Nationwide Layoff Watch: Dickstein Shapiro
Dickstein Shapiro sent a memo around the firm yesterday that was the bearer of much bad news. Not only did it announce a salary freeze for 2009, it officially announced layoffs that were conducted on Tuesday. Full e-mail after the jump, but here’s an excerpt:
First, we have made a limited number of reductions in our associate/counsel ranks. Those affected by this decision were informed yesterday afternoon. These are purely economic decisions — this is a group of talented attorneys who have made valued contributions to our Firm.
Spokespeople at Dickstein have not yet confirmed the number laid off, but sources say it was 10 associates and counsel, all in the D.C. office. [Update:The firm now tells us the ten came from both the D.C. and New York offices.] One source says those laid off were told it was “economic-based” — as opposed to layoffs in 2008 that were ostensibly performance-based — but that the firm did take a look at their hours. The corporate group was hardest hit.
One source says Dickstein associates were “pissed.” The email went around at noon yesterday and “glibly” announced layoffs and the salary freeze. Associates would have preferred a firm-wide meeting to announce the news. They were also annoyed to get the news of the freeze 36 hours before their first 2009 paycheck was to arrive (at 12:01 a.m. tonight).
Additional news about Dickstein is pouring into our inbox. One tipster reports overhearing a partner voice concern about Bernard Madoff paying his legal fees and the firm’s ability to take on new associates in 2009.
More after the jump.
So, to sum up: this week, Dickstein (1) laid off 10 people and (2) froze salaries at 2008 levels. One tipster suggests this is not the end of the bad news:
A senior partner was screaming early this morning around 1 a.m. with Ira (lawyer working on the Bernie Madoff case) [Ed. Note: That would be Ira “Ike” Sorkin] looking on. I sat outside the office and listened. This is when it was heard “we’re not going to be able to afford the new associates.” I think he was talking about making offers for potential ‘09 summer associates. I then heard them talk about how no one could pay Madoff’s legal fees and Ira could be spending his time elsewhere.
All speculation and gossip of course, but that’s why we call ourselves “A Legal Tabloid.”
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO BONUS AND LAYOFF FIRM-WIDE E-MAIL
From: Nannes, Michael
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:32 AM
To: ALL Associates; ALL Counsel
Subject: Message to Associates and Counsel
Over the course of the past year, we have seen many serious changes to the world economy with resulting impacts on our industry. We had a solid year in 2008, but we have to plan for the future based on the current economy to ensure that the Firm continues to remain financially strong. To that end, I must report that we recently made two difficult decisions.
First, we have made a limited number of reductions in our associate/counsel ranks. Those affected by this decision were informed yesterday afternoon. These are purely economic decisions—this is a group of talented attorneys who have made valued contributions to our Firm.
Second, consistent with our efforts to be fiscally prudent as we weather the current economic conditions, there will be no increase in associate salaries this year. This means that your 2009 salary will remain at its 2008 level.
We regret taking these actions, but our Firm, like many others, is not immune to the economic pressures affecting both our clients and the business interests of the Firm. We believe that these actions, along with our prudent financial practices, the continued strategic growth of our business, and our commitment to our core values, our clients and each other, will ensure the Firm remains successful in the years ahead.
I met with the Associate Partner Liaison Committee yesterday afternoon to inform them that these actions had been taken. Should you have questions, my door is open to you or you may speak with any APLC representative.




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LAST!!!
#1 = Jet Travolta
Suck my Dickstein
Suck my Dickstein
If Madoff was their client (was he? I've not seen reported who his business lawyers are/were) they have a lot more to worry about than whether he pays his fees!
2 - hope you rot in hell.
Continue to suck my Dickstein
If Madoff was their client (was he? I've not seen reported who his business lawyers are/were) they have a lot more to worry about than whether he pays his fees!
TTT. Next post, please.
Oh my lord, WHEN will all this bad news end????
#2 = racist
Xenu to 190!
Watch this CBS news video to see the nature of Jews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA
The Pope calls Gaza a concentration camp. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL8378047
I'm sure such despicable behavior exists not just in Gaza, but in your dealings with them at your law firm. Jews are the same filthy scum they've been for thousands of years. Be very wary in your dealings with them.
Points to any firm that at least admits they are making ECONOMIC layoffs.
As a potential employer, these firms are more to be trusted than firms that take the shady stealth/merit layoffs route.
SkaddenDC to announce something today.
First Jerry Oshinksy leaves, and brings no partners or associates with him to his new firm. Now salary freeze and lay offs. This TTT probably is a top seed on Citi's watch list of firms due to fail in 2009. Thank god I turned down my offer and will be summering at a firm that will exist after my graduation.
As an associate at Dickstein Shapiro, all I can say is...
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCAIN!
Elie, how can you NOT delete comment 13?
13 = angry Arab.
13, I got a racist joke for you.
Q: How does an Afghan Muslim play polo?
A: By kicking around the head of a dead goat.
Oh wait, this is actually their national sport in real life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi
Muslims = TTT
16 - jinx yourself much?
Just cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
- Patrick Bateman
18 - In a way, it is good that so many anti-Israeli, or anti-Gaza invation types have crossed the line into generalized anti-Jewishness openly (not all of course, but some).
It shows that they really aren't weighing pros and cons in a given situation, and are instead reacting in a knee-jerk fashion to whatever is in that week's headlines wrt the Middle East.
Hey, HALBERSTAM!
Anyone know the class years of The Departed?
21 is killing ITTT!!
Seriously, get these anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments off this post, ATL editors. WTF. How about a flag feature??
I've never heard of this firm - they def don't recruit at CleMarsh, like the big boys (Jones Day, Benesh, Hopkins McDonald)
I agree with the comment after 20.
It was mildly amusing when people would ironically call random posts racism / racists. I'm really disgusted by these most recent ones (the Salary Freeze article was particularly ridiculous), and I don't understand why these offensive and OFF-TOPIC posts aren't getting deleted.
I just did coke on a Thursday.
Hey 13, Screw the Vatican. They're a bunch of pedophiles as are all catholics.
32 = Win
Please delete comment #13.
Why do muslims look at me funny when I NAIL SHEEP in my cubicle? Its my sheep, my cubicle, there should be no problem.
Guys in my frat would suck my Dickstein all the time, it was no big deal
31 = Zionist.
13,
The true nature of Jews is that they have big noses, funny accents, use more words than necessary to express concepts, are tight with money, are very intelligent, have no foreskins, and can kick your Muslim ass back into the Stone Age (not that you ever progressed that much anyway). And I hope they do. Jews ftw.
Out of my 33 OCI interviews, the interviewer from Dickstein was by far the rudest/weirdest/most awkward dude.
31 is a racist pig!
31 is a racist pig!
I think #40 is either Irish or Samoan.
23 = Comment of the day so far. Nicely done.
Sheep nailing is apparently the new killing it.
Ignore 13, clearly somebody who is just trolling looking to piss off a few people.
Please don't feed the trolls.
What group(s) got hit? Have the affected individuals been purged from the website yet?
Soylent Green is made out of MORMONS!!
Why the F**K can't I get a decent Muffaletta in Manhattan? Culinary capital of the world my ass.
13 = Bernie Madoff stuck in his apartment (what a crazy nutter)
I never thought sheep-related comments would form the vanguard of civility on this blog. Seriously, clean this thing up.
49 = strict constructionist
Please cease and desist all comments about Mormons.
COMMENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR.
SKADDEN TO 190!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss the GULC.
I wanna get me a CWT '05 NY female associate - I hear they are SUPER HORNY!!
asdfasdf awefasdf hdfjh56
No complaints though about the anti-Catholic remark by 33--of course.
Post 13 is hate speach. Please remove.
Thank you
Hey guys, it's me, Elie. Sorry about 59 -- that was me. I dropped a glob of Italian Beef on the keyboard and was scrambling to get it off.
- Elie (59)
Whoever the associate tipster is about the 1:00 am discussion could easily be outed (if he or she was really there and the whole story about Madoff is not made up). I'm sure the associate would be added to the layoff list if that happens.
I would like to enter a complaint about the anti-catholic remark by 33.
Paul Reubens
I find comments about CWT NY 05 female associates to be offensive.
well played 23, but I still have the res at Dorsia tomorrow night. Sorry to cancel on squash.
62 - You got a LOL out of me. Well played.
What is a CWT NY 05 female associate and how do I get in on whatever it is?
Lonely Thelen
5 - Madoff didn't need any business lawyers, because he didn't actually have a business.
HTH.
64. Gerald Francis Ridsdale approves.
MODERATOR REMOVED BY COMMENT.
I saw a CWT NY 05 female associate at a Donkey Show once.
Please stop using the word "much" as a sarcastic follow-on. Ex: "Angry much?"
It's annoying, played out and not clever in the least.
70. Oliver O'Grady approves.
The moderator makes me more nervous than that woman with the burka that has been following me everywhere for the past week.
74. Sean Fortune approves.
SHEEP NAILING, much?
75. John Geoghan approves.
Can I still comment about Dickstein, or should I wait for a post about nailing angry muslim catholic sheep to discuss law firm layoffs?
77. Theodore Llanos approves.
79. Michael Charles Glennon approves.
78, no. Either make a racist comment about Scientologists or go to Fashionista.
80. Siegfried F. Widera approves.
82. Eleuterio "Al" Ramos approves.
ummmmm......
Great Post Kash. Good Job Keeping the Muslim Post
going.
Great Post Kash. Good Job Keeping the Muslim Post
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most annoying post ever.
hey morons,
i thought there were actual lawyers here. People who would know that LAWYERS GET PAID FIRST. And you are fools if you think Madoff didn't put up a big dollar retainer.
As for Ira, yeah I'm sure working on the biggest case of his career is making him angry. How many other times has he been mentioned and interviewed in every major paper across the nation, or maybe even the globe. Working on the biggest case around right now is a bad thing? Please. Enough with the verbal diarrhea
This Blog needs an ENEMA!
If we allow layoffs, the terrorist win. Why do they hate our freedoms?
A Mormon just kicked me in the jimmy.
anyone who thinks the firms who are laying people off and/or freezing salaries are fiscally responsible or good businesses is an idiot. They are doing it because they were not fiscally responsible last year or the year before or the year before that, and now they're in trouble. It's the firms who have no need to cut salaries or associates who are fiscally responsible.
Why do the muslims and turks hate us so much? Or do they just want our shaved women?
13 is on point about gaza...but chill about the comments against all jews.
~An American Pali Muslim
Ira Sorkin of Dickstein's NY office is one of Madoff's criminal defense attorneys. He probably thought it was good PR for the firm to take the case. Right now, the firm is probably concerned that the representation will cost them business down the road, and in addition, Madoff (after the Government takes all of his assets) will have no money to pay them.
40 -
Hahahahah. I'd be willing to bet serious cash that you are just a loser, TTT student who got rejected by Dickstein and is now trying to get back at them. Anyone who feels the need to SAY they got 33 OCI interviews obviously DIDN'T. Insecure much? Maybe you should see a therapist, instead of trying to compensate by posting lame, useless, unfunny comments. OH, and if you were actually interviewed by Dickstein, it would have been by 2 people, not 1.
95. You know zero concerning how criminal defense firms get paid.
Mormons are worse than Jews.
91 - you probably deserved it
Whaaaaaaaaaaa, moderator, moderator! Clean up the comments. Whaaaaaaaaaaa.
What a whining little bitch you must be.
I can't believe people are still pissed about salary freezes when their firm is laying people off. Like no one saw freezes coming before the 11th hour announcement?
Can't anyone help out 49? Christ!
dicksTTTEin
Be glad that they are doing this NOW (that is, being fiscally prudent), and staving off major financial problems. I know its not much comfort to them, but at least its only 10 people. Better than having salaries go up as usual and laying off more.
96-
it was 2 people; one of them was nice and outgoing, and the other was a totally awkward assclown
And I did get 33 OCI interviews
And I got several offers from much higher-ranked firms than Dickstein that AREN'T laying people off or freezing salaries
so BIIIIIIIITE MEEEEEE
-40
13- At least Israel doesn't deliberately target civilians.
The people of Gaza are reaping the consequences of voting for Hamas.
(just as the American people are reaping the economic consequences of voting 1.5X for that idiot bush)
"Associates would have preferred a firm-wide meeting to announce the news."
Oh MY GOD. Whaaa!!! Nannes, please hold my hand! Nannes, tuck me in! BOO HOO!!!
What a bunch of children. And, that was probably the same dumb-shit who sent that email into this trash gossip rag. Guess who's going to be "laid-off" next?!! I hope it was worth it, asshole!
Well, it's about time dicksTTTein was ouTTTed. It's been conducting layoffs for months. Too bad those who were laid off late last year were given the "performance-based" hooha. What a bad joke this firm is!
Paul Hastings
96:
Are you saying your firm recruits TTT losers? No wonder you are on the verge of dissolution
-CleMarsh 2L
Suck it.
Just did coke on a Thursday.
AGAIN.
Cahill is laying off associates today.
Cahill is laying off associates today.
wtf is CleMarsh?
114-
CleMarsh is the nickname for Cleveland State's law school, which is technically called Cleveland-Marshall Colelge of Law. And I was just saying, I go to CleMarsh and even I did better than Dickstttein Shapiro
Everyone knows who CleMarsh is, he is ReRun's retarded brother.
Mark Wahlberg
49: Because there's no Central Grocery there.
dickstein is definitely NOT done with layoffs and yet comically they continue to hire people. stay away from this firm!
115. Hold on... Cleveland is a state?
119-
No, idiot, Cleveland the city, the capital of Ohio. Cleveland State is the law school there, where i'm a 2L.
120. Hold on, Ohio is a state?
120: I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Duh.
time to rent a bus bench in Charlotte.
Charlotte to 1-800-ABOGADOS!
122-
Oh, you're probably right. Oops. It was just too easy a target to pass up - I mean, it doesn't take a Harvard 2L to know that Cleveland is a capital city, not a state of the union. Or, one of the 'several states', as John Marshall (my law school's namesake) would put it.
Apparently it does take a Harvard 2L to point out that Ohio's capital is Columbus (or a public school 3rd grader).
Dickstein will probably rescind offers for class of 2009 soon.
125. Ouch.
darn, 125 beat me to it.
What is an "Associate Partner Liaison Committee"?
125: I think I love you.
Jeff Foxworthy
125-
Ach, you're right (wikipedia-d that bitch). Damn. Well, you can't blame me, I'm actually form Indiana, just go to law school at CleMarsh. And anyway, my original point is that Dicstein Shapiro is a TTT!
125 - I think I love you too, so what am I so afraid of? I'm afraid that I'm not sure of a love there is no cure for.
Keith Partridge
125-Ohio's capital could be a public school third grader?
Somebody who goes to Fucking Cleveland State Law School, a TTT school if there ever was one, calls DS a TTT firm...
Talk about the pot and the fucking kettle.
Let me be the first to predict that 120 will rise to the very top of the legal profession.
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Where is my dearly beloved Count Layoffula keeping himself these days? I miss him.
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First off, it's known as Cleveland-Marshall, or CleMarsh for short.
Second, Dickstein Shapiro is a TTT firm - I got offer from must more prestigious firms - Jonesday, Benesh, and McDonald Hopkins. Although I haven't decided which offer to take yet- I purposely postponed the call-me-back visits until after the semester. They want to call me into the office to meet the folks I will be working with, potentially. So I'll schedule those and choose and offer.
but anyways, don't be a hater, be an appreciator
135: I've got a fifty right here that says you are the first and only person to make that prediction. Any takers?
Oh yea, and I forgot to add, Dicstein is a TTT because they layoff and freeze salaries. Jonesday and Benesh have NOT done that, suckaz
134. Son, put down that bottle of Old Grandad.
What are Benesh and McDonald Hopkins?
142-
Benesh and McD Hops are GREAT law firms in Cleveland, jackass. I will be working at one of them! Just have to go on the call-me-backs
What is a call-me-back? Are you referring to a call-back? You sure you don't work in the mailroom somewhere?
134 --
Holy crap!! Please don't come to Jones Day.
What is a call-me-back? Do you mean a call-back? Are you sure you do not work in the mailroom somewhere?
146-
Oh, I guess at your school they call them call-backs. At CleMarsh, they're call-me-backs. Anyway, the way it works it that the firm comes to campus, interviews you for about 20 minutes, and then you either get and offer or get dung (you get got, as they say in the hood). Anyway, if you get the offer, the firm calls you to schedule a call-me-back, where you go into the firm's office to meet with your new colleagues so you can decide if you want to work there. I didn't want to schedule my call-me-backs in the middle of the semester, so I waited until winter break. I've had a hard time reaching the recruiting people at the three firms that gave me offers (Jonesday, Benesh, McD-Hops) - everyone must still be on vaca. But the point is, you go on the call-me-back, and then decide where to work.
143. Son, put down that hash pipe...........
"CleMarsh" I heard that Jones Day AND Benesh recinded all of their offers for 09' summers...have you been in contact with that firm recently?
143, I usually don't get into law firm snobbery. But I had to respond to your outlandish comment.
Dickstein, while not a major player, is certainly a respectable biglaw firm. In other words, it's the type of firm that a, say, Sull Crom transplant goes to after year 7 to maybe make counsel (i.e., it's smaller pond).
Whatever its standing among biglaw firms, I can assure you one thing about Dickstein: it is most certainly LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS more "prestigious" than Benesh and McD Hops, whatever they are.
Dickstein is at least a v100 firm, right? Benesh? In Cleveland? Is that some sort of slip and fall firm? Kill me now! What's "market" pay in Cleveland anyway? 85k?
Kindly take your comments to belowthelaw.com, where midlaw regionals like Benesh and McD Hops are hot topics.
143. They have got to be; after all, they are located in the capital of the great state of Ohio.
So somebody named Banesh works at McDonald's? wow, that is something.
143, 150 here again. McD Hops sounds like collaboration between McDonald's and Nike.
See here: http://i9.tinypic.com/43xbdkk.jpg
149-
The most certainly did not rescind offers; I have classmates who are going to Jonesday and their offers are still good; Benesh and McD-Hops are more selective than Jonesday, so I don't know of any classmates who got offers there in the first place - but as soon as I reach teh recruiting girl I will find out
150-
Trust me, any firm with teh name Dick in it is a TTT, especially if it lays off people.
As for Benesh and McD-Hops:
They both have well over 100 lawyers and starting salary is $120k. Do your research
Dickstein has some amazing people and bizarrely the firm as a whole is reasonably doing well. The DC-based management is notoriously cheap and they have repeatedly made stupid decisions and driven talented people from their corporate practice.
This is actually the second-wave at Dickstein. A bunch more people were let-go last fall. The two most important antitrust partners are leaving to start their own firm this spring. Looks bad.
Notes to future 2L frat studs who want to go on ATL and boast about your callbacks before you've got offers.
People at those firms read ATL. If you go to a school like CleMarsh, and you've purposely put off your interviews until Spring, you're probably the only such candidate in their pool.
Which means we can pretty easily figure out who you are. You may not find your "call me back" quite as rote and enjoyable as you had imagined.
120k!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can retire now. You asked for it 154. Now the mailrooms (where work) at Benesh and McD-Hops are going to be flooded by all the biglaw associates and top 14 law students who will be applying to Benesh and McD-Hops. You asked for it!
No, in all seriousness, I'd be willing to bet 1/100 of my bonus this year that with the salary compression at Benesh and McD-Hops, only a few of the most senior associates make over 160k per year, including bonus.
Stub years at Dickstein are making that, and despite the funny name of their firm, more people will laugh when you admit that you work at Benesh and McD-Hops!! HAHAHAHA
120k!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIEEEEE
I can retire now. You asked for it 154. Now the mailrooms (where work) at Benesh and McD-Hops are going to be flooded by all the biglaw associates and top 14 law students who will be applying to Benesh and McD-Hops. You asked for it!
No, in all seriousness, I'd be willing to bet 1/100 of my bonus this year that with the salary compression at Benesh and McD-Hops, only a few of the most senior associates make over 160k per year, including bonus.
Stub years at Dickstein are making that, and despite the funny name of their firm, more people will laugh when you admit that you work at Benesh and McD-Hops!! HAHAHAHA
157-
I don't understand, what can they do? I already have the offer in hand! And besides, many CleMarsh students get offers from Jonesday. It's a TTT (totally terrific team)!
Question to 157: why on earth would you want to call back a functional illiterate? Perhaps you should consider recruiting at T250 schools.
This is actually the second-wave at Dickstein. A bunch more people were let-go last fall. The two most important antitrust partners are leaving to start their own firm this spring. Looks bad.
159-
don't be an idiot. I will make partner at Benesh or McD-Hops, while you will be a doc review jerk-off at Dick-my-Stein for the rest of your sorry ass life.
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160--
Jones Day = TTT = "totally terrific team" = GMAFB
Dickstein Shapiro is a horrible place to work and one should think very heavily about working there or continuing to work there. Your days will mainly be spent doing document review or other trivial tasks that require little to no skill whatsoever. After a few years with a firm like this, you will be unmarketable with no actual legal experience. The majority of litigation work at the firm (the sustentative part: briefs, depos, etc.) is done by partners and very senior level associates, none of which have any desire to train or mentor junior associates. Your only chance at real legal work is to do pro-bono, and even then, you will have little support. I consider the firm to be a legal recruiter’s nirvana, in the sense that a recruiter can place someone at Dickstein, wait a year, and when the associate realizes what a bad decision he made, the recruiter can sweep back in and place him out of the firm. In any event, top talent should look elsewhere. I feel worst for those associates that spend their first few years with the firm before they realize they have been sold a bag of goods.
Dickstein Shapiro is a horrible place to work and one should think very heavily about working there or continuing to work there. Your days will mainly be spent doing document review or other trivial tasks that require little to no skill whatsoever. After a few years with a firm like this, you will be unmarketable with no actual legal experience. The majority of litigation work at the firm (the sustentative part: briefs, depos, etc.) is done by partners and very senior level associates, none of which have any desire to train or mentor junior associates. Your only chance at real legal work is to do pro-bono, and even then, you will have little support. I consider the firm to be a legal recruiter’s nirvana, in the sense that a recruiter can place someone at Dickstein, wait a year, and when the associate realizes what a bad decision he made, the recruiter can sweep back in and place him out of the firm. In any event, top talent should look elsewhere. I feel worst for those associates that spend their first few years with the firm before they realize they have been sold a bag of goods.
Dickstein Shapiro is a horrible place to work and one should think very heavily about working there or continuing to work there. Your days will mainly be spent doing document review or other trivial tasks that require little to no skill whatsoever. After a few years with a firm like this, you will be unmarketable with no actual legal experience. The majority of litigation work at the firm (the sustentative part: briefs, depos, etc.) is done by partners and very senior level associates, none of which have any desire to train or mentor junior associates. Your only chance at real legal work is to do pro-bono, and even then, you will have little support. I consider the firm to be a legal recruiter’s nirvana, in the sense that a recruiter can place someone at Dickstein, wait a year, and when the associate realizes what a bad decision he made, the recruiter can sweep back in and place him out of the firm. In any event, top talent should look elsewhere. I feel worst for those associates that spend their first few years with the firm before they realize they have been sold a bag of goods.
163, 159 here. Trust me: I don't work at DS. My firm is ranked, say, 50-60 slots higher on the vault 100. But I just think it's laughable that you think a few Cleveland regional steamers are in the same league as DS or JD.
Is this a hoax? If so, you need to be nominated as poster of the year. If not... hahahahaha!
166, sounds a lot like a lot of DC firms where partners have relatively low billing rates.
Dickstein Shapiro is a horrible place to work and one should think very heavily about working there or continuing to work there. Your days will mainly be spent doing document review or other trivial tasks that require little to no skill whatsoever. After a few years with a firm like this, you will be unmarketable with no actual legal experience. The majority of litigation work at the firm (the sustentative part: briefs, depos, etc.) is done by partners and very senior level associates, none of which have any desire to train or mentor junior associates. Your only chance at real legal work is to do pro-bono, and even then, you will have little support. I consider the firm to be a legal recruiter’s nirvana, in the sense that a recruiter can place someone at Dickstein, wait a year, and when the associate realizes what a bad decision he made, the recruiter can sweep back in and place him out of the firm. In any event, top talent should look elsewhere. I feel worst for those associates that spend their first few years with the firm before they realize they have been sold a bag of goods.
Hey #166-168, 171. You must be one of the ten! You didn't have to tell us four times. Good luck finding a job out there! hah! loser
166-168, 171 - sorry, didn't mean to post that so many times. Web locked up from so many people surfing this site. :(
166-68. 171 - How is this different from every firm ever?
Jerry Oshinsky--Gone. Ken Adams--Gone. Bruce Holcomb-Gone. Is anyone left bringing in business? Soon Dickstein will be happy to be lumped in with Benesh or McD-Hops.
175-- don't forget to add the DC securities group to the GONE list.
Benesh and McD-Hops to 190k baby!!!
-CleMarsh 2L
174 - Some firms actually do let associates do more substantive work because the partners are actually busy and expensive. (not the pp)
http://www.beneschlaw.com/
http://www.mcdonaldhopkins.com/
both firms >>>> Dickstttein Shapiro
174 - Some firms actually do let associates do more substantive work because the partners are actually busy and expensive. (not the pp)
First to say...
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I heard from an inside source that the total number of associates let go was more in the range of 20-30. Also heard that the ones that didn't let go, wish they had.
About this Madoff payment thing. The firm is on retainer for 500,000. It would take a couple more months to clear that benchmark.
184 - the court would take additional money out of the assets seized anyway.
not if all the money went to the victims!
131 -- You're a dingleberry.
I wish ATL would stop posting salary freezes. Posting it helps assuage firm's fears about doing them. ATL was great in terms of shaming firms to $160,000 and to pay special bonuses. My fear is now they may be helping firms pay associates less.
this is a ridiculous pst. i work at career services at cardozo and can tell you we have received no information about dickstein recinding offers. check your sources! we have heard however that dickstein is on the brink of bankruptcy.
this is a ridiculous pst. i work at career services at cardozo and can tell you we have received no information about dickstein recinding offers. check your sources! we have heard however that dickstein is on the brink of bankruptcy.
this is a ridiculous post. i work at career services at cardozo and can tell you we have received no information about dickstein recinding offers. check your sources! we have heard however that dickstein is on the brink of bankruptcy.
189-191-
How many of your students have jobs?
192 - 3 offers
193-
Sorry, I meant, overall, how many Cardozo students got BigLaw offers?
thank you
something is really wrong there. i have heard that the actual management of the firm is done out of d.c., not new york, and that it has caused problems in the past. we know the firm is closely allied with republicans so maybe that has something to do it. reputationally, being allied with madoff and neoconservatives or even israel at this point is bound to cause some sort of a problem.
195:
That's kind of a crackpot theory, don't you think?
196: Why are they firing 10% of their employees and freezing salaries? Why are they talking about not letting in associates? Why are three of the best lawyers in the business fleeing the firm. All this in 3 or 4 months! Something is definitely amiss.
It's a decline in business. They are a "people" firm with connections and therefore reputation matters more than say..being a skadden with a jpmorgan account.
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For the same reason that many, many other firms are doing so and will continue to do so: This is the Depression revisited. Banks aren't lending, clients have no money, lawyers have less work. It's as simple as that.
198 - Yeah but they arent bank dependent. LIke i said their business comes from their extraordinary connections to individuals....as opposed to large banks or large firms.
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perhaps you're right; I guess it will all come out in the wash if the firm goes belly up
they do have a good bankruptcy practice though, and are experts on creditors rights. so business SHOULD be good. but it's not? something shady probably is happening.
there is no way they will go bankrupt.
THIS IS SO FUNNY - IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING OF THIS WHOLE RECESSION. WE HAVENT EVEN SEEN HALF OF THE CORPORATE DEFAULTS THAT ARE EXPECTED. GET READY FOR A WILD RIDE. GET READY FOR THE FIGHT OF YOUR LIVES.
Dickstein is not going bankrupt -- they have essentially no debt (unlike other firms).
Dickstein is done. It's not a matter of going bankrupt per se. If partners keep leaving and there's less and less business, the firm will not be able to pay its bills. At that point the partners can decide either to take out loans to pay the bills or to dissolve. A follow-up story would be good.
To: Mr. Nannes
The DS Partner that is currently the BF of Hostess of...Radio...Only Smarter...
Let HIM go work for HER
He writes....."I'm a veteran of Washington, politics, the scene of DC, but also a total apolitical in loving the game. I'd rather spend time focused on a friend/relationship than do the outward back-slap party scene. I'm settled and becoming more and more clear about what's important to me. Unfortunately it's taken a long time to come clear - so I guess you can say i'm 'in touch with my softer, emotional side' and find the business side I succeed in spite of my disdain for the hustle of DC".
The issue with Madoff is that the court can claw back the legal fees if it determines they were earned as part of the fraud - so that $500,000 retainer better be used wisely. Otherwise, there will be no more $$$ to pay this crook's legal fees. I doubt his friends will be lining up to help him pay for counsel.
ambush
Dickstein is not going bankruptcy/dissolving/etc - they have no debt, and they still have many partners with books of business. Yes, freezing salaries and layoffs are not good, but they are not alone in taking these steps (and 10 layoffs from a 450 lawyer firm is not "ten percent" - it is not even ten percent of the associates).
I heard from people inside the firm that more partners are scheduled to announce there leave in the coming months and that attorney's are scrambling to find new firm jobs. What is all the fuss about Dickstein for anyway, this firm hasn't gotten any tier talent in years. My girlfriend works there, and she's not impressed with the level of her colleagues. She describes it as a place for third tier law students with semi-ok grades to get jobs.
Dickstein hires people with sub-3.0 GPAs. That says it all.
I've been working in Dickstein's insurance practice in DC for the past two years, and in that time I have developed a drinking problem, gained 40 lbs, my wife left me, and I consider jumping through my office window on a daily basis. How is it that I wasn't one of the losers to get laid off. I actually wish they would just lay me off, and put me out of my misery.
209--plus the 30 or so associates from the fall, and a few unadmitted lawyers, its 10%
209-- was probably posted by some righteous person in Dickstein's HR department. LOL!
Any updated infornation on the layoffs at Dickstein?
The count is not up to date, they have laid off more.
No they have not fired anyone else
216 - Nope, no more layoffs yet
210 -- your girlfriend is a third tier law grad with okay grades?
210 -- your girlfriend is a third tier law grad with okay grades?
as of what day? i hear they are laying off support staff in various departments.