YARRRR, NINJAS HAVE STOLEN ME BOOTY

*still smiling from getting my first interview...small hint of nervousness sets in when i realize i've never had a law interview.*

any interview tips???

-nervous T-10 1L
email job leads to nervoust101l@yahoo.com

1 interview :)
5 dings :(:(:(:(:(
173 pending...
1 "wait until january" :/

Elie,
Again, keep your damn politics off of here. That "diversity" post had NOTHING to do with what was actually linked. Keep it in your pants.

Incurring $150,000 in student loan debt to earn a JD from Michigan State and an LLM from Wash U is never a very wise move.

You misread the TaxProf post about the LSAT. It had to do with REPEAT takers, not total takers, and it has to do with the whole "average score" thing, not the popularity of law school per se.

Yes because "diversity" has really helped this blog.

A competent white HLS graduate (i.e., someone who scored more than 160 on the LSAT) would have been able to read English and would not have made the idiotic comprehension mistake in the second blurb (as 6 pointed out).

"Michigan State Law School" = Cooley.

Michigan is such a TTT. We should kick it and UPenn State out of the T14

nervous T-10 1L,

Congrats on the interview! I can't wait to read all about it, seriously. What city is it in?

Michigan State Law School does not equal Cooley. Cooley is Cooley. Michigan State is the Detroit College of Law. Top 10% at MSU gets you any job in Michigan.

Mystal,

Did you even read the TaxProf post you linked to?

How exactly does an increase in REPEAT LSAT takers confirm that law school is still cool?

Inference fail.

Make sure you catch this classic quote from career services in that CNN article (third item above):

There is concern among law students that getting a job after graduation may be more difficult this year, said Kim Fields, director of career services at Wake Forest University School of Law.

"I do think the jobs are out there, you just have to look harder for them. You have to dig," she said.

nervous T-10 1L got pw3nd by the MSU student! He sent out over 300 letter and you sent less than 200! nervous T-10 1L is a TTT douche. hahaha

Trolling aside, I sent out 700 last year and scored 1 interview in NYC. The firm called me in, and given the ethnicity of my name, we found ourselves magically talking about clients in that country. I think they thought I was fresh off the boat when I'm third-generation, don't speak a lick of the language. Did I mention the major firm I worked at the summer before didn't extend me and offer because I was a white male. Shit you not.

Trolling aside, I go to HLS so I had offers without even having to apply.

MSU Law grad would have a job by now if it wasn't for the stigma of his Wash U LLM.
Sparty on, MSU Law.

13,

I wish Ms. Fields would tell me where to dig. I graduated from a T14 in May and am still unemployed. I have networked and applied for many jobs, but the market just isn't favorable for recent graduates right now.

Sincere congratulations, T-10 1L. Equally sincerely: Can you now just go away?

Guys at my high school used to boast about their ivy league credentials while failing miserably at reading comprehension and basic inferential logic all the time, it was no big deal.

-FRAT STUD

Didn't Kim Fields used to be "tootie" on The Facts of Life? What the hell is she doing in her new role as the Joan King of the south?

T10 1L

Here's an interview tip:

Quit spending all your time on ATL and go develop your social skills, by communicating with "real" people.

This insipid talismanic belief in the power of "diversity" is bullshit. Yes, shoehorning URM's into elite schools and elite jobs will help our country deal with an economic crisis, why not? Also, affirmative action can do your laundry for you, and quota-based set-asides can paint your house!

If we just waste enough resources, and eviscerate enough constitutional principles, trying to force a desired result of proportional representation without regard for merit, achievement, or even proportionality to numbers of applicants, why Karl Marx might just rise from his grave and free us all!

19: i'll go away once my life becomes consumed with models and bottles after i begin cashing those FAT checks..

*replays "good life" on my 80 (soon to be 160) gb ipod*

22: :(

-nervous T-10 1L
email congratulations to nervoust101l@yahoo.com

1 interview :)
6 rejections :(:(:(:(:(:(
173 pending…
1 “wait until January” :/

when i was in law school, the career services office had a seminar about how to survive on a public interest salary.

their answer? marry a man with a firm job. fucking insulting.

Dear MSU Law 1/300 response rate:
Remember, you need three interviews at McDonald's before they offer you a job.

25, seriously? What school's career services office would do that?!?

we need a troll rating feature on ATL.

Trolls, you know who you are. You've been warned!

27 - NYU

27: this is 25. it was at Wash U. they had two panelists talking about their experiences--and both of them talked about how their husbands with the big firm jobs paid the bills and loans and stuff.

25/30: by seminar, do you mean panel discussion?

Nervous T-10 1L:

Sent out 10 resumes, and have a three interviews at vault 5s. Fall starter, so no grades. I guess summer starter remedial students need to send out as many resumes as they can.

I question my decision to go to law school every day and I am employed, busy (as I am still at the office at 10) and debt free. I debate moving to a smaller town and teaching high school or opening an ice cream store all the time; and it is getting tougher and tougher to talk myself into staying at the firm.

33, do what makes you happy. You only live once.

33, I hear you. I am luckily debt free as well, and after a while in biglaw associate hell (no kidding, I think my last gig gave me the white collar equivalent of PTSD), escaped to Govt work. It is, for the time being, a great respite from the prison/hell of firm life, but in my mid thirties, is it a career I want for the long term? Almost definitely no.

Thinking dive shop/deep sea fishing charter business. Only half kidding.

32: congrats! i haven't heard back from any v5's yet.

*splits some of my models and bottles with a fall starter*

-nervous T-10 1L
email congrats to nervoust101l@yahoo.com

1 interview :)
6 rejections :(:(:(:(:(:(
172 pending...
1 "wait until january" :/

Yo T-10 1L

People with "models and bottles" are rarely nervous. They are happy, giddy even. Although I realise that you probably have deluded yourself into believing that Regent is T-10, you still embarrass yourself with your complete inability to spin a good yarn.

Perhaps you should give up your desire to obtain a law degree and go wait tables on a cruise ship or something. The pay is pretty shitty, but you get free travel.

33 --- Make a break for it. Good luck.

T-10 1L:

Strut into the office like you own the place. Ask the interviewer's secretary to get you a coffee. Put your feet up on the interviewers desk. Make sure you belittle the interviewer at some point. Firms love to hire summer associates with cojones.

...

39 - eff T-10, I'd rather hire you.

can we get some pics from Professor Thom's? I want to see the party!

Of course more people are re-taking the LSAT. (1) more people are applying to law school since they can't get regular jobs (read as: finance, banking, etc.), and (2) when they epically failed the first time, there's no harm in trying a second time due to the stupid rule change of taking the highest LSAT score.

move to Vermont. it's the healthiest state . . .

Okay, so the guy from MSU went to WUSTL for a LL.M. in Tax. First, if the person is dumb enough to get a LL.M. in tax from a school other than UF, G-Town or NYU, he deserves to be unemployed. Even WUSTL JDs, for the most part, can't get jobs.

45,

Yet somehow all of my 3L friends had their offer letters sealed months ago. Plus, man, not having all that debt due to the school's endowment really limits my options. I mean, when I graduate with half the debt of most schools above me, I may have to take that $160k bigfirm job just to pay my debt. Wait, no I won't.

31, yeah, it was a job panel. They should have selected better panelists (or told them not to say stupid shit).

wustl-1L

45,

Apologies. I was a bit harsh there and missed the 'for the most part' qualifier.

Lack of sleep in studying for my first finals may be getting to me. Hope things are going well at your firm.

46

is diversity what got you here, elie? fat, fat elie?

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elie is fat

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What kind of troll are you?

http://www.bitterlawyer.com/index.php/columns_detail_comment/seven_species_of_legal_website_trolls/?cat_id=13

46, glad your WUSTL 3L buddies got their letters from the St. Louie City Public Defenders Office. Or that satellite office in KC or Omaha. As someone who knows a few WUSTL grads, I'm well aware that the school doesn't place well below the top 3rd in a bad economy. Has problems in a good economy too. All I was saying is that the guy getting a tax LL.M. from WUSTL is dumb for not getting a tax LL.M from a top 3 program---and then expecting a job to fall into his lap. WUSTL is great for people---like yourself---who got a scholarship and also managed to get into the top of the class. However, for the rest of your JD buddies, the "I'm just outside the top 1/3" shtick doesn't work.

For the love of God, and once and for all. Diversity of viewpoints is good in any organization, as it leads to options in solutions. However, there is no reason to think that having people that look different within an organization will lead to more diversity of opinion than having people from different regions of the country, different religions, citizens and foreigners, men and women, conservatives and liberals, and so on. The reason we ended up with this silly "people who look different will think different" rationale is b/c of white guilt over the history of America, but at the same time not wanting to say "we're going to be racist against white people b/c we used to be racist against black people." At least in the law school environment, affirmative action achieves no diversity of opinion. 90% of law school students are liberal do-gooders who think everyone would make the same amount of money and have the same exact level of achievement if not for the Roman Empire, Colonialism and Slavery. If law schools really wanted diversity of view point, they would make applicants write statements on how they see the world, etc. And they would take the statements seriously and afford them more weight than they do US News Rankings (which they all do, despite moaning about how inaccurate they are). They would look at a resume and see what the applicant has done, instead of basing 99% of the decision on LSAT and GPA. Same goes for law firms, and in fact any organization. If you want creative solutions, make sure you hire people with different viewpoints, and make sure you hire the most capable people, no matter what their color. Don't lazy out and say "this person's skin is darker than mine, and so clearly he thinks differently about the world than I do." Reality check: most people in big law are spoiled d-bags who have gotten where they are b/c daddy is a partner at ABC law and mommy is a doctor at DEF hospital, and that goes for white just as it does for black, or whatever else. It is hard to walk these halls and find anyone who has actually risen above, on their own. (If you disagree with this sentiment, then you are probably the person I am talking about. Enjoy daddy's winter ski house!) Anyway, to finish up: if you want the most capable people, hire them. If you want people with diverse viewpoints, hire them. But don't lazy out and assuage your liberal guilt by saying just because someone looks different, they will think different. I think there is a word for that.

14 -- your comment is brilliant. You managed to put together a succinct and highly concentrated xoxotard statement, with perfect usage of "TTT," "T10," !s, "douche," "pw3nd," and "hahaha." I would have also thrown in "Cooley," "prestige," and another two or three "TTTs," but you did well.

Others probably didn't get your impersonation of the super awesome 2L xoxotard, but I did, and I commend you for it. It's like, totally 180.

59 - great point! hahahahaha . .. . ROTFLMFAOAFYUFM!

Diversity's day has come and gone. The legal profession is going to shrink, and the best (smartest, hardest working) lawyers will be the only ones who survive. Lawyers who have jobs for reasons (gender, color) other than their personal intelligence and work ethic, won't any longer (not in the private sector at least).

55 --

I'm numbers 2, 3, and 6. All the others royally suck.

I noticed, however, the conspicuous lack of a category defined as "Clever, Handsome Troll With Awesome Beard/Haircut". That would also be me.

#21 - You take the good. You take the bad. You take them both and there you have the Facts of Life.

diversity is over rated. in fact, it's bullshit. Next.

A recent study concluded that Texas has more retards per capita than any other state. Everything really is bigger in Texas.

Finish breakfast and post!

Whoever is finally outed as the person or firm that extends an offer to T10-1L should really be forced to do the honorable thing and jump out of the nearest window.

Two lovely little items:

1. Holiday layoffs, via NLJ.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202426457764

2. The art of doing layoffs, from silicon valley's finest
http://blogs.openforum.com/2008/11/18/the-art-of-laying-people-off/

I sent out 650 resumes and got three interviews and no CNN article.

Biglaw blows.

Wait, are you guys saying that my exposure to URM's in undergrad and law school will not make me a more worldly person?!?!?!?!!? Preposterous!

I really hope T10 announces where he will be employed.

Texas loves itself some retards:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28036793/

25: You are my class year at Wash U law. Who are you??? I distinctly remember people talking about that presentation.

25: You are my class year at Wash U law. Who are you??? I distinctly remember people talking about that presentation.

25 - Ironically, my wife, who used to be in biglaw, now works as an attorney in the public sector, while I work for biglaw and pay the bills.

25 - That's ok, when I was in law school we had a program about diversity which essentially was the feminazis (I'm a feminist, so I use that word deliberately) yelling at white males for an hour about how biased and secretly evil they were for being rich white males. This was in the midwest and many of the white males there came from backgrounds that could charitably be called PWT, so they were WAY off the mark.

It was so insulting some of the students tried to walk out and the admin refused to let them leave.

The best example..."if you're female and a male compliments your haircut/style in a depo or settlement conference, don't you feel belittled??"
Student's response "no, I believe we call that a compliment."
"No! They're saying you're only as important as the looks you bring into the room!"
"No, they're saying they like your hair."
"Next."

T-10 1L - a fat paycheck will allow you to be another jackass paying for bottles. The lack of an interesting personality will make sure that you won't get models and will prevent you from getting a job with a fat paycheck.

So enjoy the clubs and the bottle service while you're sitting alone watching the idiot in the boot next to you kick it with a hot piece of ass.

21: DAMN - you stole my joke. Though I didn't even think of the King tie-in.

If I see one more third tier toilet comment made from a clearly insecure, one centimeter away from failing out of law school/getting canned ATL reader, I will be forced to kick the next Principal that walks down the hall just to punish them for hiring arrogant, pompous newbies.