Nationwide Start Date Watch: Nixon Peabody Makes the Move to January 2010
Given Nixon Peabody’s announcement earlier this week that it was laying off 20 attorneys and 36 staff, one might safely assume that there is not enough work to go around at the firm. Accordingly, a tipster e-mailed us this week to say that 3Ls bound for Nixon this fall had been told that their start dates were being pushed back.
Allison McClain, Nixon Peabody’s spokesperson, confirmed this:
We have chosen to defer the start date for our fall associates to January 2010 and we will pay each a deferral stipend. This start date change affects all of our fall associates in all offices.
McClain declined to elaborate. Someone tell us: what’s the going rate for deferral stipends these days?
Last month, we asked whether later start dates were the trend for the fall. In our terribly unscientific poll, only 6% of respondents said their start date would be in January, while the most sizeable chunk—35%— said they were starting in September.
We’ll continue to keep you posted as to start date push backs. On the downside, later start dates mean delayed revenue for first-year associates (though one could move home with the parents and hoard the deferral stipend). On the upside, those Biglaw-bound 3Ls who don’t like the beach may be able to start thinking about bar trips that involve skiing.
Update (2:39): Tipsters are now confirming that the deferral stipend is $10,000.
Earlier: Nationwide Layoff Watch: Nixon Peabody Lays off 20 Attorneys, 36 Staff
Nationwide Start Date Watch: Longer summers for new associates in 2009?
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Comments
Every First Year's a Defaulter at Nixon Peabody!
firstasaurus!
Nixon has little work and hired too many first years. Now, Nixon is hoping that some of those first years due to start next year will take this step as a message that they should find other employment. If they do not, Nixon will convert some or all of these "deferred" associates into laid off associates.
This is just like what happened to Thelen before they collapsed. . . .
Dechert lays off 19, reports the Legal Intelligencer.
It would be kind of cool if ATL writers figured out the difference between revenue, income, and profit.
Also, it would be kind of cool if the EIC was not so fat.
Yeah, this is EXACTLY what happened to Thelen. Get your government jobs while you still can!
I wonder if there were any "deferred" to-be first years/ 08 Thelen summers at Thelen who got lucky to get a position at Nixon after Thelen failed, and who are now being "deferred" again?
I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT.
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NIXON PEABODY SOLD US OUT!
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First all this salary freeze crap and layoffs, and now pushing back starting dates?
None of this shit existed when I was researching law schools. This is ridiculous. I work my ass off for 7 years and now I get fucked over like this?
Way to reward hard work. FUCK IT ALL.
Heller did this too.
Nixon is done.
9 = Christian Bale
Wow #9. Wow.
Risks exists in the real world. You aren't entitled to anything.
What the fuck does Christian Bale have to do with anything?
-9
Layoffs at Holland & Knight. Announced to associates as reduction in force; not stealth.
9, you wouldn't get the Bale joke, you were too busy working hard.
Hey, 9, studies show that lawyers (and MBA's) who graduate during a recession suffer lower life time earnings. This is because that they cannot get the crucial experience during the early part of their careers that people who are lucky to graduate during boom years get. Thus, when the economy comes back, the people who graduate during bad times are out-competed for positions/income by those people who did get good experience by virture of graduating during an economic boom.
I am really sorry that you and your fellow law school graduates missed out, and that you will be feeling it for the rest of your career. Good luck.
12,
If I work my ass off, do a summer at a firm where I turn in good work products, and then accept an offer for the following year (thereby closing off other career possibilities and firm offers due to NALP ethics), then YES, I AM ENTITLED TO THAT OFFER.
Someone please explain the Christian Bale joke to me...
-9
16, thank you, that is exactly why this is complete bullshit! Firms need to read your post and LEARN something from it. They apparently just don't get it.
-9
So for the NP bound 3L's...are we fucked or what? Should I take that deferral stipend, tell NP to screw itself, and find some other (govt.) job?
Anyone know if NP is going the way of Thelen or Thacher?-Word form NP associates???
"None of this shit existed when I was researching law schools. This is ridiculous. I work my ass off for 7 years and now I get fucked over like this?"
Just curious - did you say same the same thing during OCI when you realized that Nixon Peabody was going to be your only option?
16, I know what you mean. I know someone who graduated in 2001 and got screwed with job offers. He went into shitlaw, and is still doing the same thing now, albeit as his own firm, where he doesn't make much.
Dear 3Ls,
Although it has previously been our policy that everyone is a winner here at Nixon Peabody, we have come to the unfortunate conclusion that none of you are, in fact, winners.
Best regards,
The winners at Nixon Peabody
-9
Not that long ago Christian Bale went on a long obscenity laced tirade on the set of a film he was directing because someone accidentally walked into the scene. Apparently he has quite the temper.
9, google "Christian Bale news" or something to that effect.
This sucks not only from an income perspective for the noobs, but also from a health insurance perspective.
17, I'm sorry. You would like to believe you are entitled to that, but, in fact, you only expected that. There are a lot of people who have done exactly what you did, and more, who are dicked over far beyond your wildest imaginings right now.
PS: I bet your summer work product blew. No summer does truly good work.
9 would make a perfect partner at BIGLAW...already an egotistical self-entitled prick.
Way to go 9.
16 - well played.
9- sheesh, I don't even have a tv and I know what they're talking about.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=christian+bale+rant
as we speak one of the largest multi office national firms is terminating 150 associates nationally and an equal number of staff
21, don't even get me started about that. I am over that now, and this is a completely different situation.
20: NP could be in deep trouble -- sufficient work is virtually nonexistent for many. Heavy competition for what work there is.
9,
Go tell your sob story at the next Obama rally and watch the job offers and free rent offers roll in.
Sincerely,
Henrietta "Picky Where I'm Homeless" Hughes
& that burger flippin' Spaz.
9,
Well you are entitled to some damages if your offer is revoked (and probably if delayed), my point is that these risks of firm failure and poor economic conditions and greedy partners always exist.
It blows, I'm sorry to hear it.
-12
29 - you talkin bout Simpson Thacher?
26, my evaluations were excellent. And the fact that other people got screwed doesn't change the fact that I got screwed. Like them, I did not get what I was supposed to get.
BULLSHIT
"Christian Bale: Am I going to walk around and rip your ------- lights down, in the middle of a scene? Then why the ---- are you walking right through? Ah-da-da-dah, like this in the background. What the ---- is it with you? What don't you ------- understand? You got any ------- idea about, hey, it's ------- distracting having somebody walking up behind Bryce in the middle of the ------- scene? Give me a ------- answer! What don't you get about it?"
I was NOTHING like that, dumbfucks.
-9
Anyone know which practice groups are particularly slow thereby vulnerable to additional cuts?
Dear 3Ls,
Although it has previously been our policy that everyone is a winner here at Nixon Peabody, we have come to the unfortunate conclusion that none of you are, in fact, winners.
Best regards,
The winners at Nixon Peabody
"26, my evaluations were excellent. And the fact that other people got screwed doesn't change the fact that I got screwed. Like them, I did not get what I was supposed to get."
Are you suggesting that life is somehow unfair? What utter nonsense.
38 = TTT LOSER WHO CAN'T GET A FUCKING JOB. STFU
31- are you an associate? If so, what office? Is NYC in the toilet? I imagine PE is screwed, what about litigation? What's the word in the office, NP going down?
33, unfortunately you're incorrect. I was in the same situation with Thelen last year. They gave us a stipend for delaying our start dates and then let us keep it when they dissolved. But I wasn't actually entitled to anything. I feel like I should have been. I know what it feels like to have that sense of entitlement to the job, and it really sucks to have your lifetime of hard work stripped away from you in an instant.
Dear 16,
Fuck you.
From,
Not 9
39, for the last time, I was given an offer, and I gave up to accept that offer. Now I am not getting what I was offered, and I can't take back what I gave up.
Is that simple enough for you, simpleton?
THANK YOU, 42. WE ARE ALL SOLD OUT FOR SHIT. WHAT A LYING CHEAT.
39, for the last time, I was given an offer, and I gave up to accept that offer. Now I am not getting what I was offered, and I can't take back what I gave up.
Is that simple enough for you, simpleton?
9 - sorry, there are no guarantees in law or any other profession. And there are MANY people out there who have worked a LOT harder than you (sitting through college and law school classes and taking exams is hard work? LOL!!!!), and have even lower future prospects. Sorry that your carefully-laid plans of studying REAL hard and being a gunner in law school, and getting an overpaid position as a know-nothing fungible junior associate in a big name firm, and backstabbing our way to a hoped-for partnership (hah!) while being paid far more than you're worth, all didn't pan out.
Goddamn this new generation of kids who saw some good times while growing up and think they're entitled to success and riches. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there. Want to be successful? Grow some balls and make an aggressive Plan B when the easy Plan A becomes unavailable.
7 years of hard work stripped away in an instant. I would've been better off taking a blue collar job.
For all you 2009 grads who will have your start date deferred -- just remember another reason why they're deferring you: so that they can do layoffs of 2007 & 2008 associates in January, 2010, and give you the work that they were doing.
Also, you shouldn't expect to see the senior associates you met last summer; lots of them won't be there by 2010 either.
Oh, and the partners who you worked for last summer? A whole bunch of them aren't going to be their either.
Remember what Reagan said in 1980: a "recession" is when your neighbor loses his job; a "depression" is when you lose your job.
JUST RESCIND THE OFFERS NOW AND GET ALL OF THIS SUSPENSE CRAP OVER WITH ALREADY. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
47, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? SOME RICH ASS PARTNER THAT HAD THE SAME EXPECTATIONS THAT I DID AND ACTUALLY REALIZED THEM? JUST TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER NOW, YOU SORRY SON OF A BITCH.
As a current 3L who hopefully will still have my offer from BigLaw waiting for me in the fall, I would like to apologize for dumb asses like no.9. Trust me, not all of us are that rediculous, and not all of us think we're entitled. We're not. It's just a shitty situation.
LOL at everyone who got screwed by NP! ROTFL!!!!
You and me we're fucking done professionally.
You fucking ass.
53 = DOUCHEBAG ASSWIPE ON THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE WHO REVELS IN OTHERS' MISERY. WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT. WHAT A SAD SACK OF CRAP.
54, who is that directed towards?
"39, for the last time, I was given an offer, and I gave up to accept that offer. Now I am not getting what I was offered, and I can't take back what I gave up.
Is that simple enough for you, simpleton?"
Have you considered the possibility that you thought you were offered more than you actually were?
I apologize if I'm kicking you when you're down a little bit. Go ahead, be angry for a bit. Just don't get hung up on how wronged you feel for two long. Life kind of sucks; no reason to dwell on it for too long.
Lol @ 52's having an offer w/o knowing how to spell ridiculous. Don't worry, it will be rescinded. EPIC FAIL
Any news on Goodwin? Rumor is they are laying ppl off today.
Dear 55, you could not be more wrong. I'm actually on my work computer, at work right now....LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!! Hope you saved for a rainy day, cuz its pooring for you sucka!
-53
Nixon Peabody mid-level litigation associate here.
There have been rumors of this for about a couple of weeks and speculation that it could be a sign of worse things to come. We are all very aware that Heller and Thelen used this technique right before they went under. I billed less than 50 hours over the past two months and that is about on par with everyone I know. Morale is very, very low. Most importantly though, is that the firm just issed a memo to all associates explicitly informing us that they no longer consider all of us to be winners. In fact, they consider us to be "festering TTT losers who couldn't get a job at a real firm." I came in this morning to find a handwritten note from a partner asking "Why coudn't you have gone to a better law school and gotten better grades - then you wouldn't have been forced to accept an offer at sinking ship of a law firm where you will eventually be fired for "performance" reasons leaving you with a suffocatingly painful pile of debt with no future prospects? " Needless to say I am more than a little disheartened by this development and will begin circulating my resume ASAP. Problem is, the fact that I work here in the first place is the result of going to a crappy law school and getting crappy grades and not too many firms are hiring staff attorney-quality lawyers right now. I'll keep you abreast of any futher developments.
57, I'm sorry that you didn't get biglaw or whatever it is you wanted, but that's no reason to take your anger out on someone WHO GOT AN OFFER AND GAVE UP TO ACCEPT THAT OFFER AND IS NOW GETTING SCREWED BEYOND BELIEF.
58---52's offer has ALREADY BEEN RESCINDED. The stupid fuck CAN'T READ the letter for SHIT.
I'm a 3L headed to biglaw (hopefully). Its not that I feel entitled to a job or to make a lot of money. I've worked very hard in school and spent a ton of money trying to achieve my goals, and then this horrible economy hits and I might lose everything I've worked for. But, I still don't feel entitled.
What pisses me off is that people on this thread are so fucking mean about it!
60/53 = unemployed TTT grad who has nothing to do and instead spends his time on ATL.
EPIC FAIL
The smell of layoffs is also emanating from somewhere around St. Louis
16, that would be true except for the lock-step thing.
22 is correct though. You chances are best if you can ride out the downturn in biglaw.
Even though many of my colleagues I have a spouses, kids and mortgages (and so desperately need our job), I do feel especially sorry for the 2Ls & 3Ls for the reasons described by 16.
Except for 9. S/he doesn't seem very nice.
61- are you really an associate? what office?
64 = self-entitled optimistic law school student who has no idea what the real legal world is like. He's gonna be a sorry son of a bitch the day he graduates.
68, *I* AM NOT NICE? HOW ABOUT THE SHITBAG THAT WENT BACK ON AN OFFER THAT I ACCEPTED, BY WHICH I GAVE UP OTHER OPPORTUNITIES?
64 = self-entitled optimistic law school student who has no idea what the real legal world is like. He's gonna be a sorry son of a bitch the day he graduates.
55/65 - LOL AT YOU. LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!
-60/53
I'm a 3L whose headed to biglaw in NYC (hopefully). It's not that I feel entitled to a job or to make a lot of money. I've worked hard in school for the past 7 years and accrued a ton of debt. It's annoying and it upsets me that this crappy economy may take everything I've worked for away - just as I was getting my foot in the door.
But, I still don't feel entitled to anything. What pisses me off is that people on this thread are so fucking mean about it!!
68, *I* AM NOT NICE? HOW ABOUT THE SHITBAG THAT WENT BACK ON AN OFFER THAT I ACCEPTED, BY WHICH I GAVE UP OTHER OPPORTUNITIES?
"57, I'm sorry that you didn't get biglaw or whatever it is you wanted, but that's no reason to take your anger out on someone WHO GOT AN OFFER AND GAVE UP TO ACCEPT THAT OFFER AND IS NOW GETTING SCREWED BEYOND BELIEF."
That's it, let it all out. Venting is healthy.
You'll start feeling better in a few days.
73/60/53 = epic fail
FUCK YOU, 76. GO FUCK OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE, DIPSHIT.
55/65 screwed + angry
53/60 employed, happy
Hope that helps...LOL at you...LOL LOL LOL!!!
According to hiring partner Hughe Jaiynus, SkaddenLA will announce layoffs tomorrow.
79 = CHRISTIAN BALE FUCKBAG WHO NEEDS A KICK IN THE ASS. I WILL FUCKING *KICK* YOU FROM HERE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GLOBE. YOU WILL BE SORRY YOU EVEN TURNED ON YOUR COMPUTER TODAY, WIMP.
HA HA HA, YOU ALL ARE SO FUNNY. CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF YOU BELIEVED THESE BULLSHIT COMMENTS.
- ALL CAPS GUY
79 = CHRISTIAN BALE FUCKBAG WHO NEEDS A KICK IN THE ASS. I WILL FUCKING *KICK* YOU FROM HERE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GLOBE. YOU WILL BE SORRY YOU EVEN TURNED ON YOUR COMPUTER TODAY, WIMP.
"FUCK YOU, 76. GO FUCK OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE, DIPSHIT."
I'm actually not mocking you; I'm completely serious. Be angry. I know I would be if the same thing happened to me.
9-you were just pushed back a couple months. NP can still come out of this. The economy can and will improve someday. So you are not screwed and wronged yet. Go travel around europe until your start date. As a senior attorney I would kill for that opportunity...
64, I hear you. I'm the poster from above who was supposed to start at Thelen. It's been a very tough road since Thelen dissolved. My best advice for you is to start networking now and getitng your resume out there. It can't hurt, and if there's some sort of massive layoff at more firms, at least you'll be out there already. Unfortunately everyone I spoke with told me that they weren't hiring, even though they liked my resume. It's very disheartening, and also very depressing to be in this situation. I hope things go better for you than they did for me.
69 - no, and your lack of perception is remakable
I hope everyone who is on here bitching about how they got screwed continues to hold that attitude throughout their job search. It will ensure every firm avoids them by a mile and will make it easier on the rest of us who got screwed but aren't ineffectually lashing out.
85, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? YOU WOULD "KILL" FOR MY OPPORTUNITY? WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TELLING ME TO SPEND MONEY ON A LUXURIOUS EUROPEAN VACATION WHEN THE JOB MARKETS SUCKS SHIT?
Seriously guys, can someone offer some substantive comments for those of us affected by this? It sucks, but oh well have. We have to put the nose to the grindstone and find other work, such is life.
"LASkadden Layoff Guy" is my new favorite poster. Please create an avatar with a funny and appropriate picture.
"HA HA HA, YOU ALL ARE SO FUNNY. CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF YOU BELIEVED THESE BULLSHIT COMMENTS.
- ALL CAPS GUY"
Well now I just feel stupid. Oh well, my life is pretty good otherwise. I guess I'll take comfort in that.
It all revolves around integrity...
86 here. 85, you're technically right, but I still think it would be smart to get your resume out there. I was optimistic that Thelen would merge with Nixon and that eveyrthing would be ok. And that was a long time ago. Things are so bad right now. I personally took the time to travel when my Thelen start date was pushed back, and it was the best thing I could have done. Definitely go travel, but also remember that Nixon may not be the golden ticket you thought it would be.
9 - I understand 9 . . . a little.
I took out loans for law school based on the assumption I could land a biglaw job and pay them off fast. My assumption was low risk: I attended a T-5 school in a boom time. It panned out, and now I've paid back a huge chunk of loans, bought house, etc.
However, if I were in school now having made the same loan/job calculation, only to have the equation changed by the recession, I would feel fairly duped and definitely panicked.
However, I agree with 47 - instead of ranting on some website, I'd be working hard on my plan B, and doing all I could to make some sort of safety net.
In fact, now that I think of it, I think most state bars have a requirement that you must finish law school in 4 years. Maybe 2Ls should take next year off from school, do something to earn some money and get some experience, then go back to school and graduate in (presumably) better times. There's probably a million flaws with that idea for the commenters to rip apart, but it beats ranting about how unfair everything is.
substantive comments:
you got screwed over. it sucks and it sucks bad.
go punch a pillow or snap a pencil into tiny bits.
update your resume.
start networking.
something will work out, eventually.
67; this is 16. You missed the point -- most recent graduates won't ever get to enjoy the "lockstep thing." That is because they will never be hired by firms that use lockstep, rather they will be forced to work in small law, getting experirence that will never be useful to a big law firm that uses lock step. Thus, they will be less likely to ever be hired by biglaw even when the economy improves. That means they will earn less over a life time. And, by the way, fewer and fewer firms are using lock step. You can expect that recent grauduates will make between 25 and 40 percent less over a life time than their peers who graduated during a boom. That's just a fact.
43: you are undoubtedly a newbie. I am sorry that you will suffer. Please consider other careers now, rather than trying to make this one work out -- Although your ppost does not reflect much in the way of reasoning ability, I am sure that you could be a good lawyer, but you were just too late to the party to make a go of it in Biglaw. So Sorry.
9, stop your fucking whining. I'm a 3L too in the same situation as you - gave up other opportunities to go with a firm that screwed me as they started collapsing. Am I dissapointed? Obviously. Do I harbor bitterness towards the firm? A bit. But coming on ATL and crying about being a victim makes you look like such an epic d-bag it's absurd.
Start looking for new prospects and pray that it isn't as bad as it looks. People will respect you if you keep a positive attitude and take proactive steps to better yourself. If you whine and feel entitled people will just look at you like a pathetic loser who doesn't know how to deal with adversity. No one said this shit would be a cakewalk.
87- no need to be such a fag
55/65/83, sorry it took me so long to reply but I am literally cramping up from laughing so hard at you. I haven't heard someone seriously call someone else a "wimp" since 1981. Hope that helps with your miserable pathetic situation. Say hi to mom and dad when you move back into the basement. LOL LOL LOL LOL
-53
53, you're old enough to remember 1981 and you still use "LOL" ... nice life.
101, LOL at you too. LOL LOL LOL
You must be a wimp!!!
Enjoy the basement 101, enjoy that basement.
-53
LOL at you wimpy!!
The ship be sinking...
98, not everyone takes the same hard stance as you. Sometimes people need to be heard, and whine a little. It's not the end of the world.
I don't understand people's desire to trash others so much. This is why people hate lawyers. We all have this me first mentality and we are so quick to laugh at other people's misery and misfortune. Why can't people just understand that the economy is bad. People are getting laid off. Firms are freezing salaries. Firms are pushing back start dates. Why do we have to make fun of people, criticize them for ranting, etc.? I understand people who want to make fun of others for feeling entitled, but for people to openly taunt and degrade those that have been laid off or had their start date pushed back is absurd. What goes around comes around. It is time for everyone to relax, stop using this time to bash people for being laid off. This time sucks for everyone.
To those that have been laid off, I am sorry. Be positive. Look at various alternatives outside of law. Volunteer. Do something to stay active. And network. Things will work out.
-BigLaw Associate who fears layoffs and wishes people would show some compassion and respect
Thank you, 106!! Be nice, people!
"What goes around comes around."
I wish this were true.
I just want to thank 55/65/101 for making me laugh so hard.
I actually do feel bad for the rest of you. Good luck to everyone but that parental mooch.
-53
FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE, INCLUDING 101:
I AM #9. THE COMMENT WAS A FAKE. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK NOW, SO I CAN'T CONTINUE POSTING.
- ALL CAPS GUY
NP: So, 9, why do you want to work her.
9: Well, I've worked *hard* for 7 years...y'know, that school and partying shit is *hard* work, so I feel that I'm entitled to a high-paying BIGLAW job.
NP: Sounds great, 9! We here at NP value BS *hard* work...and we love egotistical dickwads that think they are entitled to more than they really are. Oh, lookie here...its the mythical brass ring!
9: I'm in! Can I touch it?
NP: In time, son, in time....
106, you want "compassion and respect"? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA.
Welcome to the real world, son.
NOW GO CRY TO YOUR MOMMY, FUCKTARD.
much of the reflexive bashing and skaddenfreude (vintage ATL term not currently in disuse) is just associates on edge, fearful that their's is the next axe to drop.
don't take it personally.
112 - just remember karma's a bitch
To all you bitchy whiny little 3L douchebags, this is your wake up call to biglaw. Now you know you're nothing but an expendable billing mechanism for the equity partners that can and will be discarded with tomorrow's trash as soon as the billables are no longer there. Be glad you're getting this lesson now, instead of when you're married, supporting 2 kids and paying a mortgage, like alot of the junior and midlevel associates getting the boot today.
SkaddenLA, often affectionately referred to as Shangri-La by the clever gunner associates who populate the offices and hallways, has seen better times, says hiring partner Hughe Jainus. The place feels more like Dante's Inferno than the sun drenched utopia described in Lost Horizon.
115, I CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE POINT OF BEING MARRIED AND HAVING 2 KIDS IF I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING JOB. WOW, YOU ARE A REAL IDIOT. A REAL IDIOT, MY FRIEND.
114, exactly. And here's your karma:
FUCK YOU
Why do all of you have to be so mean?
"You're mean."
WAAAAAAAAA!!
"You're mean."
WAAAAAAAA!!
"Why?"
GO FUCK YOURSELF
I can't believe NP would make such a drastic decision right now - kills their reputation, and may actually come back to haunt them if workload increases. There will likely be more work in the fall than there is now, just as there is more work now than there was in November/December. This is a bad recession, but the economy will rebound, probably sooner than people think.
All you "the ship is sinking" people don't know what know whats going on. If your firm doesn't defer its 1st year start dates, and you don't work at Weil, then something is wrong with the managment at your firm, because no one needs a boatload of first years coming in in 6 months, especially in light of the fact there is no work coming in and natural attrition has disappeared.
It's 4 months. It's a hockey season. Quit being such a f***ing dramaqueen.
122 - continue to put your head in the sand.
makes job searching for me easier...
115 was never a 3L and knew all about biglaw before he even started lawschool. If he graduated lawschool during a shit market, he wouldn't complain, he wouldn't be scared, he wouldn't fear for his future and wonder how he's going to pay off all of his big debt. Oh no no no, 115 learned all of those lifelessons way before his time....
wow 120 you are so cool. wish i could be a dick like you all day. must be tiring. you come up with those jokes by yourself or you got a team working round the clock?
122 - I work (right now) at a V5 firm. Good luck with you search.
127 - oh, fucking lols, you douchebag.
enjoy your tiny pink life.
OCEANS RISE
CITIES FALL
QUINN REMAINS
OCEANS RISE
CITIES FALL
QUINN REMAINS
OCEANS RISE
CITIES FALL
QUINN REMAINS
#9- you don't seem to understand that you accepted an offer of at will employment, which means it can disappear at any second.
Your failure to understand that suggests you'd be a lousy lawyer.
Latham start dates in LA have been pushed back to January 2010...WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN REPORTED ON ATL?!
Evan here, writing from Miami, packing up for another Asia trip this weekend.
TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK WE'RE BEING TOO "MEAN," WELL, YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF NAIVE PRICKS WHO CAN'T OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE REAL WORLD.
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
DON'T HAVE SUCH THICK SKIN. GET USED TO PEOPLE FUCKING YOU OVER.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
OK? IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. JUST REMEMBER:
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES
BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME
This is why I work so hard for the proletariat.
Any updates on the deferral stipends?
I have a question: For those junior associates still employed at their firms, do you think any amount of constructive criticism during your review is an indicator that you may be out the door soon? Are firms giving glowing reviews to those they're 100% sure they want to keep?
When did ATL turn into jdunderground?
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!
Hey 122,
I'd be willing to bet, based on the latest news of partner cuts and the loss of the technology stipend that Weil defers its start date until at least October.
23/38 - Well played.
133: speaking as an incoming associate to Latham LA, I can report that your info is incorrect for now, they yet to announce start dates.
Is it too much to ask people on this message board to have a little compassion for our colleagues who have just lost their jobs? It is disturbing to see how inconsiderate and tone deaf some of you are toward others.
I am very fortunate to work in a busy counter-cyclical practice group at a top 100 law firm. Nevertheless, I can empathize with everyone who is suffering. I realize every day how blessed I am.
Just because we’re attorneys does not mean that we have to treat people like crap. Many of the people who have lost their jobs have families to support. If possible, show a little empathy, compassion, and humanity toward others. You could be laid off tomorrow.
Thanks,
A Nice Guy in BigLaw
144: It takes a big man to cry. But it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
The Thelen deferral stipend was $10,000 too. That same $10,000 was our dissolution money too. Certainly not enough to provide for me over the past 6 months.
Nixon infected by the Thelen virus, who is next to succumb??!!
Nixon infected by the Thelen virus, who is next to succumb??!!
146- how much did you get, after tax, from that $10,000?
146- how much did you get, after tax, from that $10,000?
"I came in this morning to find a handwritten note from a partner asking "Why coudn't you have gone to a better law school and gotten better grades - then you wouldn't have been forced to accept an offer at sinking ship of a law firm where you will eventually be fired for "performance" reasons leaving you with a suffocatingly painful pile of debt with no future prospects? ""
61: I call total BS on this. No NP partner would do this.
- NP Associate
OCEANS RISE
CITIES FALL
QUINN REMAINS WITH EGG ON ITS FACE(BOOK)
Every time I read the comments on ABL, I am reminded why I shouldn't read the comments.
106 and 144, thanks! This isn't just one firm screwing over their associates, it's the entire industry/economy. This is definitely not the time to point and laugh at those who lost their jobs or might be losing their jobs. Your jobs might be next. I'm pretty sure the NP folks didn't expect it, especially when the firm just opened new offices and absorbed Thelen folks.
no comment on how much you took home from the 10K?
NP Partners are scum. Run while you have a chance.
NP Partners are scum. Run while you have a chance.
NP Partners are scum. Run while you have a chance.
ATL comments are now officially 100% worthless. I can't believe I wasted my time reading this stupid thread...and I can't believe some of you succumb to the panic these 13 year olds are trying to produce.
None of this is solid information. Pushing back start dates is going to be the norm in this economy. No one knows what the future will bring but worrying won't do anything...and neither will listening to 13 year olds who are posting on here to fuck with you. 70% of these posters are not lawyers or law students.
ATL comments are now officially 100% worthless. I can't believe I wasted my time reading this stupid thread...and I can't believe some of you succumb to the panic these 13 year olds are trying to produce.
None of this is solid information. Pushing back start dates is going to be the norm in this economy. No one knows what the future will bring but worrying won't do anything...and neither will listening to 13 year olds who are posting on here to fuck with you. 70% of these posters are not lawyers or law students.