Ponzi Poe dinged @1

TYPO!

Huh? LESS than 1-3 years of experience?

I am looking for a place to PARK my POE!!

I'm assuming the newer attorneys will receive the shorter severance periods, which seems cruel given that they'll have the hardest time getting new jobs.

4 -- That means they fired stub first-years that started this past fall. Thus having "less than 1 year" of experience.

I'm assuming the newer attorneys will receive the shorter severance periods, which seems cruel given that they'll have the hardest time getting new jobs.

My stub is very experienced.

Isn't Parker Poe that hot blond from the 40 Year-Old Virgin who gets it on with her shower head?

layoff pool: betting on the biglaw layoffs every week!

this week is predicted to 35, with an over/under of 5.

I heard that it was actually first through sixth year associates and special counsel actually. They went some time after the banks tanked in Charlotte before making any layoffs. Not bad for a regional firm. Good luck to those let go. Its definitely rough out here.

Parker Poe may have laid off staff but she was brilliant in Best in Show.

It said "[t]he attorneys had less-than-one to 3 years of experience with our firm," which doesn't mean these people were fresh out of law school, but could have been fresh out of another firm (i.e. laterals) an only have been w/ Parker Poe for less than a year.

"But these are the first layoffs at Parker Poe in response to the globally financial crisis"

I'm starting to get the feeling that Mystal got the Billy Madison treatment when he was in grade school.

Wow. "Separated"? Are you kidding me? Bwahaha wow. That's awful. Just wow, what kind of firm do you run? Have the decency to say "Let go" or really, anything else. I have never ever heard of this "Separated" nonsense, and this whole talking like Yoda thing?

T-T-T

This would never happen in Houston. Thank god I live in Dallas.

4's point was it should be fewer than one, not less.

Also, another typo by Elie: "At least they waited until after the holidays before the "separated" people from gainful employment." should be "they" after before, not "the"...

AIR RAID

-Parker Poe

oh Lenore
sweet Lenore
why is that partner always knocking on my chamber door?

Edgar Allen Parker Poe

it is parker posey and she is still looking for her dog's busy bee.

Fail 13 and 19, the actress is Parker Posey.

Dirty SOUTH, represent!

22-FAIL, you take yourself way too seriously.

Who cares? You're all parker posers. STFU

Parker Poe Lewis Can't Lose

The crisis is globally financial? As opposed to locally financial? Regionally financial?

Lame.

A couple were definitely fresh out of law school and 6 months on the job.

Watch this CBS news video to see the nature of Jews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA

The Pope calls Gaza a concentration camp. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL8378047

Jews have a reputation which precedes them, one established through thousands of years of such despicable behavior. This despicable behavior exists not just in Gaza, but in your dealings with them at your law firm.

17 You have to live with Bush, so don't celebrate.

Can we pls get some indication of V100 or Amlaw200 status when you post bad news about these firms? I know an avalanche of bad news makes for sensational news and page hits but at least provide some context as to the size and importance of these firms. I really don't care if The Law Offices of John Smith laid off a secretary.

#29 - Antisemitic jerk. I'm embarrassed to read publications or be in the same profession as someone with your hatred and ignorance.

You're not making any headway here Islamo-Imperialist terrorist lunatics.

Elie/Lat, can't you ban these morons who keep coming here and posting anti-semitic crap every day?

I'm far from broke, got nuff bread, And mad Poes, ask beavis I get nuttin butt-head

29, name a time and place so I can kock the @$$# out of you.

Ooops. Meant "kick." I guess the typos on this website are contageous.
-35

You're not making any headway here Islamo-Imperialist terrorist lunatics.

Elie/Lat, can't you ban these morons like 29 who have started coming here and posting anti-semitic crap every day?

Anyone know which ofices?

Confirmed from the spouse of a Parker Poe attorney (that did not get laid off) that there were at least 30 total (including staff) laid off, everyone was blind-sided by the layoffs and that 2 months severance is what everyone got. They held a firmwide meeting yesterday evening after the layoffs and the managing partner read a sheet explaining why nobody should worry, that Parker Poe is still doing really well and the reason for the "right-sizing". Seems inconsistent. Suddenly the banks seem like a safe haven.

Confirmed from the spouse of a Parker Poe attorney (that did not get laid off) that there were at least 30 total (including staff) laid off, everyone was blind-sided by the layoffs and that 2 months severance is what everyone got. They held a firmwide meeting yesterday evening after the layoffs and the managing partner read a sheet explaining why nobody should worry, that Parker Poe is still doing really well and the reason for the "right-sizing". Seems inconsistent. Suddenly the banks seem like a safe haven.

Did Baker NY Layoff ten yesterday?

I was just laid off by The Law Offices of John Smith.

I blame Muslim militants.

36. You meant Kike, right?

22 is too anal to have a sense of humor.

I can handle sheep jokes and even butt cheeks, but Abu the anti-Semite needs to be banned. This is a law website. Most of us either are Jewish or Jew-tolerant.

Proud Infidel

I think the crazy anti-semitic guy scared away the butt cheeks poster.

I think the crazy anti-semitic guy scared away the butt cheeks poster.

47. They are one and the same.

Proskauer Rose is not potentially... they HAVE laid off first years

Yeah, I could handle the butt jokes and just about everything else, but ATL is about to lose me as a reader if they don't ban the anti-semitic Islamic extremists who seem to have taken over.

I don't want to read this crap day after day and will find another site that WILL ban them by IP address or ISP. (At the same time, perhaps Dept. of Homeland Security would be interested to know the IP addresses of the terrorism supporters repeatedly posting this stuff?)

BITCH SPREAD DEM FLUFFY BUTTCHEEKS SO I CAN SEE DEM WOOLLY INSIDES!

Parker Poe laid off several lateral attorneys in the 2000 downturn as well. It's their SOP -- hit laterals first. The regional firms in Charlotte have fared much better than the carpetbaggers because the carpetbaggers had ONLY bank business in Charlotte. The regional firms have a broader practice and are/were able to weather the storm a bit better.

50, see 51.

I see 51, and I raise you 45.

I don't work there, but I can tell you there are a lot of great people at Parker Poe. This is tough to see for us regional folks. Best of luck to the people laid off.

50, fail. Antisemitism, while deplorable, =/= terrorism.

45 - I love how you use Abu and then take offense at the other idiot's prejudiced comments. Same difference really.

45 - I love how you use Abu and then take offense at the other idiot's prejudiced comments. Same difference really.

Canadians = terrorists
Muslims = cuddly

56, double fail, find the word terrorist in the post you're ostensibly responding to. Dumbass.

60. Best. Post. Ever.

61, I didn't say it did. The word "terrorism," which I did use, does appear.

Triple fail.

Love, 56.

For a mere 2 cents a post, I will remove all anti-Jewish hate postings; and for a mere 1 cent per post bonus, all brackish attorney postings as well.

I'll be rich beyond my wildest high school graduate 35-year now laid-off secretary aspirations. A new cottage industry, requiring only intelligence.

Do I need a journalism degree? Or will time served be okay?

I think the moderator stealth removed #60, ninja style, so we know it was not Elie. He couldn't sneak up on a dead hippo.

For a mere 2 cents a post, I will remove all anti-Jewish hate postings; and for a mere 1 cent per post bonus, all brackish attorney postings as well.

I'll be rich beyond my wildest high school graduate 35-year now laid-off secretary aspirations. A new cottage industry, requiring only intelligence.

Do I need a journalism degree? Or will time served here be okay?

56/63, since you admit you were able to read post #50, are you aware of the difference between "terrorism"/terrorists and "terrorism supporters"?

63, Fair enough, I missed that, but it doesn't say terrorism in a vacuum either - it says terrorism supporters. Are you seriously arguing that Islamic extremist anti-semites who take the trouble to go to random web sites and post hate are not terrorism supporters by and large? 'Cause I've never heard or read a single one who wasn't arguing justification for Hamas and other terrorist organizations.

63, Fair enough, I missed that, but it doesn't say terrorism in a vacuum either - it says terrorism supporters. Are you seriously arguing that Islamic extremist anti-semites who take the trouble to go to random web sites and post hate are not terrorism supporters by and large? 'Cause I've never heard or read a single one who wasn't arguing justification for Hamas and other terrorist organizations.

52 - Love it. If only those carpetbaggers would learn......

Cahill is laying off associates today.

I've heard that Baker & McKenzie laid off several associates yesterday (at least in New York), including first-year associates who just began a few months ago.

68/69-

All that I'm saying is that it's possible to hate a group without wanting to see them hurt/killed/wiped off the map.

Again, I'm not endorsing antisemitism (indeed, I think it's deplorable), but the link from antisemitism to support of terrorism seems a bit tenuous.

-56/63

72. True.

Yet another reason why RBH is the only firm in Charlotte worth working for these days. I don't know how the layoffs were "unexpected" when they no-offered a ton of summers.

Does every freaking thread have to be hijacked by the terrorists?

I was going to say, "Quoth the partner, NEVERMORE", but I see that 20 already has addressed the issue, more or less.

@75...

Yea but RBH IS one of the firms to work at if you don't want to get paid what you're worth.

Also, who says their day of reckoning isn't on the way? They certainly weren't tonning it when times were good. Who knows what their financials look like now??

75=RBH associate.

RBH?! Ha! The huge summer class of 2007 will come crashing down with pink slips this year. Fact.

RBH?! Ha! The huge summer class of 2007 will come crashing down with pink slips this year. Fact.

75, here. Not at RBH -- at V20 elsewhere. But $160k in the Charlotte market is both unnecessary and unsustainable. 78-80 are just 2Ls sad that their summer program at Moore & Van Allen got canceled?

God, when is this going to end! Sad days indeed. :(

81, I may be wrong, but my recollection is that MVA canned the summer program before they offered spots in it to anyone. They did callbacks on a Friday and then decided to can it the following Monday or Tuesday and dinged everyone.

Is Parker Poe taking summer associates this summer?

75/81 - Sounds like you're a 2L. Parker Poe pays $130K in Charlotte, not $160K.

Got it that Parker Poe pays $130k. Was responding to this:
"Yea but RBH IS one of the firms to work at if you don't want to get paid what you're worth."

84, that's right. In fact, none of the local firms pays $160K (unless you count Alston & Bird as 'local,' and even so, that's only to attorneys who have passed the patent bar).

No local firm pays $160K... only the carpetbaggers. (Alston & Bird does pay $160K to patent attorneys only)

78 here... just saying that RBH's old school business model (no billable hour requirement and little leverage) may no longer be sustainable and that they were not exactly the most profitable firm before the shit hit the fan, so we will see how they do.

75/81/85 is seeing things through the kool-aid colored glasses and is cheering on RBH despite the fact that hey (unless they are a partner) have no idea whether its economics still hold up.

Re: MVA's summer program. I know of one 2L who claimed to have an offer from MVA before they cancelled the summer program. They could have been full of it, but I think they were being honest.

78/88 ... what color is kool-aid exactly?

RBH kool-aid has a shitty brown color and consistency. Tastes like TTT.

Mmmm... Third Tier Tea (or "chai" for the sophisticates).

58 - Assuming that a racist, Jew-hating poster has an Arab sounding name is not quite the same as being a racist, Jew-hating poster.

I could have used the name "Bubba," thereby implying that the poster was a redneck, but since the screeds seem to be about Israel, and not about banking conspiracies or killing Christ, I figured Abu was a better choice.

No layoffs at Kennedy Covington. Thanks for the life line Mr. Kalis.

94 - that would be funny if "KC" still existed

94 - that would be funny if "KC" still existed

What is a "Kennedy Covington"? Does it also want to be a Senator?

What is a "Kennedy Covington"? Does it also want to be a Senator?

89 - I know a similar individual as well. I recall seeing something from the firm commenting that they were canceling the program because of "historically low turnout," which to me sounded even more degrading than not needing / being able to foot the bill for a SA class.

95-96, I am well aware it doesn't exist because we joined forces with Mr. Kalis and K&L Gates. Wasn't meant to be funny but rather an FU to everyone that commented that Parker Poe > KC when we merged last summer. How you say, who's laughing now?

89/99, that's consistent with what I've heard too. I do think they dinged everyone that they had at their second callback event (last week in September or first week in October), so the decision to cancel the summer program was likely taken around that time (that may also be the Friday/Monday that 83 referred to).

56/63/73 - So in other words, you stand on the theoretically possible while not even attempting to refuse the reality - the link between support of terrorism and antisemitic Islamist hate is hardly "tenuous" if you've ever spoken to one or heard them speak, and the fact that you would assert this either shows you to be lying (as per the usual Islamist propaganda, we don't hate Jews, we just want to destroy Israel and don't mind killing Jews until that happens, oh, and they eat babies and control the media), or to be utterly disconnected from reality.

102, does not standing with Israel automatically make someone an fount of antisemitic Islamist hatred? That seems to be your suggestion. The original post that led to this debate (#29) suggested that Israel's behavior in Gaza is "despicable."

Certainly, killing of innocent civilians, if not justified, is despicable. The justification seems to me to be an open question.

101 - that makes sense. Wonder if any folks from the first weekend got burned? The serious tanking took place mid-September, so it'd make sense for the decision to have been made in late September.

103, your response is, unsurprisingly, completely dishonest. The post that started this subthread said "Watch this CBS news video to see the nature of Jews ... Jews have a reputation which precedes them, one established through thousands of years of such despicable behavior. This despicable behavior exists not just in Gaza, but in your dealings with them at your law firm. " See anything about standing with Israel, or is it antisemitic hate? Oh, of course, no hate here! Your denials are transparently false, the usual nonsense - it's ok if Israel is destroyed, this doesn't mean we don't like Jews. No one believes you. And justification is hardly an open question (you are attacked, you defend yourself, period - only people who think it's acceptable to murder Jews seriously question this).

Guys at my high school used to use weasel-words like "separated" all the time, it was no big deal... unless such separating pertained to their experienced stubs, whereupon it WAS a big deal...

100 - To answer your question, all lawyers with a free coke, or even a sprite maybe, are laughing.

105, I don't know how much clearer I can be. Antisemitism is deplorable. Post 29 is deplorable. However, it in no way (besides in the imaginations of some) endorses terrorism.

-56/63/103

Real nice 100.

MVA let go 4 more attorneys this week, including 2 non-equity partners.

Now you're just changing the subject 103 because you can't answer truthfully.

You said "does not standing with Israel automatically make someone an fount of antisemitic Islamist hatred?" when you KNEW we were responding to specific antisemitic hate speech in this very thread (""Watch this CBS news video to see the nature of Jews ... Jews have a reputation which precedes them, one established through thousands of years of such despicable behavior. This despicable behavior exists not just in Gaza, but in your dealings with them at your law firm.")

Is antisemitism physically the same act as terrorism? Of course not - one is a feeling, one is an action. But we both know that Islamist apologists who protest Israel's self-defense while remaining silent in the face of Hamas's continued attacks support terrorism.

We both know that the antisemitic people posting here in support of Hamas are acting in support of an organization in a specific conflict, an organization whose mission is terrorism, and for whom destruction is in its very charter.

We both know that when antisemitic people vote to empower a terrorist organization to represent them, their hate is not some disembodied emotion which is distinct from their action on that hate - it is manifested in death and destruction that they have willfully created.

And we both know by your dishonest responses that YOU support both antisemitism and terrorism. The fact that stepped up to argue in defense of hate ("it's possible to hate a group without wanting to see them hurt...") using semantic bullshit unavoidably reveals your true nature. We both know that the number of people who "hate a group without wanting to see them hurt" is near zero - you are positing theoretical possibilities so as to make the average antisemite seem less evil - "hat[ing] a group without wanting to see them hurt" - when we both know that Jews getting hurt is EXACTLY what virtually all antisemites want, especially the ones with the will to foster hate in a public forum.

111, if I hate Paris (I strongly dislike the place), does it follow that I want to see it obliterated by a nuclear bomb? I don't think it necessarily does.

I agree with much of what you said... when antisemitic people vote to empower a terrorist organization, they DO willfully create death and destruction. When antisemitic people support Hamas, they DO support a terrorist organization. However, having a belief and acting on that belief are, at least theoretically, separate.

Although I vehemently disagree with them, I support the right of people to hate. I support the right of people to express that hatred (provided they do not infringe on others' rights with their expression). I do not support the right of people to act on their hatred.

-103 et al.

Unfortunately 112, your theoretical distinction is not very helpful in the real world - Islamists here and everywhere as well as others have repeatedly evinced their tendency to act on their antisemitic hate in the most violent and cruel possible terms, from blowing up buses to posting hate speech on ATL. (And your dislike of Paris, an inanimate object, hardly compares to intense and expressed hatred of other human beings. The analogy is simply inapt.)

While it's nice (and easy) to say you support freedom of thought but not action, this is irrelevant in context, IMHO - if no action has been taken, then none of the rest of us will ever even KNOW about the hate, because it will never even have been communicated, and it is therefore irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion. It's only once the hate becomes action, which has been the case in the Islamic community over and over again (e.g., by empowering Hamas), that we're even having this conversation.

107--nice.

113, hate speech and hate action are two VASTLY different beasts.

Ah, of course, so what 29 does is ok, it's not action, right? Vastly different for what purpose 115? How about, for example, for supporting and inciting the acts of others? Would you say that when a Mullah speaks and says to his flock "If you kill Jews, you go to heaven!" it's mere speech and therefore ok? And when a teacher at a school tells a child that if he makes himself a "martyr" by killing Jews, he'll do his family proud? Ok by you? Maybe you WOULD say those things are ok - just talk, right?. Or, giving you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps these are just not the realities you deal with every day - some of us do, and our perspective is somewhat different.

Try reading YOURSELF described in the ways you've seen here (e.g., 29 above), try being picked on for your race as a kid, try reading in the news every day that millions of lunatics want you dead for no reason, that your relatives were rounded up and gassed to death after the officially sanctioned hate speech became a plan of mass murder, and then tell me how you feel about hate speech.

Please take the Mideast debate somewhere else. This is a legal blog.

101, also had a friend with a MVA offer that went on the first interview date. He told me he was 90% certain he was going to MVA when I asked, but was lucky to not have formally accepted and had other callbacks left to go on.

Anyone know what happened with Kilpatrick Stockton this year? Heard that they pretty deeply slashed the summer program in NC.

Very well put, 111/113/116. Glad someone finally spoke up.

I had heard that MVA had also ealier let go of some stub-first years...can anyone confirm.

MVA did NOT let go of any stub-first years.

Perhaps these layoffs are in response to the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR lawsuit pending against Proskauer in Federal Court in the Southern District. The case is related with others to an inside whistleblower case amd a RICO suit for patent theft, fraud on the USPTO and attempted murder www.iviewit.tv for car bombing images) with Proskauer Rose and Foley and Lardner (Michael Grebe former RNC Chair) center stage. For all you lawyers thinking about Proskauer, this is most likely an undisclosed liability that doubtfully they have even reported to their liability carrier, let alone departing or new partners.
The case in federal court centers on Proskauer stealing patents from inventors at Iviewit Technologies www.iviewit.tv and submitting fraudulent patent applications to the USPTO. Don't believe it, here are the cases in Federal Court
CASES ASSOCIATED WITH CHRISTINE C. ANDERSON WHISTLEBLOWER CASE
(07cv09599) Anderson v The State of New York, et al.,
(07cv11196) Bernstein, et al. v Appellate Division First Department Disciplinary Committee, et al., (THE TRILLION DOLLAR PATENT SUIT)
(07cv11612) Esposito v The State of New York, et al.,
(08cv00526) Capogrosso v New York State Commission on Judicial Conduct, et al.,
(08cv02391) McKeown v The State of New York, et al.,
(08cv02852) Galison v The State of New York, et al.,
(08cv03305) Carvel v The State of New York, et al., and,
(08cv4053) Gizella Weisshaus v The State of New York, et al.
(08cv4438) Suzanne McCormick v The State of New York, et al.

Dishonesty in law leads to a loss of the soul. That is not a lawyer joke.
Eliot Bernstein
Iviewit Technologies, Inc
iviewit@iviewit.tv

Oh Charlotte....