Nationwide Layoff Watch: Clifford Chance Lays Off 24 New York Associates, Pushes Back Start Dates
Clifford Chance has made a significant move today, as more firms try to find creative ways to handle the global economic crisis.
But first, let’s get the obvious stuff out of the way. Above the Law has learned that the firm is letting go of 24 of its New York associates. In a press statement from the firm, a Clifford Chance spokesperson reported:
Clifford Chance today told 24 transactional associates in its New York office they would be laid off due to continuing sluggishness in the market. The firm also anticipates laying off Business Services personnel in New York following a review that is expected to be completed shortly.
We also understand that some first year associates in New York were let go today.
Clifford Chance laid off 20 U.S. litigators in October, and a number of London attorneys in January.
But perhaps the more interesting news is Clifford Chance’s initiative for its incoming first years. Details after the jump.
The calls started going out this morning to Clifford Chance’s incoming first year class. After weeks of planning, the firm has decided to push back start dates until 2010.
But as firms all across the country try to come up with novel ways of dealing with the expected lack of work for first year attorneys this fall, Clifford Chance has one of the more complicated plans we’ve seen.
The firm will be asking around 20 incoming first year associates to start in January, 2010. Meanwhile, the rest of the class — around 30 associates — will be asked to start in October, 2010. The firm will ask for volunteers to defer through the fall of 2010. If they don’t get enough, we understand that there will be some sort of lottery to split up the class.
First years starting in January will receive a deferral stipend of $10,000. That’s about double the market for what other incoming associates will receive if their start date has just been pushed back to January.
For the full year deferral, delayed first years will receive $5,000 a month if they are able to secure public interest work. But a firm spokesperson informs Above the Law that Clifford Chance will still make some money available for associates who are unable to get a public interest position:
During months pro bono or public service work is not available — or if those being deferred choose to pursue more personal interests (e.g., travel ) — we will pay a monthly stipend of $3,335.
So, that’s about $40K for people who want to take a year off.
Both stipends are in addition to the $10,000 advance for bar related expenses.
Given that Clifford Chance is a little late to the incoming first year deferral party, it seems appropriate that it is providing a safety net for 3Ls who suddenly have to compete for public interest jobs with associates at other firms who have had more lead time to secure a position.
The Lawyer reports that Clifford Chance is also asking London associates to accept a similar offer:
The magic circle firm contacted trainees who were due to start in August 2009 and February 2010 last night to notify them of its decision. It is hoping that up to 15 per cent of the two intakes of approximately 130 trainees will defer for 12 months.
Deferred start dates are such a new phenomenon in the legal industry. We’ll keep you updated as firms continue to create this new method of dealing with the financial meltdown.
Clifford Chance NY Layoffs.pdf
Clifford Chance asks trainees to defer [The Lawyer]
Earlier: International Layoff Watch: Clifford Chance Knocks off 80 London Attorneys
Nationwide Layoff Watch: Clifford Chance (Redux) Twenty Litigators Laid Off, in NY and DC
Prior ATL coverage of start dates




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damn
Someone needs to tell them the Dow is up and the recession is over.
First to say I'm glad I'm not in NY.
Holla.
What about Wachtell?
I wouldn't chance the later deferral dates...I'll be here all week, try the veal.
I can't believe you didn't title this, "Clifford Give Me One More Chance"
Holla.
So basically if you choose to get a public interest job you are getting paid $20k/year for a full-time job (given that you get $3.3k/month to sit on your ass). Umm no thanks.
You could take the sit on your ass money and bartend one night a week and make up the difference.
Awesome deal from CC
Perhaps the recession is still affecting London, but on this side of the pond, the Dow is up again today, signaling that the recession is over.
You guys are missing pushed back start dates at both A&B and Troutman Sanders
Do some fucking research, Elie. Deferred start dates are not "such a new phenomenon in the legal industry." They happened in the 90s... nothing is different now except the scope.
I can't believe you didn't title this, "Clifford Give Me One More Chance"
this is shaping up to be an awesome day.
If anyone thinks there will be jobs for these people in 2010 I have a hedge fund for you to invest in.
This "sluggishness" they refer to is a backwards looking analysis. The Dow is going like a house a-fire and the corporate law revival is on the horizon. Now is not the time to layoff transactional associates, and deferring 1st years who will start when the new boom is fully underway is ludicrous.
I can't believe you didn't title this, "Clifford Give Me One More Chance"
The severance business is booming.
NY to 190!!!!
the Wachtell thing is very strange. I can't think of any explanation other than they just had massive layoffs of first year associates very recently, and it has stayed quiet until now. this does not seem like something wachtell would do, even in this economy. how far did their ppp plummet?
I've heard rumors of start dates at GDC being pushed back to at least January 2010, and possibly February or March 2010.
20 - seriously, this is the third post where you hvae said tihs about Gibson dates. Provide a source or shut up.
I wasn't going to say anything about affirmative action...but I've been thinking about this for 15 mins, so I might as well.....
Whites are fast becoming the minority in the US, yet for whites continue to hold the vast majority of wealth and power in this country. For those of you who are against affirmative action, do you really believe that this phenomenon exists because whites are so much more intelligent, hardworking, and persistent than their non-white counterparts?
Some people bad mouth affirmative action as if it is normal for colleges to be over 70% white. Some people bad mouth affirmative action as if it is normal for law firm partnership to be over 70% white and male. Some people bad mouth affirmative action as if every white manager (or President) is a genius of unparalleled ability. You know, Chris Rock made a comment in an interview and it stuck with me. He basically said, "I want the freedom to suck as bad as the white man." I pray that I live to see the day that we all have that freedom.
I know it's natural for people in power to try to protect their advantage but honestly! How can intelligent people look objectively at the world around them and not recognize that the deck is stacked against minorities? More importantly, in a country that values freedom and opportunity above all else, how can people look at the inequities that our institutions produce without feeling high levels of discomfort?
I understand the argument that affirmative action should be based on class, but I reject that argument. Ultimately, if you take a poor white person out of Appalachia or most of Texas and give that person a Pretty Woman/My Fair Lady makeover that person will be able to navigate through society more freely than a similarly situated black or brown person, simply by virtue of that person's white skin. This is not to say that poor whites should be ignored or denied opportunity. This is simply to say that addressing poverty alone will not fully address the inequities that exist in this country between whites and the blacks and the jeuits.
I'm a nonviolent person, but as the gulf widens between the haves and have-nots and as the have-nots increasingly become educated black and brown and yellow people, I wonder what will happen to our country. I wonder if this willful blindness on the part of Americans to address and rectify this essential inequity, our original sin, will ultimately cause the downfall of America.
Were associates told: today is your last day, here is your severance agreement; or were they told they can stick around for a few months to find a job?
(I have friends who are corporate associates at CC.)
11--You'll find that this blog focuses more on major law firms. There's probably a different blog out there somewhere that focuses on such minor regional players, and will appeal to the literally tens of people interested in such news.
I've heard rumors of start dates at GDC being pushed back to at least January 2010, and possibly March or April 2010.
It'd be awesome if Gibson would just set the record straight...
Like Clifford Chance, A&B also gave associates starting in January an extra $10,000.
22 = Racist.
maybe 20/25 is an incoming gibson associate trying to smoke a definitive answer out of the firm.
22- get a life - your post is way too long. There are lawyers on this blog - we have very short attention spans.
Anyway, does anyone know what they gave the associates that got laid off today?
I wonder if the associates being deferred for a year will have to provide any proof of attempt to get a public interest job. If not, damn, take the 40k and take some time off. assuming you start working at full speed a year later, you won't see any vacation time for years, so get it while you can.
I got the call today that Baker Botts moved their start date to Jan. 2010. Awesome.
I believe Squire Sanders also gave associates starting in January an additional $10k.
MLK wanted us all to be judged by our character and not our color, that's the day I hope arrives in my lifetime.
That is an awesome plan. CC doing it right!
what is up with clifford chance? they have been laying off staff, associates, partners and offices for over a year and a half. are things really that terrible over there? can't they manage their mess in a slightly more organized manner and just do it in one shot rather than doing it in dribs and drabs like this. i don't even want to imagine employee and partner morale at that firm.
@22:
Shut up. Seriously, just shut up. There's a time and a place for all things, and this is neither for yet another AA debate. Stay on topic or start your own thread.
P.S. Did I mention "shut up?"
28=22=Texan
This just keeps getting worse. The later a firm is to the "deferral party", the harder they fuck their incoming associates. There are literally ZERO public interest jobs out there right now, and it will only get worse as more firms defer associates.
So I ask ALL FIRMS to announce something NOW, so that we incomings can find something useful to do.
I'm looking at you Milbank and Sidley!
39- I agree completely - GDC???
LAYOFFS RISE
QUINN FALLS (though marginally compared to other CA firms)
HOPE SURVIVES
I'm a little confused as to what is going to happen in Fall 2010. Even if the economy turns around by then, I can't imagine that firms will have enough work to feed class of 2009 and class of 2010 (who would both be first years at that point). Who will firms cut first, class of 2009 after receiving a stipend for one year or class of 2010?
"Given that Clifford Chance is a little late to the incoming first year deferral party, it seems appropriate that it is providing a safety net for 3Ls who suddenly have to compete for public interest jobs with associates at other firms who have had more lead time to secure a position."
What? It's not like they're offering more than firms that did this earlier. Didn't better firms offer $75k (i.e., 50% more) months ago? CC is about 50% below market -- plus they're not offering it until all the plumb public interest jobs are gone. TTT.
"The firm also anticipates laying off Business Services personnel in New York following a review that is expected to be completed shortly."
You know "anticipate" layoffs BEFORE you even review them? Yeeesh. So much for due process, eh? What a crack-up.
Um can I get 40K to sit on the beach for a year? That is a dream come true. To bad most those kids are such tight asses they would not know how to have a good time if they were on MTV spring break for a year.
Um can I get 40K to sit on the beach for a year? That is a dream come true. To bad most those kids are such tight asses they would not know how to have a good time if they were on MTV spring break for a year.
Um can I get 40K to sit on the beach for a year? That is a dream come true. To bad most those kids are such tight asses they would not know how to have a good time if they were on MTV spring break for a year.
PS - the real victums of all this is the people that actually wanted to do the public interest work.
Dow is up and things are looking good for the 65% of Wachtell first years who are now on the job market.
I've heard rumors of start dates at GDC being pushed back to at least January 2010, and possibly March or April 2010.
Oh yeah, @22, you are a racist idiot.
22 - go fuck yourself.
22-
Racial inequality is largely a product of a black culture that largely does not endorse betterment through hard work. This is an obstacle to racial economic equality, but it does not justify any sort of racial discrimination through affirmative action law.
Skin pigment should not entitle anyone to anything. The way to end racial discrimination is to end racial discrimination. Doing so would ensure that all citizens are judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
I guess Thursday is the new black.
51 and 22,
Could you both please STFU?!
75: "What? It's not like they're offering more than firms that did this earlier. Didn't better firms offer $75k (i.e., 50% more) months ago? CC is about 50% below market -- plus they're not offering it until all the plumb public interest jobs are gone. TTT."
75, while CC deserves criticism for waiting so long to tell associates, it's not 50% below market. The $75k offers included bar stipends. CC's figure of $5k for 12 months (60k) is separate from what they pay for bar expenses. If anything, they're a little above market.
These deferred start dates have to be making 1Ls nervous. In the summer of 2010, they will be competing against both summer associates and deferred start-date 2009 grads for a limited pool of jobs.
I remember fondly the days of summering in 1998, when we held all the cards, the steaks were big and rare, and everyone got offers.
Gibson, please announce start dates.
My 3500 sq ft wife is white, the way Texas and the lord intended.
Jones Day just emailed all incoming first-years - pushing back all start dates to October 26, 2009. Originally we had a choice between Sept. 8 and Sept 21.
Does any of this money have to be paid back if the person later decides not to go back to the firm? What it turns out that the person likes public interest law? Will they owe $40K or something?
To 43: One of the only firms to offer 75k (45k for everyone + 30k public interest stipend) was White & Case and they didn't give that offer to everyone. White & Case hand selected a very small number of ppl for 75k deal. CC's offer may not be as good as other, but it is definitely not bad.
To 43: One of the only firms to offer 75k (45k for everyone + 30k public interest stipend) was White & Case and they didn't give that offer to everyone. White & Case hand selected a very small number of ppl for 75k deal. CC's offer may not be as good as others, but it is definitely not bad.
Anything about this week's Skadden layoffs? Maybe Lat should work the phones on that one.
22 -
Too long, didn't read.
51 -
Too stupid, don't read.
what did CC give the laid off associates?
So the rumors about everyone at Kirkland Chicago having AIDS are false?
I like to go into a conference room about 1/2 hour before a meeting is scheduled and then masturbate on the chairs.
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What is the total amount of CC people laid off in last year? Seems like A LOT!
"So basically if you choose to get a public interest job you are getting paid $20k/year for a full-time job (given that you get $3.3k/month to sit on your ass). Umm no thanks.
You could take the sit on your ass money and bartend one night a week and make up the difference."
$20k a year is about 10 times what a public interest lawyer is worth.
And bartenders everywhere should be offended that they were compared to such individuals.
is aaron charney impacted by these layoffs? he is fairly senior and would probably be expensive. but would laying him off generate legal liability? maybe he's well known among GLBT clients?
Thoughts?
Why the hell is Doogie Howser on here?
Hey Robert - eat my ass!
answer to 59?
CC opened up a San Diego office in 2003 to house some leftover Brobeck corporate partners. I think it want down in flames just a year or so later -- anyone knows what happened?
That is a sweet deal. I would take the 3k stipend and head to Soi Cowboy. Sa-wa-dee awesome
- BKK rockstar
Hey Kevin - eat Robert's ass!
Anybody else find it mildly hilarious that Wachtell's website brags about how proud it is that 25% of its associates hires are "people of color."
How many "talks" do you think it took to get them to not word that "25% of our associates have been darkies?"
77, maybe they had a talk with the NAACP.
77-78: You're idiots. Wachtell was formed in the late 60's by a group of NYU grads. They've been successful through hard work and creativity. They're not some white shoe exclusionary firm.
I've never worked for Wachtell.
77, its not funny at all. And if you were in-house at a large corporate client in a position to hire firms, you would find that information very useful to you and your board.
32: Who called you about Baker Botts start dates?
If my last name is Wachtell, am I prestigious?
77-78: You're idiots. Wachtell was formed in the late 60's by a group of NYU grads. They've been successful through hard work and creativity. They're not some white shoe exclusionary firm.
I've never worked for Wachtell.
clifford chance was one of my clients. HAHAHA
Thank you 51. Well said. Bill Cosby has a similar opinion.
@73 NAILED IT!
As a junior associate from a top school, having incurred in 190k of debt, and having studied my ass off during my 1L year, I deserve to be paid 160-180k plus bonus. Additionally, as a WASP, I deserve to be on partnership track at my firm. I will not tolerate this!!
87 = black guy from Cooley.
Great comments 21. 30, 28 and 37... STFU!
Is there a Chance in Hell?
Great comments 21. 30, 28 and 37... STFU!
Is there a Chance in Hell?
White people are not necessarily smarter than people of different races. However, historically speaking, Most recent and significant contributions to human civilization as a whole come from US and other European countries. This is just a fact. I think it demonstrates that Caucasians, on average, for whatever reasons, for the last 400 years, are a better race than any other races.
Quinn remains...
Sup with Wachtell?
All will be well.
The Market will provide.
Jesus, why did this website turn into an xoxo AA debate board today? Unsubscribe.
Are Cooley chics hot?
Can we please just have a well thought, relevant discussion about Clifford Chance without any of the normal hullabaloo and tomfoolery that usually gets put on here?
Anything happening at Wachtell?
22 = Yolanda Young (http://www.onbeingablacklawyer.com) albeit slightly more literate and coherent.
91 = attention whore
The truth is you're the weak and I'm the tyranny of evil men
What is going on in ATL? K&S, AB and Troutman push back start dates? Baker Botts too?
Gail is reading the FF article and doesn't care about this. Mrrr!
Clifford Chance Ass Lobster?
Anybody hear about WilmerHale start dates?
Stop talking about AA here. It's an interesting issue, but all I want to know about is incoming associate deferrals.
Thanks.
101: Baker Botts doesn't have an Atlanta office. But it is the only major TX firm rumored to be pushing back start dates. All the other big TX firms are set for their usual September start dates this fall. TX is doing fine. I think BB is just taking advantage of all the NY firms that have pushed back dates to give them cover to save some cash.
22, "For those of you who are against affirmative action, do you really believe that this phenomenon exists because whites are so much more intelligent, hardworking, and persistent than their non-white counterparts?"
Absolutely. Read the Bell Curve.
Milbank will be the next firm to defer. You heard it here first!
I hate to hear about layoffs but it makes me thankful to still have my job.
104 - pushed back.
105, so read past the posts you don't like. I'm sure you have a scroll wheel.
Who are Kevin and Robert?
Deferred start dates at WEILLLL!!!
@90:
37 here. It's not that 22's comment aren't important, it's that this isn't the time or the place for them. Look at what this thread is about. Hint: it's NOT AA.
Abortion, Iraq, free trade, and AIDS are important issues too, but they're not for this thread. You're all supposedly lawyers or wannabe lawyers - is it really so hard to understand that not every forum is the appropriate place to have every debate? People are reading these threads to hear about things that significantly impact a lot of our lives, not to hear you babble about your thought-of-the-minute.
fernandez? Grillo? oooops
@90:
37 here. It's not that 22's comment aren't important, it's that this isn't the time or the place for them. Look at what this thread is about. Hint: it's NOT AA.
Abortion, Iraq, free trade, and AIDS are important issues too, but they're not for this thread. You're all supposedly lawyers or wannabe lawyers - is it really so hard to understand that not every forum is the appropriate place to have every debate? People are reading these threads to hear about things that significantly impact a lot of our lives, not to hear you babble about your thought-of-the-minute.
Confirmed - Weil has deferred until March 2010.
10 of the 26 corporate first years were let go and apparently have until Tuesday to leave the office. We had a firm-wide meeting shortly after where everyone was in shock, though I guess the writing was on the wall.
I don't know who Kevin is but Robert - eat my ass!
39- milbank hasnt announced anything yet but sidley already pushed us back to november start date so...what are you talking about?
39- milbank hasnt announced anything yet but sidley already pushed us back to november start date so...what are you talking about?
Yo, assholes, this motherfucker's dead!
22 -
You sound like an ex member of the NAACP who got caught with two white male prostitutes. the 1960s ended man, you can put down your "we shall overcome" signs.
I AGREE. ROBERT SHOULD EAT MY ASS AS WELL.
HEY ROBERT - EAT MY ASS!!!!
I AGREE. ROBERT SHOULD EAT MY ASS AS WELL.
HEY ROBERT - EAT MY ASS!!!!
did somebody sit on a duck?
25 -- What is your source for the GDC rumors??