Notes from the Breadline:
You Can’t Go Back, and You Can’t Stand Still
Ed. note: Welcome to the latest installment of “Notes from the Breadline,” a column by a laid-off lawyer in New York. Prior columns are collected here. You can reach Roxana St. Thomas by email, at roxanastthomas@gmail.com, or find her on Facebook.
There are certain pieces of news that no one wants to deliver, and which seem so unpalatable that the need to announce them induces dread, discomfort, or simply the desire to hide in one’s apartment and alphabetize the bookshelf. Examples of such revelations might include “I wrecked the car,” “There’s a typo in your tattoo,” “Your boyfriend belongs to the Celine Dion Fan Club,” or “I forgot to save the document, and then my computer crashed.” Having the ensuing conversation is sure to be unpleasant; knowing that you’ll probably have it every day is enough to make the standard bikini wax, by comparison, seem delightful.
But the wheel is turning; you may not be able to hold on, but you can’t let go. If, like me, you are fired abruptly (and without a generous parting gift from the sponsor), it does not take long to realize that time is among the luxuries not included in your severance package. You have approximately one day, give or take a few hours, to stare into space pondering your fate, wonder why you didn’t throw a paperweight, kick over a chair, or scream “fuck you!” during the meeting at which you were “terminated,” and debate whether it is too late to eat a large meal, return to the assignment partner’s office, and induce vomiting. After that, take a deep breath. Notwithstanding widespread belief to the contrary, they weren’t kidding. And, although being “terminated” sounds like a CIA euphemism for “being killed,” it is, in fact, both far better and way more complicated; if the firm simply had you ‘disappeared’ (an option that many have probably contemplated), your to-do list would be considerably shorter. For better or worse, the fact is that when your job ends, the work begins.
So, if you find yourself tasked with this unwelcome new avocation, where to begin? As a preliminary matter, take note: post-employment may feel more like a stress test than a learning experience, but there are certainly lessons to be derived from the floundering, confusion, and free-flowing advice that characterize its early days.
Among them are a few basic (but helpful) concepts. First: tell everyone. Second: be prepared for the responses, from the ridiculous to the sublime, which will invariably pour in.
Read about some of the suggestions, after the jump.
Shortly after my unceremonious discharge (or, as I learned to call it, “being fired”), I heard a piece on the radio entitled The Silver Lining, which featured the author of a book with the gratingly cheerful title No Job? No Prob!: How to Pay Your Bills, Feed Your Mind, and Have a Blast When You’re Out of Work Despite my initial urge to go directly to the radio station and throttle any person who had the audacity to suggest, with exclamation-pointed ebullience, that being jobless could be viewed as a groovy break from the grind of annoying, time consuming employment, I listened on. To be certain, both the author and most of the callers appeared to be viewing unemployment from the distant shore of what I thought of as Workistan - the state in which one arrives after a period of joblessness, and from which being out of work seems unfettered and romantic; a time to sit in cafes, read your untouched New Yorker issues, and window-shop for things you can’t buy but probably didn’t have room for in your apartment anyway (whew!).
Moreover, none of them seemed to have experienced a layoff under the circumstances now faced by an entire generation of lawyers. It might be easy to relax if you were relatively confident about your job prospects, but the sheer number of jobless attorneys clogging the market made me wonder how far we were from gathering in parking lots to solicit potential employers for day work. Summary judgment motion? I can do that! TRO? I’ll do it for less than that guy! I pictured crowds of lawyers in bespoke suits, clamoring for a spot in the back of the pickup truck that would take them to an office - any office - for a day of research and document drafting, hunched over in low light.
Still: they had several good points, among them the importance of routinely announcing that one was “between opportunities.” In fact, one caller told of not one but two random encounters (during which she mentioned that she was out of work) which led to real, live, full time jobs. It was true, I thought, listening to the show: anyone could have an idea, a connection, or a lead on a position. And, notwithstanding the irritatingly upbeat tone of the show’s callers, there was something to be said for coming clean. Spending your days desperately e-mailing resumes from the public library is unappealing, but why hide it? I had observed creepy men openly and notoriously surfing for porn on You Tube; pursuing employment, on the other hand, was at least arguably more dignified.
Having determined that I would “come out” to anyone who would listen, I realized that both time and method were of the essence. Announcing that you have lost your job is like having a terribly ugly boyfriend; you want to prepare people early, if only to manage expectations. The modern world is kind to us in this regard: a simple e-mail can save you from having The Conversation countless times, facing the inevitable awkward silence, and being forced to explain that you are not, in fact, trying to perpetuate an elaborate ruse.
I decided to send one e-mail to my family and another to friends and colleagues. (Note: if your family members lack technical skill, and are likely to send a “reply all” message in which pet names or childhood stuffed animals are mentioned, you might want to consider this tactic.) My e-mail to friends announced that I was among the recently downsized, and that I had decided to spread the word, just in case someone had an idea or an insight. I did not ask for help, but offered my resume to anyone who might want it; it seemed important to explain, without saying so, that I did not assume that my lawyer friends could do anything to help me. I knew that many of them were as precariously situated as I had been, and I did not want them to feel guilty. I did not attempt to sound quite as upbeat or casual in the e-mail to my family. Moreover, I warned them, “I got a shitty severance package, so don’t say things like, ‘think of it as an unplanned vacation!’”
Should you find yourself in this unfortunate situation, the silver lining may, in fact, be the heartbreaking degree of generosity and kindness with which most friends and family members respond. But - without diminishing, in any way, the gift of support and encouragement - be warned: once your news is out there, the floodgates are open. And, I learned, once advice is given or help offered, there is an unspoken expectation that you will take it - and take it gladly.
One cousin wrote, “We’ll keep our fingers crossed as you search for a new job and will send along any suggestions, most of which will be bone-headed I am sure.” This sentiment was followed by a boneheaded suggestion. My father, with whom I had not lived since I was 17, offered me a place to stay. He added that “room, board, incidentals are free if you need them,” and mentioned that my old teddy bear could be summoned back into service. He also seized the opportunity to opine on the evils of capitalism, writing that “having lived through all Grandma and Grandpa’s Depression stories, I know that this has nothing do with anyone’s worth. I agree with mentioning your situation to everybody and most emphatically with not hanging your head in shame. That was one of the multiple things I learned from Grandma and Grandpa, who had a hell of a lot of experience with unemployment, and taught me that what one earns, or does not, in a capitalist society is ABSOLUTELY NO MEASURE of one’s intrinsic worth intellectually, spiritually, or in any other way.” Several months later, my father still begins every conversation with, “So, are you going to lose your apartment?” and, invariably, finds a way to blame my situation on the Bush administration.
My stepmother told me that I “should not be ashamed” to come and stay with her, adding that “there are lots of great singles events at the Y!” and that “maybe you can finally meet someone!” My mother sent me a listing for a job in Buffalo; when I told her that I did not want to think about relocating just yet, and especially not to Buffalo, she seemed hurt. “You wouldn’t have to relocate,” she said impatiently. “Buffalo is seven hours away,” I told her. “What would I do? Commute?” She looked at me as though I had just declined a piece of homemade pie. “Hmphf,” she sniffed. “You know, it pays a lot more than unemployment.”
Friends were also supportive, although a number of them suggested that I take an impromptu vacation, or at least engage in activities which, as a soon-to-be unemployed person, suddenly seemed off-limits. “Oh Roxana,” one wrote, “I am so sorry! Greed has put a lot of the world in such a bad situation. I hope you find something soon! Well, we’re thinking of going skiing this weekend, if you are interested. Let me know!” Another responded, “Really sorry to hear that! Yes, please send me your resume. Hey, just think of the bright side — you can come be a beach bum with me all summer!” I winced upon reading that. All summer? Six months from now? The thought made me shudder.
Another friend reminded me of an idea I’d had, and promptly forgotten. “Oh, Sweetie,” her e-mail began. “I am so sorry to hear this. But now it totally makes sense that you were asking how to get a fish into the dropped ceiling in your office.” No, I wanted to tell her: it doesn’t really make sense. But it might go well with the egg.
So, I learned, telling people that I had been laid off could be cathartic, even comforting. It was also a lot easier than I thought it would be, and became more so as time went on. In fact, it may have become too easy. Toward the end of the week I was “terminated,” I decided to make one last trip to the overpriced neighborhood ice cream store (a casualty of my austerity plan).
“Roxana!” the girl behind the counter exclaimed when I walked in. “I haven’t seen you in, like, a million years!”
“I got fired!” I said automatically. She stared at me blankly, unsure how to react. I realized, suddenly, that I had said too much. Being laid off was the biggest thing that had happened to me that week, but, to a relative stranger, it was no more interesting than the unprompted revelation of what I’d had for dinner, or the news that puppies are cute.
“Sorry,” I mumbled. “I’ll have a large.”
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Roxana St. Thomas is a laid-off lawyer living in New York. You can reach her by email, at roxanastthomas@gmail.com, or find her on Facebook.




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you post this shit, but ignore stories of biglaw partners murdering people?
site f*cking blows
1Ls are horrified http://www.blackbooklegal.com
1Ls are horrified http://www.blackbooklegal.com First
Awful time of day to post this. Pls repost tomorrow @ 1pm. Tks.
this is far and away the best thing on ATL
Okay, 1, I'll bite. Care to elaborate just a bit?
This is great stuff. (Though not for the person involved.) Hire this writer.
These are great posts... but please ask Rox to condense these into smaller more bite sized pieces. Reading this (and writing this) takes up too precious time I could be spending on looking for a job.
Why do people even go to schools like SMU or TTU? Stop whining about the breadline if you went to one of these schools. UTLAW 4 life. hth.
Any word on Latham?
Self-important much? She writes as if she is part of some great historic horde of unemployed lawyers. Sorry, but it ain't so, at least outside of NYC.
this is terrifying to read. keep it coming.
1, what are you talking about? Got a link, there, buddy?
Nicely written, again - poignant and darkly humorous.
These columns are great: well written, and your tone is perfect. Good luck and please keep writing.
Pls Hndle Thx and Legal Eagle Wedding Watch were my favorite ATL features - until Breadlines.
Nice work, Roxie.
The author is the ultimate drama queen. Youre entire family weren’t just killed in a fire, you got laid off. Get some perspective. If youre this emotionally fragile in real life then you really need professional help.
1 - If you're talking about the Robert Wone case, ATL has covered it before. It is, sadly, old news (sadly because nobody has been brought to justice).
Click on the image for a closer look. It's a very nice photoshopping job.
Roxana, if you did this, you're a woman of many talents.
did any of you big law firm geniuses recognize the caption of this installment as a line from the Grateful Dead song "The Wheel?" I guess my decision to leave big law firm life and take a low paying, no perk, lousy office space, no car service job as a federal attorney doesn't look so bad after all.
the wheel is turning and you can't slow down
you can't let go and you can't hold on
you can't go back
and you can't stand still
if the thunder don't get you
then the lightening will
Unemployed lawyer breadlines? The Simpsons already did this a few years back:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/iHYzo5in6GU/
Check out the 10:30 mark (yes, it's on the Chinese version of YouTube...screw copyrights).
18, I'm not 1, but ATL barely covered the Robert Wone case. That said, this probably isn't the correct forum to complain about the lack of coverage, and Roxana's article is, like her others, superb.
If anyone is interested in the Wone case, you can find out more information at :
http://whomurderedrobertwone.com/
the day laborer analogy was awesome.
17 - are you able to recognize a writing style employing hyperbole? Idiot.
The comment of lots of singles at the "Y" intrigues me. I'm assuming Roxana means BYU.
By the way Roxana, Texas firms still have work.
Best piece ever posted on ATL. Well done.
Sidley NY is reeling. All the stealth cuts were done in the fall. Phase B commences shortly. When its over, it won't even resemble the same place.
Not to nit pick, but I suspect the author has not spent much time either in public libraries or surfing for porn. Youtube does not have any pornographic content, Youporn does, and I doubt that the users of the NY public libraries are morons.
Poetic license perhaps?
10- Rumors that there will be layoffs at LW, focused on 1st/2nd years
if the thunder dont get you, than the lightning will.
Oh btw, the rumor is that the layoffs at LW will happen this week. Hold on to your butts
The first installment was intriguing. The second installment was O.K. But now? *YAWN* Nothing new here. Lots of people getting laid off. You're nothing special. Quit whining for heaven's sake.
As an aside, I am surprised the author only had THREE realizations in this installment. Quite a drop from her usual dozen or so.
Summary of Notes from the Bread Line:
I was laid off. I had a million realizations that I have no longer have a job. I am not really in the bread line, rather I am living in the best city in the world. Did I mention I was laid off? Finally, I no longer have a job.
Link to job in Buffalo, plz?
I've learned after visiting that's its really not such a bad place
32 and 33...classic a-holes.
Sounds like her family (her father at least) was being pretty supportive, and this is a reason to attack them... why exactly?
Also, does anyone remember that Opinionista blog? I'm pretty sure this is the same person. It has almost the exact same level of mild interest to anyone involved in the industry, except expressed in six times as many words as would otherwise be necessary.
I'm going to give you a little advice. There's a force in the universe that makes things happen. And all you have to do is get in touch with it, stop thinking, let things happen, and be the ball.
I lived in Buffalo and if you can deal with a six month winter and three months of fetid humidity the COL is low and the local cuisine is great.
Also 20: "YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR WHEN THE WALL'S CAVED IN" Bob Weir
Too long. Too wordy. Got bored. Couldn't finish.
just cry URL: http://www.bettyconfidential.com/ar/ld/a/a_good_cry.html
STFU, no one cares that it sucks you got fired.
Are you kidding? We get this? What about Ann E. Adams. She lost her job too. A NY State Supreme Court (trial court) judge resigned because he swore out a FALSE affidavit for her.
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/586548.html
I wonder what she was doing in the car with him in the parking lot?
LOL at #37.
I like this series, even though it does tend towards the melodramatic. Bottom line: Glad I'm not Roxana.
I really enjoy this column - expecially since right now it is a topic I'm very interested in and I have the time to read it.
[after chugging a whole bottle of Jack without a pause for air] Thanks. I needed that.
[chucks the bottle behind him, which shatters on the hood of the car behind him]
Pillsbury's Voluntary Reduction Program is perhaps quite the most creative and inventive solution to the crisis we have seen thus far. Finally, a plan that shows the business acumen and forward-thinking approach of a major international law firm. Pillsbury will be well-positioned to take advantage of this environment.
Roxana, don't let the haters get you down. You have many fans. For every one critic, there are several of us in the silent (or not so silent) majority.
Dad sounds kind of cool, actually, for a dad. Nothing wrong with a little politically-oriented "this is is no way your fault" parental support paired with "i actually like you enough that i would be willing to live with you again" affirmation, no matter how unlikely a kid is to take it up.
I enjoy these pieces and don't really think it makes sense to comment on them as if they're non-fiction, but to the extent that they really are autobiographical, I would suggest that the author write up a list of her current assets and include "very supportive family". A lot of us cannot say the same.
I understand that the writer is in a difficult situation and sympathize. She writes very well and the posts are interesting reads. They seem to have reached the point, though, where she is coming off as someone who is more concerned with complaining about her situation then proactively dealing with finding work. Certainly, there are hordes of lawyers out of work and finding employment must be a nightmare, but these posts would be more interesting if they focused on the struggles of an out of work lawyer trying to find a new position. We understand that it sucks to be laid off. Tell us what you are actually doing now that it has happened.
32, 33, and 41: It's a column about a lawyer who got laid off. If you find that topic boring, don't read the f**king column.
I'm with 50. Don't like it, don't read it.
This is column #4. You can't say you didn't know what you were getting into.
I'm with 49. The earlier posts were great because there was a lot more "showing" than "telling." I liked the descriptive style. This post was more reflective and probably very good for the writer to get down on paper, but I'd like to see a picture of what is happening in terms of applying for jobs, waiting for interview calls, rejection emails, etc.
This is perfect long-form legal gossip blogging. I shudder to think of having to catch up on old New Yorkers.
Love your column Ms. St Thomas !
Q though - do you have a vomit fetish, or possibly a recovering bulimic ? The fantasy and imagery of vomit and vomitting seems to come up a lot.
please investigate stealth layoffs disguised as performance related going on at boston firms like foley hoag, bingham MccuTTTchen and others
Really look forward to reading this! Very well written and humorous.
Don't know if I'll get laid off or not.
I went to see a managing partner, strangest I could find.
Laid my proposition down, laid it on the line.
I told him that I won't slave for beggars pay, likewise gold and jewels.
But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools.
was this written as some elaborate (and likely useless) mnemonic for the SAT verbal?
BigLaw senior partner, here, looking forward to hitting six shows on The Dead's Spring Tour. Timing is everything, kids.
BigLaw senior partner, here, looking forward to hitting six shows on The Dead's Spring Tour. Timing is everything, kids.
28 - took the words out of my mouth. There is no porn on Youtube, and I can't possibly imagine old men sitting around a library obviously surfing porn. This column is pretty good, but factually suspect.
the day laborer thing is a total ripoff. on youtube there are a bunch of high-production value videos of lawyers standing around like day laborerers fighting to to articles and incorporation and stuff for some guy in a crappy little pickup. in the end he squeezes like 12 in the back and they drive off.
rip offffffff.
otherwise, well-written. (aside from the plagiarism of dead songs, and other writers).
this is getting boring
Agree with 63. Liked the first 2, this one was like the last 3 pages of that brief that just rehashed the first 45.
The writing was, to be kind, horrible.
Epic SHIT Fail
If you wrote a book, I would buy it. Thank you for your writing.
This didn't do it for me. The ironic work-site reference is stale, the family dialogues are cliched Mac versus PC narratives. And the character's gratuitous snark, obvious self-regard, and pretentious urbanity makes her much less likeable now. She is not one of us, but rather the one of us who thought thiings would be different for her.
Call me crazy, but why is living rent and incidentals free with dad such a crazy idea? You have no idea how long this could last and the earlier you kill your overhead the better. Ain't no shame in leaning on family in situations like this, pride is your enemy.
Are you people kidding with your nit-picky critiques? FIrst of all, there is plenty of porn on YouTube. Search any sex-related term. Second, the NYPL doesn't block YouTube, so there are people there who look at it all the time on the computers there. Third, I have certainly never seen a lawyer work-site reference before, so maybe it's not as universal as you smart-asses think.
68 is right. For all of Rox's realizations, one of them hasn't been "I might go dead broke before getting a new job." She probably doesn't have serious loan obligations. Or she's stupid.
"She probably doesn't have serious loan obligations."
What is your basis for saying that? Even the Obamas had student loans for many years (until Barack's books became bestsellers).
71 - Just conjecture. If you get laid off in this climate, don't you need to think about getting out of New York ASAP? Assuming she has a full load of debt, she couldn't have saved much by now, and those payments combined with rent and the incidentals her dad is offering will break the bank, and probably quickly. I'd assume she'd show more interest in moving in with her family and wouldn't mock her dad for wondering if she's lost the apartment yet. I'm wondering the same thing, if she does have student loans.
20, I think it's more a function of age. This board is geared toward associates, and to make you feel old, many or perhaps most were in high school in 1995.
59/60, I am wondering if I know you.
Roxanna, let your inspiration flow till your tale is told and done.
72 -- if you're from New York, why, exactly, would you "need to think about getting out of New York ASAP?" It's home. Where are you going to go? Move to the suburbs? For what?
72 - I'm with 74. She shouldn't be expected to move out of New York within a few days of losing her job. How does that make sense? And is she really "mocking her dad"? It seems like she's pointing out a common reaction that people have, which is well-meaning but can still be stressful.
I don't know why people are attacking this woman's writing so harshly. I find this series a humorous and moderately insightful take on a situation that many of us fear and dread. I particularly enjoyed the line about the cousin's "boneheaded suggestion" disclaimer being followed by an actual boneheaded suggestion.
RE: Robert Wone murder mentioned in other comments. Can ATL take a look at this?
The cases involve a number of high profile DC attorneys. Eric Holder represented Robert's widow in the wrongful death suit before he was named as AG. The DC Superious Court holds a hearing on motions in that case on Friday.
RE: Robert Wone murder mentioned in other comments. Can ATL take a look at this?
The cases involves a number of high profile DC attorneys. Eric Holder represented Robert's widow in the wrongful death suit before he was named as AG. The DC Superious Court holds a hearing on motions in that case on Friday.
RE: Robert Wone murder mentioned in other comments. Can ATL take a look at this?
The cases involves a number of high profile DC attorneys. Eric Holder represented Robert's widow in the wrongful death suit before he was named as AG. The DC Superious Court holds a hearing on motions in that case on Friday.
RE: Robert Wone murder mentioned in other comments. Can ATL take a look at this?
The cases involves a number of high profile DC attorneys. Eric Holder represented Robert's widow in the wrongful death suit before he was named as AG. The DC Superious Court holds a hearing on motions in that case on Friday.
My guess is that working for a "big law" firm, and pulling in six figures, she probably paid off her student loan debt and possibly has some savings to fall back on, at least for a while. As long as she can afford to keep her apartment (no mention of roommates) might as well do so and hope to find another job soon.
I'd say, however, given the apparent large numbers of laid off attorneys I keep reading about, staying in NYC might be difficult.
Hey all - Apologies for the multiple blast on the above comment. My PC and ISP suck.
Having gone through not one layoff from BIGLAW, but two in the last Tech Bust recession (2001-1003), I can sympathize. Getting let go can be both a financially and mentally devastating experience. For those of you eager to judge this writer, I say try walking a mile in her shoes. A lot of young and old lawyers, like many hard working professionals, wrap a lot of their self worth in their career. It is not healthy, but it requires a hell of a lot of self awareness to realize that there is more to life than the job. I wish the writer, who I understand is in reality still out of work, the best of luck.
Having gone through not one layoff from BIGLAW, but two in the last Tech Bust recession (2001-1003), I can sympathize. Getting let go can be both a financially and mentally devastating experience. For those of you eager to judge this writer, I say try walking a mile in her shoes. A lot of young and old lawyers, like many hard working professionals, wrap a lot of their self worth in their career. It is not healthy, but it requires a hell of a lot of self awareness to realize that there is more to life than the job. I wish the writer, who I understand is in reality still out of work, the best of luck.