Stealth Layoffs at McDermott Will & Emery?
Over the past few weeks, there has been a lot of rumbling over at McDermott Will & Emery. One tipster succinctly explained what many MWE associates are seeing:
[T]here is literally no work … nothing at work for a few weeks. Apparently everyone is waiting for the axe to fall. You should watch MWE like a hawk.
More like a buzzard. We’ve been circling over McDermott for days, waiting for something to fall. So far, we’ve not yet been able to speak with a single MWE associate who will stipulate that they have been laid off. But sources both inside and outside MWE claim that a number of stealth layoffs have taken place at the firm over the past month.
The number many tipsters are coming up with is 20.
Now, that number seems high to us. A major firm like McDermott usually can’t keep 20 people silent for all that long. However, when we approached the firm with our information, they would neither confirm nor deny the reports about firm-wide layoffs. A spokesperson for MWE only had this to say:
As a matter of policy we do not publicly discuss personnel matters.
Additional tipsters weigh in after the jump.
As we understand it, these layoffs — if true — have been focused in MWE’s D.C. and L.A. offices. We have some reports about layoffs in New York and Chicago, but most of our information is coming out of D.C. and L.A.
We don’t yet have a good idea of which practice groups MWE might be cutting.
We also believe that some McDermott associates were laid off so “stealthily” that they didn’t even know they were laid off until an attorney placement service called them. According a tipster, MWE works with an outgoing-attorney career assistance company. A number of associates received calls from that placement and counseling service before they were told by management that they were fired.
That’s a tough way to find out you’re no longer needed, but it’s better than a post-it note on your computer screen.
Finally, we also understand that at least some of these attorney reductions have hit the class of 2007. If it turns out that these are “performance review” layoffs, it’ll be difficult to explain how associates who have been there less than 18 months performed so poorly that they had to be axed.
Meanwhile, we are still waiting to see how McDermott’s final bonus numbers shake out. Remember that they announced that they were sticking to their early bonus plan, but left the door open on what their final bonus package was going to look like.
Whether you are interested in bonus news or layoffs news, interesting things are happening at MWE. We’ll keep you posted as more information shakes loose.
Earlier: Associate Bonus Watch: McDermott Will & Emery is Sticking to the Plan … For Now
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Who's MWE? Where's there head office? How many attornies? Where do they fall on the vault ranks? Why should I care?
the first thing is so stupid and annoying, particularly when you are signed in as a guest.
Will the axe fall like a tomahawk? I am so tired of reading about this. Can we talk bonuses.
if you don't spell attorneys right you don't need to worry about biglaw.
Eleventh!
If you don't capitalize, you don't need to worry about Biglaw.
Totally false. SkaddenDC is spreading this rumor because they are threatened by this up and coming powerhouse.
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SkaddenDC is like the Titanic after it hit the iceberg -- slowly taking water and rearranging all the deck chairs won't help.
Goodbye.
Glub.
This would never happen at WILDMAN HARROLD because they have a totally paperless office and really nice chairs in the reception area.
Hey # 7 - you should take the Facebook "there, they're, their" test. My guess is that "there" is no possible way you score over 33%. As for MWE, sounds like "they're" not doing so well with "their" current financial situation.
So there.
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"who will stipulate that they have been laid off"? Would they admit it privately but not enter into a written stipulation?
Does using the word "stipulate" make you feel like a lawyer, Elie?
Bizarre -- I tried to find "attornies" in my dictionary, but my dictionary exploded.
On the other hand, google has tons of hits for that spelling. Are there that many people who screw it up, or is it an acceptable variation in someplace? (other than my dictionary, where it does not exist)
Yes, the boutiques have work
"According a tipster"?????? UGH! TYPOS! UGH!
Yes, the boutiques have work
Where are the MysTTTalites.
"...if "performance review" layoffs, it'll be difficult to explain how associates who have been there less than 18 months performed so poorly that they had to be axed."
Elie, probably a while since you were in private practice. Assure you that 18 months can be more than enough time in some cases.
MWE is the type of firm trying to be a big boy (aka top 25 vault) but not there. Firms like this will let people go under the guise of "performance review" when it's really because they're getting smoked both in lit. and corporate. I have a friend there who says it has been dead slow for a year now. Guess MWE is also technically in recession.
You are either FIRST in the comments section or you are last...simple as that.
7, you are a moron, have fun working in housing court.
I know someone who got the axe recently in the New York office. It is good to see this making ABL, it'll probably make it easier for her to get a job if it is known that there were serious lay offs.
Waiting around for work and just sitting there until someone finds you would be a good way to get laid off at a non big law firm. You entitled juveniles did not get that job by sitting on your ass. Go out and find something to do.
Guys from my high school used to not stipulate that they had been laid (off) all the time. It was no big deal.
Frat Stud
I demand definitions for the following terms: PEANUTS, CHEESE, and PRETZELS.
God damn SkaddenDC trying to ruin it for the rest of us hard working folks. I admonish you Mr. SkaddenDC.
A pox on you and yourn.
Overheard a partner from MWE LA talk about imminent layoffs in the near future. This was last week. And, yes, I'm serious.
31st!
Imminent lawyoffs. How imminent. How near.
No idea. Partner said, "None yet, but they're coming..." in response to a question about layoffs.
-33
Is MWE one of the firms that also canceled it's office party this year.
ABL = A Bovetha Law. I think we have found a replacement for MysTTTal!
Speaking as an associate at MWE, I can confirm that approximately 20 associates have been let go in the NY office alone in the past year. We were told in a meeting that none of the layoffs was attributable to lack of work, contrary to what the associates are told when they are let go (ie, that it is not performance-based, but as a result of low productivity, aka low billable hours).
Does anyone care about MWE?
Does anyone even care about MWE?
Only "lay-off" I know of so far was actually really a performance review issue, but the associate is spinning it. I'll bet actual layoffs are coming, though.
"A number of associates received calls from that placement and counseling service before they were told by management that they were fired."
Wow, talk about tacky. But still not quite as tacky as sending an email beforehand telling associates to expect layoff phone calls throughout the day. You're Still #1, Brown Rudnick!
34 = Fail.
29, how are associates supposed to get work if the partners don't have any?
12 - capitalization is so 2004. grow up.
Strong, confident firms (see White and Case) will let lawyers go and admit to the vanquished as well as to the public that it was an economic decision and not due to any fault of the laid off. MWE, a lower-tier firm with confidence problems (oh no, what will people say if we admit to lay-offs? ) doesn't have the guts to publicly say the truth - that its economic prospects and non-generating partners necessitate letting people go.
7--TTT moron
"Strong, confident firms..." - sounds so sexy. Where can I meet one of those?
39 - Posting from his home computer - obviously.
I can confirm 39's statement. Layoffs are due to a lack of work at the firm. It's sad.
The truth is that it is not black and white. Yes, because of the economy, and the extremely low attrition, law firms have way more headcount than they need and would like to reduce headcount. One way to do that is a "layoff". A better way is to push partners to get evaluations done and get rid of anyone who is not cutting it. In boom times these folks may have hung on a little longer, but they were never going to make it in the end. So what should we call these firings? Layoffs isn't accurate. But they are, at least partially, driven by the economy. Whatever you want to call it, this is what is happening in BigLaw right now.
51 - also from his home computer.
This is happening at every firm.
DLA laying off people big time. Not sure it's been covered on ATL.
Fenwick has troubles apparently.
Whole world going to hell, especially at San Francisco law firms.
26- what distinguishes a V-25 from a V-30? Are you the same douchebag who refers to a T-14 school because you went to #14, so you have to include it in the top ranking? I've heard of V-50 and V-100, but V-25 is a new one. Hopefully your firm goes from #25 to #19 so next year, you can shit on everyone who isn't at a V-19 firm. Now, I'll take my schlong out of your mouth so you can respond.
evidence is fun - hooray finals!
How are these firms allowed to lay all these people off? I was under the impression that SkaddenDC patented that business practice years ago? Any word that SkaddenDC is looking to bring legal action against a place like MWE for copping their steez?
Is it possible that SkaddenDC is selling its trade secrets and cutting-edge firing techniques to other similarly deflated law firms in an effort to keep the lights on til the end of the year?
mmmm vegetable soup..
55- do you have any scoop on the DLA offices or departments affected?
52 is right on the money
Lots of people were laid off at MWE earlier this year, many of the forign LLMs from the class of 2007 as well as some second year, so this is old news. Proskauer also had a bunch of layoffs two months ago and those weren't mentioned either. Safe to say 90% of the firms have had some form of layoffs
56 - I went to a T-87 law school (tied with three other schools). If a law school isn't T-87 it's nothing.
You know what would be awesome is if the commenting process on this blog was improved.
56 - I went to a T-87 law school (tied with three other schools). If a law school isn't T-87 it's nothing.
I farted
7, 40, et al:
How can you say such a thing? MWE is a thousand-lawyer firm that grossed almost a billion dollars last year (14th on the AmLaw list). To proclaim that you don't care about their fate is to proclaim utter ass-hatted ignorance about this country's legal landscape.
That was last year - take a look at them this year. If the attorneys could leave they did.
That was last year - take a look at it this year. If the attorneys could leave they did.
66 - comment of the day
67- don't make fun of my ass-hat please
47 is right. There are 2 ways to go. MWE went one. Also, I've heard their NY lit. dept. is totally reliant on one big rainmaker bringing in all the business. The rest are dead weight.
the angry mob is coming for their quarters
Waiting around for work and just sitting there until someone finds you would be a good way to get laid off at a non big law firm. You entitled juveniles did not get that job by sitting on your ass. Go out and find something to do.
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That's right! Just barge into random partner's offices and DEMAND assignments! Don't take no for an answer--if they claim not to have anything for you, lay down on the floor and refuse to move into you have a stack of docs to review!
75!
58 NAILED IT!
Any truth to the rumor of stealth hirings at SkaddenDC? I hear since no one wants to jump aboard that sinking ship they've been trying to scoop up 2Ls against their will and without their knowing.
What years are most of these layoffs for these firms? I know they are in RE and Corporate, but are they also mostly 2008, 2007, 2006 grads or is it random?
of course there are layoffs happening at all fims - the work just isn't there.
the work will come back soon (say by late 2011) but in the meantime the firms have to have staff cuts
If you do some work instead of worrying about getting fired maybe you wont!!
78 I think you're way off on when the work will come back. Most global recessions since the 1960s have lasted less than two years. Things will be back to normal by late 2009.
72 - I used to work there and heard something similar.
I still correspond with two associates at MWE NY.
One says yeah, a lot of people there are (still) really slow. The other told me about stealth (and not so stealth) layoffs of at least 2 associates in the NY lit group.
When I was still there a year ago it was already pretty slow. Those who had the ability (IP in particular) started to slowly go elsewhere on their own.
What about Paul Hastings?
Watch Milbank too...definitely big news about to break there. Layoffs almost a certainty. Rumors of no bonus as well.
biglaw needs to shrink by 35-50% at the associate level - these painful times are merely the first step of the healing process
the next step will be the reduction in class size of various lower ranked (but quality institutions of course) schools such as nyls, cooley, northwestern, etc
why aren't all these big firm partners out bringing in work? isn't it simply a matter of the top dogs getting retained for all the big ticket m and a, vc, etc work????
why do they blames the associates?
85 - Nothing to do with BLAME. Its simple self interest....if income is low the partners aren't going to fire THEMSELVES.
86 - Are you suggesting, sir, that associates are being let go because they are unprofitable? I dare say you are quite the Vulgarian - a typical American if you will! Good day sir!
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The Milbank post is nonsense. Pockets of slowness, but the firm is overall very busy. The Lehman matter alone is massive.
Five dollar. Five Dollar. Five Dollar footlongs.
82 - What do you know about Paul Hastings?
teh pardners need to go out and git all that MA and VC work just waiting there for servicin' and whatnot...
it aint like this is the biggest, baddest slowdown since the great de pression or something
what's the news on fenwick?
Gorillas in the MysTTT
Hillary!!!
12, were you not taught that is incorrect to use contractions in formal writing? I am assuming you were writing formally since you are so adamant about correcting other people
33 sucks cock, heard the rumor, he sucks it, and takes loads in his mouth.
52 is a MWE partner troll. Partners get to work finding work for associates you lazy no good pieces of TTT!
Stop trolling on our board! Go to Amlaw or whatever!
99 - Fuck you. This is not your board. And someone has to educate you morons.
99, right on! Maybe if 52 worked on his/her "impressive" $15-30K book of business instead of "educating" us on prevailing market conditions, all the poor MWE associates would have work to do and not be laid off.
I think we need some realistic advice on this board. hope you whining losers don't chase all the partners and senior people away. then we will be left with nothing but a bitch fest of juniors and law students.
80 - Atty turned banker here - Go read The Black Swan and please tell me where you work so I will know which firm NOT to use on any future deals. The past is not the best or even a good indicator of the future. Only a fool would think so.
any news on holland & knight?
What's up with the real deal ?
Why no news ?
And another question ? Does anyone start there as an associate or do they call all first year associates law clerks ?
Or does everyone from Fordham become a law clerk ?
beware of the brown dragon!
Jeffries Interviewer: So, Commenter @ 103 - top 15% in your class at Fordham Law, 2 years at Skadden. Very impressive. Why are you qualified to be a banker, though?
Commenter @ 103: I read the Black Swan.
Jeffries: Wow. The one by Taleb? Impressive. That book has gravity. And he, like, predicted everything that is happening basically. You're so hired.
I wonder if 103 also read Fooled By Randomness. If he did, he is probably qualified not only to be a banker, but maybe even Fed Chairman.
103 -
Read the Black Swan, would not recommend such a self-gratifying, ego-fulfilling, "I know all because I know I know nothing" piece of shit to anyone. Though I d agree with him that you can afford to be compassionate or courteous if once in a while when least expected you mess someone up, just to prove you can walk the walk.
I agree with 52. It stinks to get fired, but we all know there are associates sliding by with as few hours as they can muster, just collecting the money for a few years and then they're outta there. In the boom times those associates were needed, but now, if someone has to go so others have enough work to stay, it's going to be those associates. Not all of the layoffs posted on this website are unrelated to performance.
Is MWE the firm from "The Practice"?
Lit, Corp, Energy, Insurance in DC. 20 plus there over the last few months. 2004 and younger. More just told.
Who was just told? What percentage (approx) of the associates in the DC groups is that?
I had guys in my high school all the time.
Paul Hastings might be ok....they just hired some mid-level litigation associates...but i dont now if they actually started, just that they signed offer sheets
this is surely the black swan! the odds of a best selling airport book predicting this, the gravest financial crisis EVAR were asstronomical!
litARALEE no one saw a housing problem until basically last month....it was a TRUE BLACK SWAN!!!!! NO ONE COULD HAVE PERDICKTED THIS!!!!
Spring of 2009 will not be pretty.
I hope my offer does not get rescinded.
*nervous 3L with V50 offer*
Im a former MWE associate that was laid off after only a year. Perfect reviews until the work dried up. Than with no explanation, I was called into the partners office and laid off for "performance reasons." Im not the only one as I know of at least 5 other associates that were told the same thing. MWE needs to man up and tell the truth instead of saying its for "performance reasons."
what about mwe palo alto???
MWE Palo Alto end of year reviews take place this week, so if there are any "layoffs" they could take place this week.
Were any of the MWE associates laid off for "performance reasons" given any severance?
Any specific information regarding the LA office?
If you work for PJ you've still got plenty of work.
PJ?
What's the breakdown of associates let go this week in DC? Have any partners been asked to leave?
If you let the individuals with the lowest performance reviews go, even though you would have kept them around for a while in better economic times, does that fall into the category of economic lay off or fired for performance reasons? I think that's what's happening at MWE, and frankly, it seems like it would be fair to describe it either way.
So what are laid off people supposed to do for a living till 2011?
103 - please tell me where you work so I can come over and kick your ass. Tool.
103, what would you say to the technical analysts who pretty much use the past to make decisions on stocks?
The MWE energy atty's in DC all told me things were booming when I interviewed there. I am glad I did not accept.
Cleary matched Cravath. Do you have the memo yet?
118 - I used to work there (left on my own) and have heard similar stories. BS "performance" layoffs.
I actually talked a 2L into taking a summer spot at MWE in the fall of 07 when I was there and things were still good. Hope I didn't accidentally screw the poor bugger over.
MWE Palo Alto is expanding into Heller's old digs. I'd be surprised if they laid anyone off for economic reasons.
MWE associate here. Yes, there are definitely stealth layoffs happening. I know of three myself and have talked to someone higher up who says firm-wide layoffs are happening due to economic reasons. Additionally, anyone who says MWE is busy right now is lying - things are really really slow.
Any news on Schiff Hardin?
-concerned Schiff assoc.
Have associates from MWE's NY office been laid off?
What's the likelihood that 3L offers will be rescinded?
Another MWE assoc here.
133 is partially correct - some depts. are definitely slow and have been for most of this year (and getting even slower), and some offices are much slower than others. But there are pockets of people who are busy and who will make hours easily (myself included).
129 - I bet the energy group WAS booming when you interviewed. Look around at all of Biglaw - not much is "booming" in any department, at any firm.
103, so I guess all those hedge fund guys are complete fools?
The current mess is part of a long term cycle. It will rebound, and then in about 12 - 14 years happen again.
MWE associates--do you have any specifics as to which groups and what offices are being affected?
138- I'm not a MWE associate but I have a friend there who was affected by this, so I can tell you it is at least in the DC office.
120- my MWE friend was told it was performance related and no severance. Though they apparently give them some time to find something else.
I'm a 2008 trial associate at McDermott and can say that, at least in my office, every other associate is extremely busy.
I am not so busy at this point, as everyone in the office encouraged me to enjoy the first few months before the new fiscal year, but I can assure you that every associate in this office has as much work as they could ask for to hit bonus levels. Those that don't hit bonus levels do it out of choice, and no one minds so long as hours are respectable.
We also had reviews this week, and everyone whom I've spoken to has said they went great.
Further, McDermott has been aggressively hiring lateral associates from other top vault firms in offices around the country since I've been here, I've heard of no one losing their job, and don't think there's a bit of truth to these rumors. It's pretty easy to attribute one's firing to the economy or assert that it was due to a contrived performance review, it's also just as easy to get fired at any biglaw firm for not getting it done.
For all of those who think it makes a difference whether one is at a supposed v-10, or law school T10, I went to a T20 law school, am at T50 Vault, but get the same annual salary, and maybe a bonus that in the end puts my total compensation down by about 5% from a v-10 without crushing hourly demands. So keep talking, I'll keep enjoying and being glad I chose to work here.
McDermott is structured differently than most comparably sized firms. We do not have the pyramid model like so many others, have never borrowed a dollar to operate, and will not suffer the same problems as some of our peers.
No offense 140, but it sounds like you haven't been there very long and may not have the full picture. Plus, litigation associates are probably not being affected by the economy in the same way other associates are. Unfortunately, there is truth to the rumors. Maybe MWE is cutting people who are not top performers and maybe their hours are a little lower than others, but they are letting people go, and it happens to coincide with the most serious national economic downturn that any of us have ever lived through. Plus, they have hired a company to help these associates find placement elsewhere -- if it was truly performance-related, that wouldn't really make a ton of sense.
140 - So sorry to inform you that you have been living in La-La Land. The layoffs are not "rumors." I could give you a list of at least 15 names that I know of (in trial and corporate), but I obviously won't.
140 - You have been drinking too much kool-aid. I am an MWE associate and can say from personal communications with associates that layoffs are happening. You may not have heard of anyone being laid off, but people may not be interested in telling a first year associate they barely know all about their business.
As for people being busy, take a real look at people's hours in the time-entry system (don't just take what people say to be the truth) and you'll see that there is not enough work right now.
Also, it may seem easy to say now as a newbie that people getting fired are being fired purely for performance reasons, but maybe next year you'll feel differently when you've worked your ass off and received good reviews all year only to find out you're fired at the end of the year. Try and have a realistic perspective and don't think so poorly of your colleagues. People have worked hard and do not deserve the shitty treatment MWE is dishing out.
140 "Those that don't hit bonus levels do it out of choice[.]"
Wow! You are delusional.
What company is MWE using to help the associates find placement elsewhere?
140 - Please take MWE's dick out cha mouf. Thanks
140 is likely the same MWE troll as 52. Seems odd that a 2008 lit associate would be commenting on MWE's structure relative to other firms and its borrowing practices. 140 also pitches an incredibly rosy view--everything's great, lots of work, no one's getting axed, it's all rumors--that doesn't mesh with reality.
140 has got to be a fake.
If you are a real assoc. 140, you'd do yourself a big favor by watching and listening for a year or two instead of spouting off about topics you don't possibly have real insight into. Total comp. about 5% less than a v-10? Without "crushing hourly demands?" This from a kid who hasn't been through a billable year (bonus cycle) yet? Didn't you get the memo that 2000 really means 2200?
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy and and MWE has its good spots but its not Disneyland!
I wonder about 147, too. Not only does MWE have a pyramid structure, it might well have invented the structure, in Chicago at least, when it came up with the idea of a nonequity "income" partnership tier back in the 1960s. At MWE income partners sometimes get to hang around for a while after losing out on promotion to equity partner (thus allowing the firm to claim there's no pyramid), but if they do they will almost certainly be fired after their market value collapses and their chances of finding another decent job are gone. Without portable business, that can happen pretty fast, especially nowadays.
MWE has been letting people go, especially in DC, NY and LA, for the last year. The firm does reviews twice a year. The practice groups look at the reviews and the amount of work. If there is enough work, the firm will give weak attorneys time to improve. If there isn't enough work, the weakest are cut. They aren't bad attorneys, they are just at the bottom the stack. MWE also does this when they want to hire a lateral but don't have enough billable work to add an attorney. If they want the lateral, they figure out which associate they can spare.
People are told they have three months to find something, but some get another month or two if they can't find something.
The firm makes the attorney sign an agreement saying the attorney has no claims against the firm, for example you have not been sexually harrassed, in some cases in order to get the three months and the transition services from the headhunter.
I am aware of several attorneys who have been told to start looking. They also have said they had some warning before they got cut that they were not performing at the level expected.
The firm is not imploading. The midget's cheapness actually comes in handy at times like these. The current cuts are not yet about not enough work, but those are coming soon for some groups.
If you have not been let go pay very close attention during your reviews. If you are not all 1's, you should be worried
Go easy on 140. We were all green at one point in time.
Has anyone notice the amount of yelling between partners in DC. Lots of closed door meetings.
Really the only people safe here at MWE are people who wear fuzzy socks on airplanes. We find that endearing and can't bring ourselves to let those people go.
PJ does not have enough work. Spotty this year, with a lot of big clients in the shitter. Will be hard to keep the practice going on compliance alone. Too many chiefs, not enough indians, other partners not carrying their weight when it comes to growing the book. A few that were counted on to help fix things have been disappointing. Group used to be fun. Not anymore.
MWE has talked several times about getting rid of the income partner status. Nothing ever comes of it, but I think it is a good idea.
Does anyone know why so many of the people leaving McDermott , on their own initiative or otherwise, are women?
155 - I don't think its because MWE is a particularly bad place for women, MWE just isn't an especially good place for women either. The Women's Initiative program is basically non-active and just something to mention in the NALP listing. There isn't any real commitment to addressing women attorneys' careers/needs/issues differently than mens'. There is absolutely no mentorship between female partners and female associates - but there's not a lot of mentorship between female associates and male partners either. If things happen to be better for male attorneys at MWE its most likely just because there's more males altogether so networking and relationships develop easier (like any law firm).
156, Do you think it would be better if the firm did a better job of promoting women to capital partner and to get more woman that aren't men.
Seriously, 150 - "I am aware of several attorneys who have been told to start looking. They also have said they had some warning before they got cut that they were not performing at the level expected"??
Don't tell lies to protect MWE. You're pretending as if MWE is just conducting business the way it does in a normal year. I don't think so. The people I have spoken to did not have any warning whatsoever before being laid off. Don't be fooled into thinking these layoffs are truly performance-related. All associates should be worried because apparently MWE is worried and is taking it out on associates.
158. I was in the room for them.
158. I also want to confirm that I am not trying to protect the firm. I hate the place and have seen them do all kinds of reprehensible things to people. There are so many jerks running the place and not a good manager in the bunch. I would also say that the capital partners have no problem lying, cheating and stealing their way to the bank and do so through associate sweat equity. But everything in my post is accurate because I worry about being sued if my identity became known. It might not have happened across the board but it sure happened in my group.
157 - LOL - definitely, agreed.
Answer to 120: Former MWE attorney here. I was a stealth layoff for "performance reasons" several months ago and I got 3 months severance.
135: I know of at least 6 associates in corp in NY who are gone. Add litigation and the number in NY alone could easily top 20. Some income partners have had to leave and others have been encouraged to do so.
It is also true that a large percentage of those who have disappeared have been women. Someone should make a stink about this.
there definitely were stealth layoffs starting the beginning of the year. some ppl were told to leave outright and some where told to leave as part of the "performance" review this summer. many associates have also seen the writing on the wall and left because there is no work. in late summer, one partner actually said in a staff meeting that at least 60 attys (including income partners) firmwide have left this year or were asked to leave.
47 is right. MWE is handling this in the most despicable way possible. They have dragged some hard working, conscientious people through the mud, some of whom are already established in new positions and doing well. This is a great way to create enemies for years to come.
MWE used to be a great place to work. There was a time when I thought I was lucky to be there. But that feeling has passed. The old boys network is alive and well. I produce and do as good a job as most men, but do not get the back channel support that is critical to getting ahead. In hindsight, I should have done more to try and cultivate more support. However, I also think it is interesting that I had TRY to create support when it happens automatically for guys with equal or less talent. I also had to stroke a lot of egos from guys in the parternship that did not like the competition coming up from me.
There are many guys at the firm that I really like and believe support me, so the issue is not systemic and I am not saying that all guys are jerks. That is not the point of this post On the other hand, the more senior you get, the less support there is for women unless you are screwing a partner.
As a mid-level MWE female associate, my blood boils when I see the male capital partners taking the new male first-year associates under their wings and giving them opportunities and breaks I've never received. The partners blame it on whatever reasons they can think of like enthusiasm or attitude, but we all know how this works. MWE = Old Boys' Club
As a mid-level MWE female associate, my blood boils when I see the male capital partners taking the new male first-year associates under their wings and giving them opportunities and breaks I've never received. The partners blame it on whatever reasons they can think of like enthusiasm or attitude, but we all know how this works. MWE = Old Boys' Club
166 = Bitter 30 year-old no husband/boyfriend
As a mid-level MWE female associate, my blood boils when I see the male capital partners taking the new male first-year associates under their wings and giving them opportunities and breaks I've never received. The partners blame it on whatever reasons they can think of like enthusiasm or attitude, but we all know how this works. MWE = Old Boys' Club
166 = Bitter 30 year-old no husband/boyfriend
167 = 2L with no job/life/girlfriend/friends
167: 166 is right and it's just denial to try to dismiss her argument by blaming saying she needs a man to make her happy.
I saw the same dynamic she's talking about when I was still at MWE. Some guys feel threatened by women and when a guy came around that they could relate to, they would take him under their wing.
The fact remains that a lot of women have left MWE and I know of several female income partners who have been warned to either bring in more business or get out. There is definitely a gender discrepancy in departures/layoffs.
167-you think you have it bad? think about me. im a midlevel minority female associate. we don't even exist at this place (just look at the equity partner promotions, can you recall ever when a female minority made it)? oh yeah. at mwe, you can make it if you screw a partner liek 165 acknowledges.
think about this 167 postings because the firm is like a headless horseman. maybe we would actually get bonuses if mwe's management threw in their comp into the associate mix - like the CEOs of the autocompanies have to do for their failed leadership
There is a double standard. Why was a senior associate told she would not make it because she had dated too many guys at the firm but none of the guys were told the same thing?
My experience is consistent with 166 The firm has adopted a mentoring policy that should have fixed some of this, but a forced approach does not replace the natural mentoring that the male capital partners offer to male associates. I do not fault that mentoring, but I do wish it existed for me.
Were any women promoted to equity parner this year?
Were any women promoted to equity partner this year?
McDermoTTT.
173/174 - only 1 or 2 women (out or around 30) were promoted to equity partner.
173/174 - of the attorneys promoted to equity partner, only 1-2 out of around 30 were women.
156/165/170 -
not saying its right, but a certain inc. partner and her affair partner (eq. partner) did not help gender equality issues (or minority equality issues) with their shenanigans. its hard to cultivate a culture of equality for women (and hard to believe the firm has a genuine commitment to developing women attorneys into firm leaders) when (1) a certain male partner/firm leader sets such a bad example; and (2) a certain female partner sets the same bad example.
178 - can you be more specific, without revealing names? what office/group?
no longer with the firm.
"As a matter of policy we do not publicly discuss personnel matters."
IP associate/partner and IP equity in DC. Now at a firm that starts with a W.
This has happened in several other cases in the DC office.
No one here seems to be talking about the decapitalization of equity partners to income partners. This has been going on for some time at MWE. Making it to to partner, whether equity or income, does not insure job security at MWE. Equity partners are also getting their units cut.
Stealth layoffs are still going on. Associates still being told it's "performance based" and getting 3 months severance. Associates from other offices being told that the directives are coming from Chicago to treat people like this.
WAKE UP HARVEY FREISHTAT!!! It is obvious that the economy is causing McDermott's woes and it is very below-the-belt to blame individual associates for something beyond their control. Is McDermott really that slimey? Why not take the high road and admit what we all know - that McDermott is affected by the economy just like so many other firms? You aren't fooling anyone.
Stealth layoffs are still going on. Associates still being told it's "performance based" and getting 3 months severance. Associates from other offices being told that the directives are coming from Chicago to treat people like this.
WAKE UP HARVEY FREISHTAT!!! It is obvious that the economy is causing McDermott's woes and it is very below-the-belt to blame individual associates for something beyond their control. Is McDermott really that slimey? Why not take the high road and admit what we all know - that McDermott is affected by the economy just like so many other firms? You aren't fooling anyone.
Stealth layoffs are still going on. Associates still being told it's "performance based" and getting 3 months severance. Associates from other offices being told that the directives are coming from Chicago to treat people like this.
WAKE UP HARVEY FREISHTAT!!! It is obvious that the economy is causing McDermott's woes and it is very below-the-belt to blame individual associates for something beyond their control. Is McDermott really that slimey? Why not take the high road and admit what we all know - that McDermott is affected by the economy just like so many other firms? You aren't fooling anyone.
Stealth layoffs are still going on. Associates still being told it's "performance based" and getting 3 months severance. Associates from other offices being told that the directives are coming from Chicago to treat people like this.
WAKE UP HARVEY FREISHTAT!!! It is obvious that the economy is causing McDermott's woes and it is very below-the-belt to blame individual associates for something beyond their control. Is McDermott really that slimey? Why not take the high road and admit what we all know - that McDermott is affected by the economy just like so many other firms? You aren't fooling anyone.
I was at MWE for years; left for many reasons and do not experience now what I did at MWE. I agree with all above comments: HF is unlike his predecessor; the economy has affected MWE; affairs still go on in the office I left, etc. Another notation is recruiting in the office where I was is done by someone who also recruits staff. The department keeps growing and now includes two attorneys, one of whom was moved from a group.
MWE changed its training ideas for attorneys years ago to "McDermott University." Outside training is discouraged. So, associates may be in webinars (if there's $ in the budget for the group) or attend in-house training by partners. Outside training depends on $. The ability of younger attorneys to meet current or future clients is curtailed, monitored or discouraged . How can anyone bring in new business and make partner if one cannot network with industry bigwigs?
Pro bono efforts work against attorneys: Too many billables and there's no time for pro bono. Do too much pro bono and it looks bad on your eval. Do way too many and you're out the door, even after being told you are great at doing pro bono work! You can't win.
Ethics violations are overcome by moving people around. It takes MWE forever to dismiss unethical attorneys (but staff are still assigned to them!), but if they produce billable clients who generate more work/matters, great. Routinely, ethics problems are ignored. There are examples of it on all levels. In my view, if staff catch on to all this, they either get moved around or are told to go. The billable client is more important; right? Charges against former partners made news before. (They forget: People take their cues from the top.)
BTW: Staff were told ABL.com viewing is being monitored by IT (how? Some were let go!) Staff eval forms are a convoluted 14 pages long, requiring self-evals, etc. Staff are evaluated 1-3 times yearly by paper and in numerous meetings. The entire merit and pay-for- performance/process/training mechanism is a/k/a ironically "A Community of Excellence" requiring staff on all levels to all take hours of pro development or computer-oriented classes whether they use or remember them or not. Turnover on all levels is unreal and managers seem to constantly be noting what is done incorrectly. It is rumored attorneys were told to note all staff inconsistencies for performance evals. The entire group of actions keeps HR/eval staffpersons on all levels very, very busy. Where before staff could have an unlimited number of attorneys eval them, that number was severely curtailed years ago. Were all staff layoffs based on the economy; fewer paying clients; $20,000,000 possible debt per a prior post or mismanagement: (Before there was an office in Russia -- since disbanded -- plus talk of opening an office in India of all places). Note, too, offices have moved over time. How wer those funded?
Women attorneys leave in droves. Sometimes partners move from other offices to fill up offices. I cannot count how many staff (recruited by the same person who recruits attorneys and summer associates in the office where I was) were fired over years.
I was often sick at MWE. I think it was from so much stress; never knowing when the other shoe was going to drop; what new problem I must solve; would I be subpoenaed? what new situation I must face; what new obstacles I must overcome, all just to get the job done. It seemed like the actual idea we were "all in this together;" working for some paying entities out there in the real world -- clients -- was beside the point. The "point" was actually to do the work for the least amount of $ or lowest common denominator or attorney/staff ratio. After changing my hours to accommodate the masses of Human Resource Department staff who never questioned anything Management said to do; after spending countless hours at doctors' offices for antibiotics; after using up leave; after being assigned six attorneys and knowing it would only get worse, me and my 401(k) left to work elsewhere while getting my grad degree (NOT in HRM).
Years ago I actually used to love working there and telling people where I worked. Now, thank goodness, I can refer to it as "my former firm."
188 - Looking forward to the day I can say the same. Not too many worthy jobs out there right now. 188 speaks the truth folks.