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Associate Bonus Watch: Dewey & LeBoeuf Pulls a Half-Skadden Too

law firm associate bonus watch 2008 biglaw bonuses.jpgAt this point, why would you pay market rate? Half-Skadden opened the door, and now other firms are crashing through like there's a sale at Wal-Mart.

The latest predictable news comes from Dewey & LeBoeuf:

Class of 2008 -- $17,500 (pro-rated)

Class of 2007 -- $17,500

Class of 2006 -- $20,000

Class of 2005 -- $22,500

Class of 2004 -- $25,000

Class of 2003 -- $27,500

Class of 2002 -- $30,000

Class of 2001 -- $32,500

Dewey also announced bonuses for their London office. See the full U.K. scale, plus read the full U.S. bonus memo, after the jump.

Dewey logo.JPGHere's the Dewey - London bonus scale:

Tier 1:

2008 £10,350 (pro rata)

2007 £10,350

2006 £12,150

2005 £13,500

2004 £14,850

2003 £16,650

2002 £18,000

2001 £19,575

Tier 2:

2008 £11,500 (pro rata)

2007 £11,500

2006 £13,500

2005 £15,000

2004 £16,500

2003 £18,500

2002 £20,000

2001 £21,750

While you pray that S&C comes in and sets things right, here's some food for thought. There are a couple of important nuggets that make Dewey's bonus not quite as onerous as those given by Half-Skadden and similar firms. First of all, Dewey is at least acknowledging that work for junior associates is hard to come by:

To be eligible for a bonus, full-time associates must have billed at least 2,000 hours in 2008. This total may include a combination of fee-earning, pro bono and partner-approved and other accountable hours. We realize that it is often difficult for new associates to reach this target. Therefore, all associates in their first full year with the firm (Class of 2007) will be eligible for a bonus irrespective of their actual hours billed.

That's nice. All dogs go to heaven.

Meanwhile, there is still the possibility that high billers will get more money:

Associates in the Class of 2006 and more senior will be eligible for an additional discretionary bonus if they have billed 2,200 hours (including a minimum of 2,000 client billable hours) in 2008. This additional bonus will take into account both seniority and total hours billed.

Dewey doesn't say how much discretionary money is available, but this might be a way to avoid punishing people who have work for the fact that others are slow.

It seems as if Dewey is the first firm to make Half-Skadden bonuses slightly less unfair to hardworking associates. Hopefully, other top firms that are unwilling or unable to match Skadden will follow Dewey's lead instead of Half-Skadden's example.

DEWEY & LEBOEUF -- MEMORANDUM -- ASSOCIATE BONUSES

Dewey & LeBoeuf's counsel and associates have made significant contributions to our strong performance in 2008, our first full year as a combined firm, and a year marked by great economic uncertainties across the globe and unprecedented turmoil in worldwide financial markets.

It is important to look back and appreciate the outstanding work of our counsel and associates in 2008. In recognition of their individual efforts and the overall performance of our firm, we have determined that eligible associates in our U.S. offices will receive the following bonus amounts for their contributions in 2008:

Class of 2008 -- $17,500 (pro-rated)
Class of 2007 -- $17,500
Class of 2006 -- $20,000
Class of 2005 -- $22,500
Class of 2004 -- $25,000
Class of 2003 -- $27,500
Class of 2002 -- $30,000
Class of 2001 -- $32,500

To be eligible for a bonus, full-time associates must have billed at least 2,000 hours in 2008. This total may include a combination of fee-earning, pro bono and partner-approved and other accountable hours. We realize that it is often difficult for new associates to reach this target. Therefore, all associates in their first full year with the firm (Class of 2007) will be eligible for a bonus irrespective of their actual hours billed.

To receive a bonus, attorneys must also be considered by the firm to be in good standing. Bonuses for counsel and associates in the Class of 2000 and more senior will be determined on an individual basis. Associates in the Class of 2006 and more senior will be eligible for an additional discretionary bonus if they have billed 2,200 hours (including a minimum of 2,000 client billable hours) in 2008. This additional bonus will take into account both seniority and total hours billed.

As we look ahead to the difficult business conditions in 2009, we will once again rely heavily on the hard work and steadfast commitment of our associates to provide world-class service for our clients and instill our firm's culture and values throughout our organization.

On behalf of the partners, I would like to thank all of our counsel and associates for helping to drive the continued success of our business in today's tough economic environment. By working together and maintaining our intense focus on providing exceptional service to our clients, I am confident that our firm will overcome whatever challenges lie ahead in 2009 and beyond.

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:35 PM

first yeehaw

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:36 PM

This delicious Hunan Chicken is making me FIRSTy!

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:36 PM

Edamame! Eat my ass #6!

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:37 PM

Somebody needs to look up the definition of "market rate"

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:37 PM

first

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:37 PM

At what point did "market" come to mean the highest out there rather than the usual rate? Just because you pay 20 bucks for a 2-liter of Coke doesn't make that the market price. It just makes you an idiot.

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:37 PM

Third

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:37 PM

UK bonuses are higher than US!!!!

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:38 PM

Why do you still call it Half-Skadden? Skadden is obviously the outlier. The market clearly isn't Skadden. The market is what these guys - Cravath, Dewey, etc. - are paying. You're not going to make these other firms look bad because one firm had an extraordinary year, planned ahead, cut costs elsewhere, etc.

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:39 PM

Would you rather they be called "Half-Orrick"?

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:43 PM

Ok, I'm a Skadden associate and even I am starting to get annoyed with this "Half-Skadden" crap.

Stop it. I will still gloat, but now it's just gotten tacky.

-Skadden Associate

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:44 PM

Just to be clear: Dewey is the first firm with an hours minimum to impose the half-bonus, correct?

I think most other firms will follow suit but theres a big difference between lockstep firms cutting everyone's big bonuses and minimum hours firms cutting bonuses that only apply to people with actual work!

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:44 PM

Only tools comment on these posts.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:46 PM

12 - agree. They are saving a lot more money.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:46 PM

Sucks for Dewey associates, at least in transactional practices. I know quite a few lawyers over there, and like most transactional lawyers in NYC they are not even close to 2000 hours this year. 1600 maybe, but not 2000. And for you gunner law students who think 2000 is easy if you include pro bono - in my experience no one ever takes on more than 100 hours worth of pro bono work in a single year for fear of getting slammed with real work on top of pro bono commitments when things pick up.

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:47 PM

Showing pounds instead of dollars just makes it feel a lot classier.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:47 PM

Things must be REALLY bad at Milbank if Dewey beat them to the punch.


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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:48 PM

Can we call Dewey "Crystal Skadden"? You know, like Crystal Pepsi? Wouldn't that be cool? Or maybe "Skadsel" after Skadden and the Edsel. Nah. We should probably save Skadsel for Sullivan & Cromwell. We also have to get around to Skanotpayingashighabonusbecasethemarketsucksden.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:50 PM

Good point 12. Firms with hours requirements could probably pay the Skadden bonus and still save money, given how few associates actually made their hours this year. They'd get the PR bump of paying above market, but only have to pay out to a small percentage of associates.

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:50 PM

17 - sorry you were fired by Milbank. get over it.

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:50 PM

Agree with #9. It is time for everyone to admit that Skadden just did better this year and is in a stronger position for these difficult times than its peers. Skadden is not market - it is better than market.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:50 PM

isn't it "LeBoeuf" with a capital B? Elie's rendition of the firm's name doesn't match the name in the memo. Elie must have failed high school French.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:51 PM

Wake up, this IS market rate.

Don't forget that Skadden went first. I bet you they would have given very different bonuses if they had waited a week. Even if they can afford what they're giving now, why would they not want to give market rate if they knew better and had not committed already?

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:52 PM

Can we call Dewey "Crystal Skadden"? You know, like Crystal Pepsi? Wouldn't that be cool? Or maybe "Skadsel" after Skadden and the Edsel. Nah. We should probably save Skadsel for Sullivan & Cromwell. We also have to get around to Skanotpayingashighabonusbecasethemarketsucksden.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:53 PM

Agree with #9. It is time for everyone to admit that Skadden just did better this year and is in a stronger position for these difficult times than its peers. Skadden is not market - it is better than market.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:55 PM

TYPO ALERT! "...market rate? Half=Skadden opened..."

MysTTTal.

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:56 PM

When is S&C's partner meeting?

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:56 PM

my firm is paying full bonus plus special, but only if you billed > 2800 hrs (incl pro bono). Otherwise, you get zero. Wait for the announcement -- our prestige will skyrocket!

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:57 PM

"Only tools comment on these posts."

So doesn't that make . . . oh, forget it. Too easy.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:59 PM

Skadden is the market leader.... The rest of you tools need to stop whining on behalf of your crappy partners that are hoarding their dollars...

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:05 PM

Did anyone expect such a TTT to actually match Skadden?

--K&E Associate.

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:06 PM

30: If what you say is true, then Skadden has NEVER met market, because they've always been behind Wachtell.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:06 PM

It's a terrible move to give Dewey PR credit for matching market when they're imposing a 2000 hours minimum to get a bonus. The typical associate at all these firms this year is not billing 2000 hours, so Dewey is paying way less in bonus comp than other firms. Treating them as matching gives other firms an incentive to impose a cutoff.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:08 PM

I would be careful about gloating, Skadden. Think of your brothers in DC who will be having a dismal Christmas.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:08 PM

Please immediately update with a photo and bio of Eliza Gray.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:08 PM

S&C will probably announce today; the partners just finished a lunch meeting.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:09 PM

stop pretending you weren't at walmart last friday, you fat ass.

who knew harvard had affirmative action for fat people?

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:10 PM

i work at a hours minimum bonus and was wondering if anyone know if 2000 hours minimum to get a bonus was announced at beginning of year or if this is a retroactive requirement they just added?

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:10 PM

it's also not a match because dewey will pay the bonus months after the other firms that have already announced.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:11 PM

13 - nailed it

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:12 PM

Look, Skadden didn't set the market any more than WLRK or K&E sets the market. They simply chose to pay more than the folks over at Cravath, etc.

Face it - Cravath set the market. Skadden (and most likely, WLRK and K&E) exceeded the market.

Now STFU.

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:12 PM

Why didn't they announce bonuses for the Bratislava office??

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:13 PM

Kudos to D&L for stepping up to support the junior associates, who have little to no control over their hours. They're the complete opposite from some firms that are laying them off due to low hours.

PPP numbers will be really interesting. We'll get to see if Skadden is really in a stronger position, and which of the other firms cut bonuses just to inflate PPP.

44 Posted by Elie Mystal | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:14 PM

The reason why I keep calling Skadden "market rate" is because all of these firms "promised" to pay people at the top of the market. STB even includes the promise in their recruiting materials (and for everybody else so far, the promise is implicit).

These firms that are paying Half-Skadden rates are either saying: A) Skadden values their associates more than we do, B) We no longer wish to pay our associates as if they were they best of the best., C) We are in much worse financial state than Skadden.

I don't know which answer these firms are trying to telegraph but it's pretty clear that words like "top" and "elite" no longer apply to these firms when it comes to associate compensation.

You get a better bonus as a first year at Skadden than you will as a 7th year at Half-Skadden. That is just a fact. If you want to say that the firms are still in the same "tier" that's fine. But if you try to give "prestige" back to your loan officer, you'll find that all they care about is money.
--Elie

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:14 PM

12 is dead on. This looks like the first firm to really screw associates by maintaining an hours minimum, then slashing the bonus in half once that minimum is met.

I know Dewey, White/Case, Sidley, Milbank all have hours minimums... anywhere else?

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:14 PM

9,
Not that I want to defend the horrible idiocy that is this blog's calling card, but they are paying half of what Skadden is. That's "Half-Skadden". And if you guys think that CSM and all the other firms paying the smaller bonus amount COULDN'T pay Skadden bonuses, you're kidding yourselves. They're simply choosing not to, for reasons which may or may not be prudent. Considering CSM's gambit is going according to plan, it's hard to argue with the prudence from the partners' perspectives.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:16 PM

Senior associates are completely fucked. going from a six figure bonus to $32,500? horrific.

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:17 PM

yes, Dewey had the 2000 hrs requirement last year too.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:17 PM

I nailed 13.

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Why is skadden market and not WLRK?

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Dear NY Associates:

I am so sorry for all of the difficulty and sadness my firm has caused you and your families. As usual, I allowed my greed, ego and small penis interfere with my judgment.
It is my sincere hope that law students around the country will not look negatively upon Cravath because I was too cheap to see past my own need to overcompensate.
And I know, Bob Joffe would never have needed to demonstrate his manhood in such a fashion. Then again, I am living off the good will and talent he fostered, so this is to be expected from a second rate intellect and manager such as myself.
So again, I apologize and sincerely hope that S&C comes through for the sake of other NY associates who deserve better than my pitiful excuse for leadership.

Sincerely
Evan Chesler

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Dear NY Associates:

I am so sorry for all of the difficulty and sadness my firm has caused you and your families. As usual, I allowed my greed, ego and small penis interfere with my judgment.
It is my sincere hope that law students around the country will not look negatively upon Cravath because I was too cheap to see past my own need to overcompensate.
And I know, Bob Joffe would never have needed to demonstrate his manhood in such a fashion. Then again, I am living off the good will and talent he fostered, so this is to be expected from a second rate intellect and manager such as myself.
So again, I apologize and sincerely hope that S&C comes through for the sake of other NY associates who deserve better than my pitiful excuse for leadership.

Sincerely
Evan Chesler

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Dear NY Associates:

I am so sorry for all of the difficulty and sadness my firm has caused you and your families. As usual, I allowed my greed, ego and small penis interfere with my judgment.
It is my sincere hope that law students around the country will not look negatively upon Cravath because I was too cheap to see past my own need to overcompensate.
And I know, Bob Joffe would never have needed to demonstrate his manhood in such a fashion. Then again, I am living off the good will and talent he fostered, so this is to be expected from a second rate intellect and manager such as myself.
So again, I apologize and sincerely hope that S&C comes through for the sake of other NY associates who deserve better than my pitiful excuse for leadership.

Sincerely
Evan Chesler

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Dear NY Associates:

I am so sorry for all of the difficulty and sadness my firm has caused you and your families. As usual, I allowed my greed, ego and small penis interfere with my judgment.
It is my sincere hope that law students around the country will not look negatively upon Cravath because I was too cheap to see past my own need to overcompensate.
And I know, Bob Joffe would never have needed to demonstrate his manhood in such a fashion. Then again, I am living off the good will and talent he fostered, so this is to be expected from a second rate intellect and manager such as myself.
So again, I apologize and sincerely hope that S&C comes through for the sake of other NY associates who deserve better than my pitiful excuse for leadership.

Sincerely
Evan Chesler

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:19 PM

elie - why do you bother responding to these morons? write whatever the hell you want. i find it hilarious that so many people have issues with the way the blog is run, but are sitting at their desks hitting refresh every five minutes to see the next post.

if you have a problem with what's written on ATL, shut up and start your own blog. everyone will stop reading ATL and read yours.

morons.

elie/ATL - thanks for the info

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:19 PM

Dear NY Associates:

I am so sorry for all of the difficulty and sadness my firm has caused you and your families. As usual, I allowed my greed, ego and small penis interfere with my judgment.
It is my sincere hope that law students around the country will not look negatively upon Cravath because I was too cheap to see past my own need to overcompensate.
And I know, Bob Joffe would never have needed to demonstrate his manhood in such a fashion. Then again, I am living off the good will and talent he fostered, so this is to be expected from a second rate intellect and manager such as myself.
So again, I apologize and sincerely hope that S&C comes through for the sake of other NY associates who deserve better than my pitiful excuse for leadership.

Sincerely
Evan Chesler

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:19 PM

Elie, they could also be saying (D) Skadden is paying above-market compensation this year. Defining Skadden as market and lambasting all other firms as failing to meet that standard distracts from failures to meet the real market amount (such as through imposition of a 2000 hour billable minimum).

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:19 PM

Elie, they could also be saying (D) Skadden is paying above-market compensation this year. Defining Skadden as market and lambasting all other firms as failing to meet that standard distracts from failures to meet the real market amount (such as through imposition of a 2000 hour billable minimum).

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:21 PM

Celui qui vend aujourd'hui LeBoeuf, demain aura un oeuf.

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:23 PM

elie, this skadden trolling is getting really old. you know they wouldn't be paying "market" if they had released their bonus memo after cravath. oh, whoops, i mean "half-skadden" hahaha...i second the comment from another post, about how you're like al bundy with his 4 touchdowns in one game, the way you hang onto this joke like it's the wittiest thing you've ever thought of (which it very well might be) and keep trotting it out for approval. also, i don't know if "now other firms are crashing through like there's a sale at WalMart" is supposed to refer to the incident last week that resulted in a DEATH BY TRAMPLING, but if so, poor taste. might is well say "now other firms are crashing through like half-digested bearclaws through elie's cavernous gullet"

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:24 PM

Elie, your reasoning is total bullshit, because if the highest bonus = "market rate" then Wachtell's 100% bonus would have always had been the "market rate." Why don't you refer to Skadden as "Quarter-Wachtell" for not following the "market rate"?
Why don't you refer to the bonuses of 2007 as "Half-Wachtell" since they did not match the 2007 "market rate" as set by Wachtell?

The firms, if they had promised anything, promised to pay the market rate, which is defined by what the majority of the peer firms (the "market") pay. The market is paying $17.5k for class of 2007. Skadden paying more does not turn its scale into the market rate, no more than Wachtell's bonus policy does.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:24 PM

Right on, 55.

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:25 PM

Elie (44) -

Thanks for clarifying.

How does this comport with Wachtell's compensation, which in recent memory has always been above the "market rate?" The market seems to be settling at the $17,500 scale this year, which would also put Skadden above the market rate.

It seems a little disingenuous to call last year's scale the "market rate" while ignoring Wachtell's higher comp if you're not going to ignore Skadden's higher comp this year.

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:25 PM

Enough already, Evan. Stop your groveling.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:25 PM

I screwed 49.

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:26 PM

Damn you CravaTTTh!

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:27 PM

34 NAILED IT WITH PANACHE.

SkaddenDC will be playing the part of Tiny Tim in this year's BigLaw production of A Christmas Carol; struck lame with SuperAids, hobbling towards the infirmary/bankruptcy court with one dismal profits report, two failing kidneys, and a bad case of The Gay.

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:28 PM

Elie, you are my hero. Keep up the good work.

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:29 PM

I nailed Evan Chesler in a room at the Chelsea Hotel, old school.

65

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:29 PM

WLRK is nothing like the other firms in the V20; Skadden is.

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:31 PM

Wow, so at least three people found the gaping logical hole in Elie's reasoning within minutes of his post. If "top of the market" = "market rate" then Wachtell, not Skadden, is the market rate.

This is the reason why Harvard Law should not continue to embarrass itself by admitting people who scored 155 on the LSAT.

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:31 PM


I propose that Dewey be named "Half-Orrick."

While Cravath halved Skadden's bonuses it did not impose an hourly minimum.

However, with Dewey's minimum hours, an Orrick associate will double Dewey's bonus.

Cravath = Half-Skadden
Dewey = Half-Orrick

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:31 PM

How does this effect Dewey's sweet sweet offices in the NYC?

Texas Big

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:35 PM

D&L let the associates know the 2000 hours mark way back in Aprilish. They're mostly pretty good with transparency about that stuff. and one area where they're pretty good about *not* being transparent is that the 2k hours is, in most years, a motivator rather than a hard cutoff. the CW is that people who've worked really hard to get their 1900 hours, and who have given up weekends and holidays, will still get their bonuses if they just do a little extra campaigning in their department. That may be different, this year, of course...

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:35 PM

59 misses howard

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:35 PM

WKRP in Cincinnati is hiring.

I am nailing 68's mom.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:36 PM

D&L let the associates know the 2000 hours mark way back in Aprilish. They're mostly pretty good with transparency about that stuff. and one area where they're pretty good about *not* being transparent is that the 2k hours is, in most years, a motivator rather than a hard cutoff. the CW is that people who've worked really hard to get their 1900 hours, and who have given up weekends and holidays, will still get their bonuses if they just do a little extra campaigning in their department. That may be different, this year, of course...

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:36 PM

59 misses howard

79 Posted by Elie Mystal | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:38 PM

61 -- doesn't everyone agree that Wachtell is the "best" firm out there? Are there associates out there who expected to get paid what people at Wachtell make, only to be sorely disappointed the first time they came across easily accessible information about compensation at top law firms?

If firms like Cravath and STB just want to cede the argument and stipulate that Skadden is "better than" they are -- just like firms have been genuflecting to Wachtell over the years -- that's all fine. But they shouldn't pretend that they pay top market compensation when clearly they don't or won't the minute times get tough.

Times are tough all around, but when I go to Peter Luger's I don't expect to be served a Whopper. If that ever happened, I'd take my business to Sparks.
--Elie

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:38 PM

59, you are hilarious!

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:38 PM

what's 1/2 of half-skadden, divided by half mutliplied by pie?

answer = market rate

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:39 PM

Awesome... half bonus if you hit 2,000 hours which about 20 percent of associates firmwide will probably hit. Also awesome is that some snot nosed 1st year who probably is still figuring out how to run a redline and how to attach documents to an e-mail before sending it and who billed 1100 for the year is making $17,500 while a fifth or sixth year who billed 1700 total hours is getting ZERO. Way to reward those who have made "significant contributions" to the firm. Great policy, hopefully all remaining firms follow this model.

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:39 PM

Where's LeBoeuf?

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:39 PM

1. Elie's first line is a true gem.
2. Skadden isn't a boutique; it's a huge firm with lots of domestic offices with tons of associates. They are market.
3. D&L's 2000 minimum in conjunction with the half bonus is downright pathetic. D&L apparently can't pay their partners and now won't be paying their associates either (no work, no bonuses).
4. I don't remember how you vote on Vault, but I will definitely vote Cravath low.

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:40 PM

I thought Wachtell merged with Locke Lord.

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:41 PM

MysTTTal, please proofread before you post.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:42 PM

Thread on xoxohth "BREAKING: S&C will MATCH SKADDEN BONUS!!!!"

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 PM

84 - Even if you classify WLRK as a "boutique", Kirkland owns Skadden and the rest of the "non-market" firms in bonus comp every year.

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 PM

Thread on xoxohth "BREAKING: S&C will MATCH SKADDEN BONUS!!!!"

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:45 PM

20 - I think a lot of people at Milbank are wondering what's going to happen. Not fair to assume 17 was fired. Just seems the firm is not doing so well regardless of some of the higher profile clients (e.g., Lehman OCC).

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:46 PM

I billed 12 hours in November. Can anyone on here top that (and by top, I mean have lower hours)??

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:47 PM

jwho cares about whether the "B" in "LeBouef" is capitalized or whatever the hell else elie writes?? what's wrong with you people? this is exactly why i hate all of my co-workers and this profession.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:48 PM

Elie - another major problem is that you assume Skadden is paying its associates more because it values its associates more than other firms. I think the far more likely reason Skadden is paying more is because they assumed this year's market rate was going to be the same as last year's minus the special bonus. My guess is that if Skadden was the fifth out of the gate, as opposed to the first, they would still be paying the same as every other firm. For all we know, the reason Skadden was the first out of the gate is because they wanted set the rate early to preclude special bonuses from being paid.

As for expectations, it is unreasonable to expect to continue to receive boom-time bonuses during a recession. Firms significantly scaled back bonuses during the last recession, just as they are scaling back bonuses during this recession. I don’t know why you would expect them to do otherwise.

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:49 PM

I think Elie's properly answered all you lovers of half-skadden. Can you all please shut up now? Why don't you start a lovers of half-skadden website and leave this one?

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:49 PM

who's howard?

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:52 PM

who cares about whether the "B" in "LeBouef" is capitalized or whatever the hell else elie writes?? what's wrong with you people? this is exactly why i hate all of my co-workers and this profession.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:54 PM

Why are people at Milbank tweaking out so much? How slow are things over there?

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:55 PM

I did not bill a single client hour in July.

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99 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:56 PM

Mieux vaut maintenant un œuf que dans le temps LeBœuf.

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100 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:57 PM

93,
You think Skadden was unaware of the risk that other firms would announce lower bonus levels? Did ANYONE think special bonuses were possible this year prior to the first announcement? While you may be right that Skadden might pay less if they didn't announce first, they wanted to announce first. They are paying bonuses they can afford. A lot of other firms with hours requirements COULD afford to pay Skadden bonuses, but they're using CSM and its followers as a reason not to (and who could blame them?).

Firms are paying less because things are obviously not going as well as they were last year and the outlook for 2009 isn't great, not because it would bankrupt them to match Skadden. If they thought they would pay long-tem in losing associates for cheaping out on bonuses this year, they wouldn't. But right now, all of the firms are falling in line because if they do so, there is no downside to paying the CSM bonus, other than that Skadden might come off looking a little better. What's important is that unless other firms start matching Skadden, they won't look worse.

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101 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:59 PM

81 -

.5 * S / .5 * π = π * Skadden = market?

Or maybe you meant

(.5 * S) / (.5 * π) = Skadden / π = roughly 0.3183 * Skadden = market?

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:00 PM

How is Milbank's bankruptcy holding up after losing their star partners?

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103 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:02 PM

hey elie, how about a post on the situation at milbank sometime soon? the comment chatter should be addressed one way or the other.

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104 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:03 PM

Breaking news:

Skadden realizing they overpaid just announced they are moving to Half-Skadden bonuses!

Memo to follow.

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105 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:08 PM

Milbank didn't lose their star bk partner. Luc was demoted from practice head years ago due to a lack of interpersonal skills. The return of Paul Aronzon more than makes up for the loss of Luc.

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106 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:09 PM

Luc interviewed me on my Milbank callback, and even though I liked alot of the other partners I met... that was all I needed to run to a peer firm.

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:11 PM

I just sucked myself off and gave myself a bonus. Learn to adapt people.

Bevan Chisler

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108 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:13 PM

#47 - "senior asociates are totally fucked" :

Unless they can make this much money (including last year's 100k+ bonus) somewhere else, they aren't fucked - so long as they don't lose their jobs. Look around: partners are making less than last year. This is true also for commercial and investment bankers, real estate brokers and agents, and probably just about all of YOUR clients - including those who are lucky if they still have a job. Just pray that you will not be among the estimated 200,000 to 250,000 in New York who will lose their jobs, and thank your God that you now have a job - unlike the 1,000" Biglaw associates who have been fired or had their firms dissolve this year..

So, why do senior associates have such a sense of entitlement? You still have jobs, your starting salary was higher than any other group in the nation, and you make more that 99.9% of wage earners.

Next year, when the Obama tax changes and state income tax increases come into play, you will be fucked - as will be all. Then you can complain, but only if you voted for McCain.

Be grateful for what you have, rather than envious of those who have more.

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109 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:14 PM

I don't see what the big deal is (even after putting aside my disbelief at people complaining about five figure bonuses). If Skadden ends up paying above CSM et al, it may get a boost in recruitment in coming years (and possibly increased associate loyalty and morale this year). If it doesn't get that boost, then the partners lose some cash, but still probably less then they have put on the line at a blackjack table. If a few other major firms match Skadden, then that group of firms (including Skadden) will still look better than CSM et al in terms of pay. The only way Skadden really loses here is if they are putting up cash they don't have, but I doubt that is the case.

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110 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:14 PM

Is it ok to give my secretary an envelope full of semen for her bonus?

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111 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:16 PM

#47 - "senior asociates are totally fucked" :

Unless they can make this much money (including last year's 100k+ bonus) somewhere else, they aren't fucked - so long as they don't lose their jobs. Look around: partners are making less than last year. This is true also for commercial and investment bankers, real estate brokers and agents, and probably just about all of YOUR clients - including those who are lucky if they still have a job. Just pray that you will not be among the estimated 200,000 to 250,000 in New York who will lose their jobs, and thank your God that you now have a job - unlike the 1,000" Biglaw associates who have been fired or had their firms dissolve this year..

So, why do senior associates have such a sense of entitlement? You still have jobs, your starting salary was higher than any other group in the nation, and you make more that 99.9% of wage earners.

Next year, when the Obama tax changes and state income tax increases come into play, you will be fucked - as will be all. Then you can complain, but only if you voted for McCain.

Be grateful for what you have, rather than envious of those who have more.

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112 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:17 PM

How's this for a nostalgic moment? This is a comment from a post November 1, 2007. This is the list of firms that had not yet matched the "full + special" at that point. So the blank spaces tell us that as of Nov 1, 2007, DPW, CSM, PW, Debevoise, and a few others were paying the equivalent of essentially (1.5)(Skadden) in this year's currency.

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:38 PM

Vault Based List of Shame -

(Wachtell ommitted because, come on, seriously, they got more than this in their mid-year bonus)

Vault Rank / Firm / 2005 RPL (if known)
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2
3 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP / $1,627,000
4 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom / $997,000
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7 Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton LLP / $913,000
8 Latham & Watkins LLP / $875,000
9 Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP / $954,000
10 Covington & Burling LLP / $774,000
11 Kirkland & Ellis LLP / $987,000
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14 Shearman & Sterling LLP / $992,000
15 Wilmer Cutler / 846,000
16 Williams & Connolly LLP /
17 Sidley Austin LLP / $774,000
18 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP / $1,011,000
19 O'Melveny & Myers LLP / $828,000
20 White & Case LLP / $600,000
21 Arnold & Porter LLP / $816,000
22 Jones Day / 602,000
23 Morrison & Foerster LLP / $735,000
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25 Clifford Chance LLP /
26 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft / $940,000
27 Hogan & Hartson LLP / $735,000
28 Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP / $750,000
29 Fried, Frank, / $891,000
30 Ropes & Gray LLP / 841,000
31 Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker / $766,000
32 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP / $859,000
33 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP / $779,000
34 Winston & Strawn LLP / $718,000
35 Dewey Ballantine LLP / $782,000
36 Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati / $752,000
37 Linklaters /
38 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe / 767,000
39 Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer LLP /
40 Proskauer Rose LLP / $745,000

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113 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:18 PM

100 - you are absolutely right. All I'm saying is that it is wrong for Ellie to assume that Skadden is so benevolent. Someone has to go first every year. Clearly Skadden wanted to go first this year. We can't know the reason why, but my guess is they went first to say they "set the market" this year. Their bonus levels are what many people were expecting, although it was probably silly to expect these levels.

Call me a pessimist, but I think Ellie is naïve for thinking Skadden is paying more because it values its associates more. My guess is that they went first wanting to say they “set the market,” and ended up getting screwed when they found out Skadden doesn’t set anything. Now they are probably kicking themselves for paying much higher bonuses than they needed to pay. None of this changes the fact that this is a good year to be a Skadden associate, but I don’t think law students can assume from this one possible fluke that Skadden will continue to pay above-market bonuses.

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114 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:20 PM

60 - Great Married with Children reference.

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115 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:21 PM

Elie, stop writing that Skadden is "market." Skadden is NOT market; Cravath set market and now all other firms are falling in line. Skadden is the outlier; same way WLRK has been the OUTLIER and not MARKET in recent years.

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:22 PM

S&C just announced bonuses: Skadden + plus special bonus!!

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:22 PM

S&C just announced bonuses: Skadden + plus special bonus!!

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:22 PM

S&C just announced bonuses: Skadden + plus special bonus!!

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119 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:22 PM

S&C just announced bonuses: Skadden + plus special bonus!!

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120 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:25 PM

lol this is making the rounds at UVA:
http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cas/942106801.html

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121 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:26 PM

Elie -don't take your business to Sparks! If not Luger's, then Wolfgang's is the place to be...

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122 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:26 PM

Why do african black people like to carry guns?