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ATL Book Club: Above the Law Author Tim Green

Above the Law book.jpgTim Green is a lawyer, bestselling author, and former NFL player. His forthcoming legal thriller is called Above the Law, which meant ATL had to sit down with him for an interview.

We remembered Green from his playing days with the Atlanta Falcons. Since we don’t know many linebacker lawyers, we had to know why Green decided to go to law school in the first place:

I was an English major in college and I love to read. I love to write….

I didn’t want to leave the NFL as an ex-NFL player with an English degree. I thought, what if I got a law degree? I was also also attracted to the notion of competition in the court, as a trial lawyer. I thought I’d match my wits and strategy and presentation against others. I always thought that would be exciting and fun.

Green graduated from Syracuse University College of Law in 1994. But he didn’t stop playing in the NFL until 1993. Put the two together and you come to the shocking conclusion that Green was earning his law degree while playing professional football:

I enjoyed it. I liked being at school. I liked the dichotomy of spending half of my year immersed in a rough physical world, and spending the other half of my year with people who were thoughtful, intelligent, and well read.

After the jump, we learn that Above the Law is a story about a lawyer Green believes is inside most attorneys.

Tim Green photo.JPGAbove the Law is Green’s second book featuring Casey Jordan, the heroine of Green’s 2001 title The Letter of the Law. We meet Casey just after she’s given up the Biglaw life to work for a small legal clinic in Texas.

I’ve read many stories about lawyers who give up big-time law for a small time practice. But I’ve never actually met such a person in real life. Neither has Green, but he thinks that there is a little piece of Casey Jordan in most lawyers:

I think that Casey Jordan is the part of every big-time lawyer’s personality that usually never gets its way. I think that every lawyer that is financially successful or has garnered a lot of attention has a part of them that fantasizes about what it would be like to be doing good things for people with their legal knowledge. Not trying to profit from it.

I think almost everybody who has been to law school has a part of that in them, otherwise you probably wouldn’t go to law school.

Not that Green has anything against profit. His law degree isn’t just for show; he’s an actual practicing attorney in upstate New York:

I have a practice now that does quite well….

It’s a general practice. Most of what I do is rainmaking and putting deals together. Most of my clients are in the energy and utility sector, though now my firm also has an IP practice group.

Green says his firm is weathering the recession just fine, but (sadly) the firm is not hiring.

A lot of the plot of Above the Law involves immigration and border issues in Texas and Mexico. They’re not the kinds of legal issues one normally finds in upstate New York, so Green had to do a lot of research. We asked him what he learned during his research that would surprise people who don’t live in Texas:

I think people have this sense that illegal immigrants are just having the time of their lives over here. And they’re really not. I think they live in a state of fear. When you understand the rules and the laws and the whimsical decisions that can be made…. It’s frightening…. I’m not trying to say that there are not good reasons for the law s that are on the books, I’m just trying to say that it is a broad brush.

The difficulties that a lot of characters face in Above the Law are compounded by their general lack of money and resources:

I really believe that the system has an imbalance based on economics. I think that if you can afford to have the best lawyers, experts and investigators. The system works almost all the time. But those are three pretty big ifs. And what determines those ifs is your socioeconomic status…. If you’ve got money, the system works. If you don’t you, you know what I’m saying? You need to be fortunate.

The beauty of fiction is that you can change the rules to make it more of a fair fight:

I’ve got this A-list lawyer and this A-list investigator, and I put them on to the legal team for somebody who otherwise would not have that.

And that’s where I think the legal system goes awry….

So I do enjoy with these stories, having a lawyer of Casey’s caliber representing people who otherwise would never have this kind of lawyer.

Not that Casey has things easy. Her goals and her ideas about justice change over the course of the story:

I think that all of us as lawyers come to understand what is inherent in legal disputes of every kind … that there rarely is a perfect resolution. If you can just get things to lean your way or lean to the side of justice just a bit, then you have to celebrate that as a a success and move on.

But Green certainly thinks that all of the internal and external struggle is worth it:

Most people look at having a law degree as something that is admirable, lawyer jokes aside….

I recommend law school to a lot of people, even if they don’t have a specific goal in mind. The most important influence that law school had on me is that it teaches you to think about every situation, interaction and human being from multiple angles…. That is the genies of tolerance and compassion and good decision making.

Tim Green has written twelve previous thrillers and the nonfiction New York Times bestseller The Dark Side of the Game. He played eight years in the NFL and is a member of the New York State Bar. Tim also writes a series of middle grade novels for young readers set in the world of sports. He lives with his wife and five children in upstate New York. For more information about the author, visit www.timgreenbooks.com.

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:02 PM

Graduated college in 1994, stopped playing nfl in 1993...
I guess spellcheck doesn't catch everything.

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:05 PM

pretty interesting life this guy has led

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:07 PM

Syracuse Law - so easy a caveman could do it

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:13 PM

Congrats to Green. I like reading stories about people who plan ahead, knowing their career is short-lived. Of course, Alan Page did this in the 70s. Attended Minnesota and graduated B4 he left the NFL. Now is Associate Justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court. And still looking good!
http://anonymouscontractlawyer.blogspot.com

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:14 PM

NFL Hall of Famer Alan Page also went to law school while playing in the NFL as a Minnesota Viking (he was one of the "Purple People Eaters"). Now a justice on the Minnesota Supreme Court.

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:14 PM

#3 - are you kidding? Green played 8 years in the NFL, went to law school while still in the NFL, is a practicing lawyer, has a large family, and has written numerous books and bestsellers. Each of those are impressive accomplishments. What have you done?

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:19 PM

and he's pretty...

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:20 PM

"thoughtful, intelligent, and well read" people...

Where did he meet people like that. I thought this guy went to Syracuse?

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:28 PM

He went to a scrub school, doesn't practice the kind of law he gets preachy about, and makes money out of writing misleading tracts about legal practice purportedly from the standpoint of a practitioner. He's trying to pull together Biglaw+ money with Biglaw- credentials and practice. I admire TG's hustle, but this is hucksterism pure and simple.

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 4:54 PM

says the pasty, pudgy drone doing document review...

yah, you're MUCH more successful than this guy...

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:01 PM

Of all the things you could crack about, you stuck with skin tone and weight... then you talked about, lol, "success" in the law. Good luck during 2L at TTT, these next two will definitely be the best years of what's left of your pathetic life.

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:02 PM

#3 = hilarious

#6 = caveman

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:07 PM

Worst announcer ever.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:38 PM

I don't follow football, but from lawyers that were in his class, I understand Steve Young attended BYU law while playing for the 49'ers. Apparently, he often slept on other students' sofas when he couldn't make it back to his house in the mountains above Provo.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:38 PM

Comments like 3 & 8 make me realize that law is really filled with the biggest geeks and losers of our society. Look at what this guy has accomplished: http://www.timgreenbooks.com/about.php. And you are going to make fun of him for going to SU? Go jerk off on you HLS diploma while you are stuck in your tiny office at 2 a.m. moving commas in a merger agreement. Sorry guys like Tim Green kicked your ass and banged the hot girls you secretly admired in H.S.

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 5:54 PM

Hall of Fame member Alan Page also went to law school while playing in the NFL as a Minnesota Viking. He was one of the "Purple People Eaters." He is now a justice on the Minnesota Supreme Court.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM

Well played, 15.

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 7:43 PM

Allan Page >>> this guy.

HOFer
Better law school
State SC Justice

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 8:59 PM

Outstanding 15. Green has probably banged more hot chicks than every poster on this board combined.

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 9:01 PM

Either have the balls to drive to his office and say the same things or stfu...

O.K., you went to a better law school, but how good was the football team you played for?

D-bags really do abound on this site...

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 9:05 PM

Rock on, Tim.

Probably, you had a ghostwriter. Jotted some ideas on paper, let some smart Harvard kid from a trailer park family who needed the extra cash pick up your commas. I don't care. You realized that law sucks, but you could cash in on our name, your bio, make a pretty penny. Beats the hell out of what 98.6% or your NFL colleagues have done.

And you're right. We all wish we could become small town lawyers. Because we don't know what small town law entails. We think it's noble when it's just as much hustle, maybe more so.

But I don't need to tell you that. You're Tim Green.

So pump me out another novel. Maybe you're no Grisham, but that's all the better. I'd rather read your book anyday.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 9:52 PM

Mystal, go on vacation and don't come back. This is the best thing you can do for ATL and its readers. Tim Green's earlier book was advertised on the New York City subways. I guess he can't afford to pay for the subway advertisement and uses ATL to hock his junk. Not only you're unable to write, but you are also unable to read as well. Lat, do something about Mystal.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, February 13, 2009 10:55 PM

he has to be an idiot if even as a pro footballl player SU was the best he could do. iveys drool all over "unique" candidates.

15 = whiny beotch who's obsessed with losing his virginity.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:27 PM

Tim Green is from Syracuse and went to Syracuse University undergrad, where he played football, was co-valedictorian and Phi Beta Kappa.

He is hot, married his high school sweetheart, has 5 kids, and may have been a Rhodes Scholar finalist (not sure about that one).

Yeah, the guys sucks.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:24 PM

Tim Green was a Rhodes Scholar candidate.

He went to law school Jan. to May, that is why it took 6 or so years for him to finish.

He is a great guy.

http://www.syracusehalloffame.com/pages/inductees/1995/tim_green.html

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:24 PM

Tim Green was a Rhodes Scholar candidate.

He went to law school Jan. to May, that is why it took 5 or so years for him to finish.

He is a great guy.

http://www.syracusehalloffame.com/pages/inductees/1995/tim_green.html

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:26 PM

Tim Green was an awesome player for the Falcons

2 LIGIT 2 QUIT

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:02 PM

Since we're talking about NFL players who turned into successful lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_White

That guy had one hell of a resume.

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:02 PM

Since we're talking about NFL players who turned into successful lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_White

That guy had one hell of a resume.

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