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Princeton Review Ranks Law Schools Too

princeton review law school rankings.jpgPrinceton Review has released its annual (nonsensical) law school rankings. This year we are treated to the Best 174 Law Schools Rankings. The rankings are divided into 11 categories.

In this down market, the Best Career Prospects category seems appropriate. The top-ten law schools are:

1. University of Michigan Law School

2. Northwestern University School of Law

3. University of Virginia School of Law

4. Harvard University Law School

5. Boston College Law School

6. Stanford University School of Law

7. The University of Chicago The Law School

8. New York University School of Law

9. University of Pennsylvania Law School

10. Boston University School of Law

Notice that Yale Law School isn't on this "best career prospects" list. I dare somebody to get into Boston College and Yale and go to Boston College because they think that is a better career move. Send ATL both acceptance letters and a BC transcript, and we'll send you $100 and a photograph signed by God.

More ridiculous rankings after the jump.

I also found the "Most Competitive Students" category to be laughable:

1. Baylor University School of Law

2. Ohio Northern University Claude W. Pettit College of Law

3. Brigham Young University J. Reuben Clark School of Law

4. Syracuse University College of Law

5. St. John's University School of Law

6. Whittier College School of Law

7. St. Thomas University School of Law

8. Campbell University Norman Adrian Wiggins School of Law

9. Thomas M. Cooley Law School Law Program

10. Albany Law School

Princeton Review says that these rankings were based on:

[S]tudent assessments of how competitive classmates are, how heavy the workload is, and the perceived academic pressure.

Baylor. Most competitive student body in the country. Wow.

Only the "Toughest to Get Into" (registration required) category seems to bear any relation to planet Earth. But even there, UCONN School of Law ranks 7th in terms of selectivity.

But hey, if it's rankings, ATL, and a Pennsylvania based company ... these comments should be awesome.

The 2009 Edition of The Best 174 Law Schools [Princeton Review]

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:02 PM

Complete JOKE!

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2 Posted by yoots | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:02 PM

GO BLUE!

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:02 PM

Everybody know that UVA and UMich >>> HLS

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:03 PM

Well, being the one Michigan law student still seeking a post-graduate job, this is helpful.

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:05 PM

Yay Michigan!

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:06 PM

Actually, students at TTT schools are most competitive because only the top 5% get real jobs.

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:06 PM

Elie, competitive does not necessarily mean they are the most qualified and highest credentialed; it can also mean they are the most likely to fight among their classmates for the top.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:07 PM

While a complete joke, you are a complete douche bag for writing like you did. You embody what everyone should despise

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:08 PM

I chose BC over GULC when I was applying, but I would never have taken it over the T10.

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:09 PM

1. Aren't there 200 law schools?
2. The people who get a 147 on the LSAT are those who probably have to read a 5-page case 7 times over the course of 8 hours in order to have a modicum of understanding of what it says. That's probably why Cornell and Chicago aren't on the list.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:09 PM

Elie, could you be any more of an elitist snob?

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:10 PM

"I dare somebody to get into Boston College and Yale and go to Boston College because they think that is a better career move."

It took me a few re-reads to understand what Elie was trying to say.

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:10 PM

Hey somebody (Elie?) post the "toughest to get into" cat

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:11 PM

Yale has the best career prospects bar none. Kids at Yale are too prestigious to respond to the stupid surveys. Harvard is a TTT for actually appearing on the crap rankings.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:12 PM

Mystal, you've once again shown yourself to be a buffoon extraordinaire. TTT students are known to be hyper-competitive. You know, the more petty the stakes - the more bitter the fighting (or something like that).

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:12 PM

will the fact that i attend the number 1 school in these rankings help my 1L job search?

-nervous T-10 1L

btw, of course lower ranked schools will have more competitive students elie...most competitive =/ highest numbers. why be competitive at a top 10 school? (other than to get that 1L job!!!)

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:13 PM

Elie, of course the "worse" schools are more competitive because only the top students get jobs and therefore, the students "compete" with one another. Do you not understand that the word "competitive" has multiple meanings?

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:14 PM

Career prospects out of Yale suck.

Sincerely,

Clarence Thomas

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:14 PM

#12, did you get a 147 on the LSAT?

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:17 PM

Nervous T-10 1L *has* to be a flame, right??? My logical side tells me yes, but there are enough insane 1Ls out there...

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:18 PM

I'm impressed that UPenn State made it on the best career prospects list. I wonder if the ranking takes into account the efficiency provided by in-state tuition to qualifying students.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:18 PM

I got into GULC but dinged by UCONN so this list may not be all wrong.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:19 PM

Elie, your analysis of the most competitive students list is shallow. Think about it - the kids at these schools are in a cut-throat competition to get in the top 10% because that is their only way to get big-law type offers. Hell, looking at that list, you probably have to be no. 1 at some of those schools to even be considered. The bottom half of those classes struggle for months after graduation to find $50/k a year jobs. With tons of debt, you DON'T want to be in that bottom half.

Students from T14 schools don't have to compete like that.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:19 PM

Yale has the best career prospects bar none. Kids at Yale are too prestigious to respond to the stupid surveys. Harvard is a TTT for actually appearing on the crap rankings.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:21 PM

20 - i'm most assuredly not flame. i can answer any identifying questions about my school (we had westlaw coffee today in front of hh100). what have i said that's so crazy? i just have a strong desire to get a 1L sa and make the big bucks this summer, thought i would let people share in my journey.

-nervous T-10 1L

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:21 PM

a survey of students trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice going to law school, says that they feel that they have good job prospects.

im shocked

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:21 PM

I went to Yale, and no one seems to want to hire me. They just protest.

Sincerely,

John Yoo

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:22 PM

I'm sorry Elie, but in writing this post, you have shown you have no idea what grading and competition is like at lower ranked schools. As an attorney in Texas working at a biglaw firm, I can assure you that Baylor is one of the most competitive schools in the county (I'm not an alum, by the way). Not from an admissions standpoint, but from a grading standpoint. It is extremely difficult to get good grades at Baylor (and you obviously know nothing about the required practice court). Having been to both a lower ranked school (not Baylor) and a much higher ranked one, my experience was that it was much more difficult to get good grades in the lower ranked school (and, by the way, at the higher ranked school I was in the top 15%).

I'm usually fine with the elitist TTT crap that gets spewed about in the comments, but to insult a school that you know nothing about is just obnoxious.

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:23 PM

I'm sorry Elie, but in writing this post, you have shown you have no idea what grading and competition is like at lower ranked schools. As an attorney in Texas working at a biglaw firm, I can assure you that Baylor is one of the most competitive schools in the county (I'm not an alum, by the way). Not from an admissions standpoint, but from a grading standpoint. It is extremely difficult to get good grades at Baylor (and you obviously know nothing about the required practice court). Having been to both a lower ranked school (not Baylor) and a much higher ranked one, my experience was that it was much more difficult to get good grades in the lower ranked school (and, by the way, at the higher ranked school I was in the top 15%).

I'm usually fine with the elitist TTT crap that gets spewed about in the comments, but to insult a school that you know nothing about is just obnoxious.

30 Posted by HofstraMagna | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:24 PM

Are these rankings a joke? Where the hell is Hofstra? Basically, if you are interested in law school and you want to live near the only city that matters in this country, please read the following rankings and disregard this Princeton Review garbage.

http://abovethelaw.com/community/2008/05/top-nyc-area-law-schools.php

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:25 PM

Michigan = TTT

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:25 PM

I chose BC over Yale. Then again, I also think Palin won the debate so I'm pretty much a full-on retard.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:26 PM

someone post the QoL list

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:26 PM

Nervous 1-L,

"I just have a strong desire to get a 1L sa and make the big bucks this summer"

Sorry pal. In this economy, you won't.

Get a job bouncing at Rick's, do some damage to your liver, and enjoy one of your last summers of freedom.

-fellow UMich grad

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:27 PM

I'm a BC student. I have no delusions about BC being better than Yale, but I do agree that it should have some recognition for this: it's ridiculous how well we do in recruiting season considering that we're way outside the t14.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:27 PM

Don't knock UConn and the public schools. You've all heard the argument before about how kids who go to good public schools like Michigan, Virginia and Connecticut are much smarter than those who go to top-tier (other than top-5) schools. Its about value baby!

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:27 PM

Pennsylvania-based who? Princeton Review is headquartered in NY, regardless of where it's incorporated and I strongly suspect Delaware.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:28 PM

30 -- Welcome back. I'm Hofstra summa!

HLS rules! Suck it, T10!

So what if I got 2.8 GPA undergrad and 148 LSAT?

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:31 PM

When were these rankings compiled?! I'm checking for my school and it looks like the average LSAT, GPA, and after-graduation-income are at least two years old.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:32 PM

30 & 38: Take an IQ test. You might be borderline retarded if the best law school you could get into is Hofstra.

GULC rules!

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:33 PM

Friends don't let friends go to GULC.

- UCONN 1L

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:34 PM

Hey Nervous 1L, it's 20 - sorry I was skeptical! I'm a top-10 2L, and getting a firm job 1L is a nice monetary perk, but not at all needed to get a good firm job later on. In fact, we'll probably be stuck at firms for a good chunk of our careers, so might as well try something interesting for 1L. It's a chance to go international, work in-house, work for a judge, do public interest, etc etc -- all opportunities you may never have again. So don't worry about firm stuff until August after your 1L year! HTH!

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:36 PM

hey 36, UVA and Mich cost about 37k/yr in state. nice try though. Even Boalt will be going up to that next year.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:38 PM

I agree with 31 completely. Oh, and, by the way, 42 is a guidance counselor at GULC.

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:39 PM

where's Chicago-Kent and NYLS on the list? Oh, I forgot, those people don't get jobs as attorneys or anything else. What a scam!!!!!!!!!!!1

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:40 PM

42 - i'm definitely going to try for a 1L firm job because i need the money but if i don't get anything i won't be too upset. i figure if some firm will pay me 3k/week to dink around for a summer why not do that? thanks for the advice though, i should try and keep things in perspective (which is hard at law school).

*hustles back to nalpdirectory.com*

-nervous T-10 1L

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:40 PM

These rankings are a joke. Why isn't Charlotte School of Law included in the "Best Career Prospects" category? CSL summer associates routinely outperform their Duke and UVA counterparts in biglaw.

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:41 PM

I also agree with 29 even more. For the record, 42 is still a guidance counselor.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:43 PM

40 is right.

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:43 PM

You enrolled in a $3000 PR class and still got a 154 on the LSAT? Fortunately, the crappy law schools you can get into are better than Harvard!

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:43 PM

nervous 1L,

My two-step method to a post-1L SA position (in NYC on the 160K scale):

1. don't waste all my time on ATL
2. spend 70 hours a week studying

Then when you're a 2L & 3L, you can spend 15 hours/week on school stuff and you're still golden b/c you're at the top of your class.

You're welcome.

Best,

2d tier student

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:44 PM

Hey 47 - read your post again and just think about it.

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:45 PM

I went to Yale for undergrad and did so well there that I was admitted into Boston College Law School. Does that count for your challenge?

But no need to send the promised money...I married into more than I can ever spend.

-John Kerry

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:46 PM

42 here - lol i assure you i'm not a guidance counselor, although looking back i guess my post was kinda cheesy... all i'm saying is that a firm salary shouldn't be your only motive for a 1L job, especially if you have the opportunity to do something much cooler

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:47 PM

Yes, as a graduate of the uber-competitive Syracuse Law School, the above rankings are proof that I really do have a much higher IQ than all of you!

-Joe Biden

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:49 PM

Princeton Review Ranking = TTT

Any ranking with Penn State in top 10 is TTT.

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57 Posted by thehandsyoushakenotthegradesyoumake | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:52 PM

Elie,

You are a moron.

Competitive student body is a category approximating how competitive the student body is with each other.

Baylor was ranked in an academic study as the school whose students spent the most time studying per day. (I'm not saying that means they are smarter, or better lawyers, or dumber, or anything, it just is what it is.)

There is a reason Baylor Law School is known as the place:

"Where Fun Goes To Die."

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 6:53 PM

Nervous T-10 1L,

If you want to share, write your own blog. Don't put annoying comments here.

Signed,

The Rest of Us

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:01 PM

58: But, it's fun to observe people with obvious neuroses...

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:04 PM

How does one spend 70 hours a week studying? I'm a 1L at one of the schools in the aforementioned list, and I haven't had more than a few hours each night. Granted, I don't brief, but I think that all of these hours are counter-productive.

Get the holding and be prepared for class discussion, but more is overkill.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:04 PM

Nervous Michigan... I mean T-10 1L,

Who are you? I am ashamed that you go to my school. You are annoying.

Sincerely,
1L who had an SA job without whining and begging for information

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:06 PM

57, technically the University of Chicago is the first place to be known as "the place where fun goes to die."

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:06 PM

"There is a reason Baylor Law School is known as the place:

"Where Fun Goes To Die.""

Could have something to do wih being (a) in Waco and (b) being on a campus that banned dancing until 1996, rather than just the study habits of teh students.

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:09 PM

And Columbia is ranked...what?

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:11 PM

60,

My bad. 70 hours a week for the month before finals.

51

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:16 PM

Haha. Nervous T-10 1L has to be one of the best executed performances I've seen on here since HofstraMagna. How can so many of you guys think this person is legit?

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:17 PM

Awesome post, Elie.

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:17 PM

Formula for pre-law undergrads

1. Get a bachelor's and master's in engineering
1a. For you worthless econ/poli sci/government/psych/other bullshit LAS majors, drop out of law school, get a second degree in engineering
2. Go to top 30 public school on full tuition scholarship
3. Stay in the top half of your class
4. Tell firms you love patent law
4a. Laugh at those actually competing for jobs
5. Profit

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:25 PM

Elie - you are an elitist piece of shit and your head is shaped like a potato. Oh, and the folds in your chins are shaped like vaginas.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:27 PM

Elie, can we do a Worst ATL Contributor Poll!? Please!!!

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:28 PM

Please, more articles about competition written by affirmative-action poster children. The unintentional comedy is outstanding.

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:29 PM

60 - the next 1L in the bottom of the class that gets passed over in OCI.

- 3L T3 that still briefs cases

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:30 PM

Formula for life:

1. Do exactly what your parents tell you. Always.

2. Question nothing.

3. Please everyone.

4. Read Maxim.

5. Work out every morning.

6. Make as much money as you can.

7. Marry the best looking woman willing to marry you.

8. Have kids.

9. Tell them to live their lives exactly as you did.

10. Die. Fulfilled. Content.

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:30 PM

On the one hand I think that Elie is a fat fuck racist elitist pignose with no talent and an embarrassing lack of sensitivity about his appearance. On the other hand, Kash is king, in a post op tranny sort of way.

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:32 PM

I just want to say, we all know that Yale is harder to get into and more "prestigious" than BC, BU etc, but maybe the reason it isn't on the career prospects top 10 is because a lot of the best grads from Yale don't go into the sort of Biglaw jobs that grads from the other schools do and often take academic or judicial jobs. Obviously these are also good career prospects, but I think it would be worth looking at what the Princeton Review uses as criteria before you mock the survey. Maybe the POINT of the rankings is to highlight weaknesses and strengths of schools that aren't directly related to entering students' average LSAT score.

And to echo those above, I would imagine that students at lower ranked schools who have to fight to be in the top 10% or so ARE more competitive with one another. I'm pretty sure at HYS, you just have to show up to get a decent job after graduation.

This blog has really degenerated into a pathetic reflection of the legal world. I think we are all aware that some law schools and firms are "better" than others. There is a huge difference between making qualitative comparisons between schools or firms and stupidly assuming that having HYS or Wachtell on your resume makes you a worthwhile human being. Why can't this blog be about actual legal issues without disparaging firms, schools, and people with the "TTT" label.

A lot of really interesting things are happening in the legal, financial, and political world right now and somehow the best you can do is to post this garbage accompanied with some sad attempts at humor. I'd expect the obnoxious, petty, and elitist comments from site posters. Elie, you just look like a GIANT (and ignorant) DOUCHE for pandering to those who delight in such nonsense.

[Now I'll take bets on how long it takes one of you morons to respond with TTT or suggest I am jealous of your job or law school]

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:32 PM

72 - the next to be laid off because (s)he does all sorts of unnecessary work, taking twice as long to do all of the projects (s)he is assigned as anyone else.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:35 PM

I enjoy laughing at people who, despite their best efforts, will never be smart enough to make it into a good law school. Throw rocks at them.

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:40 PM

Elie is a fat idiot

79 Posted by HofstraMagna | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:41 PM

Hell yeah 75. Hofstra, like Yale, places many graduates in judicial clerkships, and so that pulls it down in the flawed Princeton Review Rankings. Just last week, I heard a story about a guy from Hofstra who landed a clerkship in NJ Superior Court, Traffic Division. Maybe it's not the SCOTUS, but that's still a pretty good job and the people on here who think otherwise are just stupid haters.

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:41 PM

Nervous T-10 1L:

Confident same T-10 2L here. I am willing to impart upon you the knowledge you require to successfully land a 1L SA gig. I have only one precondition. Tomorrow at exactly 6:45 PM, enter the large men's room in the SW corner of the basement level of HH. Proceed past the long row of urinals and around the corner to the dumpy toilet stalls. I will be waiting in the handicapped stall. Cough politely and knock exactly twice on the stall door and I will allow you in. You will remove your underwear to expose erect penis. We will then approach one another while facing each other. We will apply a condom to each penis. We will then rub our penises together and use hands or a docking sleeve to increase friction. It is possible I will wish to rub my penis against your thighs, buttocks or belly. Eventually I will tell you to kneel, at which point I will remove my condom and ejaculate on your face. While you are washing off my rancid jism in one of the the 1960s-era sinks I will impart to you all you need to knew regarding landing a 1L SA position.

I look forward to meeting with you soon.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:42 PM

Unrelated question: do you think I should go to Arnold and Porter or to Cadwalader?

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:44 PM

What about University of MD?

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:45 PM

Why is Elie constantly trolling against UMich? It's probably been mentioned on here more times in the last month than most schools are in a year.

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:55 PM

Hey Elie,
I went to UConn Law and they taught me well enough to know that your grammar sucks a fat one!

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:56 PM

60 - Stellar approach. And on exams this winter, you should cut straight to the conclusion. Don't waste all that time and space on that silly "analysis" mumbo jumbo. The profs will reward you for your brevity.

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:59 PM

80 FTW!!!!!!!!!

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 7:59 PM

We have better looking girls than all those places.

BLS 1L

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:06 PM

NU is underrated.

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:09 PM

I must say, the God's signature line was really funny. This post is hilarious.

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:11 PM

Guaranteed every few years at least one person turns down Yale or Harvard for a full ride at BU or BC. Get over yourself.

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:17 PM

Elie,
Everything you post on here makes me more likely to read WSJ Law Blog and AmLaw Daily. If you are going to constantly editorialize, at least provide some analysis. Throwing around smug phrases like "Wow" and "laughable" does not constitute analyis.

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:17 PM

Elie,
Everything you post on here makes me more likely to read WSJ Law Blog and AmLaw Daily. If you are going to constantly editorialize, at least provide some analysis. Throwing around smug phrases like "wow" and "laughable" does not constitute analyis.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:20 PM

21 and 56: its not Penn State's law school (Dickinson), its UPenn.

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:24 PM

80 leaves me feeling icky.

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:24 PM

Hardest to get into:
1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Boalt
5. Penn
6. Columbia
7. U of Conn
8.Northwestern
9. Chicago
10. Michigan

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:30 PM


Elie, this is your best thread ever.

"I dare somebody to get into Boston College and Yale and go to Boston College because they think that is a better career move. Send ATL both acceptance letters and a BC transcript, and we'll send you $100 and a photograph signed by God."

I will probably go back and read this once a day for a week, and laugh my T14 a$$ off.

Solid work, Elie. And I say that as someone who's often quite critical.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:32 PM

Hey 12 - did you get a 147 on the LSAT?

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:37 PM

you are a pretentious a-hole, elie. seriously, this post makes you look like a real tool.

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99 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:45 PM

GO RAYS!

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100 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:46 PM

I turned down Berkeley, Mich, UVa, NYU, Cornell, & Penn for a full ride at BC. Was wait-listed at Stanford & Harvard. Did not get into Yale, Chicago, or Columbia. Did not apply to NU (interviews) or GULC (degree factory). Curiously, did not get into Texas.

Graduate cum laude from BC; no journal. Now work at BigLaw in NYC, debt free. I've been at this a little over three years now. It's very liberating to know I can leave at any time, as I have no debt and a decent amount of savings. (As an aside, yes, there were a lot of 'tards at BC, but there are just as many 'tards at my firm who went to top 10 or 5 schools. Getting into/going to a good law school does not make one a good attorney. Nor, apparently, a good writer, as Elie shows us daily).


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101 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:50 PM

why so much hate for me? sorry i annoy so many people, i guess you have to step on a few toes on your way to a 1L sa position. ;)

thanks 80, that was very homo-erotic of you...but i prefer to use the bathrooms in the hallway by the snack bar.

*goes back to reading about the rule against perpetuities while dreaming about a 1L summer at cravath*

-nervous T-10 1L

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:54 PM

62, you obviously never spent a scintillating Doc Films evening at Ida Noyes ...

W00t!

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103 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:55 PM

100 -- You are the awesomest person ever. Thank you so much for impressing us all with your super-cool tale of how great you are. That said, I may not be debt free, but I once "hooked up" with HOPE WINTERS during "Operation Pantsdown." Curiously, the next morning, I awoke, turned my head to the pillow next to me, and was staring face-to-face with Elie Mystal!!!! Needless to say, I went to GULC.

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104 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:55 PM

62, you obviously never spent a scintillating Doc Films evening at Ida Noyes ...

W00t!

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105 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:56 PM

I burst out laughing upon reading this one! haha! I totally will take you up on the BC Yale bet and will add a kidney or six!

Btw: http://justmarvy.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-defense-of-marriage_06.html

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106 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 8:57 PM

104 -- Thank you for making my night.

-Joey Regenstein

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:06 PM

I don't think Michigan is the best law school in the country, but Michigan grads do very well in many markets. Unlike some schools, Michigan sends its grads to multiple large markets. The fact that Michigan is a very large law school also helps. More students = more alumni connections later. Also, the University of Michigan is huge so even partners or employers that went there for undergrad are still going to feel a connection to Michigan Law grads.

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108 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:07 PM

Maybe the reason that University of Michigan, Northwestern, and University of Chicago are ranked so high (in addition to being great schools) is location. It seems like it is easier to find jobs in the midwest right now than on the coasts.

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109 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:10 PM

Elie...god forbid that Harvard is not number one on every list ever associated with law school rankings. If I didn't have some good friends who went to Harvard, I would rank Harvard number one at 1. School Producing Most Elitist and Biggest Douchebags. But you've been saved from that by well-grounded colleagues. This, of course, still doesn't save you from being Number One Law Blogging Douchebag. Wait, that's not fair, nervous T10 1L takes that crown, but you're right in his ass at number 2. All types of puns and inappropriate thoughts intended.

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110 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:13 PM

I like this post. Well done captain Elie

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111 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:16 PM

Whoa! Sensible response by 107.

Nervous 1L:
You're not getting a 1L SA or a 2L SA because you're a douche bag. No one wants to work with douche bags.

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112 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:16 PM

Thank God, a sign of sanity in crazy times. Thanks, Elie, for once again reminding all of these worthless proletariat punks of their proper places in the world. This is the ATL I know and love!

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113 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:18 PM

109 - to be fair, i'm just a stupid 1L and don't run a blog.

-nervous T-10 1L

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114 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:19 PM

Good post.

But watch out, you promise $100 for a BC transcript and a Yale acceptance letter, but you don't demand that the transcript actually belong to someone who got into yale.

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115 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:23 PM

I can't speak from experience, because I only went to one law school and not all of them. I guess that makes me not qualified to comment on a system that ranks every law school out there. I will tell you that Baylor sweeps trial competitions on a yearly basis. And by sweep, I mean basically crushes the teams that every other school fields.

They should just start entering the courtrooms playing the song "Swagga Like Us."
I can hear it now, and I wish I were on a team that was that great.

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:29 PM

Elie,

PLEAsE post your LSAT score and UGPA. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see if you really deserved to get into Harvard. POST IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:29 PM

Elie,

PLEAsE post your LSAT score and UGPA. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see if you really deserved to get into Harvard. POST IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:29 PM

Elie,

PLEAsE post your LSAT score and UGPA. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see if you really deserved to get into Harvard. POST IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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119 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:31 PM

But you have to live in Michigan for 3 years. Not worth it.

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120 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:37 PM

Few questions:

1) Is the post about Hofstra being the no.3 NYC law school a flame? My asking if its a flame is not a flame itself. I just don't get it. Fordham is absolutely the 3rd best NYC law school. Its not even arguable. I almost went there but I got off waitlist at T10. Fordham is a good school period. HOFTTTstra is not. Sorry.

2) Lulz at UCONN. I didn't even know they have a law school. I actually did because one good law firm has a couple of UCONN partners but other than that, when I hear UCONN I think basketball, not law school and definitely not a law school thats hard to get into.

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121 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:38 PM

93: You are confused. Penn state has specific names for its schools (i.e., Dickinson for the law school, Whardon for the business school). Not a bad showing on this poll for a state school though. Go Nitany Lions!

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122 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:39 PM

I can't believe that the University of Michigan State is #1!!! Go Spartens!!

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123 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:40 PM

Didn't Vault come out with rankings similar to these? I remember seeing U-Mich ranked pretty high, but I'm too busy (read: drunk and lazy) to google Vault's rankings.

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124 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:43 PM


Elie, jesteś glupi muzyn i tłuszczu stosie kał. Jest oczywiste, ze zdjęcia, że jesteś typem człowieka, który molests dzieci.

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125 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:49 PM

On MOLESTUJE dzieci, kutafonie.

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126 Posted by TTTroll | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 9:54 PM

God damn you, Elie, for making law out to be such an elitist profession. Not everyone can go to a T14 school.

-3L at FCU (#11)

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127 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:09 PM

100, you turned down NYU for BC? I call extreme bullshit.

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128 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:10 PM

Princeton Review = TTT. Who puts Boston College on an elite law school list? What a joke.

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129 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:11 PM

BU is number 10 for career prospects??? I go to BU law, easily in the top 20% class rank, and can't get a job despite trying as if my life depended on it. SUCKS TO BU that school blows

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130 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:15 PM

"YLS was not considered, as we recently discovered that school doesn't have grades!"

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131 Posted by evan7257 | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:26 PM

I got into BU but went to Cardozo.
Went for the scholarship, stayed for the Jew jokes.

Hope that media control thing pans out in the job sector.

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132 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, October 6, 2008 10:26 PM

stop crying and go read your casebooks