First bitches yeah!

first again

First bitches yeah!

First bitches yeah!

She almost had me until "my lifetime number is still under 20"

The only way her life could get worse is if she plans on summering at Latham this summer.

See, now THIS would be the appropriate place for the spreading...juices comment. But you've already used up all your bullets, much like Bernanke!

Girls at my high school used to miss important court dates due to self-inflicted box-cutter wounds all the time. It was no big deal.

BITCH SPREAD THE BUTT CHEEKS SO I CAN SMELL THE JUICY INSIDES!!

REMINDER - THE PROF. WHO DID THIS TO HER WAS AN ISRAELI JEW.

link to her picture?

Is he being prosecuted as well?

This is not funny,give the girl a break.

@7

LOLOLOL

384 should seek an advisory opinion from the c&f committee of the state bar where she wishes to practice. At least NY lets students file requests if they've been convicted of misdemeanors. Given how expensive law school is, it'd be silly to pay for three more semesters of it with no hope of admittance.

See, e.g., http://law.fordham.edu/rd/documents/admissions/CharacterandFitnessBrochure.pdf .

11 - Oh for the love of . . .

I'm not so sure whatever board of bar examiners she applies to is going to look to favorably on this one given the prolific nature of this incident, but I wish her the best of luck.

If a prostitute is allowed to get her law license, well that's total bullshit.

Wow, 16 with a useful insightful comment.

There's no place for that here, you realize?

Seriously, life certainly can suck. Hope yours gets better, 2L Girl.

11 = racist

Lot of respect for taking responsibility for your actions. Good luck.

I think that you are very brave for taking this to the police in spite of the harm that it did to your career. I hope that the bar understands that your actions were motivated by a desire to save the lives of others. I applaud your bravery to do the right thing at such a high price.

CLS 2L

17, I don't think "prolific" means what you think it means, unless you're saying that she's going to have lots of kids or memoirs due to this incident.

You stole a seat at U of M from a Michigan resident who deserved it and wasn't a psycho who is not going to be admitted to the bar. You took a seat from a real lawyer. Your not only retarded, you're a selfish theif and you should just drop out now.

Most of it was quite sound. There were a few parts that really made me far less sympathetic--"under 20," housing crisis, comparing the crime to open container, calling Michigan "prestigious." But otherwise, heartfelt and definitely sympathetic.

Rise up, 384! And maybe try a civil suit if the AAPD doesn't take him down.

18 = retarded

It is a sad commentary on ATL when many of the posters post crude and unsympathetic comments. But then again, many of you are entitled trolls who take malicious pleasure at the miseries that your jobless brethren have in this economy.

That said, I feel sympathetic toward the law student. She's lucky that she came out of that encounter alive. I hope that she finds surcease from this surfeit of publicity and some measure of financial and mental health in this holiday season.

Is this dumb bitch joking?

Listen you fucking whore - and that's what you are - a filthy fucking whore. You're lucky we don't live in a society where you would be stoned to death. And you have the nerve to ask for your law license, or forgiveness?

Puhleeze.

You knew exactly what you were doing - whore. And you got what you deserved. If I ever see your disgusting whore ass in a courtroom I'll spit in yoru face.

Yet another post by Elie without a food reference. What's going on? Did he reconnect his Crisco IV?

I love how the big story is about her . . .and not about the deviant prof that is assualting hookers. really, in the grand scheme of things, which is a bigger story / more serious offense?

Hmm, I guess she's only counting the times she was in love in her lifetime number?

Or maybe she forgot the words "monthly average"?

Or maybe she just thinks people are stupid.

i bet she can still get a job at AlsTTTon Bird. they hire people from the sex industry all the time.

CWT announces market bonuses (half-skadden for all you boring lawyers whose witty sense of humor has been reduced to lame cliches) ... at least they have bonuses, must be doing better than people give them credit for.

Giving a prostitute a law license would speak VOLUMES about the state of bar admittance today.

This comment thread should be closed before it gets even more disgusting.

2L Girl ~ Keep your head up. I'm pretty sure most of the comments on ATL are made by 13 year old boys. In fact, I hope you aren't even reading these comments, this one included, because it isn't worth it. Your life experience and understanding of the world is more than all theirs put together.

Thanks for sending out your letter and reminding all of us that 'it depends.' Good luck. If I were in your class at UM I have a feeling I'd be proud to call you a friend.

~ Random 1L

And to all you sickos who think this is all just SO HILARIOUS, f-off.

Apologizing and asking for true forgiveness, so that the profession will decide not to shun you, is usually more effective if you don't do it anonymously through an intermediary.

Good luck with your recovery. I hope you find happiness professionally and personally.

This comment thread should be closed before it gets even more disgusting.

28 = rejected by Michigan 2L

"Or maybe she just thinks people are stupid."

Clearly. Whores, thieves and other low lives think everyone is stupid.

I was unsympathetic in the first thread (actions have consequences), but seriously everyone right now needs to leave the poor girl alone. She's going through a very public and very humiliating time, and it sounds like she's handling this as well as possible.

Good luck Michigan 2L.

there's a blonde first year at alston bird in atlanta that i'm pretty sure i've seen in a porno before...

There's a lawyer practicing in arizona who served a lengthy prison stint for manslaughter after he killed someone in a drug deal gone awry.

So, a "sex industry" worker as a lawyer? No doubt it won't get scoffed at by (certain) state bars. And she makes a valid point mentioning all the other lawyers with misdemeanors.

I find the email to be obnoxious, though. But, like she pointed out at the beginning, I don't know what kind of bullshit she's feeling. If her story is true, then she better get her mind fixed quickly before her listserv diary strategy ruins her law career.

28, take your meds.

U of M dean of Admissions = worthless.

The people of Michigan demand your resignation and 75% seats reserved for Michigan residents.

She did not speak to HPV or gonorrhea. FYI.

28 YOU are a douche!

24: You're means "you are." Your is a possessive pronoun. If only you knew the difference, maybe you're [sic] seat wouldn't have been stolen from you.

28: Try to learn what a sentence fragment is before posting.

Right on, 36.

And to 24 and 28: You are complete losers.

37 -- Look at the terrible comments people are making here alone. You really think that it would be a good choice to not be anonymous at this point?

She's already been assaulted by one freak -- why bring on more?

27 - you had me until you dropped the "surcease" and "surfeit". you should surrender the point.

Wow, she took the comments on ATL seriously and let them bother her. She obviously hasn't read the ATL comments before - Thanks for making my point 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11....

This is a really sad story all around. I hope everything works out for this 2L. She has some real issues to work through, but i wish her the best.

44 = Wrong - that applicant was denied admission by the AZ S.Ct.

Get your facts straight law student.

Hey toolbag 1#1....your prob some douchbaggy self hating t51L...get a life...like it makes any diff who

I actually really like this letter and wish her all the best. We all make mistakes and good luck whatever you do.

28,

You spit on anyone in my court, you'll be jailed for contempt so fast your head will spin.

And I will refer you to the state bar.

LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even performed for you BASTARDS!

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!…..Please.

I think I'm falling in love with Douche Patrol.

49 - FU and you're grammar lezzons.

Hypocrisy abounds - I bet MANY male lawyers have been to sex workers and do not think they should be prosecuted or disbarred for it. Some even ended up as Slate bloggers.

cry me a river with your fake suicide attempts.

Nothing wrong with being a whore, but don't try to explain it away afterwards like you just got busted with an open container.

I have no sympathy for this girl. If she was a cutter and depressed before this fine, I feel badly, that said, when your client is standing in a court room by herself because you went to the E.R. for cutting yourself the client probably is not going to feel too bad. Furthermore, I'm sure murderers frequently grew up in pretty rough conditions yet we're not lining up to let them pass the bar. Also, how could she not pay her rent but she managed to get 20K together for her mental health after all this went down? The sicko (was it a prof or something?) who assaulted her should also be prosecuted. She clearly hasn't taken criminal procedure if she thought the police were going to give her a big hug when she went to them. There is a reason sex workers don't go. I wish this girl the best of luck in her future but I hope it isn't as a lawyer.

Sorry for the rambling commentary but I'm in a rush.

Good luck michigan 2L. Our thoughts are with you.

While I'm unsympathetic to a point, there is a level of malice in many of these comments that is far beyond what is appropriate for her circumstance.

She chose to commit a relatively minor crime, got far more than she bargained for, and has suffered/will suffer a great deal. But it's not like she went out and commited an act involving evil, which would warrant the delight in her suffering. So, enough.

I really feel sorry for her and her situation sucks, but she does not have the mental psycology to practice law based on this comment:

"Most of you probably don't know what it's like to push a boxcutter into your own wrist
and neck. Or what it's like to walk home from the psych ward, and set to the task of
cleaning a room covered in your own blood."

If she was willing to sell herself to pay rent and additional expenses, what is she going to do when times are tough in the real world? What's going to keep her from cracking with all the pressure lawyers are expected to endure when they represent their clients?

What would make this INTERESTING is if she was a Palestinian.

Palestinian woman getting beaten almost to death by an ISRAELI JEW professor.

What is wrong with those savage animals in Israel?

She's a dirty whore but the real scumbags here are the Ann Arbor police department. They insulted the victim publicly -- great way to do business and encourage others to come forward.

Luke 7:36-50

"A Pharisee invited him to dine with him, and he entered the Pharisee's house and reclined at table.

Now there was a sinful woman in the city who learned that he was at table in the house of the Pharisee. Bringing an alabaster flask of ointment,
she stood behind him at his feet weeping and began to bathe his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them, and anointed them with the ointment.

When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, that she is a sinner."

Jesus said to him in reply, "Simon, I have something to say to you." "Tell me, teacher," he said.

"Two people were in debt to a certain creditor; one owed five hundred days' wages and the other owed fifty. Since they were unable to repay the debt, he forgave it for both. Which of them will love him more?"

Simon said in reply, "The one, I suppose, whose larger debt was forgiven." He said to him, "You have judged rightly."

Then he turned to the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? When I entered your house, you did not give me water for my feet, but she has bathed them with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
You did not give me a kiss, but she has not ceased kissing my feet since the time I entered. You did not anoint my head with oil, but she anointed my feet with ointment. So I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven; hence, she has shown great love. But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little."

He said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."

The others at table said to themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"

But he said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

not everyone was raised by wealthy parents in the best schools and the best friends. but i'll tell you this, everyone is a mess to a degree. it's sad that there are people so ignorant and childish on ATL that fail to have some sympathy for a person going through a lot. i hope she gets the help that she needs at this time. and really hope the michigan kids help her pay for her legal expenses. professors included.

Elie, can we get 28 removed please. That is disgusting.

24/45: I'm UM undergrad and law, and the out-of-state kids are the only reason the whole place doesn't become a shithole like state. You weren't admitted because you're dumb, and the out-of-state kids who were admitted were siginificantly smarter than you, since they got on despite a disadvantage in admissions. Michigan is already 60% in-state, and that's about 40% too many. You, 24/45, are doomed to a life of unemployment in the frozen fucking tundra, crying that UAW can't rob the rest of the country to feed your worthless ass forever.

I have no sympathy for this girl. If she was a cutter and depressed before this fine, I feel badly, that said, when your client is standing in a court room by herself because you went to the E.R. for cutting yourself the client probably is not going to feel too bad. Furthermore, I'm sure murderers frequently grew up in pretty rough conditions yet we're not lining up to let them pass the bar. Also, how could she not pay her rent but she managed to get 20K together for her mental health after all this went down? The sicko (was it a prof or something?) who assaulted her should also be prosecuted. She clearly hasn't taken criminal procedure if she thought the police were going to give her a big hug when she went to them. There is a reason sex workers don't go. I wish this girl the best of luck in her future but I hope it isn't as a lawyer.

Sorry for the rambling commentary but I'm in a rush.

24/45: I'm UM undergrad and law, and the out-of-state kids are the only reason the whole place doesn't become a shithole like state. You weren't admitted because you're dumb, and the out-of-state kids who were admitted were siginificantly smarter than you, since they got on despite a disadvantage in admissions. Michigan is already 60% in-state, and that's about 40% too many. You, 24/45, are doomed to a life of unemployment in the frozen fucking tundra, crying that UAW can't rob the rest of the country to feed your worthless ass forever.

I have no sympathy for this girl. If she was a cutter and depressed before this fine, I feel badly, that said, when your client is standing in a court room by herself because you went to the E.R. for cutting yourself the client probably is not going to feel too bad. Furthermore, I'm sure murderers frequently grew up in pretty rough conditions yet we're not lining up to let them pass the bar. Also, how could she not pay her rent but she managed to get 20K together for her mental health after all this went down? The sicko (was it a prof or something?) who assaulted her should also be prosecuted. She clearly hasn't taken criminal procedure if she thought the police were going to give her a big hug when she went to them. There is a reason sex workers don't go. I wish this girl the best of luck in her future but I hope it isn't as a lawyer.

Sorry for the rambling commentary but I'm in a rush

68

You are grasping at facts that are not evident.

You should ask for a refund from your law school because clearly you're unsuited to be a lawyer due to terminal stupidity.

If you're already an associate in a law firm, please fire yourself and clean out and box everything in your desk and walk out because.. well... you don't deserve to work there. Just too stupid, you know.

cutters are pathetic. we dont need people like that practicing law. whoring aside.

67: Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, there's so much pressure. It's horrible. Grow a sack you bitch!

Granted the facts may be in dispute, but she comes across better than the Michigan sandwich stealers.

55

44 here. You're right! I am a law student. Thanks for clearing that up. I just heard that from someone yesterday and I knew if I posted it here I would get to the truth. You have a link?

55

44 here. You're right! I am a law student. Thanks for clearing that up. I just heard that from someone yesterday and I knew if I posted it here I would get to the truth. You have a link?

This is a good example of why the US needs to adjust its prostitution laws. Prostitutes are generally people who have already been through so much and have so many psych. issues that the last things they need is jail time and a record. I agree with Canada's law - prostitution is illegal, but the buyer is punished, not the seller. I can't believe this dangerous man is not being prosecuted. To the woman I say, keep your chin up. I personally think you should still be allowed in the bar.

Dear Michigan 2L,

Don't whore yourself out. Use the $20,000 (at least) that you're spending on therapy bills toward your tuition and rent.

~Captain Obvious

Why are we discussing whether she'll be admitted to the bar in a vaccuum, as if she's not going to do all sorts of other stupid things between now and then?

Why is it "brave" to go to the police when it could be more easily described as stupid? We have information that she tends to be stupid, and we have no information that she tends to be brave. Stop regurgitating what you see on Dr. Phil.

I can't believe people are piling on to this poor girl. While she demonstrated awful decision-making skills, no one deserves to be beaten and raped. For some of the commenters here to suggest she be stoned to death or that she somehow is a bad person for not knowing what would happen to her 2 years after accepting an offer to go to law school is completely heartless. But maybe that's why the law profession is the way it is today: because people have lost their humanity and have forgotten what it is like to be compassionate. I hope I never have to meet any of you who take this opportunity to call names and make fun of an unfortunate situation.

Take this post down. It has no real value and is not news. It is just sad.

box cutter? what is she a wannabe terrorist?

68 - Racial comments are so passe. Didn't you get the memo?

Updated letter 10 years from now...

I worked my way through undergrad on my own, doing crazy hours on top of a full course-load. In fact, I've worked every kind of menial, low-paid job since I was 15; I've
never thought I was above any kind of work, or better than anyone else I worked with,
because we were all there together. But last semester I'd been so depressed that I could
barely even get myself to class, let alone keep up with my finances. In April I realized
I couldn't pay the rent for May, and my parents weren't an option. Nor was anyone else,
because there weren't really very many people in my life at that time. The housing crisis
made it so that I couldn't get an additional loan without a co-signer. I should have
found some other way, but at the time none of my thoughts were very healthy. Then I got out of law school and couldn't get a good job until one hiring partner liked the look of me.... and I had to pay my bills, and the economy is so tough...so I did what I had to do. And then the case I was working on was going downhill quickly. I was afraid I'd lose the case and my job with it, but the Judge had and idea, I know it was wrong but I was very depressed and everyone knows about the layoffs going on out there. Then I saw all my friends making partner and I was going to get left behind, so I did what I had to do. There are a lot of other lawyers in my firm that do bad things as well (I've even heard of lawyers that have killed people), so lets not blow this out of proportion....

Worst part about posts like this? Tons of new commenters from U-M will attempt to post and end up reposting 10 times each.

Obviously the girl has physcological problems and needs help. People should understand that and try to get her to seek such help instead of ridiculing her.

ATL readers need to act like lawyers and not adolescents. If not, then I think this comment thread should be closed for it is bringing out the worst in our human nature.

I agree with 35. An open forum is great when people can handle it or it doesn't matter, but this is truly repulsive. I'm fairly certain that any of the above posters, if they thought about it for 30 seconds, would concur.

While I do feel badly for her situation, and I do admire her courage and honesty, what I hope she realizes is that she's not the only one whose parents didn't support her (financially/emotionally/etc.) She's not the only one who had to work since they were teenagers, work through college, take public transportation, sleep on friends' couches, fear becoming homeless, etc. Yet many of these individuals who've had similar unfortunate experiences did NOT resort to prostitution or other illegal activities. What she did was illegal--plain and simple--and there are consequences for breaking the law.

At the same time, I agree with those who think that the spotlight should not be on her but on that scumbag of a professor who should be punished for what he did.

I think that you are an awesome person and hope things get better for you. Good luck out there.

Cops can be real assholes. This story should be about a professor hiring and abusing STUDENTS at his own university than about a 2L.

Keep your head up 2L girl. Don't worry about the sickening comments here, most of these trolls do it to get a reaction from other trolls (a sick one-up game they play).

68 has a point. There are a lot of Arabs in Michigan.

I wouldn't be surprised if the professor, who is an Israeli Jew, beat her for that reason.

These comments will be awful. I'm anti-moderation, but I actually think comments here should be shut down.

If they're not, everyone remember that she's obviously extremely fragile right now. She's also clearly going to read everything and take it personally. What satisfaction do you get from kicking someone when they are down?

Michigan 2L, I'm sorry this happened to you. You sound like a good person. Hang in there and good luck working this out.

She did the right thing. Everyone should just lay off.

She looked beyond her own self-interest in going to the police. In fact, she should be praised for saving others from the experience she was forced to endure.

The law isn't black and white. Never was and never will be. That's why lawyers exist

hey - can we all go back to bitching about Latham and leave this poor girl alone

85 -- who is Dr. Phil?

Is he like Dr. Nick?

Has the Michigan prof been outted at any point?

I love how the misogyny comes to mainstage whenever a prostitute is under scrutiny...

A lot of virginal law students sublimating their repressed guilt about wanting to do what Eliav did, through a misdirected hate for women that they didn't get to have. Most of them will probably hire a sex worker one day and are just frustrated dweebs. Hope you get to feel righteous by labeling her a SLUT.

I'm sure UM 2L is sorry that this story made your cock hard and that you had to retreat to the restroom to relieve yourself. Leaving just as empty and frustrated as when you arrived...

These comments will be awful. I'm anti-moderation, but I actually think comments here should be shut down.

If they're not, everyone remember that she's obviously extremely fragile right now. She's also clearly going to read everything and take it personally. What satisfaction do you get from kicking someone when they are down?

Michigan 2L, I'm sorry this happened to you. You sound like a good person. Hang in there and good luck working this out.

Brave things can usually be characterized as stupid: bravery and stupidity are both descriptive of acts that involve tolerating more risk than the speaker things is reasonable.

And we have information that she tends to be smart--she's at MLS.

70 = EPIC FAIL!!

take your jesus-loving ass somewhere else. unlike you, we have fully functioning brains! now get back to your job as president of the david duke fan club. douchebag

The replies to this post are horrifying. I'm a lawyer (and probably far more successful that most of the people here), but if this is a representative sample of my colleague's capacity for sympathy, I understand why people hate lawyers.

You are truly horrible people.

ATL - you should shut down this post. It's racist and misogynistic.

If anyone doubted that the cesspool of autoadmit commenters has migrated to ATL, doubt no longer.

68 has a point. There are a lot of Arabs in Michigan.

I wouldn't be surprised if the professor, who is an Israeli Jew, beat her for that reason.

I love how the misogyny comes to mainstage whenever a prostitute is under scrutiny...

A lot of virginal law students sublimating their repressed guilt about wanting to do what Eliav did, through a misdirected hate for women that they didn't get to have. Most of them will probably hire a sex worker one day. Hope you get to feel righteous by labeling her a SLUT.

I'm sure UM 2L is sorry that this story made your cock hard and that you had to retreat to the restroom to relieve yourself. Leaving just as empty and sexually frustrated as when you arrived...

Elie,

I've never been one to criticize you, but leaving this thread open as a public forum to treat this girl as most of the commenters have been doing is unethical. Sex workers can be victims of assault and rape as much as any other person, so move on. Furthermore, why aren't we hearing about the professor, the actual transgressor in this case? Is he still allow to teach? Is there a sadistic rapist loose on the U of M law campus?? There's your story.

To the 2L -- I hope you haven't taken to heart anything said by anyone in these comments. Its much easier to say these things when you're an annonymous little troll shouting from under your bridge. I hope you get the help that you need and get through this okay.

Good luck Michigan 2L. You don't deserve the ridicule of anyone for being concerned about women who have been victimized or will be victimized by that sadistic, sick man.

28 has mommy issues.

After reading the comments on ATL, I find myself seriously wondering whether the majority read ATL solely to feel better about themselves by denigrating the existence of others. Insulting less prestigious law schools, law firms, and people who happen to have an opinion that differs from theirs.

Some of the comments regarding this woman's heartfelt letter make me realize why people despise the legal profession. She speaks candidly about her issues and accepts responsibility for both her actions and the repercussions. I applaud her openness and hope that everything works out well for her as she tries to conquer the issues she faces both personal issues and professional issues.

I think many of you need to look in the mirror and question whether your happiness comes through the misfortune of others and proving yourself superior.

Those in glass houses should not cast stones.

Good luck Michigan 2L. You don't deserve the ridicule of anyone for being concerned about women who have been victimized or will be victimized by that sadistic, sick man.

wow 28 - what did your mother do to you? why do you hate her so much? don't take it out on poor Michigan 2L.

michigan 2L, ignore all the idiotic, ignorant, mysogynist comments from over-privileged self-hating frat boy law students. stay strong - you'll make it through this.

Elie, your post gave her the chance to respond that you think she deserved. Give her at least the same consideration you give to a sub-par recruiting advertiser like Lateral Link: No Comments.

That is a thoughtful, and classy letter. I wish the woman in question good luck in a difficult time.

After reading the comments on ATL, I find myself seriously wondering whether the majority read ATL solely to feel better about themselves by denigrating the existence of others. Insulting less prestigious law schools, law firms, and people who happen to have an opinion that differs from theirs.

Some of the comments regarding this woman's heartfelt letter make me realize why people despise the legal profession. She speaks candidly about her issues and accepts responsibility for both her actions and the repercussions. I applaud her openness and hope that everything works out well for her as she tries to conquer the issues she faces both personal issues and professional issues.

I think many of you need to look in the mirror and question whether your happiness comes through the misfortune of others and proving yourself superior.

Those in glass houses should not cast stones.

73 - You're wasting my tax dollars...get out of my public university and into private law school where you belong.

I've never commented before, but feel compelled to aplaud your acceptance of responsibility for what you have done and your willingness to make such a sacrifice to do justice. I'm not sure if your story is mostly fact--I don't want to judge the other participant based on your statements alone--but if it is true, you have done a great service to society. Stop reading these juvenile and derogatory comments now and get back to putting the pieces together. And good luck.

A self-professed "severely depressed, suicidal, isolated person" in law school. At a "prestigious" school no less.

As if our profession isn't ridiculed enough.

Thanks for nothing, Michigan 2L.

Elie, your post gave her the chance to respond that you think she deserved. Give her at least the same consideration you give to a sub-par recruiting advertiser like Lateral Link: No Comments.

Elie, your post gave her the chance to respond that you think she deserved. Give her at least the same consideration you give to a sub-par recruiting advertiser like Lateral Link: No Comments.

97/Antisemite who has been posting on every single goddamn blog that mentions this story: I'm surprised you haven't linked to your antisemitic site yet. She's not an Arab, she's not a Jew, you're an asshole, Jews are generally fairly gentle (though their military knows how to deal with terrorists).

I can't believe how horrible some of the commenters are being. I wonder how you all will feel once you get that DUI. Glass houses. Assholes.

http://www.cupcakebrown.com/main.php?NAV=about&PIC=about

Elie,

I've never been one to criticize you, but leaving this thread open as a public forum to treat this girl as most of the commenters have been doing is unethical. Sex workers can be victims of assault and rape as much as any other person, so move on. Furthermore, why aren't we hearing about the professor, the actual transgressor in this case? Is he still allow to teach? Is there a sadistic rapist loose on the U of M law campus?? There's your story.

To the 2L -- I hope you haven't taken to heart anything said by anyone in these comments. Its much easier to say these things when you're an annonymous little troll shouting from under your bridge. I hope you get the help that you need and get through this okay.

120 -- I am not. I am subsidizing your sorry ass. MLS turns a profit every year because of the absurd tuition, then turns the profits over to the university.

I don't think I would have picked ATL as the forum to air my side of the story, but that being said, if true, this is an extremely difficult situation and I wish her the best of luck

125,

I didn't say SHE was a Jew. I said HE was an israeli jew, and he is.

I then asked if she might be Arab (lots of Arabs in Michigan) and if that's why he beat her.

125, is she Asian? Just making an educated guess about depressed girls with low self-esteem.

That is a thoughtful, and classy letter. I wish the woman in question good luck in a difficult time.

You did not deserve to be raped. Please seek treatment for the rape AND for the depression that led you to make the decision to engage in sex work in the first place.

You have a difficult road ahead with your recovery, and with the Bar. Your offense is still fresh. Unfortunately, the excuse that you were depressed is not all that helpful with the Bar. The reason is that the Bar asks about mental health treatment. Sure, the law will drive you to therapy, but at first, it wants to make sure you don't come in with any mental baggage of your own. The Bar cares about this, because depressed or other mentally disabled people make bad decisions - which could lead to harming clients' cases, taking their money, letting work sit idle, etc. The fact that out of depression and desperation you turned to sex work would make the Bar fear for the decisions you might make in the future when you were stressed to the limit. Better that you get into a really good therapy (and possible medication) regime now, so that when it is time to explain this to the Bar, you will be able to say that you have the underlying cause of your misjudgments under control.

I wish you the best. Life is worth living, and hopefully your assailant will get his one day.

80 - No...I believe the applicant's name was Hamm. There were a couple of Tucson Citizen articles about it.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but for all those people who claim they would be shocked if a sex worker got a law license: Hiring a prostitute is not a crime of moral turpitude (at least in NY) and will not make you lose your license. So why should being a prostitute keep you from getting a law license?

On the one hand, 1) Her email to the law school is corny but 2) The guys who would post - anonymously -cruel comments on this blog are cowardly apes, and...I wish the bar committees had a way to weed you all out as well.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - bro, ho - it makes no difference. I'm sick of all of you...

2L girl - ignore these comments. there are a lot of people, law students, and lawyers out there who support you. Also many who empathize with you. the police actions here make me sick. the double standards here make me sick. you did the right thing reporting the crime against you. the police response was wrong. i'm very sorry this happened to you. the atl comments are not representative of the thinking person's response to this situation, so please don't let them get to you.

also, don't let anyone else tell you about bar admission. it's complicated, and there are a lot of factors. it is not an insurmountable obstacle,if law is what you want to do, i dont think this will be a barrier.

70 - that's the first time i've seen some actual christianity in a long time. refreshing.

My sympathies to you, 2L. Whether or not your choice in a side job was the wisest, props to you for coming forward to protect others he might abuse. Best wishes to you in your recovery and in dealing with all the coward aholes who are delighting in your misfortune. You deserve better.

On the one hand, 1) Her email to the law school is corny but 2) The guys who would post - anonymously -cruel comments on this blog are cowardly apes, and...I wish the bar committees had a way to weed you all out as well.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - bro, ho - it makes no difference. I'm sick of all of you...

Seriously, just turn off the comments on this one. The comments are always pretty ruthless, but this is just terrible.
I'd reiterate some of the comments though that wish her well with her recovery and putting her life back together. I don't know if she'll still get to be a lawyer, but I've met people who have done much worse stuff than this that have turned their lives around. So now either she will or she won't, and some board of law examiners will decide if she gets to be a lawyer or not.

I especially loved this part:

"I used to be a proud atheist, but now I know that God saved my life the night I tried to take it. I also know that God kept the man in that hotel room from killing me, because he was completely out-of-control."

OK, you think that God saved you from getting killed, but the fact that you (allegedly) didn't contract an STD is due to chance.

Please. Wake the fuck up, sister. It was all chance--except for the part where you placed yourself in this situation by prostituting yourself.

Assuming this e-mail isn't a hoax, I think this girl is too naive and stupid to be an attorney.

134 -- That's wrong. The (NY) bar doesn't ask about prior care, it only asks about ongoing problems that the applicant believes might compromise the applicant's ability to practice effectively.

129 - You are and every other MI resident. Go back to your Southern state and go to law school there.

Would many of you feel better if she committed suicide?

I applaud and second the comments made by 128.

I question whether many of you have even a shred of decency.

I shouldn't be able to comment right now. Close this off. Leave the poor girl alone. Who are we to judge someone else when they are desperate? How does he "crime" hurt or affect any of us? The answer - it doesn't. You're bringing this site down to the level of the tabloids.

Michigan 2L,

I hope you get better. As you know, there will be brighter days. I'm glad you're seeking help. Don't worry about those who question whether you have the psychological fortitude to succeed in law. Most people educated in the subject recognize that there are disportionately high rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide and depression amongst lawyers. These issues do not disqualify someone from being a competent attorney ... so long as they get dealt with. I am glad you are on the path to dealing with them.

People throw out the terms "whore" and "slut" because they are misogynists and like to use social norms to control female conduct. It makes them feel powerful. They are douches. There are a lot of these people, but don't worry about them ... they tend not to be worth associating with anyway.

I am not sure what will happen with the charges laid against the professor. The initial report I read indicated there was was a degree of consent. Coupled with the illegality of the act and the admitted psychological issues, the "he-said/she-said" evidence may not get you to the standard of proof required to charge this man. That being said, it's not the most important issue. Ultimately, you getting better, from issues that existed long before you ever met this man, is the most important thing. I hope you agree that your primary focus should be on the self-improvement aspect.

Best of luck.

Elie, for the love of God please turn off the comments for this post. This is completely unnecesary.

2L girl - ignore these comments. there are a lot of people, law students, and lawyers out there who support you. Also many who empathize with you. the police actions here make me sick. the double standards here make me sick. you did the right thing reporting the crime against you. the police response was wrong. i'm very sorry this happened to you. the atl comments are not representative of the thinking person's response to this situation, so please don't let them get to you.

also, don't let anyone else tell you about bar admission. it's complicated, and there are a lot of factors. it is not an insurmountable obstacle,if law is what you want to do, i dont think this will be a barrier.

70 - that's the first time i've seen some actual christianity in a long time. refreshing.

122 -- You're right, mental health issues are not to affect lawyers, and lawyers are not to acknowledge their mental health issues. Clients are certainly better served by just-functional-enough neurotics who don't get therapy than by just-functional-enough neurotics who do.

Wait, that's fucking stupid.

"You did not deserve to be raped. Please seek treatment for the rape AND for the depression that led you to make the decision to engage in sex work in the first place."

Is the claim now that she was raped? I thought she reported the professor to the PD for slapping her on the face.

2 things:

1) if nothing else this woman seems emotionally fragile, its not necessary to pile on.

2) I don't think I'd take either her story (or the professor's side for that matter) at face value; yet some people are ready to assume everything.

when a hooker later regrets being a hooker = rape?

give me a break.

I love the ass-backwards ethics all of the moaners have. All up in arms if someone we know is an idiot gets ridiculed, but silent in every other thread, where people with no "record" are called trash merely for going to a particular school or working at a particular firm.

It's disgusting that people come on here and find entertainment in bashing her. Being charged with a crime and having to face the bar admissions is punishment enough. If I were her I would seek treatment and then work towards a career in public interest where she can help other people like herself.

Wow Elie, thanks for turning this site into XOXO. Really. Thanks a lot.

Elie, close the fucking thread. The target of this vitriol is a fragile, suicidal woman. I'm leaving the site.

Michigan 2L - I applaud your bravery. I wish I had the courage to so publicly address the countless mistakes I've made in life.

It's retroactive rape 152

144 -- "You are and every other MI resident."

What the fuck does that incoherent gibberish mean? If you can't string a sentence together, you don't belong at MLS. Or do you think that all MI residents are as dumb as you?

"Clients are certainly better served by just-functional-enough neurotics who don't get therapy . . . . "

Yes, they're called female partners.

Elie,
Please shut this comment thread down. This is disgusting.
Michigan 2L - good luck.

Wow Elie, thanks for turning this site into XOXO. Really. Thanks a lot.

Wow Elie, thanks for turning this site into XOXO. Really. Thanks a lot.

The NYSE has a policy to halt trading during a runaway self-off...Elie, you should have a similar policy for runaway douchebaggery by stopping comments

This thread is quickly becoming a penny stock and it needs a bailout, badly

159 -- Why do you think they don't get therapy?

152 and 153 = geniuses. Hit the nail on the head.

155 - i disagree. You can't post an article about the girl and not let her respond, when clearly she wants to.

Anyway, this is a very sad case. Perhaps Ellie/Lat should have turned the comments off for this post?

She did the right thing. Everyone should just lay off.

She looked beyond her own self-interest in going to the police. In fact, she should be praised for saving others from the experience she was forced to endure.

The law isn't black and white. Never was and never will be. That's why lawyers exist

ATL should immediately remove some of the comments from this board. Free speech used to injure others doesn't deserve an outlet here (and isn't necessarily protected).

And the legal profession wonders why everyone likes the line "first, kill all the lawyers".

Not making excuses for the lady's behavior and choices, but jesus christ, get over yourselves (and you know who you are). Everyone who is dumping on this gal either because they really feel justified or just for the sport of it clearly need to examine themselves and ask "is this really what I am?"

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Michigan 2L, this is to you, if you really read this, and not to these animals who scorn you and will, I am sure, scorn this post.

Amazing to me that Christians get trashed in public as nasty as judgmental, but when 70 here offers what Jesus actually thought about women who were trapped into prostitution, 70 is met with sneers of derision. Meanwhile, the products of a supposedly "enlightened" legal education pile on with crass insults. Michigan 2L, what you did wasn't right, but the people trashing you here are far more guilty, and far more repulsive human beings, than you will ever be.

The response from the police makes me both sad and angry. Michigan 2L, you just did the most right and most courageous thing in your life by coming forward, and then this happens. I am sorry.

Please, keep on trying, inside the classroom and out. Do not give in to your critics or your circumstances. There is a good chance the bar association will admit you; far worse people have been admitted, that's for sure.

And if this experience has convinced you that God exists, I suggest you keep on that journey. He does exist, and He specializes in redeeming and loving people from situations like yours.

AS FAR AS HER RACE - TWO LIKELY CHOICES:

1. RUSSIAN.

2. CHINESE
"Hey,
baby, me so horny. Me so horny."
Joker looks her over. She looks pretty good.
"Me so horny. Me love you too much. Hey,
what you say? Number one pussy. Me love you too
much."
"How much!" Joker asks.
"Fifteen dolla."
"For both of us?"
"No, each you fifteen dolla."

153: "I love the ass-backwards ethics all of the moaners have. All up in arms if someone we know is an idiot gets ridiculed, but silent in every other thread, where people with no "record" are called trash merely for going to a particular school or working at a particular firm."

Yeah, I love these people who have no problem calling everything "TTT", but get all upset when people have uncomplimentary opinions about someone who made a series of bad decisions.

Fucking hypocrites, the lot of you.

Sincerely,

--Someone who isn't an XOXO/AutoAdmit loser

I echo those who ask that these comments be shut down. I can't remember the last time I was more disgusted and appalled. I know for a fact that the editors of this site have removed comments making fun of the appearance of people featured in LEWW -- how does that same courtesy not extend to comments 100 times more vile and ignorant?

To Michigan 2L -- I hope you aren't reading these comments, but if you are, please hang in there.

Everyone does bad sh&t. It's just so annoying that she felt compelled to write a letter chock full of excuses. Just deal with it; no one cares about your checkered past or your emotional state of mind. Get the Prof locked up and then move on with your life.

"Free speech used to injure others doesn't deserve an outlet here (and isn't necessarily protected)." Ha ha ha... go back to work, secretary.

Look, there's no way to justify piling it on this girl. But why should ATL make an exception for the comment policy in this one case? We have no problems perpetuating unfounded rumors about AGs having gay sex, ripping on Mark Dreier and his bad judgment and nefarious dealings, issuing death threats against T10 1L (between that, this, RichRod, and the Big 3, not a great year for Michigan), expressing rape fantasies about SEN (and more death threats), bashing all those TTT-ers out there, etc., but somehow allowing comments about an emotionally fragile woman is different? Are you saying that women are weak and need special protections? I doubt it. No reason to start making comment policy exceptions

The "Bonus Babe" of Philadelphia story bothers me a lot more. She'a a 2L at Widener. Surprised ATL never covered that one.

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11/68/97/131 is a racist.

Let me get this straight: there are a lot of Arabs in Michigan, and the alleged assailant is Jewish, so maybe she's an Arab, and maybe he did it to her because of that?

Seriously, on this thin basis, you're trying to shoehorn your racist comments into a thread about a woman's sexual assault and subsequent suicide attempt?

Shame on you.

11/68/97/131 is a racist.

Let me get this straight: there are a lot of Arabs in Michigan, and the alleged assailant is Jewish, so maybe she's an Arab, and maybe he did it to her because of that?

Seriously, on this thin basis, you're trying to shoehorn your racist comments into a thread about a woman's sexual assault and subsequent suicide attempt?

Shame on you.

With a show of hands, how many of us as lawyers haven't sold ourselves for money at one point or another in our careers? What, not one of you is raising your hands? Say it ain't so. Guess what, we're all prostitutes.

11/68/97/131 is a racist.

Let me get this straight: there are a lot of Arabs in Michigan, and the alleged assailant is Jewish, so maybe she's an Arab, and maybe he did it to her because of that?

Seriously, on this thin basis, you're trying to shoehorn your racist comments into a thread about a woman's sexual assault and subsequent suicide attempt?

Shame on you.

11/68/97/131 is a racist.

Let me get this straight: there are a lot of Arabs in Michigan, and the alleged assailant is Jewish, so maybe she's an Arab, and maybe he did it to her because of that?

Seriously, on this thin basis, you're trying to shoehorn your racist comments into a thread about a woman's sexual assault and subsequent suicide attempt?

Shame on you.

This is a damn good argument for de-criminalizing prostitution.

2L - drop out and give your space to a transfer student who will pass the bar.

People shouldn’t be so rough on her. I can certainly relate to some of her life experiences, especially cleaning a room covered in my own blood. I’ve dealt with a hostile work environment, battled a heroin addiction and sometimes I don’t know who my friends really are. I understand her concern with passing Character & Fitness because my lifetime number is much higher than 20, in just 6 days of work, I’ve put roughly 185 people to bed, and that’s not including my recent charity work. She’ll make it through this if she remembers that asking for forgiveness is always easier than asking for permission.

28 - are you lawyer? Then you're a whore too so STFU.

Not sure why people feel always like they need to take sides. He did something he should be fired for and rot in jail. She did something responsible (by reporting the crime) and something that shows she is not fit to practice law (nice summary by 90).

I'm on your side in this one, Michigan 2L.

I know housing is expensive - as is law school, but isn't that why we're all $150,000 in debt?

And what the hell does this mean:
But last semester I'd been so depressed that I could
barely even get myself to class, let alone keep up with my finances.

??

If I were staying in bed all day, I feel like I'd end up with more money at the end of the month, not less, since I wouldn't be spending it on anything. It really sucks that you got beat up and are depressed, but a lot of people struggle with depression and financial problems without turning to prostitution.

Why is everyone just accepting her story? I'm not saying it's false, but as lawyers shouldn't we possibly at least consider that the Prof is innocent until proven guilty?

I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to use prostitution to pay their bills but it doesn't sound like this girl has the mental stability to be a lawyer, at least not now. Yes, there are plenty of crazy, unstable lawyers out there, but shouldn't we be trying to limit that number?

This girl chose to come out and give her side. No reason we shouldn't react to it.

I concur with 22 and others: you are brave for taking this to the police. I wish you all the best.

-HLS 3L

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225 - no one other than yourself gives a shit that you go to HLS. You are a soul-less fuck

Some of you lot make Roll on Friday seem positively charitable.

*waves from across the pond*

224 -- The prof doesn't contest any of it.

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Jesus Christ. Stop. Posting. Don't apologize. Just fucking stop posting.

Elie, you should be ashamed of yourself for not deleting this thread - some of the above comments are truly disgusting.

The despicable comments here make me ashamed I am a part of this profession.

Take this thread down Elie. Show some humanity. You are knowingly making this a public forum to ridicule someone who has fallen through society's cracks.

I have been an avid reading of ATL for approximately two years. In may ways I think ATL provides a true service to law students and young lawyers. ATL effectively reports on legal industry news and rightly calls out law firms and lawyers for behaving badly.

That said, I believe ATL has taken a significant downward spiral over the past few months. The level of animosity in the comments is truly abhorrent. The racially insensitive comments alone demonstrate a true lack of tolerance within the legal profession. I understand that ATL is a "legal tabloid," but even a tabloid should have standards.

There are several topics that I've seen reported recently that had serious factual errors in the initial post. These errors were reported as fact, not mere allegations, and Mr. Mystal then made biased comments based on the factual misrepresentations. These biased comments, in my opinion, helped to fuel totally inappropriate and insensitive comments following the posts.

It may not be fair, but as a black woman I expect more from a black editor. I expect that all people would be offended at the atrocious things said in the comments after many posts dealing with racial/women's issues - but I most definitely expect that an editor of color - a Harvard educated lawyer - a person who I assume is intelligent and tolerant - would demonstrate better discretion and judgment before posting items that one can easily assume will result in disgusting commentary.

Specifically, I write today in response to the posting of the Michigan 2L's letter explaining the the prostitution ring scandal to her classmates. Where was the commentary or post SLAMMING the AAPD for not prosecuting the professor? Why is she a scapegoat? She is obviously mentally ill, and to exploit her situation is disgusting and frankly immoral. Let me take an unfortunate quote from Hillary Clinton and say "SHAME ON YOU."

I understand from a post a few weeks ago that ATLs website traffic is better than ever. In part, I assume, because people like myself have become little ATL addicts who check the website several times a day. Its part of my - I'm bored let me check the following blogs/nytimes.com before continuing with my next project - routine. That said, if this lack of ethical behavior on the part of ATL continues, I will personally boycott the site and I will encourage my friends to do the same. We have already joking tossed the idea around, but it may be necessary. The information I want to know is almost always posted on the WSJ law blog and I can read it without being subjected to offensive comments and incorrect commentary by the blog's editor.

There are lines of appropriate comment and conduct. ATL has gone from being a site known for excellent reporting, to one that trashes and exploits the most vulnerable of our profession. Law students are just that - students. Still growing, learning, and becoming better people. It is unfortunate that ATL sees fit to memorialize mishaps (and in some instances grave lapses of judgment) in such a permanent and insensitive manner. The ability and privilege to report news should not be lost to the power one has to truly wreak havoc in the lives of individuals.

As an attorney, I believe I am a member of a noble profession. There is no honor and nobility in what I have recently read on ATL.

Comments should never have been turned on for this thread. I can't believe some of the comments that have been allowed to remain up. Seriously, Elie, what the hell are you doing?

Because I'm sure you're here and reading and feeling the humiliation all over again, I will add my voice to the chorus of people who support you, Michigan 2L, and wish you strength in pulling yourself back together after this horrible situation. Please take care of yourself.

"The prof doesn't contest any of it."

He didn't contest "that God kept the man in that hotel room from killing me?

If not he should be charged with attempted murder.

Look, NONE of us "outsiders" know the facts since we weren't there. The people attacking the woman are out of line, and the people sanctimoniously offering love and advice, though possibly well-meaning, should probably clam up as well and let the woman get therapy.

If you're reading these comments, Michigan 2L, I'd advise you to stop. I don't know who some of these posters are, but their complete insensitivity is exactly what you don't need right now.

The truth is that those of us who have never been in a desperate situation, do not know the choices we'd make if confronted with similar difficulties. I hate to say it, but there are times when morality is something of a luxury.

I know that I would not have been able to go to law school if not for the support of my family, and I truly commend anyone who finds a way to do it on their own. I am not condoning anyone's actions here, but am simply trying to make the point that while it is easy and comforting to judge others, it should not be taken for granted that we are so different from them. None of us really knows what we would do in a similarly desperate situation.

We should all tread carefully in looking down on the actions of others--one day we too could find ourselves in need of understanding after having made choices we desperately regret.

WAAAAAAAAAH HOW CULD U SAY THAT ABOT SOMEONE ON INTERNETS WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Cry me a river.

And I even feel sorry for the girl. But if you cannot handle internet discourse and the form it takes... keep using faxes and carrier pigeons.

kthnx.

Elie you need to edit these comments.

384 -- hope you take the serious comments seriously and realize that the rude, offensive, unnecessary and just plain stupid comments come from soul-less idiots.

good luck with everything.

#241 -- As an attorney, I believe I am a member of a noble profession. There is no honor and nobility in what I have recently read on ATL.

I believe there are those who would disagree. Specifically, those who claim "first"

The young woman was brutally assaulted. I makes no difference that she was a prostitute at the time. She needs a good lawyer. As one of my favorite professors used to say.....Suuue 'em!!!

241 "I most definitely expect that an editor of color - a Harvard educated lawyer - a person who I assume is intelligent and tolerant"

You're new to this blog, aren't you?

213, prostitution is providing sex for money. Providing legal services is not providing sex. Therefore, being a lawyer is not being a prostitute. I don't want to know what you do in your law office.

WAAAAAAAAAH HOW CULD U SAY THAT ABOT SOMEONE ON INTERNETS WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Cry me a river.

And I even feel sorry for the girl. But if you cannot handle internet discourse and the form it takes... keep using faxes and carrier pigeons.

kthnx.

don't bump. oh wait....crap. but seriously, end this comments section.

241, the professor did get prosecuted. From the mlive.com article:
"Yaron Eliav, 44, an associate professor in the Department of Near Eastern Studies, awaits sentencing Dec. 30 after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor charge of using a computer to commit a crime. The 22-year-old student also pleaded no contest to the same charge."

But don't let facts get in the way of your self-righteous indignation whining why blog is not "SLAMMING the AAPD for not prosecuting the professor."

She may have been engaged in prostitution, but she is still a woman, and although some of the commenters on this thread don't seem to realize it, a woman is a human being with inherent dignity. It is just another example of the pervasive sexism in our society that crimes against prostitutes are not prosecuted. And the fact that some of you are laughing about such horrific crimes happening to anyone, let alone an aspiring member of the bar is beyond the pale. No one deserves to be raped or beaten.

I hope that a professor or alumni at U of M will step up and offer to provide a defense attorney services to Michigan 2L for free, and that the community will rally to make sure that the violent and criminal professor in their midst is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It would be a service to women everywhere.

ATTN ATL VIRGINS:

There's nothing really that wrong with prostitution.

htfh.

ATTN ATL VIRGINS:

There's nothing really that wrong with prostitution.

htfh.

ATTN ATL VIRGINS:

There's nothing really that wrong with prostitution.

htfh.

Michigan male faculty are a reprehensible lot. Many are married to former students. Michigan Law School is also the only top law school with a smaller ratio of women to men and frequently has panels on the topic of why top female prospective law students do not choose Michigan.

UM 2L - stop reading these comments. Most of the people on here don't have a clue. Continue to spend money on your mental health, only others who have experienced it can understand that you literally cannot pull yourself out of that hole without therapy and meds. And best of luck going forward.

Wow, 116, you sound about as open minded as 28. What does an individual's membership in a fraternity have to do with misogyny?

The lady makes an interesting: you get a DUI or do drugs, you're good to go, but if you have sex for money, you are screwed. I mean, it's a bit different because she would be equated to a dealer, rather than a user, and we have decided the former is worse. However, I don't think it's going out on a limb that the story would not be much different had she been paying for sex--a user.

That's long winded for saying it's not really fair.

The lady makes an interesting: you get a DUI or do drugs, you're good to go, but if you have sex for money, you are screwed. I mean, it's a bit different because she would be equated to a dealer, rather than a user, and we have decided the former is worse. However, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that the story would not be much different had she been paying for sex--a user.

That's long winded for saying it's not really fair.

I'm glad to see we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse hoax re rushing to any sort of judgment.

The misogynistic tone of these comments is disturbing. But then again, this is a blog that repeatedly posts pictures of women in stockings bending over whenever it talks about secretaries. So what do we expect?

Thanks for giving us the other side of the story. We all make mistakes, even really big mistakes. Good luck to you. You will get passed this.

Mental illness is real and it disproportionately affects lawyers. This is a woman that needs help, not the juvenile comments of scumbags that troll this blog. To the folks out there posting "concerns" about her ability to represent her clients in the future while she suffers from depression, please keep in mind that depression can be treated and can often times be brought completely under control. Your lack of compassion assuredly makes you a terrible lawyer - thank goodness that you are not a doctor.

That woman is going through a living hell right now. I hope that she emerges from this knowing that there are resources out there to help her when she is feeling depressed. There is no doubt in my mind that she has made a very serious mistake here, but there is also no doubt in my mind that she can get better, heal her wounds and go on to live a happy and successful life. Good luck to you, Michigan 2L.

shes not an arab or chinese

she is a nigger

Wow -- Jack Bauer better win that stupid commenter of the year award.

If you haven't voted him in, go do it now!

Welcome to 4chan /ATL/.

Please enjoy your stay.

Dear XOXO,
I am an ATL virgin, and I've been wondering: Is there anything really that wrong with prostitution? Please fucking help.

2L girl, might I make a suggestion. Maybe you should consider abandoning your law career and starting fresh in a new field. This is a sincere suggestion. I don't intend any meanness, it's just that the legal community is small and this will definitely follow you around. It sounds like you could use a new beginning.

The lady makes an interesting: you get a DUI or do drugs, you're good to go, but if you have sex for money, you are screwed. I mean, it's a bit different because she would be equated to a dealer, rather than a user, and we have decided the former is worse. However, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that the story would not be much different had she been paying for sex--a user.

That's long winded for saying it's not really fair.

BITCH SPREAD THE BUTT CHEEKS SO I CAN SMELL THE JUICY INSIDES!

2L, thanks for responding. It's really interesting when you can hear the other side of the story. I don't think any of us can claim that we would have definitely done things differently if we were in your position (many would possibly have done a lot worse) and I hope things get better and brighter for you. There are lot of people who will put you down just to make themselves feel better about themselves. As some others here recommended, ignore them and remind yourself that you did the best you could under the circumstances and you're owning up to your mistakes. Good luck.

270: I don't think that is necessary. This like all other "scandals" shall pass. People's memory will fade with time. Even 6 weeks from now, it will seem less important and by the time summer roles around, the memories of people will be short lived. My only suggestion to the Michigan 2L is to wait and let time pass. Pretty soon, this will be an irrelevant blurb in her life. Everyone will soon forget about it.

http://www.mlive.com/news/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/news-30/122909652054010.xml&coll=2

266 - so she's African American? Link?

275 comments! Law students are surprisingly bored for finals week.

it sucks that she made a bad decision after suffering a trauma that most people will never understand. however, she has shown much more strength than most of the posters on this site who are so insecure that they have to anonymously trash vulnerable strangers. (i have a strong suspicion that the most misogynistic comments come from guys who get completely ignored by women and can barely look them in the eye.) i would MUCH rather work with/be friends with this girl than any of you pathetic losers.

xoxo,

popular, pretty 2L with NY Biglaw job who wouldn't look twice at you

28- Upset because daddy ruined family by frequenting professional sex providers?

2L, thanks for responding. It's really interesting when you can hear the other side of the story. I don't think any of us can claim that we would have definitely done things differently if we were in your position (many would possibly have done a lot worse) and I hope things get better and brighter for you. There are lot of people who will put you down just to make themselves feel better about themselves. As some others here recommended, ignore them and remind yourself that you did the best you could under the circumstances and you're owning up to your mistakes. Good luck.

If the prof pleaded no contest to using a computer to commit a crime, it doesn't mean he isn't contesting the assault (or if she's claiming rape, the rape charge). He could be pleading no contest to using the computer for solicitation.

This woman has admitted she has some severe mental issues. I'm not willing to just believe her accusations without question either.

Questioning whether she will be a good lawyer, or whether she should be a lawyer at all, is not misogynistic. It's realistic and in line with the professional ethics and responsibility of lawyers. She can heal and become mentally stable, sure, but she still committed a crime.

It's one thing to employ social justice to find she shouldn't go to jail or be punished criminally, but that doesn't mean she should be able to practice the law.

Good luck, Michigan 2L. It sounds like you have been through some awful times. I hope you are getting support and that you can be strong.

I hear the Duke Lacrosse team is looking to employ an entertainer.

If an Arab professor beat someone on Long Island, I think someone might ask if the person beaten was a member of the tribe. I'm just sayin.

Here Lies Above The Law
July 24, 2006- December 17, 2008

"Among the stars, you shone brightest, which foretold your implosion."

BITCH SPREAD THE BUTT CHEEKS SO I CAN SMELL THE JUICY INSIDES!

To the Michigan 2L - If you are reading these comments, PLEASE ignore the jerks and insults. I am sure that the vast majority of people sympathize with you. Do not let these terribly mean comments get you down - ignore them.

I will be slammed for this, but perhaps consider finding a nice church and give it try. I was down and out once, and I did worse than what you are getting slammed for. The peace and self-worth I've found in the saving grace and love of the Lord has made all the difference. I didn't think myself worthy of much of anything before that. This is not a soap box, just a thought. Now, let them call me TTT or a religion pusher. Best of luck to you.

I feel bad for her depression, but her hardship argument is complete bullshit. No one paid for my law school tuition or rent either. I graduated from undergrad, worked for a few years, than applied to some great law schools that had evening divisions so I could keep working and earning a professional wage. Now I am an attorney with a V5 in New York -- and I actually like my job.

The route wasnt easy, but at least it was honorable.

I dont know where it is written that if you cant afford law school by the age of 22, you are somehow a hardship case. To quote Gordon Gecko, "This is your wake up call. Go to work."

281,

Piling on an obviously fragile human being when she's going through an incredibly dark time is a dick move. The C&F committee will debate this issue when the time comes. It doesn't need to be publicly debated here and now by anonymous commenters.

270: I don't think that is necessary. This like all other "scandals" shall pass. People's memory will fade with time. Even 6 weeks from now, it will seem less important and by the time summer roles around, the memories of people will be short lived. My only suggestion to the Michigan 2L is to wait and let time pass. Pretty soon, this will be an irrelevant blurb in her life. Everyone will soon forget about it.

Hebrew University is TTT.

Michigan 2L,

I'm a female attorney a couple years out of HLS, and I sympathize with what you're saying. A younger sibling of mine has gone through many of the same psych issues you described, has been a victim of a similar crime (and has considered, though AFAIK has never actually done, escort work) ... so I empathize, I really do.

It's really damn easy for these anonymous idiots to post idiotic crap on a messageboard. As has been pointed out, many of them are hormonal, frustrated guys who (claim to be) working long hours and likely can't/don't get laid. Please don't take anything they say to heart. Their opinions count for absolutely jackshit. They are not the state bar admissions committee; they are not hiring partners -- and most of them never will be.

You made a mistake. You've acknowledged it, taken responsibility for it, accepted the consequences, and are trying to repair the damage it has done to your life. That is more than most people ever do. Give yourself credit for that. Forgive yourself. Give yourself permission to breathe and to heal. And please try to tune out the voices of no-gooders (like those on this site) who don't know you and don't care about you. You owe that to yourself.

You're right that this is a "shades of gray" situation. I think and hope you will find people out there who will show you compassion and understanding. Whether or not you do, try to show it to yourself. Remember that this is a low point for you, meaning there are brighter days to come. If anything, surviving the reality of this experience - both taking responsibility for it and giving yourself the opportunity to recover from it - will ultimately make you more qualified as an attorney to show empathy and understanding for your clients, and advocate that others do the same. Good luck to you, and stay strong.

- HLS '06

i assume you all understand this blog profits off of your numerous posts -- including you Mr. Turn off the Comments Guy?

refresh = site visit = ad revenue.

if you want to make a stand, then leave the site and don't revisit. otherwise, enjoy the swill.

289 - no one gives a shit that you work at a V5.

Michigan 2L,

I'm a female attorney a couple years out of law school, and I sympathize with what you're saying. A younger sibling of mine has gone through many of the same psych issues you described, has been a victim of a similar crime (and has considered, though AFAIK has never actually done, escort work) ... so I empathize, I really do.

It's really damn easy for these anonymous idiots to post idiotic crap on a messageboard. As has been pointed out, many of them are hormonal, frustrated guys who (claim to be) working long hours and likely can't/don't get laid. Please don't take anything they say to heart. Their opinions count for absolutely jackshit. They are not the state bar admissions committee; they are not hiring partners -- and most of them never will be.

You made a mistake. You've acknowledged it, taken responsibility for it, accepted the consequences, and are trying to repair the damage it has done to your life. That is more than most people ever do. Give yourself credit for that. Forgive yourself. Give yourself permission to breathe and to heal. And please try to tune out the voices of no-gooders (like those on this site) who don't know you and don't care about you. You owe that to yourself.

You're right that this is a "shades of gray" situation. I think and hope you will find people out there who will show you compassion and understanding. Whether or not you do, try to show it to yourself. Remember that this is a low point for you, meaning there are brighter days to come. If anything, surviving the reality of this experience - both taking responsibility for it and giving yourself the opportunity to recover from it - will make you more likely to become a compassionate, empathetic attorney that clients will be fortunate to have.

Hang in there!

Why would being a prostitute hinder her admission to the bar? I mean, when it comes down to it, we're all whores anyway, right?

296 -- tell your sister hi for me.

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Some of the comments to this sad story make me feel disappointed with the law profession. Instead of looking at past criminal records the bar examiners should look at some of the comments to this story. I think that would give them a better perspective on character fitness.

Elie is posting little comments on the holiday party advice comment section, but he can't come here and defend keeping these disgusting comments up?

289 -- You are right on the f---ing money. Talk about a sense of entitlement. If you cant afford to get a graduate degree you have a license to do whatever the f--- you want. What nonsense.

276:

if you are a umich student you can see her pic. super eassy....

289 -- You are right on the f---ing money. Talk about a sense of entitlement. If you cant afford to get a graduate degree you have a license to do whatever the f--- you want. What nonsense.

I totally agree with 84 - UM 2L did the courageous thing and reported that deranged professor who ought to be drawn and quartered in the public square, along with the irresponsible AAPD that has essentially laughed off UM 2L's claim. Is there any way those keystone fucking cops can be charged for something and imprisoned? Do union rules permit at least summary firings of AAPD officers who were involved? Hopefully the prof will get the punishment he deserves.

28 is obviously not fit to practice law or work in a Denny's or anything else. He's prolly an unsatisfied customer of more than a dozen sex workers.

293, I find it fascinating that you originally posted that you were a HLS grad and then omitted it in your repost (296). Did you originally think your advice would count for more if you backed it up with a Harvard Degree?

Depression is an awful thing. I feel bad for this person, notwithstanding her poor choices, and wish her the best of luck.

The asses on this board, on the other hand, that have been so privileged as to never know hardship and feel the need to kick people when they're down, can go to hell. You are far less deserving of professional respect and courtesy than a decent behaving colleague with even the most checkered past.

The person(s) who pointed out the huge double standard of not damning every male attorney who has ever been with a prostitute are really onto something. If every attorney - male or female - was prevented from entering the profession for crimes as severe as this girl's, there would probably be a shortage of lawyers.

70, right on! I think that is exactly right. If people in this world were as forgiving and understanding as Jesus this world would be a lot better place. 106, did you know that the majority of the United States is Christian? How does reciting a quote from the Bible that promotes tolerance compare to being a follower of David Duke? The complete opposite and much closer to your bigoted comments about Christians.

70, right on! I think that is exactly right. If people in this world were as forgiving and understanding as Jesus this world would be a lot better place. 106, did you know that the majority of the United States is Christian? How does reciting a quote from the Bible that promotes tolerance compare to being a follower of David Duke? Ideas of Duke were the complete opposite of Jesus and are much closer to your bigoted comments about Christians.

"UM 2L did the courageous thing and reported that deranged professor who ought to be drawn and quartered in the public square, along with the irresponsible AAPD that has essentially laughed off UM 2L's claim. "

Because obviously everything UM 2L states is 100% accurate, right? And you of course, know this.

There are a lot of clownish comments on this thread, but just as many of them are made by these "outraged" types as there are made by mysognic types.

We're lawyers (or law students), shouldn't we know a little a bit about this whole law process works?

70, right on! I think that is exactly right. If people in this world were as forgiving and understanding as Jesus this world would be a lot better place. 106, did you know that the majority of the United States is Christian? How does reciting a quote from the Bible that promotes tolerance compare to being a follower of David Duke? Ideas of Duke were the complete opposite of Jesus and are much closer to your bigoted comments about Christians.

If you have to refer to your "lifetime number" by 20 as a milestone and you are 22 years old, you stipulate to being disease ridden.

So ATL disables the commenting for their Lateral Link job postings but leaves it on for this? Nice job.

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70, right on! I think that is exactly right. If people in this world were as forgiving and understanding as Jesus this world would be a lot better place. 106, did you know that the majority of the United States is Christian? How does reciting a quote from the Bible that promotes tolerance compare to being a follower of David Duke? The complete opposite and much closer to your bigoted comments about Christians.

Please don't let any of the negative comments get to you. They are being made by lawyers or law students who are miserable with their own lives so they lash out at an absolute stranger.
I hope you get justice and I hope you find the strentgh to keep going. It sounds like you're already a pretty strong person.

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Ma'am, I will absolutely hire you, ahem, to represent me should you be admitted to the bar.

- Eliot Spitzer

To the Michigan 2L - If you are reading these comments, PLEASE ignore the jerks and insults. I am sure that the vast majority of people sympathize with you. Do not let these terribly mean comments get you down - ignore them.

312, at 22 one might reasonably have been sexually active for, say, six years. Under 20 sexual partners over six years means about three sexual partners a year. Do you really think sleeping with a different person every four months is that big a deal?

This is serious business.

The professor should be prosecuted!

and 67- Having to sell yourself to pay rent is not real world enough for you? Get out of your little closed mind.

293, it doesn't sound like she's really taken responsibility for it. There were a lot of excuses in that message. While she's a victim to some extent, she can't justify putting herself in a position where she was likely to be harmed. She made a huge mistake, and I wish she would own up to it instead of blaming her problems on other things.

all these comments are making me three hundred and twenty fourthsty!

As a law student who has been in rehab, been suicidal, been depressed, I have to say I feel very little sympathy for her.

She did not take responsibility. She made excuses. The letter would have been much better if she had just apologized with the unnecessary commentary on how hard her life has been. Believe me, honey, we've all been there.

Good luck Michigan 2L, but please know that TRUE recovery doesn't happen until you can apologize and accept responsibility WITHOUT making excuses.

322 - Playing devil's advocate, but what was going to happen if she didn't pay rent in May? She wouldn't get evicted until the rent was at least 30 days late. By then it would be June and she could get a summer job and pay it back. She just made an extremely bad decision while in an extremely depressed state.

This is a mental illness issue. At least it sounds like she's getting the help she needs now.

Michigan 2L can probably get a job working for the ex-NY guv.

I totally supported these boards being anonymous until reading 28's post.

Apparently this board is becoming like XOXO. That is unacceptable. And yes, I understand XOXO required screen names, but they also tried to refuse disclosing IP addresses.

--Anonymous hypocritical poster

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329, somehow i don't think www.edebtassurance.com is going to give a rat's ass.

For 320 -

That's actually enormously over the average number of partners real people have during their lifetimes. Men have 7, women have 9.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19374216/

Only 9% of women report having sex with 15+, and that's a *lifetime* number, not for a 22-year-old.

Only 17% of men and 10% of women go through 2 or more sex partners in a year.

You clearly hang out with skanks.

The medain numbers are actuallly 7 for men and 4 for women in that link.

So she's super-whore.

Holy shit. How bad was the comment at 299 to have been removed by the moderator, and some of these other posts are still up? 299=the devil.

2L Girl, like others, I sincerely hope you are not reading these posts as the majority are just cruel and ugly. I couldn't stomach reading more than 20 or so.

If you are reading these posts, please know that the hurtful posts are written by trash who would never have the courage to openly criticize you.

I sincerely hope you find the support and help you need to get you through this time in your life.

Too bad her suicide attempt failed. The legal profession (and the world) would be a better place without her.

ATL will never take this post down. After spending weeks reading the sad little comments posted here, I've realized that the commentators, and not the ATL writers, fill ATL's pockets. Companies pay to post all the Flash ads, banner ads, and what-have-you ads all over this site, not because of the reporting, but because of the number of hits the site receives. The site obviously receives the hits from those posting or wishing to read the racist, misogynistic, foul-mouthed comments. If you really want to stop a disgusting spectacle like this, do what I am going to do. Stop writing NOW. Even better, stop writing here now, and write a letter to the companies that pay for the ads.

2L Girl, like others, I sincerely hope you are not reading these posts as the majority are just cruel and ugly. I couldn't stomach reading more than 20 or so.

If you are reading these posts, please know that the hurtful posts are written by trash who would never have the courage to openly criticize you.

I sincerely hope you find the help and support you need to get you through this time in your life.

Too bad her suicide attempt failed. The legal profession (and the world) would be a better place without her.

ATL will never take this post down. After spending weeks reading the sad little comments posted here, I've realized that the commentators, and not the ATL writers, fill ATL's pockets. Companies pay to post all the Flash ads, banner ads, and what-have-you ads all over this site, not because of the reporting, but because of the number of hits the site receives. The site obviously receives the hits from those posting or wishing to read the racist, misogynistic, foul-mouthed comments. If you really want to stop a disgusting spectacle like this, do what I am going to do. Stop writing NOW. Even better, stop writing here now, and write a letter to the companies that pay for the ads.

This is a sad story and I really hope you get back on track. But, as it was said earlier on in the thread, the law profession is not meant to be for everybody.

If (based on mental illness, depression, etc.) you make REALLY bad decisions in the legal profession, you could really hurt someone other than yourself. By choosing to prostitute yourself, you only harmed yourself. But if you were to make a similar misjudgment in the future you could bring harm to a whole lot of innocent people.

This will be what the Board looks at and, while it is highly unlikely you will be licensed, your life is not over; someone with your natural book-smarts can surely achieve great things.

Yeah, leaving this open for comments worked out well.

Wow. UM 2L, that was a solid letter. Sorry you had to go through all of this.

ATL will never take this post down. After spending weeks reading the sad little comments posted here, I've realized that the commentators, and not the ATL writers, fill ATL's pockets. Companies pay to post all the Flash ads, banner ads, and what-have-you ads all over this site, not because of the reporting, but because of the number of hits the site receives. The site obviously receives the hits from those posting or wishing to read the racist, misogynistic, foul-mouthed comments. If you really want to stop a disgusting spectacle like this, do what I am going to do. Stop writing NOW. Even better, stop writing here now, and write a letter to the companies that pay for the ads.

ATL will never take this post down. After spending weeks reading the sad little comments posted here, I've realized that the commentators, and not the ATL writers, fill ATL's pockets. Companies pay to post all the Flash ads, banner ads, and what-have-you ads all over this site, not because of the reporting, but because of the number of hits the site receives. The site obviously receives the hits from those posting or wishing to read the racist, misogynistic, foul-mouthed comments. If you really want to stop a disgusting spectacle like this, do what I am going to do. Stop writing NOW. Even better, stop writing here now, and write a letter to the companies that pay for the ads.

2L: Hugs to you for being brave and for everything you are going through. I've been sexually assaulted. It is an unbelievable blow to self worth that others cannot begin to understand. People who should care and help, or at least empathize, fail you. The good news is that it sounds like you have already hit bottom and are on the way back upward. Take good care of yourself, one day at a time. In addition to your faith, it only takes one real friend or caring relative to help you get through this. Let that person be there for you right now. And don't worry too much about the bar. It's not the 1800s; you may have a sympathetic board. If not -- there is definitely more to life than lawyering, and you can channel this unfortunate experience -- it's something that happened to you, not something that you *are* -- into something that inspires you to help others in a similar situation, or you can reinvent yourself in something entirely different and leave this all behind you with no reminders. The year that I was dealing with my past victimization was the most difficult year of my life but also the most freeing and exhilirating time, a formative period, when I discovered my power over myself and my future.

To all the haters out there: It seems ironic that many lawyers are willing pimp themselves out for money... stop and think. Don't look down upon a man unless it is to offer him a hand up.

i'm wondering what drugs, if any, she is on. legally, prescribed, illegally.

i'm wondering what drugs, if any, she is on. legally, prescribed, illegally.

i'm wondering what drugs, if any, she is on. legally, prescribed, illegally.

i'm wondering what drugs, if any, she is on. legally, prescribed, illegally.

This bird is crazy!

Okay, you lived a hard life, dear, lots of people do. One thing I can't stand is when people give us a laundry list of all the "hardships" they've faced in life in an attempt to balance that against their further bad behavior and look for an absolution. Not gonna happen.

This chick's probably not all together upstairs, and it shows. If she wasn't legitimately unstable before, she certainly is now. But I'm pretty sure no one put a gun to her head and turned her into a Lady of the Night. You were (allegedly) "smart" enough to get into one of the top law schools in the country...I would have hoped she was smart enough to figure out some less degrading and more lawful means of supporting herself. I can think of ten things I would do were I short on the rent that are all perfectly legal. Gumption, sweetheart. But we all know 'them LSAT smarts go only so far in real life...this is proof.

If we keep letting people get away with sob stories like this, we'll never have any personal responsibility left for this society...we have precious little already. No sympathy here, sorry. Best of luck, darling.

Michigan 2L - if you're reading this, hang in there. You don't owe anyone anything and I wish the police had prosecuted the professor. Has he been outed?

these pretzels are actually making me three hundred fifty firsty!

"oh no, please stop these awful comments."

boo hoo. Don't read nasty comments if you don't like them or are too fragile a hippie.

Registering screen names solves nothing, look at XOXO. Unless the law is broken, no IP addresses will be turned over to anyone. The crude (often funny) comments will continue. Last I checked it was still legal to be crude. In fact, it is our right as citizens.

Also, butt cheeks poster is a shining example of freedom, sweet juicy freedom.

http://www.foulmouthshirts.com/designs/new/shirt-thumbs/thumbnails/fuck-police.jpg

yes yes. thank you for being so brave and admitting you sleep with men for money. go work at mcdonalds or something. ridiculous.

Hugs and best wishes to Michigan 2L. Your letter took a lot of courage- there will be brighter days ahead. Hang in there.

And to the cowards and closet sadists who feel a need to kick someone when they are down, you will get yours eventually.

No one owes you fools toleration for your hateful comments. I don't understand how the weirdos on this board turn it around in their heads.

The comment moderation needs to be on, and this issue needs to be taken seriously. We are not a preschool. We are not a profession that tolerates misogyny. We are the people who swore to uphold the laws of our country. And goddammit, we can act like grown ups in public.

Hugs and best wishes to Michigan 2L. Your letter took a lot of courage- there will be brighter days ahead. Hang in there.

And to the cowards and closet sadists who feel a need to kick someone when they are down, you will get yours eventually.