Nationwide Pay Freeze Watch: Womble Carlyle Bows to Southeast Economy
While Southeastern United States Senators are busy making the world safe for Toyota, Southeastern law firms are busy just trying to survive.
The latest bad news comes the 132-year-old law firm Womble Carlyle. The North Carolina based firm has decided to freeze salary increases for all attorneys through the first half of 2009 at least:
In these times, prudent management requires that we minimize our expenses in order to retain the flexibility that is necessary to deal with unforeseen developments. Accordingly, in addition to a variety of expense cuts that are included in the budget, we have decided not to increase base salaries for salaried attorneys and staff at the beginning of 2009. As we approach the midpoint of the year, we will review the situation and decide whether to provide any increases for the balance of the year. The only exceptions are those attorneys who become salaried members or of counsel on January 1, 2009.
I imagine that if you are a lawyer that relies heavily on the disaster area of the Charlotte banking market, just having a job is reward enough. You don’t want to be laid off in North Carolina right now. Womble Carlyle hopes to avoid that worst case scenario after the jump.
Womble Carlyle hopes — but cannot promise — to avoid layoffs:
We intend to make every effort to avoid job cuts, and the 2009 budget does not contemplate such cuts. Given the economic uncertainty, we will of course develop a variety of contingency plans, but we will do our best at all times to preserve jobs. We very clearly understand that our talented attorneys and staff are our most valuable assets.
Notwithstanding the fact that Womble is freezing salaries, management included the “everything’s great, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” language that has become boilerplate when firms of all sizes announce bad news:
Like almost every other business and law firm, we will fall short of our 2008 budget, but we are stable, profitable and confident that in the long run we will emerge a stronger firm with an even stronger client base. …Womble Carlyle is an outstanding firm which has endured other tumultuous times in its 132-year history. We are extremely optimistic about the future of the firm. Thanks for all that you do!
I suppose firm management can’t say “we really hope this works, otherwise we are totally screwed.” Still “extremely optimistic” and “no pay raises” seem like contradictory thoughts.
Expect to see additional salary freezes over the course of the winter.




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Bill Frist! I mean...First...what?
What is a Womble?
NOT first! But PEANUTS and CHEESE!
Who is ROD PAMPERS?
They have law firms in North Cacalacky?
huh.
Does the freeze mean that they are freezing the class salary or does it mean that they are freezing the individual's salary (e.g. come January a new 6th year will still be paid is old 5th year salary)?
It Wombles but it won't fall down?
Womble doesn't rely heavily on Charlotte banking/finance/securitization work. In fact, they don't do very much at all. This makes this move even more troubling for those at Womble.
6- Probably the individual salary.
ATL sucks this morning (more than usual).
I just Wombled in my pants!!!
Elie are you feeling better this morning???
-concerned
I summered at Womble in 2002. I ultimately took a job elsewhere for non-work related reasons, but still believe they are a great firm.
I think if you're a Womble attorney, you really have to respect that the partnership is being straightforward about what it is going on. If they had just addressed the salary freeze, everyone would freak out about lay offs. If they said no one would be cut, who would believe them? Good for them for not pulling a Fried Frank.
This is the tip of the iceberg. Many others will follow.
I heard that if you Womble a Sheep it is good luck in North Carolina.
Womble has to pay increased licensing fees for the bulldog logo. Ergo, salaries get axed.
Womble has to pay increased licensing fees for the bulldog logo. Ergo, salaries get axed.
Womble has to pay increased licensing fees for the bulldog logo. Ergo, salaries get axed.
14 = Womble partner
Hopefully we aren't looking at a salary ice age...
Womble Atty here - the management makes a real effort to let us know what is going. It is appreciated. The firm is a good SE firm, careful and deliberate.
Kudos to Womble all the way around. I would gladly freeze my salary if it meant that my firm could stall or wholly avoid layoffs.
I'm not sure why other firms haven't considered this option.
Weembles Womble but they don't fall down.
Womble already pays well below market in Atlanta. 1st years at A&B make more than 4th years here.
Now, not only are associates in Atlanta being paid well below market, they are loosing a year's worth of salary increases. Its not like assocaites will reieve "double raises" in 2010.
23 = attorney in the Greensboro office making an Atlanta salary.
I'd like my Womble deep fried, please
I'd like my Womble deep fried, please
Time for a war of Northern Revenge. Unemployed auto workers and suppliers unite. We're invading the South starting with Charleston, SC. We'll sack Charleston and do a reverse-Sherman...marching through the Southern states pillaging foreign auto factories and Southern Senators homes as we work north to Kentucky and Tennessee. Put the Cork in Corker!
anyone on ATL - how can i get that posting on what to give our assistants for the holidays? ATL? BUELLER? ANYONE? I remember there was a list for each class provided last year. again!
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anyone on ATL - how can i get that posting on what to give our assistants for the holidays? ATL? BUELLER? ANYONE? I remember there was a list for each class provided last year. again!
anyone on ATL - how can i get that posting on what to give our assistants for the holidays? ATL? BUELLER? ANYONE? I remember there was a list for each class provided last year. again!
anyone on ATL - how can i get that posting on what to give our assistants for the holidays? ATL? BUELLER? ANYONE? I remember there was a list for each class provided last year. again!
30/33/34/etc.
Seriously, you can't figure out how to type "assistants" into that search box in the upper right?
Apparently not...
I will give my assistant a brand new sheep of her very own. They are awesome Christmas presents.
U of M should quit admitting those out of state Southern students.
26, the problem is that they don't really pay "Atlanta salaries." They pay market for local firms in Charlotte (I don't consider MVA to be 'market' because no one has followed their lead). That's great in Charlotte and Greensboro, but it's pretty lousy for Atlanta. They do pay more in D.C., but not 160.
26 = Wool Pusher
Womble associates in hick-towns like Winston-Salem and Greensboro make $130,000k to start, and W-S and Greensboro ain't Charlotte. Just sayin...
Behold! The end of lockstep pay.
Even still, NC is a far better place to be than f'up Texas.
26 is pretty on the money here. Womble pays under in Atl., middle of the line in Char. (under some, over some - there is a wide range in Char.)., and over in Winston-Salem and Greensboro.
Let's be fair. Womble is not the first to jump on a raise the pay bandwagon, but they are also not the first to jump on the axe a bunch of worker bees bandwagon. The firm being up front with the bees is refreshing. And really, a pay freeze after how many raises in how many years, and a market flooded with attorneys - really, is that a shocking or bad move? I know it is crazy, but sometime bees and the firm should work together in hard times....
Does this mean that Winston now gets to eat chucksteak instead of Prime Rib?
32 - Too funny. What an idiot.
What about Raleigh and Research Triangle?
Smart move. Lets keep the associates happy and lateral pipeline bursting in booming SE markets like Winston-Salem and Greensboro, because THAT is where Womble should focus for the future, not cow-towns like Atlanta and Charlotte. Yea, lets underpay in those markets....
Womble is home of the Cackalacky mustache riders assocication.
How is it "everything's great, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" language when it starts off discussing a budget shortfall? It may be confident in closing, that's not the same. Please, cut and paste if you must, but please make sense. Thank you.
What about Raleigh and Research Triangle?
Texas owns NC with respect to standard of living and pay scale. To say otherwise is preposterous.
I donkey punch Michigan Law grads all the time. What's the big deal?
32 -- I bet that law student was getting paid more for her craigslist ad then that post earlier today about the entry level job in Long Island.
(I guess they both qualify as entry-level jobs, don't they?)
Michigan law chicks are easy.
-Michigan 1L (not Nervous)
They aren't the only ones freezing salaries. A number of firms in NY that are only lockstep the first two years are freezing peoples salaries, or giving measly token raises to high performers.
57, who might I ask?
Gasp! You mean the great NY firms are freezing salaries? But I thought that NY firms are the TTH (tippy top of the heap) while we are all TTT.
Here are all WCSR first-year salaries...
Atlanta 130
Baltimore 145
Charlotte 130
D.C. 145
Durham 130
Greensboro 130
Greenville (S.C.) 105
Northern Virginia 145
Raleigh 130
Wilmington (DE) 145
Winston-Salem 130
I can't speak for Virginia and points north, but that's pretty close to market in the Carolinas and below market in Atlanta.
They pay $15k (more for mid/senior levels) below market in Atlanta and D.C.
With the exception of Charlotte and maybe Raliegh, the salaries they pay in NC are king's ransoms.
Also, I can confirm that the cost of a mustache ride is the same at each of WCSR's locations. *phew*
-Mr. Womble
what about the atlanta office?
63 - What about it? In 2009, they'll make what they made in 2008.
how is their business in atlanta compared to nc? equally slow?
-63
All of the comments have been removed by moderator. He's finally lost it!
WTF is all of this "comment removed by moderator" crap
To all the sheep bashing the south, even Womble's middle of the road payscale >>> almost every NYC firm relative to COL.
king & spalding is reducing salaries by quietly converting associates to staff attorneys
king & spalding is also passing over associates in the partnership window that have billed 2500 hours
amazing
what a shit hole
Womble's Greensboro and W-S salaries are actually below market compared to their "pier" firms in those areas . The top firms in Greensboro and Winston have to pay Charlotte salaries even though they aren't in Charlotte.
Just remember, everyone has an opinion, and that's what most of these comments are.
Just remember, everyone has an opinion, and that's what most of these comments are.
70 - Are you smoking crack? Who are Womble's "peer" firms in W-S? A 20 person Kilpatrick Stockton office? And Greensboro? Don't make me laugh.
Face it, associates in Womble's second-tier NC offices (i.e., everyone not in Charlotte or Raleigh) make A FUCKING KILLING. They get paid big-city salaries (by SE standards), but live in 3 stop light towns. Pretending otherwise is foolish.