Nationwide Pay Freeze Watch: Arent Fox Takes This Opportunity to Bring Back Deferred Compensation
A solid ice salary freeze is on at Arent Fox:
As a result of this comprehensive review, the Executive Committee (the “EC”) decided that based on global economic conditions, the Firm will freeze associate base compensation at the current 2008 rates for 2009.
But that’s not all:
Additional adjustments to the associate compensation system, also discussed below, include a somewhat more stringent 150-hour cap on non-billable creditable hours that can be increased only in limited circumstances, the reintroduction of a limited deferred compensation (“hold-back”) system, and modifications in the manner that hours are calculated for the purposes of qualification for productivity bonuses.
And if you’re concerned about bonuses:
The Firm will continue to make lump-sum bonus payments for above standard hours. Eligible associates who, during the evaluation year (or such later 12-month period as may be selected by the Firm), record more than 2050 billable hours, 2150 billable hours, 2250 billable hours, or more than 2350 billable hours will be eligible to receive productivity bonuses as follows.
So if you do bill 1950, you’re not getting any bonus at all. In fact at 2050 juniors are only getting $5K (considerably less than what juniors are getting at Cravath). Even 2250 hours doesn’t guarantee you a full Half-Skadden bonus.
No matter how annoyed you are at your firm’s pay structure, there always seems to be at least one other firm willing to pay a little bit less.
And that’s not even the interesting part. More on that after the jump.
As far as I remember, Arent Fox is the first firm to directly address 2010 raises:
The Firm is hopeful that it will reinstate the normative raise system as the primary salary adjustment vehicle in 2010. To be eligible for any normative raise that is made in 2010, associates must (1) meet the Firm’s hours standard as defined above for the 2008-2009 evaluation year and (2) perform work at least at the level of quality expected for such associate’s level of seniority, as determined by the Department Managers, the AEC, and the EC. Associates who do not meet the Firm’s hours standard for the 2008-2009 evaluation year will receive either a reduced normative raise (assuming normative raises are awarded) or no normative raise for 2010, as determined by the AEC in its discretion.
But the firm doesn’t address the big question that has been percolating around ATL’s headquarters in recent weeks. Assuming things are back to “normal” in 2010, will firms be raising people up one class year or two?
Because if it’s not two years, then firms really aren’t freezing salaries at all, they are cutting salaries. A new Arent Fox 3rd year is getting paid like a 2nd year at peer firms. In 2010, when the Arent Fox associate is a 4th year, will he or she receive what a 3rd year at peer firms get? Or will that associate be brought all the way back up to market level?
Based on the extensive memo below, it’s an open question.
But don’t despair Arent Fox associates. At least you aren’t getting stabbed.
New Indictment Says Arent Fox Partner Conspired to Conceal Nature of Lawyer’s Death [ABA Journal]
Earlier: Prior ATL coverage of salary freezes
Prior ATL coverage of associate bonuses
ARENT FOX — MEMO — COMPENSATION AND BONUSES
During the past several weeks, the Firm has undertaken its annual extensive examination of its associate compensation system, including a salary review for market competitiveness, the normative raise structure, and other components of our system.
As a result of this comprehensive review, the Executive Committee (the “EC”) decided that based on global economic conditions, the Firm will freeze associate base compensation at the current 2008 rates for 2009. The Firm intends to continue to award its traditional compensation components of merit recognition for superior quality, productivity bonuses for hours that exceed the Firm’s hours standard, and cash bonuses for special significant contributions to the Firm (typically business generation-related), as described in more detail below. Additional adjustments to the associate compensation system, also discussed below, include a somewhat more stringent 150-hour cap on non-billable creditable hours that can be increased only in limited circumstances, the reintroduction of a limited deferred compensation (“hold-back”) system, and modifications in the manner that hours are calculated for the purposes of qualification for productivity bonuses.
We will continue to periodically review our compensation system and consider potential changes to it in an effort to assist us in continuing to attract and retain the best and brightest associates at all levels and at the same time deal with a very difficult economy.
HOURS STANDARD
The Firm’s hours standard for the September 1, 2008 to August 31, 2009 evaluation period is 1950 hours, of which at least 1800 hours must be billed to paying clients, i.e., clients who have engaged the Firm on a pay-for-services basis. The remaining 150 hours of the Firm’s hours standard can be achieved through a combination of approved pro bono, Firm representation, or strategic planning hours. Hours in excess of 150 for pro bono and strategic planning work will not be credited towards the 1950 hours standard - i.e., the former “waiver” system to obtain credit for pro bono and strategic planning hours in excess of 150 is eliminated - with the exception of members of the Firm’s Pro Bono Committee, who will be allowed up to 300 hours of pro bono/strategic planning time towards the 1950 hours standard. In addition, hours in excess of 150 for Firm representation time will be credited towards the 1950 hours standard at the discretion of the Managing Partner.
In determining whether the Firm’s hours standard of 1950 is met, the Associate Evaluation Committee (“AEC”) will continue its practice of “annualizing” hours for certain groups of associates as follows:
1. For an associate who commenced employment during the evaluation year, the AEC will not consider the calendar month in which the associate began work and will annualize the associate’s hours over the remaining calendar months during the evaluation period.
2. For a part-time associate, the AEC will annualize hours as if the associate were working a full-time schedule.
3. For an associate on a leave of absence in excess of ten business days (not including vacation, holidays, or normal sick time), which leave of absence has been approved by a Department Manager, the AEC will annualize the associate’s hours by not considering the time spent on such leave and annualizing the hours over the time spent actively working.
NORMATIVE RAISE
As noted above, the EC has decided that associates’ salaries will remain at the same level as was in effect for 2008 and, therefore, associates will not receive a normative raise in 2009. Despite the absence of a normative raise for 2009, each associate will advance in class year towards consideration for promotion to partnership.
The Firm is hopeful that it will reinstate the normative raise system as the primary salary adjustment vehicle in 2010. To be eligible for any normative raise that is made in 2010, associates must (1) meet the Firm’s hours standard as defined above for the 2008-2009 evaluation year and (2) perform work at least at the level of quality expected for such associate’s level of seniority, as determined by the Department Managers, the AEC, and the EC. Associates who do not meet the Firm’s hours standard for the 2008-2009 evaluation year will receive either a reduced normative raise (assuming normative raises are awarded) or no normative raise for 2010, as determined by the AEC in its discretion.
DEFERRED COMPENSATION
The Firm has reinstated the deferral component of the compensation system for those associates who did not meet the hours standard for the 2007-2008 evaluation period. Associates subject to the deferred compensation system will have $10,000 of their 2009 base salary deferred. All first-year associates (Class of 2017), as well as second-year associates (Class of 2016) who did not meet the Firm’s hours standard, will be subject to a $5,000 deferral of their 2009 base salary. In order to be eligible to receive payment of the deferred portion of his/her salary in December 2009, an associate must (1) be performing work at least at the level of quality expected for such associate’s level of seniority, as determined by the Department Managers, the AEC, and the EC; (2) meet the Firm’s hours standard, as defined earlier, for the 2008-2009 evaluation period; and (3) be employed by the Firm at the time the deferred compensation is paid. Deferred compensation will be paid to eligible associates on or before December 31, 2009.
All lateral associates who joined the Firm after September 30, 2008 will be exempt from the deferral component of the compensation system during 2009.
Associates who are exempt this year from the deferral component of the compensation system are expected to meet the Firm’s 1950 hours standard as defined above. Thus, if an associate who is exempt from the deferral component of the compensation system this year does not meet the Firm’s hours standard for the 2008-2009 evaluation period, the deferral component of the compensation system will be applicable to the associate effective January 1, 2010, assuming the deferral portion of the compensation system is indeed continued by the Firm in 2010.
PRODUCTIVITY BONUSES
The Firm will continue to make lump-sum bonus payments for above standard hours. Eligible associates who, during the evaluation year (or such later 12-month period as may be selected by the Firm), record more than 2050 billable hours, 2150 billable hours, 2250 billable hours, or more than 2350 billable hours will be eligible to receive productivity bonuses as follows:
Partnership Productivity Bonus Productivity Bonus
Class More than 2050 Billable Hours More than 2150 Billable Hours
2017 and 2016 $5,000 $10,000
2015 and 2014 7,500 15,000
2013-2010 7,500 15,000
Partnership Productivity Bonus Productivity Bonus
Class More than 2250 Billable Hours More than 2350 Billable Hours
2017 and 2016 $15,000 $20,000
2015 and 2014 22,500 30,000
2013-2010 25,000 32,500
Annualization will no longer be used for determining qualification for productivity bonuses except for part-time status. Productivity bonuses for part-time associates will be pro-rated.
Additionally, only up to a maximum of 150 approved pro bono or strategic planning hours can be credited towards qualification for a productivity bonus. Consistent with the discussion above regarding the Firm’s hours standard, the former “waiver” system for pro bono and strategic planning hours in excess of 150 is eliminated for purposes of determining eligibility for productivity bonuses. Firm representation hours in excess of 150 hours will be credited towards productivity bonus eligibility at the discretion of the Managing Partner.
In addition to meeting the hours goals referenced above, to be eligible for a productivity bonus, the associate must (1) be performing work at least at the level of quality expected for such associate’s level of seniority, as determined by the Department Managers, the AEC, and the EC, and (2) be employed by the Firm at the time the bonuses are paid.
CASH BONUSES
In addition to productivity bonuses, the Firm will also award discretionary lump-sum cash bonuses to eligible associates who have been identified by the AEC, the Department Managers, and the EC, in their discretion, to have made special significant contributions to the Firm, based on traditional factors such as (1) billable hours, (2) business generation and expansion, (3) Firm citizenship, and (4) other business-related factors.
MERIT RECOGNITION
The Firm will continue its practice of recognizing associates who meet the Firm’s hours standard, as defined earlier in this memorandum, and are performing work of superior quality, as determined in the discretion of the Department Managers, the AEC, and the EC. The nature and form of this recognition will be determined later in the year. The Firm will continue its policy that no more than a certain limited percentage of associates (as determined by the EC) who are reviewed may receive such recognition.
Since the merit recognition is awarded at the end of the evaluation period based upon performance during the evaluation period, any form of payment made to reflect such recognition will be pro-rated in the case of associates who are part-time.
* * * * *
As you know, associate compensation is an ever-changing issue. We will continue to review our associate compensation program in an effort to respond to market conditions and to keep it competitive with comparable law firms and therefore reserve the right to modify it again at any time in our discretion.
On behalf of the EC, I would like to thank all of you for your contributions to Arent Fox. We especially appreciate your patience and understanding with respect to the compensation changes outlined above as we work together to ensure the Firm’s success through the most challenging economic climate ever confronted by the legal industry.




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nut in towel
1 - I think I might just do that, thanks.
Wow. Arent Fox sucks.
i just nutted all over my time sheets
whats nut?
whats nut?
whats nut?
5-7 apparently you nutted on your mouse and your finger got stuck to the left button
ELIE DAMN IT
YOU LAZY
A-HOLE. DO YOU
DO ANYTHING
BUT CUT AND
PASTE LAYOFF NOTICES
ALL DAY?
WHY THE F*CK IS
LAT PAYING YOU?
I COULD WRITE A MACRO
TO CUT AND PASTE
FROM EMAILS.
DO YOUR JOB
AND WRITE SOMETHING
FUNNY. THE BUTTCHEEKS
AND LOBSTER CREW
ARE TIRE OF
CARRYING YOUR
FAT ASS.
Jewish Nachos
Katten also froze
"Assuming things are back to "normal" in 2010, will firms be raising people up one class year or two?
Because if it's not two years, then firms really aren't freezing salaries at all, they are cutting salaries. "
This is silly. Worry about today, today and tomorrow, tomorrow. The economy may well be more in the tank in 2010. And "freeze" versus "cut" is just silly semantics at this point.
Anybody ever nut in their pants in sub-zero weather?
We going to Sizzler!
We going to Sizzler!
ARE TIRE!!!
debate all you want about whether locking in pay at 2008 levels for individuals is a "freeze" or "cut" but make no mistake that this deferred comp. scheme is a pay cut. The associates they don't like will be fired before Dec. 31 anyway.
I wonder if Richard Gere's Ass Gerbil would get along with Kash's Ass Lobster?
wow- Arent Fox to TTT
Andrews Kurth salary freeze
slurpee style
You are all sheep.
Fox Mulder is gay.
I nutted in my pants in sub-zero weather. then i got snow balls in my pants.
It just keeps getting worse. Oy. But at least people have stopped posting "NY to 190!" every other post.
16, yeah, if I was an Arent Fox associate, I would be scrutinizing the details of this hold-back policy and whatever personnel manuals the firm has to figure out what exactly my position would be in that scenario. And then I'd do some long, hard thinking.
I wanna nut deep inside Kash and/or Mystal please.
I ARE TIRE!
DER TERK ERRR JERRBS!
ARE TIRE!!
... I think 3 pretty much sums it up.
This is the longest memo I ever bothered to (not) read on ATL. It's moronic and fearful. Why not just state the bottom line: your salary is going to stay exactly where it is until such time, if any, as we decide to give you a raise and/or bonus. In other words, welcome to the real world. I'd honestly be OK with that, rather than having to spend endless hours figuring out where the hell you stand with different reporting periods, what hours do or don't count, and whehter or not a committee will deem that you perform at level or not. Just run the business and pay everyone - winners and losers - what they're worth!
mmmmm Jewish Nachos.............
Arent Fox! what is that? Is that the name of the star fox character for snes?
The Vault editors are going to have a lot of fun trying to discern/publish the new salaries.
I wanna eat out Kash's ass lobster please. Yummmm...
Vault editor, nex ATL job positing.
29 have you ever nutted in a girl and not on your SNES controller
Now, ladies, ladies, please. Both of you can hold my laser pointer any time.
Salary freeze, schmalary freeze.
Is anyone going to talk about the laid off Chicago associates who have literally been left OUT IN THE COLD?
Elie missed the biggest new wrinkle in Arent Fox's 2010 raise announcement, which is not the issue of whether freezing firms will give a "double raise" to make up for 2009, but rather the additional requirement of minimum billables to get a "lockstep" raise.
Is anyone going to start talking about the plight of the laid off WILDMAN HARROLD lawyers who have literally been LEFT OUT IN THE COLD?
i guess arent fox associates won't be able to afford as much LOBSTER!!!!!!!!!
Zoidberg -- give it a rest before I boil your ass and feast on your sweet, tender insides with some drawn butter.
I don't even get the lobster jokes.
The stabbing reference is tasteless and gratuitous. Robert Wone's murder was painful for many, many people.
39 - i challenge you to CLAWPLACH!!!
Oh shit, are we going to have these two buttmuncher for a long time; that 80s douche and the lobster moron?
Elie you may want to start giving the douche patrol some real punishing power to oust these bastards.
The female Kash's problem is purely medical. Soon she will drop her eggs and they will hatch and all will be well.
Zoidberg--decidedly not funny.
What kind of douche defines Executive Committee (the"EC") in a memo, when there are no other EC acronyms to confuse it with. Freaking lawyers ...
You've got to be kidding me 45, Futurama people are much more funny then the stupid butt-spreaders and guys at my high school doofuses.
80's guy, don't worry about blank, let me worry about blank.
Zoidberg, you'll find that once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor
All we need is the weird rooster lawyer and Judge Whitey, those were the two best characters on the show.
"PCCCOOOCK!, I'm sorry, I thought you was corn."
"Being as I have a ham sandwich with mayonaisse waiting for me at my mansion, I declare the defendants guilty as charged."
skadden nyc laid off staff attorneys, paralegals, and secretaries today
Zoidberg = EPIC FAIL.
48: But they paid out "full Skadden" bonuses to associates! It'll be interesting to see how many of said associates still have a job come March or April.
then?
46: Employment Committee & Ethics Committee to name 2.
I don't know why all of you guys are bitching...with inflation going down, technically everyone is getting a raise even with a salary freeze!
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/16/economists-react-deflation-threat-is-real/
Brrr. The streets of Chicago (and Sidley's salaries) are FR0Z3N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brrr. The streets of Chicago (and Sidley's salaries) are FR0Z3N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why hasn't anyone commented on AF's bizarre seniority nomenclature? Who is in the class of 2017, people who are still 5 years away from entering law school?
WHY HASN'T KASH POSTED SOME BIKINI PICZ?!?!!?!??!!?!?!?
54/55: Has it been confirmed that Sidley froze?
My guess is more firms to follow, including many who have announced standard class raises.
Thanks to this Bush Recession, we are all f*cked for the next few years.
59, "next few years?" We are going to be in a recession/depression for the next decade! You need to stop drinking from the Obama watercooler! With all this positive BS Obama keeps shoving down our throats, I think he needs to hire Richard Simmons to be his press secretary. That way we can do jazz hands everytime Obama wants to talk about how everything is SUPER (thanks for asking)!
60, you are an idiot.
Indeed, don't worry about blank, let me worry about blank.
OMG!! THAT MUST BE THE WORST FIRM EVER!!!
SURE, THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT NOW, BUT WAIT TILL THE MARKETS TURN AROUND, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO GET EVEN THE DUMBEST LAWYERS.
58, according to a friend of mine at Sidley, the freeze is on.
Let's do some Jethro Bodine ciphering, shall we? About 35,000 lawyers graduate from accredited law schools each year--net gain~20k/year. Shrinking workloads and a horrifically depressed economy. Regardless of how short sighted or even mean spirited the Arent Foxes of the world may be, for each one of us who screams of outrage and revenge, there are a dozen others who will gladly take what they are given and be thankful. Welcome to the third world.
Forget about "nth year associates getting paid less than their peers at other firms." Just like "half-skadden" quickly became the norm for bonuses, the "ice-frozen" salaries (i.e., salaries dropped by 1 year seniority) will become the "peer" norm. All that remains is for 1st-year starting salaries to drop to $150k and all will be in order again.
Do any of you REALLY think partners are so eager to give double raises a year from now? HAR-HAR! As if that will help keep profits up in coming years.
It's an employer's market out there, with more supply than demand in the associate labor pool. Wake up to reality folks. The gravy train has pulled into the switching yard.
So basically they're trying to end lockstep salaries. BOOOO!!!! Go ahead and stratify bonuses if you want, but salaries should remain the same by class year. If you bill people out at the same rate, they should get paid at the same rate. The place to remedy disparity in amount of billing or perceived talent or what not is in the bonuses, not the base.
60 nailed it.
61, you are an idiot.
Watch for your paycheck (or your pink slip, or your hoped-for offer). THAT'S reality. Your state of denial changes nothing.
Of course, if you're an Arent Fox partner and someone is sexually abused and then murdered in your house under mysterious circumstances, Arent Fox will keep you on the payroll.
Sucks to work at Arent Fox. That takes the cake.
It's unbelievable that they deduct money from next year's salary if you couldn't make your hours. I'd had to work at a place that punishes their employees.
I'm not sure the "deferred compensation" scheme is much different from the what the other firms in DC that have multiple salary tiers are doing (i.e., Hogan, Wiley, Patton, etc.).
If associates miss their hours, they can be placed on the "lower" tracks. If, in the next year, they meet the hours requirement for the regular tier, they will they get the $ back that they lost when they moved to a lower tier. So its "deferred" in a sense as well.
Deferred compensation would never hapen at WILDMAN HARROLD!!
any firm tying raises to hours = TTT
especially in the more junior years
Chattanooga to 190!!!
Arrogant Fox is not so sneaky
Arrogant Fox is not so sneaky
What's the bonus for class of 2398? weird system, no? anyone??
NY TO 189,999.99!!!!!!
cash money is an army!!!
BITCH SPREAD THE BUTTCHEEKS SO I CAN SMELL THE JUICY FOX INSIDE!
53 - you're an idiot. replace "inflation going down" with "deflation" in that sentence.
NY to 1 jar of vaseline!!!
Zoidberg, I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for laughs, I can tell you I don't have the patience. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop posting now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will boil you.
47, you would be next except I actually feel bad for you because you've obviously never been laid.
I'm sure Obama will save us all, isn't that right????
rather work at arent fox than theat shithole day pitney
10 = racist.
arent fox sucks ass.
instead of posting each firm that freezes, why don't you make announcements of each firm not freezing? when your post makes it seem like more and more firms are freezing, it encourages other firms to think about freezing. so thanks a lot for the disservice ATL.
87 you are a complete fool who deserves a freeze and a donkey punch.
This proud moment in firm history is now memorialized for ever on the internets so that when future recruiting classes Google the firm they will come to find what an utter failure this firm truly is.
Instead of calling it deferred compensation (which would imply that it has already been earned) the firm should have called anything but. If I were laid off in between now and when the raise is paid I would sue them for the raise since it is compensation that has already been earned.
I would further argue that deferred compensation might alter these employees at-will status since it makes a promise to pay this compensation at a date in the future.
I don't know if it's a winner but it wouldn't get tossed on S.J. What a headache these fools created for themselves in the name of saving a couple of hundred thousand dollars.
Utterly brainless.
Does this firm have an employment department?
A&B voluntary retirement package receives less than 10 voluntary staff, pay freeze, to follow: job elimination. Can't layoff and remain on fortune list.
Apropos of nothing, I'm posting again that Morgan Lewis had record profits per partner for 2008 and froze pay anyway. I got asked to work on MLK weekend. Pay Frozen Associate does not work on pay freeze weekend!
Viva la Revolucion!
a walkout by all associates will deter these scams from further execution. gas prices were a scam, pay freezes and layoffs are scams.
Damn, is 91 the only one with common sense. It's time to unite associates and kick asses to curb. Ban together and build your own practice, hire the experienced laud off staff and get on with it.
Damn, is 91 the only one with common sense. It's time to unite associates and kick asses to curb. Ban together and build your own practice, hire the experienced laid off staff and get on with it.
Damn, is 91 the only one with common sense. It's time to unite associates and kick asses to curb. Ban together and build your own practice, hire the experienced laid off staff and get on with it.
In all seriousness, who here would bang KASH if given the opportunity?
Given a golden opportunity and unable to see it. Open your eyes! already. Sink the ship before it sinks you. Damn. Wake up! How did the large firms begin? A few lowly associates breaking away from rules and regulations not supportive of their goals. Where's the courage today? Who are those lowly associates today? Take the years of experienced staff with you and make it happen. What large firm can operate without you? Eliminate the PPP profits and start afresh, put them out of business! Show 'em who's boss and kick 'em to the curb already.
-An unlaid off 25+ years experienced staff member willing to see it happen during this scam powerless crisis and hoping to see a boomerang effect.
Given a golden opportunity and unable to see it. Open your eyes! already. Sink the ship before it sinks you. Damn. Wake up! How did the large firms begin? A few lowly associates breaking away from rules and regulations not supportive of their goals. Where's the courage today? Who are those lowly associates today? Take the years of experienced staff with you and make it happen. What large firm can operate without you? Eliminate the PPP profits and start afresh, put them out of business! Show 'em who's boss and kick 'em to the curb already.
-An unlaid off 25+ years experienced staff member, who has worked with high rolling partners and more than experienced in legal practice ALMOST willing to see it happen during this scam powerless crisis and hoping to see a boomerang effect. Pay my check and give me the time off (most importantly) and I'm yours in developing and implementing a sound legal practice while you practice law!
I'm not sure the threat to peel off to create a competing firm is very credible. There's no denying things are rough out there.
However, as one of the frozen--Morgan Lewis--I can say that for the first time I'm listening to the head hunters. I'm one of the productive few here, and I can say that unless they make things right with bonuses THIS year, not next (by going above the Cravath level to make up for my lost salary), I'm only biding my time until I'm gone, immediately if I can, or as soon as the economy recovers.
The Morgan Lewis non-equity partners got frozen along with us associates, so it's not like they can point to partnership prospects here as a reason to stay. MLB equity had a stellar 2008, but they don't make anyone equity anymore. This pay freeze will ripple on--frozen associates will never catch up to associates of comparable seniority at non-freeze firms. That also means the incentive to leave never abates--once the economy recovers, there will always be another firm offering more money for your class year.
all inquiries accepted towards @ 97 as office manager. Those staff late to the table, legal secretary positions await.
98 - As one of the still-busy people (at work Saturday, probably like you) I have come to appreciate the Jones Day "different packages for everyone" system. I am making Skadden-level $$, but I bill 200hrs a month so I think thats more than fair. And I could easily later if I wanted to despite the economy. Freezing me would be stupid for the firm.
Other people I know are warking WAY less; I expect many of them did not get hooked up this cycle, but is that so unfair? I bet they still make more per hour worked than I do. Some seem to be on a 3 month paid vacation as far as I can tell, so they really can't complain about making "frozen" rates.
yes, count your blessing Saturday worker. Your life has no meaning w/out it.
101- No way man, the poeple making 80% as much as me for half the work (or less) have the better deal, assuming they keep their job.
Im just saying that if my salary was frozen because they were slow, and I was still working saturdays etc, I would be SUPER pissed and looking for someplace that would at least pay me for sacraficing my weekends. .
you are suckered 102, just saying. Your Saturday /Sunday work = $20/hour, nice return on law degree dip. You will continue your lawfirm existence a lifetime. You are brainless. Good luck to you.
100--agreed. I've actually found a couple people at MLB who are fine with the freeze because they haven't had work in months and are just glad they're not getting fired (management didn't quite call the pay freeze a trade off for no lay-offs, but the implication was definitely there). It's the people who are actually working that are pissed.
During the last recession Morgan Lewis pulled the trigger too quickly and too often on layoffs (kicking first years to the curb, if I recall) and was surprised its reputation took a hit. So instead they're going the freeze route this time. They might've gotten a pass from associates, if not for the record 2008 profits and clear implication in October that we were getting raises (the reason people might not have read the October memo as an indication of usual step-raises is because expectations of clarity and forthrightness from management are already so low, and expectations of partner greed so high).
101/103 is a cranky-cranky today about SOMETIHNG!
Saturday work happens. If it bothers you/anyone that much then "lawyer" was probably not a great choice of jobs. I got drunk last night and went to the gym this morning, its not THAT terrible.
Yoy may think I have a "sucker deal" making Skadden $$ in a recession and working a few saturdays, but I know for a fact there are thousands of other "suckers" out there who would trade places with me in a heartbeat. I sleep fine at night.
Agree with 105. I will trade places with you.
104 A freeze is not a substitute for layoffs. The firms that suck will do both.
107: true. Nonetheless, management made the statement, likely in an attempt to make the freeze news go down smoother. Didn't mean to imply I believed them.
Pop quiz of the day -- which firm:
1. Has conducted stealth layoffs throughout the fall, but only publicly credited the termination of 5 timekeepers in an overseas office;
2. Laid off staff in every domestic office;
3. Canceled holiday parties nationwide;
4. Eliminated the income partner track and forced each income partner to contribute $150k to the partnership;
5. Reduced the number of 2009 parter promotions by more than half;
6. Frozen salaries; and
7. Announced a 4% increase in revenue for 2008.
The answer may surprise you...
1. Numerous
2. Numerous
3. All
4. Numerous
5. Numerous
6. Numerous
7. Numerous
109, Isn't the answer DLA?
109:
DLgAy Pooper
107 - you're right. Mayer Brown will do lay-offs, smaller bonuses, and a salary freeze.
What's not included in the memo is the fact that Arent Fox had its second best year ever for PPP in 2008. 2nd best year ever and you're hosing associates immediately thereafter? No class . . .
ZOMG! You mean all these firms that hire shiTTT grads from crap law schools pay them less than cravath pays its associates? Holy moly!
Next I'll discover there are far more "median" grads of shiTTT law schools (non-top 6/8 schools) than top 10% grads of the top 6/8 schools....who knew? I ASK YOU WHO KNEW????
Wow. Reading that memo makes me wonder who on earth would want to work at Arent Fox, partner or associate, quite regardless of pay. Do you need a hall pass to go to the bathroom?
After the Skadden NYC bloodbath on Friday, nobody's safe. They fired the most productive staff attorneys so they could give their work to the overpaid first years who spent most of the fall sitting around doing nothing. You think a client is going to approve $400 an hour for a Harvard JD to look at documents?
Look for more Skadden layoffs in the coming months. They'll do it in a sneaky way so they don't have to report it to NALP (rescinded summer offers, no-offers, and "voluntary retirement" packages for anyone a day over 40). If you're not billing 300 hours a month, start filling out apps at your local Mickey D's.
Most of these moves are just bandaids. They can't manage a large downturn in revenue or a client strike on far too expensive billing rates. GC's are not going to pay for $400/hour paper shuffling when their company is teetering.
Headcounts need to come down. Billing rates for junior associates need to come down. And that means pay and "bonuses" need to come down further. That's realistically what most firms who were paying "Cravath" need to do - but they won't dramatically restructure because they are law firms.
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New York is dying and will continue on its downward course until it shakes off its girl crush on all things French and instead goes back to being the greatest city in the greatest country in the history of the world.
Meanwhile, associates in the rotten Apple should curl up in the fetal position and await, expectantly, to be summoned from your office with the words "bring out the gimp". From now on the game in NY is the ancient one - sodomize, or be sodomized.
119 - Please don't even try to get Zoidberg started.
120 = some f*cking peasant in texas who does not even under the English/French rivalary has nothing to do with his bauer ass? or savant? only time will tell....
ATL - Can you confirm whether or not Cahill had any layoffs?
Until you actually KNOW the 2008 PPP numbers, stop fucking whining. Which you don't. You can't. Almost all firms still have oustanding 2008 client bills that are still pending.
Show me some conclusive proof of a firm whose profits are UP that have frozen salaries. I call bullshit. Possibly if you are almost exclusively a litigation shop with a focus on IP and good bankruptcy department. Otherwise, I don't care how damn busy Restructuring and IP lit are. General Lit's only doing ok. And Corporate's in the toilet. Kirkland's 2008 profits are down a little. I am willing to bet Morgan's are also down.
Unless you're on the firm committee, your pronouncements that 'the firm had a stellar year'despite the bad economy' are ignorant and mean nothing.
Until you actually KNOW the 2008 PPP numbers, stop fucking whining. Which you don't. You can't. Almost all firms still have oustanding 2008 client bills that are still pending.
Show me some conclusive proof of a firm whose profits are UP that have frozen salaries. I call bullshit. Possibly if you are almost exclusively a litigation shop with a focus on IP and good bankruptcy department. Otherwise, I don't care how damn busy Restructuring and IP lit are. General Lit's only doing ok. And Corporate's in the toilet. Kirkland's 2008 profits are down a little. I am willing to bet Morgan's are also down.
Unless you're on the firm committee, your pronouncements that 'the firm had a stellar year'despite the bad economy' are ignorant and mean nothing.
Until you actually KNOW the 2008 PPP numbers, stop fucking whining. Which you don't. You can't. Almost all firms still have oustanding 2008 client bills that are still pending.
Show me some conclusive proof of a firm whose profits are UP that have frozen salaries. I call bullshit. Possibly if you are almost exclusively a litigation shop with a focus on IP and good bankruptcy department. Otherwise, I don't care how damn busy Restructuring and IP lit are. General Lit's only doing ok. And Corporate's in the toilet. Kirkland's 2008 profits are down a little. I am willing to bet Morgan's are also down.
Unless you're on the firm committee, your pronouncements that 'the firm had a stellar year'despite the bad economy' are ignorant and mean nothing.
124, 125, 126: On Wednesday, Morgan Lewis management announced on a video conference call to all associates and of counsel that 2008 PPP were up (I believe the quote was "a bit up"). The memo he sent after the conference call said PPP were "comparable" to the previous year (go read the memo). All apologies for not using my cell phone camera to record the chairman's statement, but maybe you should actually read the posted memo before calling "bullshit". Keep drinking that big firm Kool-Aid, retard. (And besides, your "outstanding client bills" argument is idiotic. If they don't collect WITHIN their fiscal year, the revenue gets counted to the next year. Firms don't shove the revenue backwards, at least MLB doesn't.)
A solid ice salary freeze is on at Arent Fox
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Any details on those Skadden layoffs?
My firm has never paid a bonus for just making your hours, I assumed that was what my salary was for.
Until you actually KNOW what the firm's fiscal year is, shove your head up your ass. Arent Fox operates on a September-August fiscal year (October-September for partners), so I do know the 2008 PPP. 124-126, thy name is Moron. And please press "post comment" only once.
Arent Fox has been operating like this for years. They started the stratified bonus system almost 10 years ago. Arent is truly a TTT.
Oh, and BTW: But if you're a powerful, young, GWM partner with clout in the DC community, they'll keep you as partner, even if someone was murdered in your house, even after indictment by the Grand Jury.