omg im first

firsty?

Loyola Baby

They did not bother ranking GULC, because ......well you know why......

UVA2L

2, 3: PWN3D!

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"fan favorites" without mention of GULC?

UChicago = TTT

I did a study of lawyers I know or have met and ranked them from most annoying to least annoying. Then I looked up their law schools. Then I put the data into excel and came up with a list of which law schools produce the most annoying people. I'll release my rankings soon... to much fanfare. Stay tuned.

Sorry. Forgot about GULC. Honest oversight, no offense meant.
-- Elie

Mystal leaving the legal practice single-handedly propelled Harvard in the top 5 by boosting its average alum attorney ranking by 3 points. Nicely done!

NYU is such a TTT.

UChicago = TTT

UChicago = TTT

UChicago = TTT

UChicago = TTT

UChicago = TTT

#5 = racist

GULC = 7.13 = TTT

BC Law in at a respectable 7.01.

http://www.avvo.com/stats/school_detail/boston-college-law-school-37

MOST importantly, ahead of BU law at 6.83.

http://www.avvo.com/stats/school_detail/boston-university-school-of-law-38

Blah blah TTT etc.

Making fun of NYLS... I'd say populist pandering but I agree.

Penn is the same school as UPenn St, no? Why are there two different scores?

we're busy people... the least you can do is put up scores for the t14 so we don't have to look it up ourselves. sheesh.

Baltimore Law baby!

suck it, GW.

Elie,

Please fixed the ranking... why is Chicago and Columbia 4 and 5 when they have the same score as Harvard? It should be:

1. Yale

2. Stanford

3. Chicago; Columbia; Harvard (alphabetical is only fair)

cock

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this ranking is fuctarded. who even see stanford grads with any degree of regularity? and ranking u of c and columbia the same as harvard? whatever...

If you go look at the Avvo webpage you do, in fact, realize that 28 is correct - the rankings are fuctarded.

#24 nailed it, hammer style.

Those rankings are utterly meaningless and pointless. I am a third year, and I have a slightly higher ranking than a partner at my firm who is excellent. Neither of us has any client reviews. It makes absolutely no sense.

I knew my Loyola degree was freakin awesome.

AVVO = Pay to play

Avvo is a retarded site. You really shouldn't encourage them.

GULC> Cornell (7.03)

Bob was Link'ed again today. He doesn't seem to produce the kind of skills America is looking for in a lawyer. UT Vols to TTT!

How about actually looking at how Avvo comes up with its attorney rankings? It's far from meaningful.

the avvo rankings are pretty worthless in my opinion. i was ranked (highly, as a matter of fact) exclusively based on info from my firm bio. they never consulted me (or any third parties, as far as i know) about it, nor have they let me know that a profile exists. a friend found it randomly online while googling me.

What about Widener?

I hope nobody is taking AVVO rankings seriously. They're complete fluff.

what happened to GW? i know lots of swell lawyers from GW!

GULC > Northwestern (7.10)

Avvo uses some formula based on years of experience, # of disciplinary cases against you, # of appearances in court they can track, etc. It's hardly a measure of anything.

What is UPenn State?

Ouch, WUSTL = 6.62

UNC performs respectably, outpacing GW, UGA, Emory, Wake, BU, ND, W&L, tied with UCLA.

What is UPenn State?

No hyperlink to the Avvo's site?

Come on, Ellie.

No hyperlink to the Avvo's site?

Come on, Ellie.

the link is on the bottom of the post you nitwit.

The truly suprising thing is that the standard deviation seems to be so small between schools. They use a 1-10 scale for individual lawyers, but when looked at via law school the overall difference between the highest (Yale - 7.6) Aand the lowest (Florida Costal -6.0) is quite small (1.6) relative to the range (10).

Washington and Lee University is for spanks who could not get into Duke, GW or UVA.

NYU isn't in the top 5 because more NYU students have babies and leave big firm life to take care of them. This isn't discrimination at all.

Abovethelaw daily cycle: one article scaring the associates that they won't get bonuses/will get fired, one "thinker" article about how fill in blank group is discriminated against, one article to pin egoes against each other. Rinse and repeat. This is getting so boring.

You also forgot to include Fordham! Dunce!

Interstingly enough, Brown Univeristy School of law (R.I.) is highly ranked...with 2 alumni and a rating of 7.25.

http://www.avvo.com/stats/school_detail/brown-university--school-of-law-3298

Riiiiiiiiiiight

After much thought and consideration on why Lat continues to pay MysTTTal to run his legal blog into the groun, I've come to the following conclusion.

Lat is not paying MysTTTal, but instead Harvard has been forced to sell off one-third of its endowment portfolio to generate enough liquid cash to pay Lat the market price for having to deal with such an incompetent mound of lard in order for Harvard to avoid the further embarassment of Elie actually practicing law.

You also forgot to include Fordham! Dunce!

Interstingly enough, Brown Univeristy School of law (R.I.) is highly ranked...with 2 alumni and a rating of 7.25.

http://www.avvo.com/stats/school_detail/brown-university--school-of-law-3298

Riiiiiiiiiiight

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I agree
W&L Law = TTT

-Prestigious Southerner

Is Chapman the new paradigmatic TTT?

Has anyone paused to consider the potential copyright infringment issues Elie's use of Brain raises?

I'm just sayin.

~Bored DNJ Law Clerk.

I think most comments are by 'legal assistants' from 'in their own head elite' state schools who are at V20 shops in NYC. right? right?

go photocopy my balls

1. Yale – 7.6
2. Harvard – 7.4
3. Stanford – 7.5
4. Columbia – 7.4
5. NYU – 7.34
6. UC Berkeley – 7.26
7. Chicago – 7.4
8. Penn – 7.23
9. NW – 7.1
10. Michigan – 7.25
11. UVA – 7.2
12. Cornell – 7.03
13. Duke – 7.21
14. GULC – 7.13
15. Vandy – 7.17
16. UCLA – 6.95
17. UT – Austin – 7.11
18. USC – 7.03
19. WUSTL – 6.62
20. GW – 6.88
21. BU – 6.83
22. Emory – 6.85
23. Minnesota – 7.04
24. Notre Dame – 6.92
25. Washington & Lee – 6.83
26. BC – 7.01
27. Fordham – 6.7
28. Illinois – 6.71
29. Iowa – 6.76
30. W&M – 6.57
31. Washington – 7.31
32. OSU – 6.68
33. Alabama – 6.45
34. Colorado – 6.99
35. Georgia – 6.82
36. Indiana – 6.57
37. Wisconsin – 6.95
38. George Mason – 6.4
39. Arizona – 6.90
40. UC Hastings – 6.85
41. UNC – 6.94
42. Maryland – 6.81
43. Wake Forest – 6.80
44. Tulane – 6.73
45. UC Davis – 6.78
46. American – 6.56
47. Brigham Young – 6.49
48. Southern Methodist – 6.86
49. Connecticut – 6.85
50. Florida – 6.86

I think the blatant racism of Washington and Lee University School of Law should be discussed thoroughly.

--UVA2L

For being a site with "rankings" it's surprisingly difficult to determine a given school's "rank" (except for those top and bottom five).

61 -- Yes, only the USNWR ranking counts!

southern prestige? bs

Awesome site! Hot or Not for lawyers. Totally reliable. I am going to be writing client reviews on everyone I hate all afternoon.

Seems like a decent idea, but they don't have anywhere near enough data to make it meaningful. And their criteria are all wrong. But attempts to measure things "objectively" are almost always a good thing -- even if they don't work, they lead to better follow-up attempts.

Signed,
T1 (Avvo) Alum.

63 - agreed. Anyone want to post up a list for shits and giggles. I think Loyola is T14 on this list.

retarded site.

seriously, photocopy my balls.

balls

UConn Law = 6.85
BU Law = 6.83

Yup... sounds about right.

BU just got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxnWl63Avo4

64 - feel free to post the master list

Seriously they should just close Cooley Law School. Renaming it Michigan State doesn't help its cause.

Went down faster

Abovethelaw.com or Pets.com?

Discuss

Wow, Idaho is rated surprisingly high compared to top50 schools

Colorado = 6.99
Northwestern = 7.1

Watch out NW, the Buffalo are coming for you!

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Gary Barnett go to hell! Stop raping kickers!

Wow, Idaho is rated surprisingly high compared to top50 schools

The losers on this list: Northwestern, Cornell, WUSTL, Fordham

The winners on this list: Duke, Vandy, UT-Austin, BC, Minnesota, SMU

FWIW.

Washington is a real anomaly. It's higher than Michigan, GULC, or UVA....

I knew somebody who flunked out of Florida Coastal and he was easily the stupidest person I have ever met. Therefore, these rankings are completely correct.

Apparently BU is full of students who couldn't get in to Southern Methodist. Tough break.

I think everyone here is overlooking the best law school in the nation: Gerry Spence Trial Lawyers College with a score of 7.77. Clearly the better choice than Yale.

http://www.avvo.com/stats/school_detail/gerry-spence-trial-lawyers-college-2919

"Long live elitism mixed with unscientific facts."

What are you saying here? Is it that you recognize that these ratings/rankings are far from statistically valid and could be misleading?

But the statistics the National Association of Women Lawyers published yesterday, those are still good, right?

There is the University of Pennsylvania.

There is also The Pennsylvania State University.

There is no such thing as UPenn State.

There is the University of Pennsylvania.

There is the Pennsylvania State University.

There is no such thing as UPenn State.

UPenn State (Philly Campus) is the only school to hold a T10 spot in both the USNWR and BCS rankings!

You know that avvo is pure bullshit, right? They just make up a number and assign it to you for absolutely nothing. Then, if you claim your profile (i.e. lend some illusion of credibility to their bullshit) they tack two points on to your rating. So, if the average Florida Coastal Grad claimed their avvo profile, they would be better than a HLS or YLS grad?

Also, don't you think it is worth mentioning that anyone can vote on your rating? It could be a pissed-off ex-girlfriend, your drinking buddies, or you could even do it yourself.

But, hey, expecting the post to get that info across would basically require a smart person to post it. If Elie keeps pulling stunts like this HLS may revoke her degree in order to protect its cherished 7.4 avvo rank. Either that or have their OCS person make up a bunch of phony reviews as a hedge against future bungling.

It doesnt suprise me that Florida Coastal is in last place. Two years ago they tried to recruit me by sending me a postcard with a picture of one hundred dollar bills floating on the beach that offered a free 80 gig Ipod to anyone who enrolled. When you are appealing to people who are persuaded into major life decisions through the use of cheap trinkets, what do you expect?

I only have enough $ to apply to 3 of the 4 Top 10 PUBLIC law schools: BERKELEY, PENN, MICHIGAN, and UVA (USNWR ranking).

What should I cut out? Where will I have my best chances of getting in?

-- Lowly Paralegal

86 = bitter UPenn state grad.

I whole-heartedly endorse the use of Avvo rankings to identify the level of school you attend.

Props to Wash for reaching Avvo7 status.

Dear Mystal,

Please, as editor of a law blog, get the names of law school correct.

UPenn/Penn = University of Pennsylvania

Penn State = Pennsylvania State University

UPenn State = NONEXISTENT

Thank you,

Former ATL Reader

Those of you who "corrected" Elie on his "UPenn State" reference just fell for the troll bait.

(It is a recurring meme in ATL comments to confuse U. Penn. and Penn State, which is erroneously referred to as "UPenn State.")

94, pwn3d by 95.

You must not be a regular ATL reader if you fell for the troll bait.

Oh no, I am. I just expect more from the EIC than I do from the comments.

Wow, this is really scientific. I'm totally going to bet my company on the strength of these rankings.

"31. Washington – 7.31"

That makes Washington the #6 school in the country! Way to go Washington!

Of course, it's entirely possible that there is ONE Washington Alum on Avvo, and that the ONE person got a ranking of 7.31.

95: Elie, is that you?

Engineer 1: Just saw the rankings...turns out Obama didn't even go to the top law school.
Engineer 2: hyuk hyuk hyuk...yea...and now he's running the entire country.
Legal Department: ...

Legal Department: TORNADO BITCH SLAPPPPP!!!!

GULC over Northwestern? Keep dreaming...

Confirmation that these rankings are INACCURATE: TULANE's "disciplinary sanctions" count is only two digits.

@ 45, that is just sad. A decade ago UNC would be comparing itself to UVa, Duke, Texas, etc. Now you are happy you beat out Emory and W&L?

96 - what does pwn3d mean?

105-- it means you are talking to a child.

59, no, but don't you think that PINKY is a much better avatar for Elie than THE BRAIN?

Just saying... The Brain knows Russian.

People,

PLEASE stop responding to the trolls that are trying to confuse people about U Penn State. (yeah I'm looking at you 86/87 & 94). If you keep responding, they will never stop. That's why they are trolls.

Jeez, you people must be new to the interwebs.

Go Yale!

Fan favorites and you didnt mention Miami?

6.74, better than alot of supposedly superior schools.

We're not all bimbos and prostitute soliciting criminal procedure professors.

Fan favorites and you didnt mention Miami?

6.74, better than alot of supposedly superior schools.

We're not all bimbos and prostitute soliciting criminal procedure professors.

Fan favorites and you didnt mention Miami?

6.74, better than alot of supposedly superior schools.

We're not all bimbos and prostitute soliciting criminal procedure professors.

Fan favorites and you didnt mention Miami?

6.74, better than alot of supposedly superior schools.

We're not all bimbos and prostitute soliciting criminal procedure professors.

This is a good example of why the old argument that Yalies are just professorial-types without practical experience or true legal excellence is nor borne out by reality.

This is a good example of why the old argument that Yalies are just professorial-types without practical experience or true legal excellence is nor borne out by reality.

This is a good example of why the old argument that Yalies are just professorial-types without practical experience or true legal excellence is nor borne out by reality.

Go Princeton Law School!

W&L Law was the first TTT. It regularly gets shit in by UVA, W&M, Duke, Vandy, GULC, GW, and Regent.

-Prestigious Southerner

Everybody do the WUSTL!
(while kicking the corpse of a once-great law school now known as the GULC TTT JD Factory)

hahaha....i love how 118 threw in Regent at the end just to add insult to injury.

118,
you sir are incorrect. I have hired all of my overseers from Gen. Lee's fine institution and let me say, they show a firm hand in the field and a gentleman's comportment at the cotillion.

Cornell should kill self. This puts them down near the Gulc Waitlist school rank

Avvo only ranks schools that have >500 attorney grads. This means that LOTS of T3s and T4s have sub-6 rankings, but they're not counted. See:
Florida A&M, Barry Uni, Florida International U (yes, Florida is a cesspool of law schools).

Avvo only ranks schools that have >500 attorney grads. This means that LOTS of T3s and T4s have sub-6 rankings, but they're not counted. See:
Florida A&M, Barry Uni, Florida International U (yes, Florida is a cesspool of law schools).

123/124 is trying to justify being at a school that is in the bottom 5.

There is 14.5 times more scientific rigor embodied in the KRAFT Dinner recipe than in avvo ratings.

Does University of Maryland even have a law school?
GW>GULC>UMD

I've been trying to tell you losers for months that FCU is #1. Suck it.

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GW>GULC>UMD>Regent>W&L

-Prestigious Southerner

The value of those rankings is clearly shown by the fact that they either list law schools under multiple names or list nonexistant law schools (as demonstrated by there being a listing for both the University of Virginia School of Law and Virginia School of Law both located in Charlottesville, VA which means that UVA is listed at least twice). Their creditibility level is furthermore demonstrated by the fact that they have no or minimal data from some states (such as Virginia, for example).

Say one thing about W&L - for a former all male school,. they definitely have some attractive coeds (assuming one likes rich conservative Southern White girls). Its a good school, but I see no reason why anyone would choose to go to W&L over one of the better public schools in the South. Its just not worth the extra money - and you have to live in the Valley of the Shadow of Ignorance (as one of my friends from there described it) while attending law school.

130- highly credited, particularly re: W&L

130 is a tool

108: problem is that Elie started this bit (see post). Hoping that he did it deliberately. And another reason why Avvo is a useless site: seriously outdated info. My friend's family grew by 2 since his info was correct.

74: Michigan State College of Law and Cooley Law School are two separate institutions. Detroit College of Law was moved to East Lansing and renamed Michigan State College of Law to further align it with the University. Cooley is still in Lansing, Michigan.

NYU stole Richard Epstein. Suck it Chitown Law. All your faculties are belong to us.

NYU stole Richard Epstein. Suck it Chitown Law. All your faculties are belong to us.

I find it interesting that you failed to list what the highest possible score and the lowest possible score is so that a reader could accurately judge the rating (for what little value it really has). As a Brooklyn Law School graduate at a time when it was not rated at all, I've done well for myself, as have many of my classmates and those in the years before and after me (i.e. Mr. Green of Epstein Baker and Green is just one example).
As someone who has been a lawyer for almost 40 years, and a judge for 27, these ratings are way "over rated" and too much is made of them. College students looking for a law school ought to look for the school with the best programs to suit their needs, and firms looking for new associates ought to look for individuals with the best credentials based on grades, internships, writings, etc. instead of the school the student attends.

I find it interesting that you failed to list what the highest possible score and the lowest possible score is so that a reader could accurately judge the rating (for what little value it really has). As a Brooklyn Law School graduate at a time when it was not rated at all, I've done well for myself, as have many of my classmates and those in the years before and after me (i.e. Mr. Green of Epstein Baker and Green is just one example).
As someone who has been a lawyer for almost 40 years, and a judge for 27, these ratings are way "over rated" and too much is made of them. College students looking for a law school ought to look for the school with the best programs to suit their needs, and firms looking for new associates ought to look for individuals with the best credentials based on grades, internships, writings, etc. instead of the school the student attends.

This is a joke right? UNC is not even on the radar a decade ago or now. It's an irrelevent law school.

@ 45, that is just sad. A decade ago UNC would be comparing itself to UVa, Duke, Texas, etc. Now you are happy you beat out Emory and W&L?

This site has the most douchy posters on the internet. And I bet every one of you thinks you are gods gift to the legal profession, legal education, women/men, etc. News flash -- you are all simply douches.