Despite Mumbai Tragedy, Outsourcing Continues
The terrorist attacks in Mumbai reminded everyone that we live in a dangerous world. But as India takes the steps necessary to improve its homeland security, we shouldn’t expect the tragedy to stem the tide of outsourcing American legal functions to Indian companies.
The National Law Journal reports that firms are increasingly proud of their outsourcing initiatives:
As outsourcing becomes more commonplace and corporate counsel and law firms are under increasing pressure to reduce costs for clients, law firms such as Baker & McKenzie; Greenberg Traurig; Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy; and Shapiro Sher Guinot & Sandler are actually touting at conferences the benefits of outsourcing.
Baker & McKenzie was the last best hope for Heller Ehrman, Greenberg Traurig is conducting stealth layoffs, and Millbank just announced Half-Skadden bonuses. But their outsourcing operations are thriving.
And the wave of firms outsourcing legal services to India is only going to get bigger:
Forrester Research projects that legal outsourcing to India will reach $4 billion by 2015. Some experts, however, find that number too low and others too high. Regardless, other numbers don’t lie — there are an estimated 800,000 lawyers in India and nowhere near that many jobs. Attorneys there charge, on average, $35 an hour, or no more than half of what an upper paralegal or lower-level associate bills, and up to three times less than an upper-level associate’s time.
After the jump, will global terrorism have a chilling effect?
The thing with global terrorism is that it can strike anywhere, at any time. Businesses aren’t running away from the Indian market because of the recent attacks. The NLJ explains:
And the recent terrorist attacks in Mumbai, where many of the “LPOs” — legal process outsourcers — are based, are adding one more concern to the list.“Terrorism can happen anywhere,” said Jeffrey Bailey, associate general counsel for Fresh Del Monte Produce Inc. in Coral Gables, Fla., which is considering outsourcing legal work to India. “But it is a concern. It would be one of those additional factors to take into consideration — not only whether our information is secure but whether there could be disruption to our service.”
Apparently no LPOs were affected by the attacks, although there were a number of close calls.
If anything, quality control is a greater concern than terrorism. But because there is so much money to be saved by having some work done in India, firms are finding new ways to add oversight to the Indian legal market:
Washington-based Howrey has similar concerns. That’s why the firm said last year it would open its own office in India to do trademark searches and registrations throughout the world. The firm hopes to open that office, staffed with Indian non-lawyers, in the first quarter of 2009.With $600 million a year in litigation, Howrey had been approached by “a ton” of LPOs, but decided it had to open its own office to maintain quality control. …
But outsourcing fears could be somewhat alleviated, as at least two companies are planning certification and training programs for LPOs to provide some quality assurance to U.S. firms and companies.
Every student thinking about going to law school needs to take a step back. Look at the global economy, look at the cost of attending law school. Use a calculator if you need to. It’s still a good deal for some people, but don’t get into this racket expecting milk and honey.
India Work Grows, With Glitches [National Law Journal]
Earlier: Baker & McKenzie’s Mumbai Scare
Prior ATL coverage of Outsourcing.




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Thank You Come Again!
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Will terrorism have a chilling effect?
"I'm counting on it!"
BLS Grad, Class of 09
I live in Indian-a and no work has been outsourced to me yet. Boohoo.
I dug deep into the crevas, and found cheese.
tasteless story, jesus
Creating Outsourcing Certificate Program = Printing Money
Nervous T10 1L, if you want to ensure long term financial success, but that guy to the punch.
Our paralegals bill out at $150 an hour. Are Baker paras really that cheap?
Explain to me again how a terrorist attack in India effects outsourcing jobs to indian workers? I could see how it would dissuade sending Americans over there, but ... ?
Terrorists will not have a chilling effect. If that was the case, firms would have left NY post-9/11. No place in the world is that safe or insulated from highly motivated wackos hell bent on destruction.
Also remember, the firms and clients are only loyal to the Benjamins/Cheddar.
Elie - astute observations at the end of the post, but you still suck it.
Remind me again why free trade is such a good idea when the Chinese and Arabs have all the money now? What were supposed to get out of it?
-- Disillusioned free trader
11- That explains buffets staying open after Elie shows up
I think we should incorporate India's caste system here in the good ole U.S. of A. GULCers, you have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time to Extreme Home Makeover a foreign attorney that's going to steal my job!
Millbank = Milbank? Is ATL interested in hiring a graduating 3L to be Elie's proofreader? My girlfriend needs a gig and she knows how to spell...
Time to Extreme Home Makeover a foreign attorney that's going to steal my job!
2nd 14's comment.
UVA2L
Can't wait for the first malpratice suit to claim that outsourcing violated state bar laws.
Biglaw must die.
I think it will have more of a chilling effect on firms' globalization efforts where they staff Western lawyers in Indian offices. I don't see as much of an impact on outsourced work. Like someone else said, the people who'd get the outsourced work ALREADY live there.
This isn't quite the Chinese tainted dog food and toothpaste YET. However, you could not pay me to work in an office there now. All of this money on a war on terror, and people didn't know who this group was. Can we stop wasting our money now?
13 - I suppose the buffet looks like it went through a terrorist attack once Elie is done with it.
-11
This article was not about the Mumbai tragedy's effect on whether firms would outsource western attorneys to Indian offices, as evidenced by the Del Monte's attorney fear not for the safety of western workers in a targeted country, but for the loss of information or disruption of service that could occur when outsourcing to volatile areas.
So before criticizing Elie's connection between Mumbai and curbing outsourcing, one might need to work on those "critical reading" skills.
NYC to 190k...Rupies!
check please.
We didn't care when they were starving to death. Why should we care if they are getting blown up?
22 is correct, though.
I like the idea of hiring Indians to do the repetitive shit work.
One love, one heart, lets get together and feel alright.
I'll take a slurpee and a chili dog with my letter of intent.
I'll take a slurpee and a chili dog with my letter of intent.
This is a stupid post Ellie. After 9/11 did anyone ask if NYC firms would still do business. It's just dumb as hell to think that 165 dead would stop business anywhere. You are a f-king idiot.
First, L & E shop Seyfarth Shaw loves to brag about their outsourcing arrangement with an Indian firm (according to my buddies there). However, Seyfarth will have the Indian attorneys write the first draft of summary judgement motions!
Second, Elie's point about reevaluating becoming an attorney - spot on. I'm T-14, at a T-15 firm, been practicing several years. With (supposedly) high associate salaries, clients pushing back on bills, and a shitty economy for the foreseeable future, Big Law equity partners will take the opportunity to fundamentally restructure the law firm business model.
Big Law will be run like a business, with all the seeking of "efficiencies" that entails. If you aren't a partner wih a significant book of business, you will be walking on eggshells for the balance of your career.
our firm looked into expanding to bombay but there was too much tension because of the british recently leaving.
i personally wouldn't trust these macacas with my legal work...don't let hr here me calling them that or i'll have to attend another "sensitivity training."
-old partner dood
llb '52
"Attorneys there charge, on average, $35 an hour, or no more than half of what an upper paralegal or lower-level associate bills, and up to three times less than an upper-level associate's time."
Where are upper-level associates billing around three times $35/hour ($105/hour)? Did Elie write this NYLJ article? I kid, I kid.
Soon, the Indians will start outsourcing their outsourcing to the Chinese who charge $0.50/hour.
32, wait till the Chinese start outsourcing their outsourcing back to us!
The scary thing is that if the Indian economy keeps on improving, they will lose outsourcing jobs to other countries who are cheaper and speak inferior English.
34 - Has already happened, a lot actually. In a Race to the Bottom, there are no end-points, just moving finish lines.
Why outsource to India when there are US attorneys begging for work? Wouldn't Loyola2L work for $35 an hour? Are the Indian attorneys qualitatively better than median TTT grads?
34: It certainly has already happened. Computer programming is already in China, because they're far cheaper.
Most of the "free trade" lobby probably really believed in their heart of hearts that they'd get rich, too. Too bad they come up short like most everyone else.
Why isn't this unauthorized practice of law??? Seriously, the ABA needs to get involved and start protecting our six-figure debt/law degrees.
38
ABA =/= AMA (sadly)
this unauthorized practice is a scandal
It isn't just the cheaper labor abroad; it's also the higher quality. Talk to any small business owner who outsources their tech, and they will tell you that foreign labor has a level of humility and professionalism you will not find in the US unless you pay a significant premium.
38, it's only unauthorized practice of law if they are not supervised and signed off by an admitted attorney.
Remember during your 2L summer or after graduation when you did legal research and/or document review even though you were not admitted to that state's bar? Yeah.
$35/hour? I'm a federal government attorney and that's more than I've ever made per hour....I'll take it.
41, your point is valid. However, is the type of work usually outsourced (doc review) even "practising law"? I don't think so and certain US states seem to have the same position.
LPO trolls abound
I used to work at Greenberg (TTT, by the way)-but I don't recall any outsourcing going on. Did I miss something?
For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why there were so many Jews in India. Thanks for solving my mystery ATTTL!
I am the owner of a small law firm in the US and I have an office in India that does my legal research and drafting of pleadings and it works out great for us. We have offices in 4 states and more than 10 attorneys. We are able to do 2.5 time more work than the average attorney in the US because of our operations in India.
If you are not a litigator, plan on being outsourced. It only take 1 lawyer to review 3 well qualified paralegals. Which is in essence what the lawyers in India end up being.
Oh by the way, we are now offering these services to other attorneys in NY and other states and they love it.
I am the owner of a small law firm in the US and I have an office in India that does my legal research and drafting of pleadings and it works out great for us. We have offices in 4 states and more than 10 attorneys. We are able to do 2.5 times more work than the average attorney in the US because of our operations in India.
If you are not a litigator, plan on being outsourced. It only takes 1 lawyer to review 3 well qualified paralegals. Which is in essence what the lawyers in India end up being.
Oh by the way, we are now offering these services to other attorneys in NY and other states and they love it.
WHY THE HELL AM I PAYING BAR DUES AND HAVING TO TAKE CLE WHEN THOSE ABA BASTARDS HAVE OK'ED MY WORK GOING BYE-BYE?
WHY THE HELL AM I PAYING BAR DUES AND HAVING TO TAKE CLE WHEN THOSE ABA BASTARDS HAVE OK'ED MY WORK GOING BYE-BYE?
WHY THE HELL AM I PAYING BAR DUES AND HAVING TO TAKE CLE WHEN THOSE ABA BASTARDS HAVE OK'ED MY WORK GOING BYE-BYE?