guess only bounty hunters and repo men have the Right to take shit back by force. Wow.

Funny how everyone has reduced the entire OJ Simpson murder trial to a racist cop - blood meant nothing, motive, DNA, etc. OJ got off because of a racist cop. Wow.

But can anyone explain to me how one guy killed two people and NO BODY saw or heard a thing?

Also, can someone tell me how a person can be accused of robbery when you are trying to retrieve your own shit? I guess only bounty hunters and repo men have the Right to take shit back by force. Wow.

68-no one reduced the verdict to a racist cop. Elie excused the verdict, because he thinks a murderer should get off because of a racist cop. The explanation for the verdict is due to the race (or racism) of the jury. And for you to somehow imply the verdict was correct because there weren't witnesses to the actual murder is astounding. Truly.

Your second questions displays an even more astounding lack of legal knowledge. No, you cannot by force take back what you claim is your property. That's what the courts are for, moron. Sure, blunt force may be more effective, but it's still illegal.

The verdict was correct because a jury who actually was there for the trial and heard all of the evidence could not accuse the man of the crime beyond a resonable doubt. Even today you have a reasonable doubt because you can't explain how one man killed two people without .... whatever.

Look, you don't know who killed Nicole Simpson so I have to ask you what are you basing your assumption on?

So I guess courts are the only remedy when you have been robbed? So you mean to tell me if I had my car stolen and I happened to stumble upon my car after searching for it, I should wait for a court to tell me that I can take it back? So basically, the person who stole my shit has legal right to it until notified otherwise by a judge. And if a person doesn't have legal right to my property why do i need the permission of court to get it back?

I'm the moron, but you're the one advocating due process for thieves. Yikes.

The verdict was correct because a jury who actually was there for the trial and heard all of the evidence could not accuse the man of the crime beyond a resonable doubt. Even today you have a reasonable doubt because you can't explain how one man killed two people without .... whatever.

Look, you don't know who killed Nicole Simpson so I have to ask you what are you basing your assumption on?

So I guess courts are the only remedy when you have been robbed? So you mean to tell me if I had my car stolen and I happened to stumble upon my car after searching for it, I should wait for a court to tell me that I can take it back? So basically, the person who stole my shit has legal right to it until notified otherwise by a judge. And if a person doesn't have legal right to my property why do i need the permission of court to get it back?

I'm the moron, but you're the one advocating due process for thieves. Yikes.

Ditto on what 56 said. That's some of the most idiotic editorial commentary I've ever seen.

I was confused at first, because after all, the post carries Lat's byline.

Lat, lest you be confused with this moron, may I suggest you pull back on his reigns a bit?

Who is Ellie?

Mystal is an idiot and a race-baiter.

Yeah, man, this country is like, so rashist. It was good that OJ got off for brutally murdering his wife and lover back in the day, because, like, Mark Furman was a rashist cop. He said the "N" word like ten years before the trial in a tape recorded conversation - which means he was an obvious rashist who obviously single-handedly controlled a rashist witch hunt to convict a black man to happened to be guilty as sin on all the evidence. It didn't matter that the LAPD chief was black - he was powerless to stop Furman's rashist motives from coming to fruition. Thank God for Johnny "this isn't about race" Cochrane, may he rest in peace, the last ethical defense lawyer in the bar. Were it not for him, the jury might have actually paid attention to the overwhelming evidence of conclusive guilt and put O.J. behind bars where he belongs.

Elie, have you lost your mind? For real this time? Jesus Christ, even members of the original OJ jury have all but conceded they engaged in jury nullification in order to avoid a Rodney King situation. For the love of God, O.J. is a flthy murderer. And now he's a convicted armed robber. Convicting him now based on the '94 murders may not be legally permissible, but it hardly offends the laws of karma.

"even members of the original OJ jury have all but conceded they engaged in jury nullification in order to avoid a Rodney King situation."

Did I miss this? When did this happen?

People keep talking about Karma, but no one can give me an explanation as to how one man killed two people and no one heard or saw anything.

Seems like all these cries of guilt are simple white hate.

If this was really all about 13 years ago, the jury wouldn't have found his co-defendant guilty on all counts too.

77, I hope your remark reeks of sarcasm and not of stupidity. If you think simple "white hate" is behind this, you have got to be out of your mind. Here is a man who beat his wife senseless before he killed her, and practically admitted to the deed afterward. If you had any, even the tiniest bit of experience with the psychology of batterers, you would recognize this as the completion of the work of a man who had beaten her half to death before.

Elie - I haven't said a word about your spelling, grammar, whatever. I've thought the complaints about you were over the top and ridiculous.

But being happy a murderer got off is just insane - whatever else you think was going on.

71/77, you're a nutcase. Yes - how could OJ possibly have killed two people without witnesses? I mean, never in the history of the world has anyone accomplished anything like that before. And if that argument made any sense at all, don't you think that at least one member of OJ's legal team would have made it to the jury?

And btw, if you see your stolen car, you have the right to take it. You *don't* have the right to gather a few of your friends, arm yourselves, and hold up the thieves at gunpoint. I'm not sure why you have a problem with this relatively simple concept.

71/71: It's not the job of the commentators here to explain basic legal principles to you. If it's not obvious to you why it's illegal to use force to retrieve "stolen" property then no amount of explanation is going to help.

Your absurd comments do serve a useful purpose though. They shed light on the kind of mindless fools that believe, as Ellie apparently does, that OJ should have been acquitted.

Hmm...could it be that he authored a book called "If I Did It"--a book that amounts to a confession of exactly how he committed the murders, and how he got away with it?

Could that be why so many people remain convinced he got away with murder?

Hmm...could it be that he authored a book called "If I Did It"--a book that amounts to a confession of exactly how he committed the murders, and how he got away with it?

Could that be why so many people remain convinced he got away with murder?

honestly, i feel the same way about OJ that Elie does. dude, was being honest.. and i can respect that.

77: Stupid mother-fucking moron.

Do you really believe that OJ couldn't have killed two people and had no witnesses, but the "real killer" could have? Or is it impossible for the "real killer" to have no witnesses too? And since there were no witnesses, I guess to you that means that even the "real killer" couldn't have done it. Shit! Those people must still be alive!

Speaking of the "real killer"...has OJ found him yet? Does he think the "real killer" is in Florida? Is that why he moved there? Is owing $1.5 million in taxes some sort of trap to lure in the "real killer"? What about the whole DirectTV piracy thing? That OJ Simpson is a sneaky bastard. I bet the "real killer" is in prison and OJ just committed the robbery so he could get into prison and hunt down the "real killer."

70 -

I would respond, but

71 -

Why bother?

MysTTTal

It is just fine for a man to beat his wife for years and viciously stab her and her boyfriend without mercy without punishment, as long as it makes a statement about racism.

I knew our country was more sexist than racist, but this is really scary.

@ 57-

"Expect racists to be serving life sentences and murderers to do some community service"
-Perhaps some "community organizing" to atone for their wrongs?

Suborn? WTF?!

"SUBORN"??????

Hey Elie, here's a law-related story I bet you won't be posting on any time soon:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A961948260

Hey, can we get that pic of Obama with the cigarette again? That was money.

MysTTTal = fatass illiterate affirmative action slug.

"I was happy that he got off back then, Fuhman was a racist cop and I was happy that "society" learned that there is no justice when racist cops are involved."

- Wow. I think it is pretty clear why you are not a practicing attorney. Anyways, I think this idiot just says things to rile up the readers on ATL to increase readership. We shouldn't take the bait .

Notice Elie doesn't think the proper response to the cop being racist was that the cop would get punished.

"but no one can give me an explanation as to how one man killed two people and no one heard or saw anything."

I'm confused, is the insinuation that Nicole and Goldman weren't murdered?

What $#&%ing difference does it make if one person did it, three people did it, or 30 people did it? How is that relevant as to whether there were non-involved witnesses?

Fire Mystal. Enough of this shit.

More stories about how Kash likes to eat meat (and pictures, too); fewer stories on Elie's hate for white America.

I really haven't been moved to say it before, but Elie really does suck. I'm sure Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson are glad that The Man was taught a lesson.

I'm so firsty, I need some JUICE!

47 -

Court reporters in my jurisdiction are very inconsistent about including in the transcript the time a jury is sent to the jury room and the time it returns. Sometimes the court reporter includes it, sometimes he or she doesn't.

Thanks to this no talent ass-clown Elie, I'm done with ATL. Thanks, Lat.

NOW is the time we need a Maverick. MAVERICK! MAVERICK! MAVERICK! MAVERICK! MAVERICK! MAVERICK! MAVERICK!

Has ATL fully embraced the policy of posting nonsense that will piss people off just to get page views and comments so they get paid? Last time I'm falling for this, no more comments from me. Elie's poor writing and support for the murder of innocent people to teach society a lesson and Hope Winters'...whatever the hell that crap she writes is...wont' be getting any more page views/comments from me.

105- So do you have any black friends?

It starts with giving Due Process to thieves . . . all a slippery slope from there. Next thing you know, you're giving it to terrorists.

The criminal justice system is profoundly stacked against poor blacks, and has been for decades. At one end of the spectrum, you have huge numbers of young blacks imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses; at the other you have truly racist communities and law enforcement that genuinely want to protect whites at the expense of blacks, or simply want to hurt blacks. These are the communities where lynchings and cross burnings go unpunished for decades or forever because the local society supported those actions in the first place.

With respect to the much larger problem of disproportionately punishing blacks for drug offenses, once in the system, regardless of how racially motivated the original "offense" was, these young offenders are locked into a world of starkly limited choices, and it seems just as easy to become a career criminal as it would be to redeem themselves in the eyes of a society that has already condemned them for something based largely on their skin color. If an arbitrary law was used as merely an excuse to incarcerate them in the first place, why should they have any trust or faith in the justice system, or the society that produced it? The net result is that we have a set of laws and law enforcement that disenfranchises these people from legal society.

Leaving aside the issue of use, let's look at trafficking. Drugs are primarily a market and economic issue. The percentage of people who use drugs and cannot handle drug habits responsibly is not tied directly to race. Furthermore, the market for illegal drugs, primarily marijuana and cocaine, exists, and cannot be stamped out. As long as the money is there to be made -- it is there, and always will be there -- the supply chain will always exist. As long as the supply chain exists, people will work for it. As long as the job of fulfilling drug demand is a dangerous business with wildly escalating criminal risks, it will always become more lucrative and more violent. As long as the illicit drug industry becomes more lucrative and violent, society will continue to deteriorate as a result, and people involved in the trade will be driven into a de facto underground society which exists to support the de facto black market. Meanwhile, the most disenfranchised and economically depressed people will feel the strongest pull towards that dangerous and lucrative game. Anyone who is disgusted by violent drug gangs or by the culture of criminality present in today's black ghettos, owes substantial thanks to drug prohibition for substantially helping to create those conditions.

If drug arrests and convictions mirrored anything approaching usage statistics -- with white marijuana and cocaine users being felonized (or otherwise convicted) at a rate matching the actual numbers of white marijuana and cocaine users -- then Federally mandated prohibition of these drugs would have ended well before the 1960's. Instead, blacks are targeted for drug offenses, and subjected to ridiculous searches in furtherance of this targeted goal. The violent crime resulting from prohibition laws is cited as evidence that "drugs are the scourge of the black community", with the tacit implication that it's a problem not substantially suffered by white communities, and the larger issue of widespread drug use among whites and other racial groups is swept under the rug. We are told that the government enforcement agencies just need more time and funding and eventually all the evil pot smokers and coke users will be locked up and society will be safe at last. And once all those black dealers -- filling a market role just as surely as any car salesman or check cashing store -- are locked up away from society, and their property seized, we'll be safe from the scourge of drugs.

It's all a crock of shit. Drug use is here to stay, among all racial groups. In most cases it is a private matter of personal responsibility. But it has been transformed by the law into an elaborate system of disenfranchisement and wealth redistribution. All you people who are slamming Elie should ask yourselves whether any of the moral burden of this problem belongs to you, insofar as you, your friends, or your family, may have the implicit expectation of being able to enjoy a drug habit safely and in private.

The same goes for all alcohol drinkers, many of whom would be packing heat and selling nips on street corners were we still under the yoke of Prohibition (note how it's a capitalized Dirty Word with respect to alcohol and That Awful Law That Denied It To Us). Some of you have undoubtedly cackled smugly to yourself upon hearing about a poor black kid that became a designated criminal after being arrested for possessing $20 worth of some green or white substance. And some probably think it's OK when a cop plants the drug because he knows the kid is a user or a dealer and wants to make sure he gets busted, or stops a teenager for jaywalking or some other ridiculous offense as a pretext for performing a search. Even if you're a teetotaler with only sober friends and family, you really have to ask yourself whether our drug policies and biased enforcement habits can be justified in any way whatsoever.

Moral of the story, OJ Simpson was just a bloody drop in a bloody fucking bucket. Any of you who think it was or is a more important issue than the massively important issue of our racist justice system, are plain hypocrites. And anybody, black or white, is perfectly entitled to feel a perverse guilty pleasure in seeing a guilty black man beat the justice system on a heinous crime owing largely to the mistakes of a racist asshole cop.

"And anybody, black or white, is perfectly entitled to feel a perverse guilty pleasure in seeing a guilty black man beat the justice system on a heinous crime owing largely to the mistakes of a racist asshole cop."

Well, the key word is perverse.

Here's more 13's to add: The jury trial lasted 13 days and the jurors deliberated for 13 hours and convicted him on the 13th anniversary of his other trial verdict. I think it is poetic justice!

108 = Obama's first state of the union address speachwriter.

78,
There is no way the jury could have acquitted the codefendant and still convict OJ. If the codefendant had gotten off and OJ was convicted, everybody would have known the real deal. I kind of feel for the guy, but he learned an important lesson. If you're going to engage in questionable behavior with someone, make sure that person didn't piss off all of white America by getting away with killing a white woman. Also, don't drop the soap.

111 - nah - obama's speeches aren't that long.

108: to long, didnt reed

Elie

108 works at Seyfarth Shaw

108--you have real problems. Go see a counselor.

Nobody read that 963 word rant.

108: I'm confused. Was OJ stealing his drugs back?

108, guess what? Even assuming your rant had any basis in reality (and it doesn't), it's irrelevant. You think drug laws are unfair? (I, btw, happen to be a straight edge who thinks marijuana should be legalized and the rest should stay restricted). Good to know - work to get them changed. But until they are, you (and other members of the "poor black" or rich white communities) break the law at your peril.

And if you think that its good for a murderer to get off just because he's black - then you are EXACTLY as much of a tool as the cop who plants evidence to get a black kid arrested. Dress it up however you like - it boils down to the fact that you are a racist. No more, no less.

Instead of picking keywords out of a statement, read it.

For one thing, I don't even use illegal drugs, although I smoked pot as a teenager in high school and college. I drink and don't smoke.. period. I know I shouldn't even drink, but it's a weakness; sue me. But if you think what I said has no basis in reality, I'm not sure what I could possibly say to change your mind on any topic whatsoever, as you must be quite imprevious to fact.

But as long as the government is unable to stamp out addicts altogether, it owes it to the public to allow them to be supplied with their vice without giving rise to a massive criminal infrastructure that tears at the fabric of society far more profoundly than a bunch of potheads. The fueling of that infractructure's growth, by leaps and bounds, is exactly what resulted from Prohibition and we are still paying the costs today.

That "at your peril" remark is a nice, haughty dig. I suppose you would have said the same thing in the past to an interracial couple breaking the law by trying to get married. All moralizing laws are equally valid, right?

Did I say it was good for a murderer to get off? No. You are clearly reading exactly what you want into my words.. and calling me a racist to boot, completely without cause. But the massive outrage whites put up in reaction to the OJ verdict just highlighted with horrible irony their lack of outrage for vastly more serious problems with our criminal justice system. They care nothing for millions of blacks who have been downtrodden by the legal system, but nearly jumped out of their skin when ONE black guy beat a rap because he had a fancy lawyer and one of the investigating cops was a huge racist.

No sense of proportion. Tempest in a teapot.

-108

108-119. Too many words. Twice. I stopped reading.

I am not coming here anymore because of Mystal. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. You've lost a loyal reader.

108 is such a stupid fuck. It's the GOVERNMENT"S fault there's drugs, its the GOVERNMENT's fault there's racism, it's the GOVERNMENT's fault there's addicts, it's everyone's fault except the black guy who actually picks up the pipe and inhales. Cry cry cry cry cry. Liberals are so pathetic.

Here's some useful tips for all you bleeding heart pieces of shit. Fat? PUT DOWN THE FORK! Crackhead? PUT DOWN THE PIPE! Alcoholic? PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE. Liberal? Kill yourself.

121:
Not that I liked this post, and not that I like Mystal, but you know this post was by Lat, right?

121:
Not that I liked this post, and not that I like Mystal, but you know this post was by Lat, right?

What we really need to do is ban cigarettes and alcohol and deploy effective nicotine/alcohol screening tests so that we can keep addicts out of the workplace.

123, 124 - you know that the UPDATE was by Mystal, the one that claimed he was glad OJ got off. Ya know, this:

"Update: (Mystal, J., concurring)"

Jeez, how difficult is it for people to read?

I find it shocking that a site devoted to the practice of law would employ someone who endorses the acquittal of murderers, for whatever reason.

Posting on this thread must have been an assignment for a Palin book club meeting, or an adolescent retard convention (wait, I repeat myself).

Yeah, because its normal for people to cheer on murderers getting off, people that believe in justice are just neocon idiots .

128 = dumber than Elie, if humanly possible.

I think MysTTTal drank one to many Colt 45's before writing his portion of this post.

126, I truly am as bad as Elie today. And that's admitting that 130 is right.

*suck-starts 9mm*

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OJ getting off was the biggest injustice of the history of the United States and an unprecedented example of why juries fail to deliver justice in the most critical cases. I was disappointed when President Bush did nothing, but now thankfully an end can be put to this menace.

72: reigns?

glass houses.

etc.

As in, Lat should be the one driving this site. An expression perhaps? Reign him in, pull back on the reigns, take the reigns over. In other words, be the boss.

As in, Lat should be the one driving this site. An expression perhaps? Reign him in, pull back on the reigns, take the reigns over. In other words, be the boss.

He was making fun of your failure to spell "reins" correctly.

So am I.

Oh, forgive me, oh spell check gods!

Hey, correcting people's spelling and grammar on the Internet is serious business.

Thanks! I'm glad we have you and 134 on the case. ;)

Seriously, my bad. You're right about glass houses, etc.

I'm off to make my ritualistic sacrifice to the goddess of spell check. TTFN.

Lat, fire Elie because of his race. By his logic, any breach of law is allowed so long as it's not Whitey committing the crime, so you're in the clear.

Or you could just fire him for his incompetence. That would be okay too.

108/119: Why are you purposely being obtuse?

People can be outraged that the justice system has failed many young blacks AND outraged that it failed Nicole Brown Simpson as well.

Human beings should be sickened that a murder walked free after abusing his wife for years and then viciously murdering her and an innocent man. You have a strange sense of morality if you think being outraged over that makes you a hypocrite if you're not equally outraged that legally guilty drug dealers/users are sentenced to jail. It's fine if you think drug laws need to be changed, but I fail to see why this takes up all your compassion and sense of morality, to the point where you would find PLEASURE (your words) in a murderer going free.

You can view OJ as the model for all black men, and therefore be happy he "got one up on the man"--but that essentially equates all black men to murderers.

If you think drugs shouldn't be criminalized, it should be a totally separate argument from a murderer going free. One has nothing to do with the other.

Unless you think OJ committed this murder because he was a poor, black youth driven by his inner city surroundings and an addiction to drugs.

Otherwise, anyone who takes joy in his acquittal is equally abhorrent to any white who would take joy in an innocent black man going to jail.

Can I read about this outrage in millions of newspapers and magazines? Point me to them.

I don't equate black men to murderers. If OJ did it, he "got one up on the man". Drugs shouldn't be criminalized. Murderers should be prosecuted. The justice system shouldn't have an inherent bias that locks black kids up and turns them into criminals for moralizing, victimless "crimes" while turning a blind eye to MILLIONS of white kids of all walks of life who abuse the same substances with the same frequency but don't suffer the same life-shattering consequences chiefly because most cops are white.

So yeah, because that keeps happening, it's possible to see the irony of OJ taking a walk and take a perverse pleasure. And it has nothing to do with thinking murder is OK. It has to do with thinking all that other shit is not OK. But nice try.

No justice, no peace

You've done nothing to equate the two situations.

Whites aren't angry enough (to your standards) that blacks are screwed by the system should not, in a normal human being, equal joy when a murderer and abuser of a woman goes free.

It just doesn't equate. If a drug lord went free, or a young guilty black drug user went free, maybe you'd have an argument.

But just because OJ is black, and just because blacks are victimized by the system in your opinion, is too attenuated of a link to be happy that he went free.

Unless you are equating OJ to all blacks, or you think OJ was the victim of being a young, black, victimized drug abuser. That's the only way the analogy works.

And let's continue your vicious cycle. Women can happily lop off the dicks of men because so many abusers/murderers of women are set free by our justice system. Women are victimized and abused (with absolutely no guilt in the matter, unlike drug users). So next time a woman kills or castrates a man all women can rejoice with entitlement.

And if you think there isn't outrage over the drug laws in this country, you have obviously never set foot in a law school.

Everyone calling Elie racist is racist. Insecure white people make me lmfao.

Whoa, there, 145. Pull back on the reigns.

Because drug laws are the only way black people have been oppressed by the legal system? Okeeey.

I don't have to rejoice because a woman kills a man. You're taking this to ridiculous extremes. It's one freaking case where a guilty black man got off in defiance of the system, which has somehow produced a critical mass of outrage and indignation that is strikingly absent with respect to systemic problems in our justice system. Pot, meet irony.

142 - When you get someone as skewed by racism as 108, there's only 2 logical results - either they develop such an us vs. them mentality that they're willing to take pleasure in the triumphs of people they view to be like them even when those people commit horrible deeds or they deny that those people committed the deeds, because they can't accept that someone like them did something that evil. It's the same reason you have such high rates of 9/11 denial among many people in the muslim world (though certainly not the only reason) and holocaust denial in Germany (well, at least before they made it illegal). The only difference is the kind of person we're talking about.

As for the drugs argument, I don't even know how to respond. There's an obvious reason for drug laws, and it has nothing to do with racism and it's not like we're sneaking the penalties on people (saying nothing of the large extent to which the non-violent first-time small-time drug offender is largely a myth).

As for Mystal, in order to understand his editorializing, you have to understand the warped liberal mind. In the liberal's world, the gravity of the crime isn't important as long as some "substantive right" was violated in the process of you being arrested and convicted. Even in cases where the failure to convict would have little to no effect on the way cases are handled, any hint of a rights violation means the offender has to go free.

It's too bad the original OJ jury was allowed to inflict their racism upon the US justice system. Blacks should take their racism back to Africa. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

What are these "blacks" you people refer to? I have never seen such a creature.

Count me as another loyal reader who will not be returning to this site unless and until Mystal is given the boot. I could stomach his poor writing and weak attempts at humor as he fumbled to find his groove, but this being glad that OJ was acquitted business is just too much.

Me thinks whites does protest too much.

108 gave a very detailed and well thought out summary of the legal system with respect to blacks and drugs and most people on this site dismissed it. Yet, these are the same people who are upset when we dismiss their outrage when it comes to the original OJ acquittal.

Me thinks whites does protest too much.

108 gave a very detailed and well thought out summary of the legal system with respect to blacks and drugs and most people on this site dismissed it. Yet, these are the same people who are upset when we dismiss their outrage when it comes to the original OJ acquittal.

x3 on the "suborn -- bitch please" train.

I liked the days of fewer posts, more lat, less functional illiteracy.

108 - OJ SIMPSON IS GOING TO JAIL FOR LIFE.

SUCK IT

Mystal, J., needs to stick to writing his own shitty posts instead of screwing up Lat's.

What about the blacks who were outraged at OJs acquittal because they want to be treated fairly by juries and the justice system regardless or what some hillbilly redneck racist cop does?

How many young black men did OJ's victims put in jail for non-violent drug offenses? Uh...probably none. Some blacks are treated unfairly in this country, and some whites are to blame, but to equate some blacks with all blacks and some whites with all whites is racism.

Some blacks (but not OJ) are wrongfully in prison, so OJ gets to go free for murder? Well some blacks (but not Tiger woods) commit murder, does that mean we can arrest Tiger Woods?

Elie, you are an idiot without peer.

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OJ got off for murder because a jury acquitted him. This probably had something to do with the racist cop and the racist history of the justice system. Probably also had to do with the appearance that said racist cop planted evidence.

The whole point of my post which you whiny bitches ignored was that you can just sue me for not thinking it's the end of the world and organizing a pitchfork parade in protest. I suggest you put your OJ complaints in perspective.

-108

FREE OJ!

FREE OJ!

FREE OJ!

FREE OJ!

As a black man, I was neither happy nor sad that OJ literally got away with murder. What incensed me however, was the stupid glee many black people reacted with as if their own father was freed ala "A Time to Kill." But OJ wasn't Sam Jackson. He was no freedom rider, he was just another rich celebrity who got away with murder in my cess pool of a city that worships celebrity (See Robert Blake, etc.).

This conviction, however, is deserved. Every objective person thinks OJ was overcharged BUT he did satisfy the elements of the underlying crimes. I don't think he has a rat's ass of a chance on appeal and I won't shed a tear when he goes to the clink. This isn't about race, he was overcharged because he got away with murder. I'd have to think if the same thing happened to Robert Blake, Phil Spector, or some other old washed up white has been who got away with murder, they would be overcharged to make a point as well.

Outrage over Spector plus outrage over Blake did not equal 1/1000th of the indignant white outrage the OJ verdict inspired.

I'm surprised that so many of these posts focus on the "happy that he got off" comment and relatively few on the "a white man who tried to get his own stuff back would never have been found guilty of a "crime" in a western state like Nevada" comment. That made my skin crawl.

Aside from the obvious point that Western states are remarkably liberal ... my friend busted into an apartment with a gun to "get his stuff back" in 2002. He was white. 18. And in Texas. He should have been found guilty and he was.

Your racism is disgusting.

Word, 21. Word.

Mystal @ 32 - great Pulp Fiction reference.

Justice would have been the Browns and the Goldmans getting together to find a good hitman, instead of letting OJ laugh at them all these years. And hopefully the hitman would have decapitated the Juice like he did to his victims.

Anyway, this is why you don't let your daughter marry a monkey, no matter how successful he is.

Justice would have been the Browns and the Goldmans getting together to find a good hitman, instead of letting OJ laugh at them all these years. And hopefully the hitman would have decapitated the Juice like he did to his victims.

Anyway, this is why you don't let your daughter marry a monkey, no matter how successful he is.

166 here (known in some previous posts as 'Blacks Against AA'). For all of you white individuals who swear we live in a colorblind society and black people need to just "get over" racism, people like 170/171 give all the fuel that Victomoligists need to keep pushing their inane class-warfare, race baiting, driven agendas.

166 here (known in some previous posts as 'Blacks Against AA'). For all of you white individuals who swear we live in a colorblind society and black people need to just "get over" racism, people like 170/171 give all the fuel that Victomoligists need to keep pushing their inane class-warfare, race baiting, driven agendas.

Blacks need to take their laziness, racism and whiny victimhood back to Africa. How dare they try to inflict their tribal culture on the USA.

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If a cop is racist, I would totally like to see the guilty defendant go free.

When the crime is jaywalking. Shoplifting. Rolling a stop sign. Hell, if the cop is racist enough, maybe even let someone walk for an unarmed B&E.

But murder? Elie, that's a sufficiently outrageous statement that I really think you should offer a defense or clarification to your readers.

Note: the jury acquitted OJ, not Elie.

176 - yeah, and he endorsed the verdict. A fat, ugly racist writing on this blog saying that because a cop used some unseemly words, a double murderer should go free. Do you agree? Defend yourself.

I also love the moron who claimed because no one saw or heard it, OJ didn't do it. So, that means NOBODY killed them?

"Unseemly words"... you mean like beating up blacks and saying "You understand what I'm saying, nigger?" and admitting it?

Oh, and planting evidence in the case.

Yeah. OJ should have gone free even though he was guilty, because the justice system isn't supposed to be rigged by cross-burners.

Why are we talking about murders? This case was not about that and what happened before should have no bearing on this outcome. With that said, in this case he was convicted of kidnapping for forcing someone to move from one side of the room to another. That to me is ludacris. He should have never gotten 15 years, especially since he had no criminal record.