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How To Get Fired from Sullivan & Cromwell (Part 1)

dont be an asshole.JPGAh, Sullivan & Cromwell. It’s a top law firm — not just in prestige and profits, but also blog fodder. See, e.g., Carlos Spinelli-Noseda (partner who defrauded firm and clients of half a million dollars through expense fraud); Aaron Charney (associate who sued the firm for antigay discrimination, while still employed there).

When people leave 125 Broad Street, they go out with a bang. Today, courtesy of several tipsters, we bring you the tale of another former SullCrom employee who departed under less than ideal circumstances. Let’s call him “DB,” short for “douchebag.”

(To those of you who find the term offensive, we say: if it’s good enough for the Second Circuit, it’s good enough for ATL. Also, we use it affectionately.)

During law school, DB developed a reputation “as a racist, sexist jerkoff who always flaunted the fact that he was wealthy.” Here’s why:

  • His first words upon meeting his law school roommates: “Hi, I’m DB. I’m independently wealthy.”

  • In a class discussion about price discrimination and consumer choice, he said: “Sometimes when I’m in a real hurry, I am forced to fly coach.”

  • At a law firm reception, he said to the attorneys, “Don’t you miss the good old days when there were no girls at a place like this, except for hookers and strippers?”
  • This charming lad then made his way to 125 Broad Street, where he joined GP (general practice; S&C-speak for “Corporate”) at Sullivan. Now, S&C pays well — in addition to generous base salaries and year-end bonuses, they pay supplemental bonuses to senior associates. But DB was unimpressed:

  • “My allowance used to be bigger than whatever I earn from this place. I feel so poor now that I’m working.”
  • Read more about his rudeness, after the jump.

    DB continued to run his mouth at SullCrom. Some gems from his time at the firm:

  • DB once was fat, then lost a lot of weight. He was obsessed with working out and spent hours every day in the gym. This led him to conclude that fat people “had no reason to live.”

  • In a crowded elevator, DB expressed the view that FIG (financial institutions group) at S&C is home to the “fat and ugly.” When confronted about this remark by partners, he noted (correctly) that fat and ugly are not protected classes under the Constitution.

  • DB went to a diversity event and declared that racism does not exist.

  • DB showed up drunk to a fundraiser for a domestic violence assistance center and yelled: “Where my battered women at?!”

  • On “bring your kid to work” day, DB struck up a conversation with a five-year-old. Speaking very loudly and slowly, as if the kid was retarded, he pointed to a colleague a few feet away and said: “You’re lucky he’s not your daddy, because then you’d have male-pattern baldness.”
  • (In true lawyer fashion, the object of derision objected that he suffers not from male-pattern baldness, but a different form of hair loss.)

  • A summer associate asked DB about hanging out. DB: “Yo man, you’re not my friend. You’re nothing to me. You are nothing but $60 for lunch and $80 for dinner.”
  • But these incidents, while they didn’t burnish DB’s personnel file, were not what got him in real trouble. We’ll bring you that story in a subsequent post. If you have anything to add, feel free to email us. (We did reach out to the firm for comment, but they did not get back to us.)

    Update: The subsequent post, revealing the fate of DB at S&C, is available here.

    P.S. We are also working on an item about a former contract attorney supervisor who was too sexy for S&C. If you think you know what we’re talking about, we’d like to hear from you; please email us (subject line: “Sullivan and Cromwell”). Thanks.

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    1 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:45 PM

    This guy is awesome!

    First?

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    2 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:46 PM

    This guy is awesome!

    First?

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    3 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:46 PM

    first (and the phillies are first too!)

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    4 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:46 PM

    Worst. Subsequent postings blow.

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    5 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:47 PM

    3rd!!!!!!!!

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    6 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:47 PM

    Worst. Subsequent postings blow.

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    7 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:48 PM

    1st but probably 5th or 6th by now

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    8 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:48 PM

    Second?

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    9 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:48 PM

    what about the summer assocaite that was cold offered this summer because they spoke back to a judge?

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    10 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:49 PM

    S& C = TTT !

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    11 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:49 PM

    "DB went to a diversity event and declared that racism does not exist."

    Lat, is that you?

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    12 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:51 PM

    Subsequent post? Who do you think you are? Hope Winters?

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    13 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:52 PM

    Do we really want to live in a society where you can't talk back to a judge?

    What is this, f*cking China?

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    14 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:52 PM

    This guy is awesome. I wish the only females at my office were strippers and hookers. That way I wouldn't get called to work on some lit bs bc some girl started to cry bc of her: a)period and/or b)bf, husb

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    15 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:53 PM

    This better not be like a Hope Winters post.... Part II: "He said something really nasty when he left and I judged him for it."

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    16 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:53 PM

    Why is it that with one AWESOME post Lat raises the ATL bar! This is amazing-ly hilarious!

    Lat, nice to have you back...

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    17 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:54 PM

    This guy is the king.

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    18 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:54 PM

    I know a guy that summered at S&C who is exactly like this. He's now a 2L transfer at Yale.

    Wow, we kind of miss the absurd things he would say. It was absolutely shocking.

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    19 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:54 PM

    No one will really talk about this shitty story, so let us talk about Alabama and its great law school and great football.

    Any takers?

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    20 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:55 PM

    Why does ATL comment posting always crash my IE?

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    21 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:55 PM

    I like this guy. He amuses me.

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    22 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:56 PM

    This man is my hero.

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    23 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:56 PM

    I wasn't a DB. No wonder I was no offerred

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    24 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:57 PM

    Well, I think he sounds fun.

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    25 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:57 PM

    "P.S. We are also working on an item about a former contract attorney supervisor who was too sexy for S&C. If you think you know what we're talking about, we'd like to hear from you; please email us...."

    That story better be good. Otherwise, who cares about contract attorney supervisors?

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    26 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:58 PM

    tucker max

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    27 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:59 PM

    Does anyione understand a problem with this guy?

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    28 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:59 PM

    22/23 - maybe you and this guy should "get together"

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    29 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:59 PM

    what about texas law and texas football?! see you in the finals #20? :)

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    30 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:59 PM

    beautiful. love when attorneys act like television characters from shows on the CW. best post in weeks.

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    31 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:02 PM

    3:55 - Switch to Firefox.

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    32 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:02 PM

    29, you got it -- Roll Tide (and your law school and football is pretty good too...)

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    33 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:03 PM

    14 = DB

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    34 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:03 PM

    Co-sign 3:59. Imagine if Chuck Bass from "Gossip Girl" went to law school. He would be this guy.

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    35 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:03 PM

    DB=Frat Stud?

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    36 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:04 PM

    a summer associate spoke with a judge? at a cocktail party maybe?

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    37 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:05 PM

    The only people who find DBs actions offensive are the same people that would find the word douchebag offensive.

    From this point forward, I hereby declare that DB shall be short hand for "Da Bomb".

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    38 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:05 PM

    18 -- i was thinking the same thing. ยง 3!

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    39 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:05 PM

    the summer who spoke back to a judge was told to OBSERVE. Apparently he didn't just talk... He went on and on, even after he was told to be quiet. Apparently it was awful.

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    40 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:06 PM

    Odd that he was fired. Sounds like he would fit right in at S&C.

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    41 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:06 PM

    This guy supports Barack Obama for president

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    42 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:06 PM

    After two embarrassingly close victories, I'm really glad the Tide whomped Tennessee last week. You can't spell slut without UT.

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    43 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:07 PM

    The only people who find DBs actions offensive are the same people that would find the word douchebag offensive.

    From this point forward, I hereby declare that DB shall be short hand for "Da Bomb".

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    44 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:07 PM

    4:03,

    thank you for knowing that i was thinking of chuck!

    regards,
    3:59 at 28 & bass fangirl

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    45 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:07 PM

    Credit where credit is due, this is a great line:

    "Yo man, you're not my friend. You're nothing to me. You are nothing but $60 for lunch and $80 for dinner."

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    46 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:09 PM

    40, I work at S&C and haven't heard this story. Please post details.

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    47 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:10 PM

    Correction: 39, I work at S&C and haven't heard this story. Please post details.

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    48 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:10 PM

    21 - because they have the shittiest comment posting mechanism in the history of shitty comment posting mechanisms. Btw, it doesn't crash it, it just lags the page for like 2 minutes.

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    49 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:11 PM

    People who used to be fat have such a funny chip on their shoulder about fat people

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    50 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:11 PM

    39 - more details. That is great.

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    51 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:11 PM

    DB = archetypal autoadmit poster.

    stunning, really, the similarity.

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    52 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:11 PM

    Props to 17 for the "King" reference. I totally forgot about that guy.

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    53 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:12 PM

    Props to 17 for the "King" reference. I totally forgot about that guy.

    "Chung is King", if memory serves...

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    54 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:12 PM

    please write on ATL more. you're a lot funnier than mystal :(

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    55 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM

    This cannot be about me, I didn't work at S&C ...

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    56 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM

    The SA is also rumored to have stated,

    "No doesn't mean no. For instance, Spanish women refuse at least a dozen times, but they really mean yes."

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    57 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM

    The associate is also rumored to have stated,

    "No doesn't mean no. For instance, Spanish women refuse at least a dozen times, but they really mean yes."

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    58 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:14 PM

    39, we would love some more details. In the alternative, is someone from ATL would pick up that story, it sounds incredibly entertaining.

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    59 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:14 PM

    UPenn State is going to the title game this year!

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    60 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:14 PM

    Everyone, when you post your comment, just wait for it to "time out" on you.

    Then, after you get the error message, just go back to www.abovethelaw.com. Your comment will be there.

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    61 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:14 PM

    I love these stories. The guy probably isn't even independently wealthy- just another insecure friendless loser who has watched too many tv shows and modeled his behavior after the Chuck Bass-esque characters in a pathetic attempt to be perceived as macho and unaffected. So transparent and pitiable.

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    62 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:15 PM

    Speaking of good old days, I was about to compliment Elie on the huge improvement in his writing, then noticed it was Lat.

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    63 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:15 PM

    This guy is scum.

    But don't get me wrong - there's nothing more hip or clever or awesome than treating other people like crap.

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    64 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:16 PM

    *prominently adds "Not an asshole" to resume before sending off to S&C*

    -nervous T-10 1L

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    65 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:16 PM

    Lat we need you back! Why don't you just go back to WLRK hours and do both jobs?

    DB sounds awesome - like Michael Scott on crack.

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    66 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:18 PM

    This guy was a legend at CLS -- and in his summer class with another firm (where he split between three offices). During one Con Law class, he said the single most offensive and tasteless thing I've ever heard.

    He also told a law professor during lecture to keep the $100 bill that the professor had borrowed (actually had asked for a $20) to make an example in class -- because the professor probably needed the money more than him.

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    67 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:18 PM

    Guys at my high school...

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    68 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:19 PM

    180

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    69 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:21 PM

    I love the fact that he used to be fat- clearly he isn't over the fact that he was unable to get laid- EVER. Now that I think about it, sounds like most lawyers I know.

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    70 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:22 PM

    Rodge Cohen is the god of FIG M&A and is neither fat nor ugly.

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    71 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:23 PM

    This guy was a legend in law school -- and in his summer class with another firm (where he split between three offices).

    During one Con Law class, he said the single most offensive and tasteless thing I've ever heard. The entire lecture hall was suspended somewhere between speechlessness and manslaughter.

    He also told a law professor during lecture to keep the $100 bill that the professor had borrowed (actually had asked for a $20) to make an example in class -- because the professor probably needed the money more than him.

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    72 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:25 PM

    S&C = TTT

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    73 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:25 PM

    Yup, heard about this guy at CLS. Not really surprised this happened.

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    74 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 PM

    SK?

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    75 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:27 PM

    "During one Con Law class, he said the single most offensive and tasteless thing I've ever heard."

    if you don't tell us what he said, you will find the disembodied head of elie mystal in your bed tomorrow morning

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    76 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:28 PM

    What did he say 71? It's an anonymous blog...

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    77 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:29 PM

    26 said exactly what I was thinking.

    Am I the only one that thinks this is the kid of guy I'd want to hang out with?

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    78 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:31 PM

    "he said the single most offensive and tasteless thing I've ever heard"

    Great story there, guy. Are you available for parties?

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    79 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:32 PM

    74: no.
    77: "DB" was nowhere near that cool in person.

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    80 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:35 PM

    34, 61 - I love the Gossip Girl reference. Chuck Bass, however, would never do those things. He's always way more in control and deliberate and suave. Ok, I just felt 15 again. Ha!

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    81 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:37 PM

    80 likes birds.

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    82 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:37 PM

    Question is how did he even get an offer in the first place, and why did he even last this long?

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    83 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:38 PM

    . . . just as class ended, he approached a really soft-spoken sensitive-type gay man that everyone liked and asked -- loud enoug everyone in the class to heard,

    DB: hey, you're gay right?
    C: Yes?
    DB: I have a question. I have lots of gay friends and none of them will answer this. But, during gay sex, right? How do you guys keep from getting shit all over the place?

    C politely refused to answer the question and walked up the stairs toward the door. DB then appealed to the entire class, asking why none of his gay friends would answer that question, liberally sprinkling in anti-gay epithets in the aside.

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    84 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:38 PM

    Nice work Lat. Almost as entertaining as Hope Winters. Keep writing and you will get there!

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    85 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM

    i heard the cold offer went to 74

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    86 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM

    He almost seemed cool, what with being a massive tool and all, but then I realized he knows nothing about genetics and male-pattern-baldness.

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    87 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:40 PM

    82: CLS and wealthy family - what more do you need?

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    88 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:41 PM

    I would want to keep this guy around just to make my own comments seem better.
    I thought I was an ass...

    William Ayers

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    89 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:43 PM

    Dear "nervous t-10 1L"

    You are the most annoying poster...ever.
    I am a 1L at a t-20 school, and hope that more people at t-10 schools are as whimpy and whiny as you are. Knowing that a number of you are all shaky and sweaty during OCIs would really make my OCI season better. You are paving the way for people who actually want to be lawyers to make a good impression. Thanks!

    Yes, the economy sucks. Your bitch-assness is not going to change that, so man up or free up your seat and go back home where your parents can rub vick's on your chest.

    -1L who actually wants a job

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    90 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:45 PM

    The Tide would wipe the floor with Penn State, and they would beat Texass by a comfortable margin.

    Lets see how good Colt McCoy is when he gets some real pressure on him, for once. I hate the rinky dink offence that team, along with most other Big 12 teams, runs.

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    91 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:48 PM

    Where is this Sulivan and Cromwell?

    Who ever heard of this place?

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    92 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:49 PM

    didn't mean to offend Penn St! you do have an awesome team too. how about you, me (Texas), and the 'Bama guy (or gal?) just talk football instead of talking about some ex-S&C asshole and all the other assholes who like him?

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    93 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:50 PM

    What year was this kid at CLS? Why have my gossip networks failed me?

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    94 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:50 PM

    89: you should be "petrified 1L"

    *bites a bar of soap*

    -nervous T-10 1L

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    95 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:50 PM

    YES! Roll Tide. Wipe the floor with everyone.

    Alabama T-2....

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    96 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:51 PM

    "It was horrible - DB kept looking at Elie and saying "TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS, TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS" over and over again ! SC had to let him go !"

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    97 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:51 PM

    The SEC is overrated, especially this year. The Big XII is the best conference in college football, and Bama will get their salad tossed if they're lucky enough to play a, ahem, good team.

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    98 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:53 PM

    Jesus H. Christ. Take the masturbatory Alabama/Texas/Penn State shit somewhere else. This isn't nineteen-fucking-seventy-nine, Rivals.com or a USNWR ranking thread.

    And it's "offense" you fucking hick (91).

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    99 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:55 PM

    S&C only goes $60 for lunch? The peer firms I know go up to$75.

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    100 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:56 PM

    Sorry, 99, wrong name. Hell, not even the right initials.

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    101 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:57 PM

    The very pants he was returning.

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    102 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:57 PM

    Co-sign 62, 65, and the other comments to the same effect. So disappointing to think the writing is getting better and to then look at the byline and realize that the reason is because it was written by Lat. So much better than Elie's stuff. Please do more of the writing for this site . . . .

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    103 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:58 PM

    Hicks=Stupid=Texas=Why Locke Lord is failing.

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    104 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:58 PM

    DB got booted for pissing all over the seat.

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    105 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:58 PM

    Wasn't this the SNL sketch "Two A-holes Get Jobs at a Law Firm"?

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    106 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:58 PM

    98 and 100

    I will destroy each of you. Bottom Line.


    Yours truly Bama guy!

    PS--I am crushing each of your mothers right now, at the same time. You don't get this kind of box in the Big XII.

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    107 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:01 PM

    100 you are totally right. It is not 1979, it is 2008 and they are still good you DB...

    100+DB=Big XII....

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    108 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:01 PM

    19 is going to get the shit beat out of them. Saban is a BITCH.

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    109 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:02 PM

    i am ashamed to admit that this kid was in my cls class. what astounds me is that this tool got a job at S&C. how low are their standards?

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    110 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:06 PM

    "During one Con Law class, he said the single most offensive and tasteless thing I've ever heard."

    Well, what did he say, Francis?

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    111 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:09 PM

    114, if you would continue to read the comments, it appears at 83.

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    112 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:09 PM

    this guy should have done more to tarnish the reputation of the firm. s&c obviously deserves this. maybe they should put more thought into hiring standards instead of just taking students with the best grades. this guy sounds like a real jerk off. the DBs at s&c were either not bright enough to notice, or, more likely, didn't care. he should sue them for firing him.

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    113 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:09 PM

    114 - see 83

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    114 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:11 PM

    Hicks=Stupid=Texas=Why Locke Lord is failing.

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    115 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:13 PM

    "maybe they should put more thought into hiring standards instead of just taking students with the best grades"

    You've clearly never been involved in deciding which students will receive callback/summer offers at S&C, 118.

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    116 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:13 PM

    86 - you've outed yourself as someone like me, who carried that gene from the maternal side. Damn it.

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    117 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:14 PM

    I thought Rodgy Rodgin Cohen encouraged this kind of behavior.

    Say hi to your mother for me.

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    118 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:15 PM

    Obnoxious as this guy is... I lauged a lot. In person, I'd act repulsed, for sure. But there are some good lines.

    Question though - was this guy a LLM or foreign law student? They always had absolutely no clue about our level of PC, ethics, morality, hygiene...

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    119 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:16 PM

    Please use posting times rather than numbers to refer to other comments. This thread is about to get moderated, thanks to the names being tossed around, which will throw off all the numbers.

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    120 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:17 PM

    111--S&C has never exactly been known as a personality-driven law firm; maybe this is just more evidence that all they really care about is grades and pedigree, not whether a person is actually somebody you might want to work with someday.

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    121 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:17 PM

    is this guy for real? wherz he at now?

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    122 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:20 PM

    91 here

    Texas is a good team, with a good offense (thanks, anonymous spell checker), but they aren't disciples of The Saban. Lets face it, you guys (Texass) would be outplayed.

    Our D is just too good. Our O Line and D Line are unstoppable, thanks to Mount Cody and Andre Smith. Hopefully Cody will be back in and get over his sprained MCL. Javier Arenas? Rashad Johson? You have NOTHING on them.

    Penn State: after 2 years of watching Big 10 teams get embarrassed in the title game, please just sit this one out. You played one real team this season. You don't play a conference championship. Just forget about it.

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    123 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:20 PM

    126 (or 5:15 if 127 will) -

    LLM students don't summer. DB is clearly a JD.

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    124 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM

    The no offer did not summer in Hong Kong from what I know.

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    125 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:22 PM

    5:16 is right - use posting times, not numbers. The numbers on this thread have been thrown off by the removal of some earlier comments.

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    126 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:22 PM

    Hicks=Stupid=Texas=Why Locke Lord is failing.

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    127 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:22 PM

    5:16 (that used to be 127)-

    Damn it! You're right.

    5:20

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    128 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:25 PM

    why did the numbers of the posts changed? were some deleted? I'm confused.

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    129 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:25 PM

    If we're removing posts, can we please get rid of the pointless and completely irrelevant College Gameday discussion going on here? I'm a football fan myself, but this is just ridiculous and could easily be continued at a more appropriate internet location.

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    130 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:26 PM

    SEC has been dominant for years, but you're just being stubborn if you won't admit that the Big 12 is the best conference this year. I don't think Penn St. or Alabama have much of a chance at beating UT.

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    131 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:27 PM

    SkaddenDC is actively recruiting this guy.

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    132 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:28 PM

    5:15pm - aside from your comment being somewhat ignorant and somewhat true, you really think that a "foreign" lawyer would know enough to yell out "where my battered women at" ??

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    133 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:29 PM

    JUST ACCEPTED MY OFFER !!! WAHOOOOOO

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    134 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:30 PM

    DB was more than a legend at CLS ... he was THE legend (at least for our JD class):

    1. At on-campus interviews, he interviewed with 6 different Skadden offices and spent every spare moment in their hospitality suite, "because Skadden is the best law firm and clearly where I belong."

    2. After dropping ~80 lbs. over 1L summer, he made a point of loudly mocking overweight people at every law school social event.

    3. A junior partner saw DB double-fisting at a firm's cocktail event for 1Ls and said, "maybe you want to slow down a little there." DB's response (with his nametag on!) was, "i'll drink as much as i f-ing want to ... it's not like you're going to give any of the 1Ls summer jobs anyway."

    4. In a 130-person contracts class , DB asked a 15 minutes long "hypothetical" question about whether an agreement with "someone's" rich uncle under which that "someone" could not get "around 4 million dollars" unless that "someone" went to law school was enforceable.

    5. Despite his obvious charm and savvy, DB did not get a summer offer from any of the firms he interviewed with on-campus. Career Svcs. had to pull strings and eventually landed him a summer job at a firm's foreign office.

    6. In the CLS Law Revue show, he was given a (repeated) shout-out during a song listing things students hated. Another student with a similar name was so concerned that people would think the reference was about him (instead of DB) that an announcement had to be made clarifying who the song was about.

    7. DB told a female partner at S+C that he thought that a firm event at the ballet was "an excellent idea, since it reinforced traditional gender roles."

    FYI, no one is quite sure how/why he was hired at S+C.

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    135 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:31 PM

    is this guy clerking right now? (Just so we know if we're talking about the same person)

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    136 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:32 PM

    5:25 - It looks like some comments attempting to out the guy have been removed (and the commenters probably banned).

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    137 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:35 PM

    5:30 - thank you, thank you. especially enjoyed #6

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    138 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:36 PM

    134:

    This guy is UNBELIEVABLE. Please tell more stories. He's like James Bond or something. 3,4,6,7 are better than anything anyone could fabricate about some fictional super douche.

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    139 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:37 PM

    Where the hell is Part II already???

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    140 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:38 PM

    last?

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    141 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:38 PM

    hey... don't criticize Nervouse t10 1L. I find his comments amusing, and a welcome respite from the annoying fuckers who spend all their time proofing the blog posts.

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    142 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:39 PM

    lulz at 5:32

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    143 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:40 PM

    hey... don't criticize Nervouse t10 1L. I find his comments amusing, and a welcome respite from the annoying fuckers who spend all their time proofing the blog posts.

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    144 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:42 PM

    "No fat chicks."
    - S&C Associate

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    145 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:42 PM

    I find it hard to believe that someone like this actually exists. He must be the most offensive person on earth.

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    146 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:45 PM

    The crappy thing about this guy is that he's so outrageous, he's not just a DB, he's probably got some kind of mental condition, disorder or chemical imbalance. Which makes me have to feel kinda sorry for him. But I really want to hate him for being such a DB.

    I met a whole bunch of Chuck Basses in training at CLS when my DH was in school there. Especially around interview season. They took pretension to new heights.

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    147 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:46 PM

    I cannot believe nobody has pointed out that we have finally discovered the true identity of
    FRAT STUD

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    148 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:46 PM

    5:31 - No.

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    149 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:47 PM

    S&C hires strictly based on school and grades. Personality means nothing. Interestingly, that ususally means they are a bunch of dorks with no personality -- here they got quite the personality. When will idiot law firms realize that hiring is more than grades/school. Yes, you must be bright. But most of the time practicing ain't rocket science. The person does matter -- and when it comes to building business it helps a lot.

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    150 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:48 PM

    ? lulz at 5:32

    what us lulz?

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    151 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:49 PM

    ? lulz at 5:32

    what is lulz?

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    152 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:50 PM

    Guys in my high school used to unveil the true identity of FRAT STUD all the time, it was no big deal.

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    153 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:51 PM

    clearly not a rich guy.
    tried to use wealth as identity so he can avoid being just another dude.
    clearly super insecure.
    Should get his ass beat.

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    154 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:51 PM

    5:47 demonstrates a fine grasp of anecdote and sterotype, but reveals an utter lack of experience with S&C interviewing practices (aside from perhaps getting dinged).

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    155 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:51 PM

    I love nervous 1L.

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    156 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:52 PM

    wow. I move that this guy be called the "uberdouche", so as not to ruin the term "douchebag" for the rest of us.

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    157 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:53 PM

    #154 (5:51) = defensive S&C lawyer.

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    158 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:54 PM

    S&C tax group is a minyan of dorks!

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    159 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:55 PM

    To Bill Brasky!!!

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    160 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:57 PM

    I've worked with people like this (although none were as douchey as this guy sounds). DBs like the fine young lad add something positive to a firm, in my opinion. They are a source of much needed comic relief, so long as they do not stay at the firm more than 5 years and/or develop a significant book of business quickly (at which point they can begin to have clout, which is not good).

    Right now, I am working with a nice group of fine folks without a serious mental disorder among them. I don't have much contact with the known DBs in the firm. Boring!

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    161 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:57 PM

    look at the way 154 writes -- point made.
    game. set. match

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    162 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:03 PM

    153: no, family has money. I imagine he's noveau riche.

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    163 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:05 PM

    ....umm....roll tide?

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    164 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:08 PM

    6:05 RTR

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    165 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:13 PM

    Hillarious. I love guys that have no internal monologue and just spout whatever comes to their mind. I can totally understand not wanting one at your firm, but the absolute best times are going out with guys like this who make women cry.

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    166 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:14 PM

    Lat, please come back. I swore off ATL but couldn't resist this link from a friend who told me you wrote it. I miss you.

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    167 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:22 PM

    149

    spoken like a true C stttudenttt.

    law, at its highest levels, does require quick and creative thinking - you know, the type of thinking tested on law exams.....

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    168 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM

    I really can't understand for the life of me how DB was even given an offer in the first place - from what I've been hearing, I find it hard to believe that he could even conceal/suppress his DBness for a 20-minute OCI interview.
    During my OCI interview and callbacks, and even at offer receptions, I always felt like I had to be especially careful to mind my p's and q's, that I was being judged constantly, and even tested on a few occasions. I would have thought that the confident but even-keel sort of guy who who these firms are looking for.

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    169 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM

    167, neither your conveyed attitude, nor your lack of writing ability, are welcome at S&C; we trust you will find acceptance at Cadwalader.

    With kind regards.

    -154

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    170 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:30 PM

    Anyone have any stories about a female equivalent of this guy? I mean, nobody approaches this guy, obviously, but I'd love to hear some stories about female summers or associates who piss everyone off.

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    171 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:32 PM

    6:26, other associates at S&C were, and remain, likewise mystified. I'm not sure which lawyers were personally involved in DB's recruiting process, but I'm sure they've all taken some ribbing about him.

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    172 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:49 PM

    lat, don't keep us waiting!

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    173 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM

    i love DB.

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    174 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:01 PM

    I'd like to see what DB has to say about nervous T-10 1asshoLe

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    175 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:02 PM

    Why do people insist on referring to Lat in their posts? He doesn't work here anymore.

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    176 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:03 PM

    Ladies, I run 33.33% of a hedge fund in NY. It's...mmmm...."lucrative." I guess shorting everything under the sun last Nov. 07 helped. But that's not why I called. My firm hires people like DB. Why? Because people like DB aren't pussies. You? You're a pussy - probably Catholic or bi or something. A good match for doc review. So lay off DB. He's the next L. Brooks Entwistle.

    Enjoy flying coach. Idiots.

    http://socialight.com/public/users/2/1/2118/images/21180.441425436136393_small.png

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    177 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:15 PM

    Are the S&C offices in NYC nice?

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    178 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:16 PM

    175- check author

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    179 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:19 PM

    DB = the legal equivalent of Sidd Fynch

    Signed,
    George Plimpton

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    180 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:20 PM

    "Where my battered women at?"

    Tasteless. Funny in retrospect, but tasteless.

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    181 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:20 PM

    Where does Rodgin live?

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    182 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:26 PM

    How many floors does S&C have in NYC?

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    183 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:35 PM

    They own about half their building in NYC, about 20 floors.

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    184 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:00 PM

    ironically DB approximates his real initials

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    185 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:05 PM

    Sadly, sounds like your typical S&C attorney...

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    186 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:07 PM

    "Question though - was this guy a LLM or foreign law student? They always had absolutely no clue about our level of PC, ethics, morality, hygiene..."

    118 - You should be ashamed of making such an uneducated comment that generalizes a huge group without basis...

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    187 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:17 PM

    "Sadly, sounds like your typical attorney..."

    Fixed it; you had an extra word in there, 8:05.

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    188 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:32 PM

    To all the s&c haters: thanks for your freakin advice on hiring policy, but s&c seems to be doing just fine. their grades/school/pedigree emphasis si sorta working, and they prefer not to hire frat-boy morons who have "personality." who gives a damn if doc review monkeys have "personality" anyway?

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    189 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 PM

    Worked in S&C's London office. No one even came close to being like the tosser described in this thread. S&C's London attorneys, with a few exceptions, were worldly and bright, and, perhaps following the British way of thinking, were loathe to call attention to themselves. I met no one like the person described here. Attorneys in London would have been horrified by that wanker.

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    190 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:03 PM

    I think McCain should suspend his campaign to go waterboard this guy or something

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    191 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:22 PM

    It's just the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

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    192 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:26 PM

    Guys at my high school used to act like DBs all the time, it was no big deal.

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    193 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:35 PM

    what a douche

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    194 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:41 PM

    i too immediately thought of tucker max

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    195 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:49 PM

    I knew Tucker Max in college. He is much classier than this DB.

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    196 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 PM

    8:46 (& 8:47)-very common to confuse loathe with loath.

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    197 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:58 PM

    I've crushed roaches in the hallway that were classier than DB_.

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    198 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:59 PM

    This guy is awesome. I'd like to take a bunch of sedatives and get drunk with him. I would obviously need the sedatives before hanging out with him so I could resist the urge to punch him in the throat.

    I worked with a guy once that - while not rising to this level of douche-ness - did do a couple of hilarious things. Namely, he called the building engineers to his office to request that they drill a new grommet (the hole that the cords go through) on his desk because he did not like the way the current one was positioned. He was very upset when they declined his request. He also threatened to run over a more senior associate with a cab if SHE didn't back away from (what he was convinced was) his cab.

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    199 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:26 PM

    DB is a huge douche, but that's pretty much expected at S&C. To get a job at S&C you need to have a good pedigree, high grades, an impressive resume, and also be an enormous asshole, tool or douchebag. S&C culture glorifies "hardcore" work ethic and spending money. People pride themselves on how many hours they bill (300 per month is considered standard) and how much their shirts cost. This type of culture is only going to attract tools.

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    200 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:49 PM

    I went to high school with Tucker Max

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    201 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:52 PM

    He went to Blair Academy

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    202 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:59 PM

    Tucker Max?

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