zib

I had an OCI interview there, seemed like a place going down even in August, interviewer was really arrogant and awkward, hope he got fired

And to think the 2Ls were just complaining about only having 10 week summer programs....

zib

Wow - the firm pushed until March because it's just long enough where it can go cheap on a stipend and not feel obligated to set up any sort of year long deferral program. Not much class there.

Since when did it become acceptable for businesses to make meaningless offers? We should all aspire to stand by our word.

What a TTT shithole. I had the honor of interviewing there last year and dealing with a total douchebag from a TTT school in Boston who kept mentioning his "LLM from Georgetown." Burn, baby burn.

HOORAY BEER.

I never knew this law firm existed. Why are they offering severance packages? Who are they trying to impress? I am hardly moved by their subterfuge.

I am very disheartened by the law firm letters expressing sorrow and appreciation for departing associates. If I had to draft a press release it would go along these lines:

The economy is in the pits. My financial bottom line is being depleted by your (associates') salaries. My survival and ability to maintain my lifestyle outweigh the needs of your meager existence. Be very grateful for the opportunity I gave you. Goodbye."

Terminated associates and incoming associates do not deserve anything. Let them sink or swim just like in the good old days.

I hope the partners realize how badly they are screwing the 2L's when they elect to cancel their summer program. I hope those partners realize that while they can only sock away 100K in savings this year instead of 200K and have to cut their Nantucket vaction from 12 to 7 days, the screwed 2L's they made promises to are left to shudder under the weight of their student loans and face the seeming abyss that is their future.

And bringing up the rear for a crap firm. Way to stay classy, EAPD. Screw over your summers, pay your incoming associates such a pittance that they have to scramble to find other jobs, and lay off a significant percentage of associates.

Hope the firm considers laying off its managers too. Especially in the Boston office where they are so cocky. Look at the firm now!

Looks like a bunch of 2L's got GTO'ed.

WOW.... screw over 9 2Ls and save less than $250K. Perfectly rational... if you're facing insolvency.

Somewhere in the Virgin Islands, a young clerk cracks a smile..

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Oh, sorry about those tens of thousands of dollars we were going to pay you for this summer, and that whole not having a job thing. Here's $5,000....

The thing that baffles me is why it is such a huge no-no to accept a firm's offer and then rescind and accept somewhere else, when the firms can turn around and pull crap like this after you've accepted theirs. It's absurd.

Don't understand the logic here. The Dow is up. The NASDAQ is up for the year. The recession is over.

so much whining on this blog. get laid off.. sack up and deal with it.

holy s autoadmit pwnawesomeness

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To # 7 - do you know why law firms consistently send out their biggest jerks to conduct law school interviews? Several reasons: 1) they don't want them dealing with paying clients, who would get ticked at their haughtiness; 2) they don't have enough work to do and the firm doesn't want to waste attorneys who can bill at $ 500 an hour conducting interviews; 3) the interviewing lawyer can be "haughty" with you because no one else pays them any attention or will listem to their tripe in the legal profession; 4) they want to see if you can overcome the trashy side of the firm, testing your "mettle" as a lawyer. Expect more of this as the economy worsens; law firms want to keep their producers producing and they'll gladly send ther remaining client's sons and daughers whom they employ as nonproductive attorneys to interveiw at law schools.

um #10 - guess what they dont care. Are you kidding me? The same way you are going into biglaw for the money and wont care when you get your job and some lowly student gripes about their student loans...

the hypocrasy of people on this board - cry for me when im in need- screw you when its not me on the receiving end.

At least they didn't Weil their 3L's with a 2011 deferral.

lol @ 13

I once masturbated during a callback at EAPD.

I like your style, 26.

Weak

I've never heard of this TTT law firm.

-V10 Awesome Stud

Fried Frank to Associates:
You put your fried frank in.
You put your fried frank out.
You put your fried frank in.
And you shake it all about.
You do the hokey pokey.
And you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.

has anyone ever figured out who that actually is in the picture of the "Senior Partner" guy?

@9 - Partner Emeritus, you kill me. Glad you're back.

@9 - Partner Emeritus, you kill me. Glad you're back.

These layoffs and firm dissolutions are not taking place in a vacuum. The firms' clients are failing, are going out of business entirely or if not, are being forced to lay off their own personnel and to cut expenses, including those associated with high-priced lawyers. If there is insufficient client business as a result of client cut-backs, the firm cannot support new attorneys. You know this, of course. I was in-house counsel at a company that went out of business last year. When we crashed, several law firms, service providers, product vendors, and media outlets across the country lost a client. Some of them had outstanding receivables that will never be paid. Multiply that thousands of times and you see the problem. Regrets and sympathy to all going through this.

how long until this firm dissolves?

This is a message of encouragement for recently terminated associates. Tonight I had dinner at Rick's Cabaret in midtown. One of the dancers at the establishment looked familiar. When she approached my area I recognized her as a young associate that my firm had recently terminated. I inquired how she was and she made it clear to me that she couldn't have been happier. I bought a lap dance from her. We talked and she volunteered the fact that she was earning an average of $500 to $750 a night. She offered the "hug and tug" special. It was a perfect exchange right until the point when the dance was over and she "reminded" me that a tip was customary for the "entertainment." I then reminded her to take the tip out of the generous severance package my firm had given her. Moral of the story: Some young associates can surmount their failed careers by engaging in entertainment services. For male associates, you can go to San Francisco where there are still some Silicon Valley hustlers that will pay $500 an hour for buggering services. Goodnight.

sucks to be so close to 160k to probably being 5-10 years away from it now. hang in there.

I feel really bad for these law students. It's a bad time to pursue this time of career.

gov't job gonna be tough to get next year

Troutman Sanders made a public buyout offer with a Thursday deadline to every staff member, and promised associate layoffs to boot ... and ATL says ... crickets

31--it is a picture of Donald Moffat, who is a character actor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Moffat

Dissolution, ho!

I don't understand why firms need to merge/expand! What's wrong with being a decent regional place.

I never heard of this stupid forum

Did they can partners?

Did they can partners?

Wait - does this mean the firm is going to essentially take a year off from hiring? Are things that bad?

I can't believe you idiots never heard of this firm. They made a TON of records in the 70's.

LOL @ 48. nice.

22 - You're way, way overestimating the amount of thought law firms put into who does on-campus interviews.

poor incoming summers. woe to the rest of us.

interesting how when firms like EAPD search for ways to slash costs, their first move is to cut nine summer associates just a few short weeks before they were supposed to start. I guess the half million dollar luxury box at fenway park is more important....for marketing value of course.

What happened to Nervous 1L? Got f*cked?

Yo asshole, this muthafucka's dead ain't no Chris Angel Mind Freak, David Blaine trap door, horseshit jumpin' off here.

S.S. Big Changes docking at EAPD!

GTO sends his regards, motherfuckers.

thanks, 41!

-31

@43, Wolf Block was, until relatively recently, a decent regional place.

Okay - I'm doing it and said I wouldn't. I need to post - may get fried or tore up but I have to say something. I will be completely honest. I am a "former E&A" employee. I LOVED working at E&A - we were in a building we could afford, I knew and liked most, if not all of my collegues and respected our admin/bosses. Taking over/merging with P&D scared me - change freaks me out. We moved to their building and many were pissed - they thought we were taking over (did I mention that I am a secretary - low on the pecking order for sure), from day 1 I heard of how "fun and awesome" P&D was. ... You know what - so was E&A and we were a national and from what I know, prosperous firm. I had heard that P&D was going down (not sure if that is true or not). Once we all let our walls come down and accept one another, I met sooo many amazing people. We are now EAPD - sorry to those that don't want to accept it, but it's true. To me, I still miss E&A (and the building we could afford), but I truly love the P&D people and EAPD as a whole. I've lost friends (attorneys and staff - P&D, E&A and EAPD), it doesn't suck any less. I don't know if either firm would have survived without eachother (to me E&A was doing great but I may have wrong info), but I lost friends from all points and it is awful all around. The economy is horrible right now - I hope it is not a firm thing. I am sad for the attorneys (the majority of whom rock), staff (who are awesome) and the managers that had to deliver the blows. They did not relish in what happened today - they were saddened and sickened by it. Maybe I'm disillusioned, but I feel that nobody took joy in what happened today. I think at the end of the day we all feel beat up and sad - I know that I do. I pray for EAPD's success- there are soo many amazing people that work here (so many amazing people that got let go). I'll stay here until they give me my walking papers... From what's going on in the legal field - I don't think any place else is going to be any better.

Sorry to all of my friends (attorneys and staff alike) who got the call today. You will be missed. And to management - say what you will - they are a great group of people who were certainly not enjoying today either.

@59, that was heartfelt. I dealt with E&A before the merger and was impressed with them.

Thank you #60. I am biased and truly loved and E&A (which helps me understand the P&D love). It's lose lose to me. I love the partners and attorneys I work for and am glad they made it. Losing a job is losing a job. It sucks no matter what. I think Partners, attorneys, secretaries and admin/HR are just trying to provide for their loved ones any way that they can. Nobody is better than the other. I appreciate and respect my bosses and truly hope they think the same of me. I have always been treated very well - E&A and EAPD - a lot of great people.

59: tl;dr, fuck this TTT

elie, write about this article by the NY TTTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/nyregion/27gillibrand.html?hp

1motherfucking80, 55.

62 - I don't know what your post is saying - sorry - I'll probably regret asking, but what is it?

62 - I don't know what your post is saying - sorry - I'll probably regret asking, but what is it?

41: While partner emeritus bears a striking resemblance to donald moffat, I am afraid I actually know the douchebag. He was a partner at a V5 firm. If memory serves me correct, he was a cantakerous old man who suffered from Alzheimers and Aspergers syndrome. I won't reveal who he is or who I am as I know some partners at the firm actually peruse through this blog. Job security is a priority for me. Whether PE is impersonating the SOB I know is entirely another story.

62 is a miserable human being. I hope you get fired -- no one would miss you. get a life.

63, isn't she the gun nut, too?

14 - i doubt eapd is cancelling its summer program because of the dollar cost. i'm going to guess it has more to do with morale - how are the associates going to feel about having summers when there have been layoffs. if the lawyers aren't into entertaining the summers, it's not going to be a fun summer. also there may not be enough work to pass around to associates and summers. then there's whether eapd will need incoming associates in 2010 - if not, then they'll have to no-offer the summers.

good luck to the summers.

Get real 37....i am sure people who have been working for 35 years feel the same way...sucks to be so close to retirement....give me a break. we have many years of opportunity and realistically more recessions ahead of us. Read the god damn newspaper.

Get real 37....i am sure people who have been working for 35 years feel the same way...sucks to be so close to retirement....give me a break. we have many years of opportunity and realistically more recessions ahead of us. Read the god damn newspaper.

Funny part is just how bad the defferal offer pales in comparison to other recent offerings.

It appears that this particular vessel has suffered a fatal blow to its structural integrity, and will soon capsize and/or become fully and irreversibly submerged in the deep waters of firms past.

-Michael Ray Richardson, Esq.

3: What department was he from? What law school?

I got dinged from a senior associate position at this place 5-6 years ago. Went to another firm, and make more cash than I ever dreamed of (things have gone well).

Sometimes bad things CAN work out kids - like Tupac said "keep ya head up" (but like wu tang said "protect ya neck" as well).

No need to thank me for my words of wisdom bitches.

With all due respect 76, didn't Tupac, in all his wisdom, get himself gunned down?

East Coast Baby, East Coast.

Leaving EAPD was the best decision I have ever made. Period.

To those unfortunate people still working there, I suggest you start doing whatever you can to prepare your parachutes and escape plans, difficult as that may be under the current economic circumstances. Any firm that cancels its summer program last minute is in trouble. There is also an eerie similarity in the course of action taken - i.e., layoffs, pay freeze, staff layoffs, more associate layoffs, delayed start dates, canceling summer program - with that of other firms that have recently collapsed. You had better believe that the younger, more productive partners will be shopping themselves around in the coming months, and if - when - a group of them departs, it will spell the end of EAPD.

Other than that, have a nice weekend.

this firm is dead. once you close a summer program after you have given offers, do you think you can ever start it up again? i wouldn't even think good law schools would let them on campus again. those 9 summers should sue for breach of contract. it would be the best learning experience they could get while still in law school, and they will get paid for doing it...give me a break, $5000 and all is fine?

10 here; you're a joke, 23, I am already a "BigLaw" lawyer and am not a hypocrite. Enjoy being miserable and stupid.

@79 - sue for breach of contract? What are you, an idiot?

@81.

offer and acceptance = contract

one party breaches, other party has damages

you must have slept in that day, little 1L

82:

Actually, since we're all at-will employees, there is no contract - at least not one for which the summers would have a reasonable expectation of damages on account of their expected salaries. The best you could hope for is a claim based on a theory of promissory estoppel, under which you would have to show that you incurred costs in connection with preparing for the job - e.g., moving expenses or something to that effect - due to your reasonable reliance on starting the job. But good luck with that.

It is you who must have been asleep in contracts, since this issue is a hornbook hypothetical that appears in every 1L contracts casebook to illustrate this very point - i.e., that you have no claim in contract for a rescinded offer of employment where there is no finite term of employment previously agreed upon.

83 - wtf do you think a summer offer letter that states a term of employment consitutes?

Why must the comment-posters have the same breach of contract argument every time some firm kills an offer? Whether or not there's a legal basis for a claim (a question that will never be resolved here), it's not going to happen. If you want to waste time on the internet, look at porn.

84: The letter states a date range for anticipated employment, at a set weekly rate. That's all. It does not promise or guarantee employment for the entire period or payment of the total sum that would be earned for that term. Compare this with a true employment contract, e.g., one year, $200K, no termination except for cause. That's a different contractual animal altogether.

85: Putting aside the irony of your decision to post, one reason is that loking at porn is hardly a waste of time on the internet. To the contrary, it is one of the most productive uses of the interwebs that I can think of. Second, this dead-end debate over the contractual rights of shunned summers is better than nothing - which is all that EAPD seems to be able to garner in response to its imminent demise.

Holy shit, why does this happen on every thread involving summer associate rescissions.

At-will employment = no breach of contract when an offer is rescinded. You have no, no, no, no reasonable reliance when your employment is at-will.

Yeah, it sucks, but not even the shittiest firm leaves itself open to lawsuits by disgruntled 1Ls.

Get another job, you whiny little bitches, and stop trying to practice law until you pass the bar.

King and Spalding has pushed back start dates to 1/2010 - I also hear they are cutting partner salaries by up to 10%

84 - there is a distinction between first year attorney offers getting rescinded and summer associate contracts being rescinded. In the first case, they are at will, in the second case, they are not at will when the contract is for a term with fixed dates (even if there is not a termination except for cause clause).

Example. If i hire someone to shovel snow from Jan - Mar, i can tell them to stop halfway through, but i still have to pay them for the entire term.

#59 - ARE YOU SERIOUS?????????
E&A was great, but P&D was full of nasty, miserable and snobby attorneys. The merger was a joke. E&A would have been fine. P&D needed a bigger presence in the market. Without E&A, P&D would have folded. Too bad they didn't. The 111 address is nice, but the heart of the firm was on Federal Street with the E&A people. Sorry to say it to you b/c you still work there (I was lucky enough to get out a couple of years ago), but I hope the place closes and the idiots who run the place get what they deserve.

91 - Let it go. Why do you care so much anymore. Look, both firms had their advantages, but the merger happened years ago. Move on already.

91 - Let it go. Why do you care so much anymore. Look, both firms had their advantages, but the merger happened years ago. Move on already.

79 here; if i were one of the summer associates whose offer of summer employment for a specified term at a specified rate was rescinded, i would take this on as an independent study project, as it were, pro se; if you think about this more than a moment, and stop looking at the porn site in the other tab, i think the firm would not like this kind of publicity; i also think that you could get past a motion to dismiss by setting forth a set of facts that, if assumed to be true on the hearing of the motion, states a claim for relief. also, i would sue the firm in an inconvenient location, ie close to your school, far away from the firm, but still where the firm does business (national firm). i do think that a summer offer is not at will, although if you show up and screw up, you would be hard pressed to avoid termination.

Hey, 92/93 - Just so you know - I was a former P&D Legacy employee and felt sorry for the A&E people. They had no idea what they were in for. I saw the end almost three years ago and was glad to move on as soon as I saw that the merger would never work. I am sitting here now laughing happily from my new and better position.

Well I will say my peace. I was one laid off yesterday. It sucks, but yes we will all move on. But first, P&D was a great firm, as I was a P&D. E&A was probably a great firm also. The merger from the start was bad news - these two firms would not merge well and it shows - and ok should of been called a buyout. P&D prob. would of folded because of the economy and being a smaller firm. Or it should of picked a different firm to be bought out by. I will say the way they are picking and chosing who stays and who goes is way off the mark. They let others stay that hardly work or complain they have too much work when there is none and know how to BS their bosses or supervisors or managers. I have worked for lawyers for over 30 years and believe me, I can smell a BS'er a mile away. So as I see it, again they let the good ones go and it will show. I give the firm 6 months to survive maybe a little longer if some firm is stupid enough to buy them out if the economy gets better. And remember JUNE is another quarter, sharpen up your resume.

OK so now when are managers, supervisors, directors, officers, etc. going to get the ax or laid off, there are not many people left to manage!! So any rumors on that going down soon.

97:

I have heard from credible sources that the firm intends to conduct another, more stealthy layoff in the near future that will be aimed exclusively underperforming partners. Not sure whether high level management is supposed to be affected too. Seeing as how that firm operates as if there's no one behind the wheel, it's not like they'd be missed.

98 - Thanks! and Yes I heard that about the partners before I was laid off from there. And some of the management won't be missed for sure as they can't manage. So all I can say is what comes around goes around!

Maybe they can also get rid of a certain high-placed non-lawyer employee who leaks confidential information.

What is pathetic about the East Atlanta Police Department is that they seemingly distributed their layoff notices to the blogs et. al. in attempt to get their name in news as "nice guys"; the notice was in advance of notification of staff and attorney dismissals. Otherwise, this would be a non-news story of a wanna-be Am Law firm punishing staff and attorneys for the abundance of dead-weight partners.

100 & 101 - and who might that high place employee be, or should I say what position ws this person in. Nothing nice about EAPD at all, especially management.

100 & 101 - and who might that high place employee be, or should I say what position was this person in. Nothing nice about EAPD at all, especially management and dead-weight partners.

I totally do not understand how they can keep all their management staff - there are too many of them that do nothing and have a big salary. I believe the firm is in big trouble. If you are still employed there - you better start saving your pennies because you could be in the unemployment line soon! And YES - they did lay-off the wrong people.......but I think it is because management does't have a clue who works and who doesn't. Management needs to start investigating.....there are some staff members that come and go as they like - and nobody has any idea it is happening. Like coming to work after 10 and leaving early and having others cover for them. Oh yes - that is happening.

104 - I presume you are referring to the Boston office?

100 - 101 How about narrowing down your comments to departments or are you referring to a higher level admin person not aligned with a department?

Very well written #59. I also love the friendships I have made post merger. You would think after almost 4 years, comments like "you people" would stop. If they are so unhappy with the new policies, they should have looked for new employment and saved the jobs of those who enjoyed working for EAPD. We are now ONE firm with ONE common goal and that is to succeed. It is just more of a challenge during these tough economic times. None of us know how or why management makes the decisions they do, but l hope they are looking mostly at performance rather than just the "ratios" when it comes to staff. Having said that, I would NOT want to be in their shoes (especially at this time). I wish all our colleagues who were laid off the best of luck.... you may be gone from the Firm, but you will not be forgotten. Good luck to all of you!

On a side note, when we had layoffs back in November there were a lot of negative comments on this blog about staff members not having the right to blog on this site, how staff in other law offices read books, surf the web, and really aren't a "necessity". To those who feel that way about staff, either your assistant needs to be replaced, you need to learn how to work with an assistant, or your firm is not busy enough to keep him/her busy. Good staff members are hard to find, but when you find one, you will not have to do anything other than appear in court.

The staff we lost during this round of layoffs were AWESOME which baffles those of us who survived. There was not one staff member who lost their job because they were not performing up to par.

Again, good luck to all!!

106 - well which is it - you wrote "None of us know how or why management makes the decisions they do, but l hope they are looking mostly at performance rather than just the "ratios" when it comes to staff" - then you wrote "staff we lost during this round of layoffs were AWESOME which baffles those of us who survived. There was not one staff member who lost their job because they were not performing up to par" - believe me, management will tell you it was demographics - but there are plenty staff members at EAPD that do not perform up to par or up to speed, and BS that they are busy. This round was terrible who they let go and those of us still there, could easily tell management who and why should not have been let go and it should have been someone else!

#106 - I thought your post was very well written. I guess it was a little confusing with the management comment and then being "baffled", but I would imagine that your emotions are running high. I got your point and understood it. You were upset by the lay offs as we all were. Your comments about staff was right on. I'm sure we all have down time (some attorneys too), business is slow. Nothing to do about that. I don't know how people are getting such a bad impression of our management. They are doing the best they can with a weakened economy. Good luck to all in this economy! Losing a job/source of income is not easy for anyone.

I've read these comments and wonder why people are worried about 2Ls and summer associates, what about the staff members who are single parents and now got only half the severance that those staff let go in November got. How do they support their families, they are not making $125K a year. Legacy E&A staff are the majority of every layoff, not legacy P&D. Does anyone else see at trend here. They should start looking at the management and partners who are NOT performing and moving to a building that is affordable ... stuck there due to P&D lease. If the management want to save this firm, they had better start getting rid of the waste at the top.

109-

Because it's a law website. I feel deeply for the secretaries and other staff members that were let go. You can't come to a website by lawyers, for lawyers, and expect extensive discourse on the devastating effects of the recession on staff.

Nicely put 110. And for 109 - I saw a list of the November lay offs and it was the same amount of legacy E&A and legacy P&D. I'm not sure about this round but in document production in the first round they let an awesome daytime legacy E&A go (with many years with the company) and an awesome nighttime legacy P&D go (with even more years). This time we lost a fantastic legacy P&D woman in document production. It seems to me that it is pretty even. I'm former E&A and miss all three of those fabulous women already! They were fantastic at their jobs and made mine easier all of the time. I don't know - I can't make sense of it either and truly hope that they can find employment. The severance packages being less this time was definitely rough. I feel for them.

Bottom line is these guys CANCELED their summer program. What other firms have done that - and where are they at now? That's not a (completely) rhetorical question. I really can't recall any firms that have done this. It seems to me that canceling your summer program less than two months beforehand is a pretty dire sign. I don't buy it being done for moral reasons, either - if anything, keeping your summer program, however cut down it may be, would boost morale by showing that the firm intends to keep moving forward and by having a few fresh faces in the office for a few months. No, this decision was purely economic, and one has to wonder whether a firm that found it necessary to save $270,000 any way it could is long for this world.

What is really baffling is not one male secretary was let go in any rounds of layoffs! Not one having a family to support but let's go after those single moms!! And let me tell you, they have nothing on 1/2 the people who were let go. I don't know where management's heads are at but they definitely could have had a better method to their madness. And how some of the people in HR are still there is beyond me. They don't see what really goes on around them, or if they do, they are playing favorites and look the other way. As a former EAPD staff member, I am extremely disappointed in this firm.

112-- my thoughts exactly! I don't buy the morale argument especially considering this is a firm of over 500 attorneys and there were only 9 summers to begin with. Why not cut the program down? Even down to 6 weeks. Canceling it all together smells of dissolution.

113--whaa whaa! I think the notion that management should be considering whether someone is male or a single mom before terminating his/her job is total BS. Maybe some of those single moms should have kept their legs closed.

What's with all the staff commentary??? Jesus. As #110 said--this is a blog about lawyers written by and for lawyers. While I certainly feel for the staff members who have lost their jobs--regardless of whether of not they have children--I am equally concerned about the 2Ls who not only lost a summer opportunity but an opportunity at a permanent job. Now they have less than 2 months to secure summer employment and cross their fingers that it will lead to some sort of shiitty permanent job?

113 -- they have to consider male, female, age group, ethnicity, sexual persuasion or they could be sued for discrimination. And your comment about single mom's is disgusting. I feel sorry for EAPD if you are currently employed there.

Commenting on #114 - you are an a-hole to write something like that. As for the single moms getting let go - that also goes for singles in general. There are so many staff members at EAPD that go home to husbands that have six figure salaries and they are not the ones that will be losing their homes etc. I think that is what people are trying to get across. There was ZERO heart that went into the lay-offs. Management should look at the WHOLE picture and not destroy lives if they can let others go that will not be out on the street months from now....but then again the management that is in the Boston office has no clue what goes on anyway. Hey - if someone with any clout is reading this - why not let some of the management staff go - they don't do anything worth while anyway and I'm sure they are all making over one hundred grand AND THERE ARE TOO MANY OF THEM.

sorry, 113 the above post was directed to 114

109 - my count on this last lay off re: staff was 8 P&D, 5 E&A, and 1 EAPD, so get your #'s straight before you say its E&A, and for the November layoff it was even.

113 - 116 - your right about HR and management, they have their favorites and I would say most of the management is E&A but regardless, they are turning their heads the other way and hopefully someone else will finally see who the real workers are, or I should say were, as most of the staff that was let go, meaning EAPD, were great workers. Time for management to get cut, no one left to manage, why keep them. But it will come back to haunt them.

115--

114 here. Don't worry, I'm not employed by EAPD. If I were, I'd be doing my job instead of whining on this blog. And I apologize about the "keeping their legs closed" comment--as a female who has engaged in much premarital sex, it was hypocritical of me to say. What I MEANT was perhaps these women should have used reliable birth control BEFORE they spread their legs.

Also, the notion that EAPD management should have laid off women whose husbands make a lot of money first is hilarious. Sounds like we've got some jealous single moms on our hands. Perhaps if some of these women had managed their own lives a little better, they would not be such "victims" of EAPD management.

What does TTT and zib mean?

What does TTT and zib mean?

O' captain, my captain?

To any law student or attorney who ever considers working for EAPD in the future (if it doesn't dissolve in the next 6 months, that is):

DON'T DO IT!!!

You have been warned.