no JB?

or JD?

venable gets a thread and JD doesnt. MYStttAL

@ 3:

I'm tired of you Jones Day fucks. If you have news, send it to ATL.

I don't think you do. I think you're as full of shit as your IP partners are before the court.

So quit your bitching, bitches.

5, suck it.

love, JD

6, suck it. 5 is right.

Any news about the other Philly and NJ based firms?

I'm thinking of Duane Morris, Ballard Spahr, Blank Rome, Pepper Hamilton, McCarter & English...?

5 = kirkland troll who is pissed that many JD associates make more than him.

5 - I'm not your bitch, bitch.

9,

If 5 is that troll, he's got nothing to worry about if he's in DC. Again, inexplicably it's the red-headed stepchild of JD offices, no bonuses, no extra salary increases. Just the shaft.

JD sucks balls. At least Venable still has some prestige. JD is a toilet for other toilets.

Suck it.

V&E4y

I think I caught a bad case of venable from a loose Italian CWT NY 05 female associate. Anybody have some extra cream?

what's the source of this CWT NY 05 talk?

12-
V&E rocks.
-incoming summer

14: Some dude a while back kept talking about what his amazing CWT NY 05 girlfriend was telling him.

The poeple who bitch about JD are the lousy associates who do crappy work and want a big bonus for producing such work.

@16: thnx

-14

Best Firm To Work For: GDC

Wait,, is this a thread on JD? Cause for associates who dont suck it pays as much as Skadden and more than Kirkland.

Just thought that might interest some people. Guess not. Oh well.

Any more news out of DC?

1. Gibson 2. Skadden 129. Latham

I am going to be a summer at JD, and I as hoping to get a straight answer (sorry to thread jack). I wanted to work at JD, I actually liked everyone I met there. My impression from the attorneys I met, and some other people I talked to, is that the firm takes care of people that work hard and produce quality work. This sounded fine to me. I hear people complain about the fact that not everyone makes the same salary based on year or same bonus based on year, but that the partners you work for evaluate the actual work people do, and you essentially get paid for what you produce. Is this accurate, and if so, what is there to complain about? It seems like a solid business model where associates don't get paid for padding hours or producing garbage.

20: "Wait,, is this a thread on JD? Cause for associates who dont suck it pays as much as Skadden and more than Kirkland."

In my experience, the population you describe totals zero.

23- Thats about accurate.

We as associates don't know what happens to other people (i.e. whether some people are shortchanged unfairly) but I have been more than happy so far.

24 - Nope there are at least some if us,

I dont wonder though if the JD people posting on this recently are disproportionately the happy associates. No way to tell really. =/

Your tipster re Venable is an idiot.

Today at 3pm, "a brief all lawyer meeting" will be held, during which time the HMFIC will "discuss the firm's 2008 results and outlook for 2009. "

This meeting has very little to do with associates.

You may now resume your JD-bashing.

I'm a 2L still trying to decide between JD and another firm. Any advice?

I'm a 2L still trying to decide between JD and another firm. Any advice?

@28 If death is an option, then please kill yourself. If death is not an option, then please go work for the Cuyahoga County PD's office.

28 - if it is between JD and Latham go to JD

30-
what the hell is your problem? I just noticed that people on this thread were talking about Jonesday, and that's one of the firms from which I have an offer, so I wanted to see if anyone would chime in and give me some advice. and 31, it's not Latham - don't know who they are, but they weren't at our OCI (Cleveland State)

1:11, you should be grateful you have an offer coming from Cleveland STTTaTTTe. Where is this Cleveland place, anyway?

33-
plenty of Cleveland State alumni work at Jonesday

JD Ohio offices are dying a slow death. Virtually no local clients, so everyone just services other JD offices. The lawyer headcount in Ohio is lower now than it was 10 years ago. All the decent lawyers have been transferred to other offices.

33:
I got plenty of offers. I just haven't decided which firm because the firms wanted to "call me back" to their offices to meet everyone who I would be working with, and I wanted to postpone that until after the semester was over, so now my project during winter break is to go on these "callbacks" and meet everybody and decide which firm I want to work for

jones day cleveland does not pay bonues. it has not paid bonuses in a decade (I summered there and am still good friends with current and former associates there). good IP litigation practice there, though. (low overhead - clients love that.) very formal environment, though.

#30

Is Cuyahoga County PD's office looking?

JD Chicago and JD New York are fine, they actually paid bonuses, and this year, in lieu of a bonus, gave extra large base salary bumps equivalent to a bonus.

But at JD DC, they don't do bonuses, and didn't give the extra salary increases this year. No explanation, but it's understood than the partner in charge at JD DC doesn't believe in bonuses, and morale or recruiting problems as a result be damned. It's quite arbitrary and unfair, but that's the JD DC way.

JD Chicago is wonderful - some of the nicest people I met on my callbacks

@38 They're like 7/11, they may not always be doing business, but they're always open.

Jones Day New York and California offices gave huge base salary bumps in lieu of the market or above-market base plus bonuses that were recently paid to some of the associates on a case-by-case basis. These associates now make base what other big firms are paying as base plus bonus. I'd take that any day. JD is a great place, there's plenty of work to go around, and it is one of the few firms that is still able to grow and be successful, even in the current economy. To me it's a no brainer.

suck my balls

Wow, ATL reporting on a no-name firm that's even smaller than mine!

Now excuse me while I cut another lime wedge for my next Corona. Trying to get another 50 hours in this year for that extra $10k+, y'know.

Anything about Andersen Kill bonuses?

Is this firm pronounced "Ven-a-bull," or is it more like the French would say it "Venab"?

27 here.

I was wrong.

Happy Holidays!

46 - "Ven-a-bull"

47? news?

Venable = Latham

"So far, top firms haven't followed Latham's salary freeze lead."

This sentence is no longer true.

51 - um, names?

news?

Can't believe this even made it on ATL. Venable is a third tier firm who tries to paint itself as first rate by paying its 1st years 160 but then pays its 3rd and 4th years 170. Give me a break.

Venable announced a 2009 salary freeze today at the meeting.

54 - so nice of you to use your timemachine to post here all the way from 2006.

One would think fiscally conservative policies related to salaries in an environment where law firms are going under like investment banks would be viewed with a little less smugness. But, then again, you're probably a law student anyway.

Happy Holidays to everyone who still has a job.

23--

If the client doesn't wanna pay the bill, or wants a discount, or whatever, then they're gonna get it. But, the partner doesn't wanna look like they're bringing in low-end work, so it's the associate's fault (bad quality work or too much time spent). Amazin' how much that happens.