K&S associates need DUSTER. It will make them feel like they're a million bucks! I need more duster!

I hear K&S is making cuts to stop the spread of a Gonorrhea outbreak in its Atlanta office.

Any first years?

- Laid off Latham 1st Year

Any first years?

- Laid off Latham 1st Year

I swear to God, Dealbreaker.com, your ad is making me insane. STOP IT. That ad is more annoying than the Vermont Teddy Bear office ad. I hate it so much. I want to punch those grape chomping idiots. ADVERTISING FAIL.

5: Yes

More like Jester and Spalding

LONG LIVE THE QUINN

how many?

-Laid off Latham 1st Year

How many of the 80 are associates? Anyone have a breakdown?

Yes. First Years.

All of them

How many of the 80 are associates? Anyone have a breakdown?

Agree with 6. The grape ad has got to go!

Was it half the first year class like at my firm?

-Laid off Latham 1st Year

This post with real numbers and no fishing questions asking "what's going on at King & Spalding today?" is immediately more believable than the post from earlier today. So why did we wait for real news here, but proceed with rumor there? Is the latter just a Kash thing?

15 - No all of them

Dealbreaker = Texasbigaids disaster of '05

K&S Associates- You'll get nothing and like it!!!

I have met some pretty hot associates at K&S.

#3: How many of the first year's were affected by the outbreak?

#3: How many of the first years were affected by the outbreak?

a) HR had the conference rooms in Atlanta staked out as early as Wednesday.

b) They said they hired extra security but no one is being escorted out, to my knowledge.

c) Just a few of them are going to be hired back as contract attorneys to continue on various projects they were staffed on before they left. Real classy move, guys.

d) The numbers are about a handful in corporate, finance, global transactions, IP, and real estate. Counsel and associates; a lot of first-years.

"Most of our tipsters are surprised that the firm has managed to avoid layoffs for this long."

Nothing could be further from the truth. K&S and A&B have been quietly letting associates go for months, just ask partners at midsize ATL firms flooded with resumes.
- ATL observer

12 & 17 is incorrect. Not all of them.

The firms need to can these idiot OMPs who ran their firms into the ground in the first place. Why hasn't management been thrown out yet?

Elie and all, what's the deal with staff attorneys and discrimination suits?

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202428845957

Well played, 1.

Don't worry all you laid-off associates, as the world needs ditch diggers too!

KS laid off people as early as Dec. 2007. Laid off some laterals back then.

More and more they crumble. Interesting...must be good to be a CWT layoff. At least they have the deceny to fire you when you can actually get another job.

"Agree with 6. The grape ad has got to go!"

3rd. Why did they hire those cheap-ass, busted actors, and film it with camcorder in their mom's basement? It only emphasizes the complete collapse of the finance sector.

So TTT

I am growing suspicious of collusion among these firms in violation of our nation's antitrust laws.

Someone should get a big class action going against these firms. If one of you doesn't step up, I may just do it.

Is Lat the one eating grapes in the Dealbreaker add?

33 - shut up. you are an idiot.

CHOMPERS is not afraid of anybody.

Anyone heard any rumors of Atlanta firms cutting back their summer programs to less than 10 or 12 weeks?

This suit is NOT BLACK

I heard that Skadden Atlanta is over run with the MRSA. Office is closed for a week.

This suit is NOT BLACK

If you work at K&S, don't answer the phone today.

Is the 80 number include staff or just attorneys?

King and Slobster.

The managing partners at K&S and A&B are brothers right?

So Lat is the one eating grapes in the Dealbreaker ad? wtf?

how many first years are there in the corp practice area? safe to assume they are all being axed?

clearly these are performance based layoffs. that is the only reason they would not do a public announcement.

KS has been laying off since 2008. some of the victims in 2008 got less than a months severance. the firm is a hell hole. the most unethical and dihonest firm in the country - in my opinion. what other firm would ask a staff person to spy on other partners to find out what they are doing - so the firm can steal the client. what other firm would vandalize an attroneys car in the firm parking garage - to send a message. what other firm would hire a lesbian partner who sleeps with her clients. it is a circus freak show 24/7.

I'm a king, storming your castle on my steed.

Anyone know where I can get this K&S tattoo removed?

It is time for US firms to adopt the Danish model:

Years 1 through 3: No pay, and associates pay firm a small "donation" to cover overhead and training costs.

Year 4: Associates receive stipends for work-related expenses. Bonus paid in "credits" that vest ratably over 5 years.

Years 5-9: Same as year 4, but 5% per annum stipend increase.

Years 10: N/A

King and Spalding attorneys are *unbelievably* snobbish. Looks like the odds of that attitude are going down fast.

Vandalize an attorney's car? Do tell more.

48, please tell me you're making this stuff up. Good lord.

Here, K & S associates - "This is good stuff. I got it from a Negro. You're probably high already and you don't even know it."

48-

I'm so so sorry you got shitcanned. No more cokes for you.

K&S had layoffs in the New York office last September. I know for a fact. They offered some people small packages. Therefore, this big news break is not quite the scoop you might think it is. If it's 80 people and in Atlanta, then it's bigger than the one last year. But this is nothing new for King & Spalding. The way they avoided layoffs in the past few years was to make life at the firm so unbearable that people of all levels, partners, associates and staff would leave of their own accord, and many did. After running the office into the ground with bad management decisions, they started laying off in 2008. No surprise, execpt to those unfortunates who come to work and are soon escorted out the door.

39 = epic fail. Skadden does not have an Atlanta office.

Look for a seersucker fire sale in front yards throughout Buckhead.

39 = epic fail. Skadden does not have an Atlanta office.

58/60: Um, I think that was 39's point.

K&S Associates - You're fuckin' out!

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the Skadden associates afflicted with the MRSA.

Tommy Gufano

57 - K&S people have small packages?

OH OH OH

i hear one of their big clients fired them when the client found out a male partner at the firm was doing the male GC - gotta love that

60 = Epic Win!

The ship be sinking...

Just to be clear, these layoffs had nothing to do with the waning demand for legal service or the cover provided by deep cuts across the industry to purge underperformers.

Only know about NY....so far...11 support staff & 2 attorneys - both 1st years

W&C round 2

W&C round 2

W&C round 2

W&C round 2

one of my favorite KS stories concerns a female partner in one of their satellite offices. her husband gambles at golf all day while she tries to keep her sinking ship afloat - has lost multiple clients and multiple associates in the past year. according to her, she told her kids to eat out of the garbage can if they were hungry and sometimes has had to kick in money to cover her husband's gamblings debts. one of her clients recently pulled a litigation from the firm - a client that she got because she married the golfer when he worked there. in my opinion, pure white trash.

Sorry to the first-years being let go. Your life is in fact over. Be sure to thank K&S for that mortgage/lease payment you now cannot afford.

~Prior laid off first-year from another firm

one of my favorite KS stories concerns a female partner in one of their satellite offices. her husband gambles at golf all day while she tries to keep her sinking ship afloat - has lost multiple clients and multiple associates in the past year. according to her, she told her kids to eat out of the garbage can if they were hungry and sometimes has had to kick in money to cover her husband's gamblings debts. one of her clients recently pulled a litigation from the firm - a client that she got because she married the golfer when he worked there. in my opinion, pure white trash.

Texas is classy.

3500 sq ft and a wife, bitches!

64 - Yes, after K&S gave them the small packages, that's what they had. Uhh, what packages are you referring to that a firm could give somebody? Please, enlighten all of us. And I'm sure whatever the packages were, they are running out of money now, in this economy. Please make a joke out of that situation.

Summer programs at most sattelite offices have been scaled back to 6 weeks and start dates for 3L's have been pushed back to January 1 at all offices. There is also a rumor that starting salaries are going to be reduced by anywhere from 10-20%.

does bobby hays still shave his little head ? does he still wear his little cowboy boots ? does anyone have photos of the lesbian partner doing the client ?

i would love to have a wife support my gambling habit ...

did the partner pay for the husband's trips to the strip clubs too ?

what a woman ...

oh, and is the lesbian partner open to group sex ?

How about their new San Fran/Valley offices? I'm sure the associates at those firms which got gobbled up are thrilled right about now.

3500 sq ft wife -- that's one big woman

3500 sq ft wife -- that's one big woman
_________________________________________

Not for Texas.

48 - then I know two former Sutherland partners who recently joined K&S that should fit in perfectly there.

Texas has big women? Are they classy and stuff?

How about their new San Fran/Valley offices? I'm sure the associates at those firms which got gobbled up are thrilled right about now.

When he talks about the big spread he has it ain't no ranch -- it's his wifes behind

79 - how do you know start dates have been pushed back until 1/10? Is the start date applicable for the Atlanta offices as well? Does it include federal clerks?

79 - how do you know start dates have been pushed back until 1/10? Is the start date applicable for the Atlanta offices as well? Does it include federal clerks?

82 - most of the california folks work in the IP group. I feel sorry for them. The IP group in recent years has been the least profitable practice group in the firm. They laid off a handful of folks last year in the firm's houston office in this practice area. The practice group leader is a franchising atty - a little unusual for an IP practice group.

How can some many of you continue to joke when our colleagues are so obviously suffering? Have we all become so desensitized to this issue that it is now acceptable to joke while our now unemployed friends, neighbors and colleagues are figuring out how to stay afloat, pay their mortgages and feed their families without a job or any real job prospects? Get some perspective, people. Comment threads like this make me embarrassed of my chosen profession and make it understandable that the world views lawyers as selfish, heartless scum.

CR - the practice group leader - is an a-hole that goes after his own partners - has run some out already & is targeting more - the IP group is all but dead in NY after it was huge just a few years ago - the Managing Partner in NY is also IP, which I find interesting

hey 92 - do you have pictures of the lesbian partner doing her client ? good riddance to the king and spalding scum. are you the golfer husband of the king and spalding partner ?

92 = terrible flame.

93 - you are correct. King & Spalding is a collection of sociopaths - in my opinion. They have a reputation for hiring lateral partners in order to steal their clients. One lateral came over to the IP group there and left after 2 weeks - he realized what a shit hole it was.

I am on fire right now. Literally.

96 - I agree it is a shit hole, but why do you think most firms hire lateral partners? It sure as hell isn't to dilute the profits per partner numbers.

If K&S really is a collection of sociopaths, I'd be happy to present my qualifications to the hiring committee, bad economy be damned.

Who started the gonorrhea outbreak?

90 - Yes - the word is there will be nobody starting before 1/10. The email or letter is supposed to go out in the next two weeks.

90 - Yes - the word is there will be nobody starting before 1/10. The email or letter is supposed to go out in the next two weeks.

this firm is a shell of its former self. it was once the most reviled and revered firm in atlanta. its a shame, because there are a lot of really good people, and i mean good people, that work at that firm.

It still is the most reviled and revered firm in Atlanta despite its flaws. Which firm is more so?

It still is the most reviled and revered firm in Atlanta despite its flaws. Which firm is more so?

103- and no i dont work there.

@105 -- Ever heard of a little shop called Skadden? Hmmm? exactly. suck it.

There are too many insensitive comments here ... our co-workers are losing jobs and thus may lose more, i.e., family, home, etc. ... there should be more sensitivity in this horrible time at K&S. Single mothers, fathers and others are facing a bleak future.

how about alston + bird?

# 105: RobbinsLaw LLC

I would say, "3L interviews, here I come," but there probably won't be any 3L interviews to sign up for...

A+B has been laying off people since the early part of 2008 in one of the most well-known secret operations in the city. i dont know if the slow bleed is going to save them from the blood-letting, but lets see.

What is this nonsense about Skadden? Skadden doesn't have an Atlanta office, despite its prestige in other cities.
But I do agree with the 108 - if you have/need additional information, commenting is appropriate. Don't comment just to be a jerk, it makes us all look bad. Further, if this current economic crisis teaches us anything, its that NO ONE is immune from this meltdown. No one's job is safe. Just something to consider before firing off a rude, insensitive comment.

110 -- Are you kidding? Isn't that the firm that just got Rule 11 sanctioned by the Northern District?

What is this nonsense about Skadden? Skadden doesn't have an Atlanta office, despite its prestige in other cities.
But I do agree with the 108 - if you have/need additional information, commenting is appropriate. Don't comment just to be a jerk, it makes us all look bad. Further, if this current economic crisis teaches us anything, its that NO ONE is immune from this meltdown. No one's job is safe. Just something to consider before firing off a rude, insensitive comment.

doesn't anyone have photos of the lesbian partner doing the client ? damn ! how about photos of the lesbian partner doing the golfer husband ? i am happy that scum from k&s got laid off - good riddance.

#3: Are the severance packages determined by what the test results are? Negative: 2 months; Positive: 6 months?

108 -- I know it sucks, but gonnorhea isn't as bad as you're making it sound

117 - the severance package is a function of how many times you have had sex with a client. In fact, it appears that partnership consideration also includes the same criteria - how far will you go to land the client or screw over a fellow partner ... will you interrogate a pregnant woman ... will you vandalize someone's property ... will you eavesdrop/spy on an atty ...

UPDATE - 120 laid off at K&S - not 80, like originally reported - 80 support & 40 attorneys

My favorite King & Spalding story (retold to me from a summer associate who declined an offer to go there after her summer) was that a few years back they had a wet t-shirt contest by and of the (female) summer associates. But apparently that made news, so they stopped the tradition.

120 - this is wonderful news !

121 - they are pure white southern trash ...

Anyone know if K&S's Breslau office is affected by this?

Lots of good stories here (like #76) but they are worthless without links to firm bio pages.

Hays just sent out a formal e-mail to All Staff - 37 attorneys & 85 support

A brutal day at K&S -- many first years laid off -- lots of tears. When you read about layoffs at other firms it seems scary but distant. When it hits your firm, it is very, very sad, even if you do not get the ax. The whole firm is shaken.

K&S has done stealth layoffs, particularly in corporate, over the past 6 months. While announced layoffs may be new to K&S, "performance based" layoffs are not.

It does appear 40 attorneys (10% of associates and counsel) were let go across all offices. All departments were affected. Many support staff were also let go.

Some "performance based" are because there is a better alternative to your unskilled labor. Welcome to the tournament.

127 - THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS ! WHY ARE YOU SHAKING ? DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS ? DO YOU HAVE THE NAMES OF THE VICTIMS ?

No photos. Yes, I have the names of victims, but am witholding that information out of respect for the innocent.

-- 127

130 - come on - there are no innocent folks at k&s

some like to sleep with clients and some don't ... what group are you in ?

No, 128. I had the pleasure of working with one of the performance based layoff victims. She was a great attorney. She was a junior on a deal I was running and she needed no direction and did everything that needed to be done, correctly. Unfortunately, she had the misfortune of being a woman on another deal where the client (a woman) hated women. Performance based layoffs are not always about performance. They are often about politics. And if you think otherwise, you are a tool.

126 - did the email say anything about start dates for incoming class or 3Ls with offers?

Anyone here work at A&B? Word in ATL is A&B has laid off a large number of associates in the past couple weeks for "performance" reasons.

I know a number of staff -- paralegals -- that were laid of at A&B about 2-4 weeks ago. I heard there were other layoffs.

All Personnel:

As you know, the U.S. and global economies continue to decline, creating unprecedented challenges for clients and their law firms. Unfortunately, our firm is not immune to the current and continuing economic turmoil that has impacted many of our clients and led to a reduction in demand for legal services.
We have been working hard in many different ways to manage the firm to respond to the reduction in demand. After lengthy and careful consideration, we have reluctantly concluded that we must also make some reductions in our lawyer and staff ranks. Thirty-seven associates and counsel and eighty-five staff are affected by this decision. Each has been personally advised today by their practice group leader or manager and offered a period of salary continuation to aid their transition.
We have taken these steps to adjust our staffing levels to current and anticipated demand with the firm's long-term interest in mind. We are confident our people, diversified practice mix, and geographic spread are underlying strengths that will enable King & Spalding to weather the current economic storm. Nevertheless, we regret the impact of this decision and appreciate the contributions our colleagues have made to our clients and the firm.

Robert D. Hays

First and Second years: Do not despair. If you have been laid off, I may hire you. I am a partner at a bankruptcy boutique firm that represents dozens of companies that are going out of business. My clients need bodies that will assist them with liquidation and fire sales. If you can stock shelves and do freight loading, I may have some temp assignments starting out at $20 an hour. I know it's not $160K a year but at least you will be doing something productive rather than rotting away in self-pity and depression. As a bonus, my HR dept. will help you with your law school loan forebearance applications. Stay tuned.

132, it took you one deal and four sentences to blame her layoff on her maidenhood, which is both too little and too much.

Are you naive enough to think politics isn't part of your performance? Blame it on whatever you, but the game's the same, just more fierce.

105: Sutherland is the most revered firm. Intellectuals.

137=
Where do I sign up? Sounds like an assignment that is more substantive than document review. Plus, I can at least go home and tell people I put in a hard day of honest work for decent wages.

A recently laid off first year who has spent most of the day staring down the barrel of a gun.

105: Sutherland is the most revered firm -- they are quiet intellectuals who don't waste their time on politics or scandal. A&B is a close second.

What's happening with the firm fka PoGo?
I've heard they are going through ANOTHER round of layoffs.

I agree, there is a lot of insensitivity on this board to people who did everything right, but find themselves in a very bad spot. Its blatantly obvious that most posters on this site are law students who really have no idea what thats like. In other words, you’re best not to take anything you see here too seriously. One bit of evidence we are dealing with law students- the comment numbers drop perceptibly on Friday, when many are not in school. Ditto for January, when many are on break.

RobbinsLaw, LLC. Ha...that is good stuff for those in the know!

Now seriously... good luck to all the K&S folks (and those at the other firms continuing more of the same, no doubt).

#143 -- My sincere thanks.

any word on 3L start date?

I imagine that 3Ls are not first and foremost on their minds right now given that they are laying off people who are already working.

139/141 is joking

How in the world has A&B kept its open secret layoffs from getting an ATL post? Even without public acknowledgment, surely there are enough ATL tipsters to substantiate a layoffs post so we can get into some A&B bashing.

All the top 10 Atlanta law firms have done massive layoffs of attorneys and staff. Sutherland, McKenna, Smith Gambrell, A&B.

Yes, what is the story on A&B? Last I heard the firm moved up associate reviews and was sharpening the butcher knife.

149 - No clue how ATL missed it or who at A&B bribed elie to protect the distinguished fortune rating.

A&B laid off about 10 in January, there was a story in the Fulton county report about this. some more rumors exist from the very near past related to the associate reviews that were moved up as well. Has A&B laid people off, absolutely and fair to say some for performance and some for economic.

A&B laid off about 15 in January, then said its was less than 10 in the Daily Report and that layoffs were finished. The next day, they laid off 3 more. Since then, several more have been laid off (some for performance).

Summer program at K&S Atlanta office was slashed to 8 weeks. Shortest in the city. Not even PoGo / Bryan Cave has gone that far.

Actually, Bryan Cave/PoGo program in Atlanta is 7 weeks.

Let's see if today's K&S news will shine a light on how the other Hays brother is managing to keep A&B's (purported) layoffs out of the news.
Other than the 10 reported in Jan. nothing else has been reported.

154 -- I'd rather a firm "slash" its summer program to save a few real associate jobs, than cater to silly law students with oversized egos and senses of entitlement.

114: Yes, RobbinsLaw was found in violation of Rule 11 in the N.D. Ga.

It's easy to keep layoffs out of the news -- just make the cuts gradually and keep your employees in the dark, leaving everyone to worry in fear that they will be next and ensuring there is no centralized information to verify the cuts. That is the A&B approach -- treat the associates like hired help and show them no respect. What a great place -- not.

It's easy to keep layoffs out of the news -- just make the cuts gradually and keep your employees in the dark, leaving everyone to worry in fear that they will be next and ensuring there is no centralized information to verify the cuts. That is the A&B approach -- treat the associates like hired help and show them no respect. What a great place -- not.

#160. compared to some other firms in town (um... K&S, Jones Day), A&B is a far better place to be. at a&b it really comes down to what partners you do or don't mesh with.

Where are the Jones Day bashers? That firm is rank.

A&B may be a better place than K&S but it still sucks balls.

K&S handled its lay offs in the most unprofessional way possible. We were required to leave the firm, without access to email or phone, immediately and all doors were closed on the way out. If this firm ever sells itself as a classy place to work, where people are open and genuine, run like mad in the other direction. I wish i had.

#162. IMO, A&B (probably like most other big firms) completely FAIL to develop their young lawyers. document review does not make you a skillful attorney.

#163. most people already know know that K&S is not classy, nor a desired work environment.

Actually, I think aside from Atlanta, 3Ls are cool.

#165, it depends on which office you're in.

i think most people know k&s is all about ppp. they could care less about associates, staff, etc. definitely all about the equity partners making their share.

that being said, i feel for the people that lost their jobs today. most associates i have met from k&s are fine attorneys and good people. nobody deserves this. unlike some of the posters on this board, i believe movement to another firm is not possible or the best career move.

i only hope that good students remember what k&s did on this day and think twice before drinking the punch and signing on. the a-holes at the top won't be going anywhere, as long as they have associates to do their bidding.

#163, I think what you described is pretty standard - at least for staff. I'm not defending K&S or any other firms who boot staff out the door in a harsh and abrupt manner, but many do it. However upset you may be, don't burn bridges, and focus on those at your former firm who are willing to help you with references, useful contacts, and job leads.

Been there, done that, don't want the stupid T-shirt.

147 - that makes no sense. Pretty much every firm is thinking about 3L start dates as they lay off associates. Perhaps you don't read above the law very often...

Troutman Sanders has been holding stealth layoffs since early 2008 as well. 3 mos "severance" in which you are technically employed by the firm, but they ask you not to do any work.

Look, all layoffs suck. In my experience, the people at K&S are just about the same as the people at A&B and other big firms around the country. Generally good people, with a few a-holes mixed in here and there. I'm not surprised that the owners of the businesses care about profits -- I'd be surprised if they did not. If that bothers you, then stop practicing law at any firm and join either a public interest organization or the government.

Whoever said Sutherland is a classy firm is nuts. Check out their energy practice. The woman partner slept her way into partnership then played the victim, lying and withholding information from her partners. And she's still working there, while they send honest people home. No integrity there folks.

For those dumping on K&S, a few things to remember:

1. K&S did not freeze salaries, unlike almost every other BigLaw firm in Atlanta and most around the country;

2. K&S paid big bonuses to the lawyers who made their hours. Real big; for senior associates, far bigger than the Cravath bonuses. I know a 6th year who received over $45K.

The layoffs totally suck. We all get that. Pretty much every BigLaw firm is now doing them -- whether they admit it or not. At least K&S is treating its remaining lawyers well. A&B is so obsessed with PPP that it has been dumping associates, de-equitizing partners, freezing salaries, and giving shitty bonuses for those who work really hard.

174 -- I reluctantly have to admit that K&S has stood out in Atlanta in terms of how it has handled salary and bonus the last couple of years. This is now a topic we all have moved past in light of the industry-wide layoffs, but recruits should remember that A&B totally f***ed its associates by sticking to a compressed (and now frozen) salary structure and by refusing to match K&S's much higher and less compressed bonus. In terms of layoffs, which is worse -- laying off 37 associates on one day and admitting it to the firm, or laying off a large, unknown number of associates secretly in a way that suggests they suck, rather than the economy?

According to the Fulton Daily Report, Sutherland recently has done an undisclosed number of layoffs. Wasserman wouldn't say how many supposedly to protect those who were laid off.

#173 ... that is the least of Sutherland's problems. They have many issues.

If any of those laid off employees at Sutherland really want to feel sucker punched, ask why they are still keeping around the woman who lied to her partners and jeopardized a very difficult and sensitive issue with the firm. Yet, they are letting go of honest hard working people and keeping a known liar and cheat. Employees, associates, partners and clients beware.

#177....that's what I'm talking about!

174 -- Actually, K&S did freeze associate salaries.

173: Mark Wusserman is not the best at managing a firm.

Don't blame it all on Wasserman. The practice groups that for some reason think they are above it all are a big part of the problem. In the old days, Sutherland had much more control, and actually had a culture of lawyers who had some ethics.

Wusserman allows the practice groups to act the way they do, even though he has been warned again and again about their misbehavior.

It didn't just start with Wasserman, but when it was time to step up to the plate and do something, they punted. I say it's time to clean house.

"There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home."

Time for the wizard to come out from behind the curtain, this ain't Kansas anymore Dorothy.

doom and gloom= change we can believe in. Typed without the need for a teleprompter.

What about the K&S Silicon Valley office? How many attorneys were let go?

Oh please, let's not make this political. Go rant on the Fox News blogs.

King & Spalding Silicon Valley is a joke. Everyone in the office should be laid off.

3L's are supposed to get a larger signing bonus next week along with notice of the deferred start date.

180 -- you are wrong; no salary freeze at K&S.

any thoughs on future layoffs at K&S or cuts like profit sharing?

any thoughs on future layoffs at K&S or cuts like profit sharing?

How many at A&B were laid off?

How many at Sutherland were laid off?

While there was not a firmwide salary freeze at K&S, apparently some associates had their salaries frozen.

Pretty sure 174 was contrasting a firmwide salary freeze that treats everyone the same -- such as was done at A&B, Sutherland, KS, and lots of national firms -- with the general approach of K&S not to freeze salaries, except some who received a freeze as part of an annual review. The K&S approach makes sense -- treat everyone based on their performance; the across the board freeze of other firms is bullshit.

Hey, you can quit comparing Sutherland to the other top tier firms. They are so old school, might as well be talking about Hurt Richardson. They've lost their standing. Done. Finished. All the misbehaving partners can go back to PHJ&W. Hey, Dorothy, maybe you can go home again. The partners you screwed over there are all gone.....too bad the wizard can't give you a heart.

182/183: stop blaming the litigation group's misdeeds on the rest of Sutherland. Just because they suck doesn't mean the whole firm does.

198 is right. The drama you are talking about happened with the litigation group, NOT the energy group (despite that person's repeated insistence of same..). I'm in the lit practice at Sutherland and the perpetrators are pretty much gone from the firm (put 2 and 2 together). I also know the firm has several groups doing quite well right now, including tax, outsourcing and its strong energy practice. Everyone I have worked with in tax and energy are solid and very smart lawyers. Its a good firm on good footing.

yes, K&S is all about PPP. but there's a certain level of caveat emptor at work- the firm's very transparent with its associates about profitability, realization, the value to partners of leveraging associates, etc. they try to spin PPP as the market's metric for performance, which is partially true (it's as close as you can get to stock price in a partnership).

i work there, and i hate it. but it's because i hate the BigLaw work environment. if i had to work at a BigLaw firm, k&s would always stay high on my list, simply bc they don't pretend or try to act duplicative about what they are and what their associates are good for.

alston is alston; their layoffs were interesting and creative. several of their best talent were given half salary and placed into in-house or non-profit positions, supported by the firm, with the hope to hire them back after a year. that's the type of stuff k&s is NOT. or latham's offer for 3L's, and their six-month severance, trying to lead the market in layoff quality... that's not what K&S is either.

they want to maximize profitability. that's it. nothing wrong with that, although you'd hope that there is still some remnant of corporate responsibility and some provision being made for loyal employees, and K&S tends to screw people over more these days (i heard the staff severance, including secretaries of tenure > 25 years, don't include benefits like health insurance).

but you get what you sign up for. that's for sure.

Litigation at Sutherland should be getting better now that it has a new PGL. Oh -- wait -- I guess they now have the same loser PGL that they had before the most recent loser PGL left. History repeats itself. Too bad for Sutherland.

#173: Don't be too hard on her. Sleeping your way to the top is the Sutherland way. If you aren't open to it, and if you aren't willing to put up with blatant sexual harassment, then this is not the firm for you.

Why does Sutherland always get the bad rap about sexual harassment? Good grief. This post is supposed to be about K&S. LEAVE SUTHERLAND ALONE!

Yea, but K&S doesn't have as good of stories. And to the person who keeps thinking it only happened in litigation, go ask the woman partner in energy....face to face. Sutherland just thinks it is going to keep sweeping it under the rug. And the details are even more astonishing. For real.

For some reason, I am picturing a red-faced, balding managing partner stomping his foot and shouting. I'm just saying.

does anyone have pictures of the lesbian partner going down on the client ? i want to work at this circus. how about the partner who lets her husband gamble at golf all day while a nanny watches the kids - that is unreal. oh, and how about the practice group leader there who hires lateral partners just to see if he can screw them over.

is it true that the k&s silicon valley office was was opened to allow a partner who came out of the closet a gay-friendly city to work in ?

I work as an associate at Alston + Bird. What a shithole -- if I did not need the money to pay off my loans (and if it was not impossible to get another well paying job), I would be out of here. The firm never stepped up to paying us the same that firms that K&S and Sutherland -- Sutherland! -- is paying its associates. And then, the firm started firing people for clearly economic reasons but did not step up and admit it. Really low-brow.

I wouldn't assume that Sutherland associates are getting paid well. They have a significant percentage of their salary deferred and they only get it if they meet their hours. Sounds reasonable, but they have no work so it is impossible to meet your hours.

What I don't get is how A&B has managed to stay out of the press, including ATL, with its layoffs when everyone seems to know about them.

190 - That is not true. The signing bonus will not be any larger than originally planned. However, you are right about the deferred start date - January 2010.

Sutherland is dying. Top partners are fleeing the firm. Only big firm in Atlanta worse off is Kilpatrick.

Okay children. You are just feeding Sutherland's ego by talking about them like they are in the same league as K&S. They have been behind the curve for a long time. And if you want a circus, the story about the energy practice would make a Lifetime drama look like Sesame Street. Lindsay Lohan's gay girlfriend has the staring role. One of the Jonas brothers is playing the kid. I'm telling you, you can't make this stuff up! George Lucas is producing and staring in it as well.

Top partners? I don't think I would call them top partners.

Of course all of the partners who are leaving are from the litigation group where Sutherland has no top partners in the first place.

212--

Now you're just making stuff up. Kilpatrick is handling the current economic storm a lot better than many of the other major firms in town. Your only proof for saying that KS is worse off than the other major firms in town seems to be the vague assertion of "partners leaving." I have no idea what you're talking about; but, even if it's true, there is a difference between partners leaving because they are asked to leave and those who leave because (i) they think the grass is greener somewhere else or (ii) they understand that their practice/rate structure cannot continue under the same roof as that of their former partners and good friends.

The fact that you didn't make any of these distinctions in your post tells me a lot about where you're pulling your information from. I have a lot of good friends over there, and you're not doing anybody any favors by posting BS on this site.

Bottom line: find something better to do with your time than talking down firms that would never hire you.

I'm a non equity partner at Sutherland - trust me, we're doing well.. Sure, we don't have the PPP that K&S has, but we're still doing quite well despite the downturn and have several practices that are still churning out hours. Don't believe the BS.

Second, I'd love to hear this so called drama regarding the energy practice, since I'm positive the drama you're referring to (i.e., alleged sleeping way to top) occurred in the litigation practice group. Unless you're talking about another one of the firm's offices outside of Atlanta, you're off base. There was a moderate 'scandal' (if you can call a partner sleeping with an of counsel that) several years ago in that group, but neither is with the firm any longer (the partner being forced out due to other issues- mainly that certain personal habits were interfering with his work product and client relationships). But hey, if you know something I don't, please enlighten us instead of throwing around what seems to be baseless hearsay..

Sure, sure ... if doing discount auto franchise litigation is "doing well." Just how many partners have you lost in the past year? What were the annual revenues of those partners?

163...I worked at K&S in NYC up until 11/08...They are very unprofessional about the way things are done there...i am not surprised that e-mail and phone access was cut. It's so that the word does not get out to media outlets before old man hays is ready to speak. Mark my words, you are going to see history repeat itself...King and Spalding is going to be the 2009 "thacher profitt wood"...

I was let go in a similar fashion, but what goes around comes around....Good luck to you on the job hunt...

218- your ignorance about Sutherland is blinding if you think auto franchise litigation is a cornerstone practice for the firm. That's laughable. Last I checked, the Tallahassee office was no more (which, btw, did just that and left to seek (ahem) other pastures). I'll leave it at that.

We have strong countercyclical practices. Outsourcing, for example. Tax is doing very, very well. Energy is doing great and has excellent institutional type clients. Even real estate has picked up a notch as of late. Corp/M&A has as well- several of our corp associates are hitting their hours thus far in 2009. Litigation is doing ok- not great, but not bad either. There's meaningful work there that's still in the pipeline.

is it true that the IP practice group leader at KS has a notebook in his office in which he writes down a diary of his day - including reviews of other attys ? if so, someone go into his office, take it, and publish the pages on the Internet.

220: It is hard to believe that a tax practice could be highly leveraged enough to contribute much. Sure it's what Sutherland is known for, but I seriously doubt it's much of a cash cow. As for "several" corporate associates meeting their hours, good for you -- sounds like the firm is going gangbusters. It doesn't send a good message when partner after powerhouse partner leaves the firm within a matter of twelve months, particularly when they are lifelong Sutherlanders who are stars in the Atlanta legal community. And, no, we are not so naive to think that these lawyers didn't take clients with them, big clients that we have read about many times in the FCDR over the years.

Okay. I will SPELL it out. The ONLY woman partner that came into the firm with the energy group slept with the partner who left for several years while she was trying to make partner. When the male partner got pushed out, she sat there and played the victim while she knew all along she had been part of his sickness. She lied to the partners and withheld information. DOES THAT SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? The powers that be know all about it. But, they are pretending that all is well.

Hello non equity partner. Your firm is giving you bullshit. They know that they had partners there who played with fire, probably on one of those "great institutional" type clients time.

And it serves them right with the two high profile partners who went to K&S, after Sutherland bent over to them when they were screwing around.

I'd say it's time your sorry ass firm did some enlightening of you and the other people who depend on it for their living. This ain't Kansas anymore....is it Dorothy?

What was his sickness?

224: Sutherland doesn't tell its partners anything. Case in point -- the FCDR article saying that a major partner was retiring only to have it come out the next week that he was going to K&S.

My impression of Sutherland (litigation anyway) is that it is a bunch of pervey old men coming on to young associates. You just wouldn't believe the stuff that goes on openly in that place. I would never go back there even in this crappy economy.

Just found out the Recruiting officer in NY is banging the Managing Partner - no joke!!! Needlessto say, she survived the cuts on Friday!!!

Just found out the Recruiting officer in NY is banging the Managing Partner - no joke!!! Needless to say, she survived the cuts on Friday!!!

this talk about sutherland and K&S is complete horse manure. despite what the folks in atlanta think, no atlanta firm, NO ATLANTA FIRM is thought of in the realm of a top tier firm outside of atlanta. all this talk about sutherland and ks seems to be news to you all but has been well known for a long time outside of the south. sutherland, ks, kilstock, ab...all second to third tier firms. they are all doing fine for their level of prestige.

what were his personal habits?

What was his sickness? If it was sleeping with his associates, then it has been going around Sutherland for quite some time.

I think what is sicker is the woman who is still there. A perfect mentor for all the women associates coming up through the ranks at Sutherland. Spread your legs and "work" your way to partner. Then, bitch about not making the same as the big boys. Lie to and deceive your partners. Who cares? Obviously Sutherland doesn't. But, this stuff doesn't just happen on off duty time, the client is paying for alot of these escapades. Wonder if they care?

is it true that KS opened their san fran office to give their gay partners a place to play ?

can someone get the notebook that the IP practice group leader at KS keeps on the shelf in his office ? it apparently contain the reviews of all of the associates in the group. when he worked in the atlanta office, one of the associates used to sneak in his office and read it - that is outstanding

does KS still interrogate women who are 9 months pregnant to get information about other partners ?

233 -- I understand what you are saying but do you know just how many times this has happened at Sutherland? Many, many, many.

Forget about interrogating women who are 9 months pregnant at KS, at Sutherland, the partners get pregnant from their work partner affairs and don't tell their spouses.

237- Yep, it happens all the time. Just think Sutherland needs to quit pretending. Quit pretending they are a top tier firm and quit pretending they are respectable and ethical. They aren't.

238 - that is such bullshit.

does KS still interrogate women who are 9 months pregnant to get information about other partners ?

they used to - one of the partners in the NY office did one interrogation of a pregnant paralegal - 3 days before her delivery was induced - real classy

211 - Can someone give more information on 3L starting dates????

240- no it's not. Just like someone is right on the money about the energy practice group.

243 - Partners get pregnant from their work affairs and don't tell their spouses? Yet they tell you? Give me a break.

Hey, where are all the defenders of Sutherland. Did they get the alert to stop the blogging?

234: Atlanta is one of the most gay friendly cities in America outside of SF. For example, the Atlanta Pride Festival, held in Midtown (where basically all decent Atlanta firms are located), is the biggest pride festival on the east coast.

Outside of the metro area, not so much, but I wouldn't think that KS partners venture to many places in the state outside of Atlanta anyways.

223: I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are the jilted ex-spouse.

How exactly is one person a part of another person's sickness?

the anti-Sutherland person is a freaking lunatic. like 100 posts on a K&S thread.

there's good and bad practice groups at all these firms.

sorry but K&S is the firm that just fired a bunch of people. making up stuff about Sutherland won't change that. sorry it didn't work out for you at Sutherland.

Really, where are all the people who could provide info on people losing their jobs at these firms? I'm beginning to wonder if the firms aren't' creating this chaos to take away from the fact that people are being laid off!

I don't know about the "ex" part.

I'm always amazed that you atlanta associates use any story on ATL as a forum to vent the same smut about the top firms in the city. Anyone who follows Atlanta biglaw sees the same trolls railing against K&S, A&B, Troutman, Sutherland, KS, and the firm formerly known as PoGo. Yes, we get it--every firm has problems, and every firm is mismanaged to some degree. You're just playing Sunday morning quarterback with your own limited knowledge of the issues and politics involved.. No need to air your former firm's dirty laundry here (repeatedly).

Not to nitpick, but I think it mostly happens with Sutherland. I haven't seen much venting of smut about K&S, A&B, Troutman, KS, or PoGo.

I simply have to ask: is the "sickness" restless leg syndrome.

No. I think it was restless dick syndrome.

And the woman's problem was something else. And no, this isn't the ex. Loose lips sink ships, (you hear that all you partners who talk to your spouses?)

And the woman had a different problem. And no, this isn't the ex...loose lips sink ships (to all you partners who think your idle chatter doesn't go anywhere).

Isn't this the place to gossip?

NY Managing Partner doing the Recruiting Manager - then again, she has done quite a few over the years.....

I think there is more then one ranting lunatic about Sutherland.

The partners love gossip. They just don't want other people to find out about their misbehavior. It gets in the way of fooling the next one in line. They certainly don't want the associates gossiping about everything that has been swept under the very lumpy rug.

The partners love gossip. They just don't want other people to find out about their misbehavior. It gets in the way of fooling the next one in line. They certainly don't want the associates gossiping about everything that has been swept under the very lumpy rug.

The partners love gossip. They just don't want other people to find out about their misbehavior. It gets in the way of fooling the next one in line. They certainly don't want the associates gossiping about everything that has been swept under the very lumpy rug.

doesn't anyone at KS have photos of the lesbian partner in action ?

doesn't anyone at KS have photos of the lesbian partner in action ?

No, but I heard there are some pictures from the other firm we aren't supposed to talk about because we're not supposed to be picking on them any more. Seems like someone liked to have souvenirs.

I just want to know what it's like when they give you the secret handshake. And who the hell is the partner in charge? Somebody needs to be kicking ass and taking names.

isn't there an allegation that one of the managing partners divorced his wife to marry an associate? aren't there allegations that the other one fathered a child w a former associate who left that firm after getting knocked up. he too got divorced.

No, the associate who left was not pregnant (she was an associate, not of council) , it was the married one who stayed. Like I said, you can't make this stuff up.

#268. are you referring to another managing partner or incident? the associate named the baby after the partner. (the baby's first name is the partner's middle name).

are you people talking about K & S or Sutherland? Impossible to tell

i'm pretty sure that #269 was A&B.

Well, damn, no wonder they're doing layoffs!

Don't worry, those fat ass partners who are doing all this crap aren't sweating it.

You mean they named the baby "Asshole"? Wonder if she had the partner's wife give her a baby shower like the other woman did.

doesn't anyone at KS have photos of the lesbian partner in action ?

doesn't anyone at KS have photos of the lesbian partner in action ?

why does KS list 2 IP partners in the Houston office when just one actually works there ? Is it to create the appearance that another human being would actually want to work with the IP partner that actually works there ? typical KS dishonesty.

doesn't anyone at KS have photos of the lesbian partner in action ?

Hey....to the partner who is counting the comments about Sutherland......where are we now Big Ben?

partners in their mid-to-late 40s hit the jackpot. their law school tuition but them back a few grand and now they are making tons of money by bringing in young talented attorneys, immersing them in document review projects and then letting them go a few years down the road.

when is the last time an associate made equity partner? 8 years ago? 10? non-equity partnership is nothing more than a high paid associate.

That's for sure. And now they are out sourcing document review.

no document review = no need for associates.

Yea. Everyone knows the only good reason for an associate is for the partner to get free sex. Even lesbian sex. And, according to all this, maybe the associate can get a baby. It's a win for EVERYONE, until you can't pass along the high price to the clients of associates for what they are.....highly paid whores....(okay, I know that doesn't include all associates who drank the kool-aid and didn't know any better and were forced out after they served their purpose). A FORMER PARTNER WHO GOT OUT WHILE THE GETTING WAS GOOD.

And got some from the paralegals, associates, secretaries, file clerks, and every other kind of female working at my firm. GOT SOME AND THEN GOT OUT AND NO ONE GAVE A DAMN.

how did the IP practice group leader at KS get his job ? did he have sex with the managing partner ? i heard that the lesbian partner got herself a life partner and they had themselves a baby - did the IP practice group leader donate the sperm ?

Okay. End of this thread. Sutherland counter....how many posts? Just know, I know what you did, I know how you did it, and I'm coming at ya.

Hey, forget naming a baby after the partner, I just heard the partner named his dog after his associate's husband.

Hey Sutherland aint' no old school firm in fact they are pretty damm sexually progressive. In fact so progressive that not only do the partners sleep around with the opposite sex but some even go further if y'all know what I mean. Kind'a like the penguins when they have to either fuck someone or freeze.

Funny how these degenerates came over all moral when the time's right for them personally. Guess they all figured they would be sitting pretty with some high falut'n clients. Makes y' all wonder what else they lied about.

237, you have a chip on your shoulder, ha ha,

287, you have a chip on your shoulder, ha ha,

Liar, Liar pants on Fire. Someone dial 911 for Sutherland and it's lying sack of partners.

Actually, she has a chip for a husband, ha ha.

Yuck, yuck.

Wow you guys really DO work for SAB!

Like Dorothy said, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home".

So, Sutherland is threatening people not to post on the blog.... because it's unprofessional??

How about they do something about all the unprofessional things going on at their firm??

I would go a step further and say that some of the things they are doing and have done are UNETHICAL and maybe, just maybe, ILLEGAL.

Take that wussies.

It still amazes me to see a money grabbing white trash ex wife bitching about things in the past. Baring in mind she came from nothing and ended up basically stealing her husbands fortune and Buckhead house you think she would be happy? I guess she just wants more of SAB's money to make her feel better about being such a lousy lay that her husband had to look elsewhere.........

Yea 297, I'm sure you're right about that. And what old timer is still calling it SAB? And from what I hear, it wasn't her that was the lousy lay.

Hey, 297.... are you the sick RLS sufferer? Man, you got some anger issues to take care of.

Is there some hush money involved here? Why so touchy?

Blame, blame, blame.

Shame on you, 297. Unless of course you are the poor soul who had to look elsewhere and blame others. Just get your rocks off and keep it to yourself.

Tough luck.

Okay, I just want to know. Who the hell is defending the partner with "personal habits" that affected his work and client relations???

Okay, I just want to know. Who the hell is defending the partner with "personal habits" that affected his work and client relations???

What I want to know is how someone made a "fortune" at Sutherland.

Has anyone shopped the screenplay for this story?

I always knew Sutherland was a good old boy racist firm, but the "white trash" is just too good as well as the part of "coming from nothing". THANK YA MASTER. GOTTA HAVE THAT BLUE BLOOD IN MA VEINS TO MAKE IT WITH THA OTHER MASTERS WHO LIVE IN THEM BUCKHEAD HOUSES....SO SORRY MASTER.

STEP N FETCH IT

304 you are an idiot, it is the ex wife who sued the fired partner for his money 297 is talking about, seems fair enough to me, she keeps on bad mouthing the firm and partners where her husband worked and she has already got millions in a settlement and she is still complaining. Most women make minimum wage in GA and she is pissed living in a 2 million dollar house never having to work again.

298 so you have personal sexual experience with the wife or partner?

Okay 305. Now I know you are an idiot and don't live in Buckhead or have any idea what you are talking about. I know all about this story....there were no millions...no fortune.... no two million dollar house. If that's what you think, maybe you should try to go buy the house for 1 million, and then you could make out like a bandit. You are being silly. And stupid. If you are so smart, what's the story on bad mouthing the partners and trying to get money out of the firm. Put your money where your mouth is instead of talking out of your ass. If the story is what I've heard, it's Sutherland (not SAB anymore) who's trying to slander her because she happens to know about something they don't want others to know. Yea, people know the story, but it has more to do with partners going home and telling their spouses and their chatty spouse talking it up at their kids school then it does with the ex. Wussies.

Yea, you're not part of the blue blood thing....you probably think women deserve to make minimum wage.

Now you're losing me people. She sued the fired partner and got money from Sutherland? How does that work? And is this the same partner with the associate girlfriend who might have had his baby and the wife gave her a babyshower? Is the associate a lesbian partner at K&S now? Is the baby or the dog named after the partner. Are there pictures? What the hell were the personal habits? And why do partners who misbehave end up at K&S?

Sounds like a smear campaign. What's is someone trying to hide?

306- I would say about half the female population in the firms he worked with had sexual contact with him. I'm doubt anyone could satisfy that kind of desire. No personal experience, but form heard he wasn't all that good. That's probably will he had to keep on trying.

306- Don't know about her performance but if looks are anything she was beyond hot. White trash....not in a million years.

307 you are an idiot and incorrect. A partner got fired and his wife was in the middle of divorcing him at the time. Now she is pissed because although she has already got his Buckhead house and a large severance, this is now in jeopardy because he was fired, and is trying to change the payments to her. She thinks by leveraging the fact that he happened to sleep with 2 other partners at Sutherlin that she can use this to get them to pay her some "keep quite" money. Fact is its old knowlege to the other partners and she should be grateful with what she has already screwed him and Sutherlin out of. You may not think 250k plus a year in payments is enough but most will think thats good money for a woman who never made more than 30k before she was married. Remember her only association with Suntherlin is she was once married to a partner.

jeez it sounds like "wars of the roses" with nasty nancys team winning by half a point...........

Well 312, you certainly seem to know alot about this. Is she asking Sutherland for money? Why would they pay her money? What do you mean by old news? Is the reason you used SAB because you don't know how to spell Sutherland? If that's the case, how do you know so much about all this?

Ah, if she's the one talking on this thing, I'm pretty sure she's not going to get any "keep quiet" money, so I think you might be alittle off base. Anyway, your firm sounds like a cess pool. Glad I don't work there.

What is it with the term Buckhead house, don't all the lawyer who work at these firms live in Buckhead?? Don't tell me, you're a fat over weight bitter unmarried file clerk who slept with the partner too.

What is it with you people attacking someone's private matters to protect your precious firm. You are petty, messed up people, I'm glad I' don't work there either.

It what I heard was "old news" to the partners and they still did what they did and the way they did it, they need to worry about more than "quite money".....maybe that's why they are attacking so much on this page.

I"m thinking I'm going to make sure she reads all these things so she can get good and mad at you idiots.

I hear Westminister School are hiring more unemployed lawyers..............

319 how can someone who is already insane get good and mad?

This reads like a typical Atlanta law firm, whats new?

You mean Westminster Schools? Is this the same person who can't spell Sutherland but know all about this crap?

Don't tell me, it's a Buckhead school to go with the Buckhead house. Get over it....THEY ALL LIVE IN BUCKHEAD, AND THEY ALL GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

And the private schools have their in house"Dr.'s" to help the insane. Oh wait, the Dr. is the mother in law. This is getting too complicated.

Danielle, stop this foolishness right now!!

Hey, I knwo about the typo....know.....I'm just trying to sound as ignorant as all you fools.

Let's see, the village idiot spelled Sutherland wrong three times, yet she knows white trash and the entire divorce story? This person does't know how and when to use was and were? They don't know a house isn't awarded until the divorce is FINAL so they couldn't have been in the middle of anything with that decision being made. Please, don't tell me you ever worked at the firm. Was he sleeping with the cleaning lady too? (Sorry if I have offended any of the manual labor here).

Heres a thought people, maybe some posters are smart enough to write dumb on purpose?

If you ignore the typos etc what is being said sounds pretty accurate to what is doing the rounds within suderland (joke).

See there is a difference between steet smart and book smart and guess which ones make partners.........

Okay....so wich patner is wroting this?

You people r so vicious.

Or freaking stupid. Is this ever gonna end? What is accurate? Who da baby daddy? Was the lesbian always a lesbian or only after she was with the white trash Buckhead pretenders private school loving whatever? If it's making the rounds with sunderland (not joke) give it up for the homies. Who da daddy?
And who's loving the lesbian now? Who be working at that place now? I gotta get me some of that.

Yessir, Master.

These posts are going straight to the FCDR to the snark. OMP....can you not control this??????

I'm beginning to think the herpes rumor was tame compared to this.

Gee, I'm sorry I'm not around for the fun anymore with this firm, but I do know these people and I'd do the nasty insane white trash over the ugly lesbian any day.

Bro you can do the bitta skeezer easy as long as yo hav a nice banc roll and still do the legal thang, all these bitches (even the lesbos and fags) want is an easay life in Buckhed and look down on othas from tere old hood who still stuck ther. They suc the life outa suckas and push the sucka for mo an mo money prommotion and bling. Can't blame a workin brotha or sista for lettin off sum steeem under them circumstnces. The bitches are cool with the cheating and only get nasty when the cash stops rolling in an thretens tere prestege. Some folks even ave fack marragies to mak em look stragiht. Basically the same MO as a ho down the Cheetah but with more attitude and less respec for the workin suckas if you know what I mean.

332 succinctly put, you must be a partner with KS.

Does anyone think it's odd here that there is alot of mud slinging at the women involved, but nothing about the partner who was fired?

How do you fire a partner?

Don't they have to vote you out of the partnership?

334 everyone knows the partner who was fired was a rainmaker, kept many others in work and made SAB a ton of money. His personal life was irrelevent as should be everyones. Now he's gone thats a whole lot of money to go round and another partner discredited means one less person in the pot to get it. There is no honor between partners at this law firm.

It doesn't take a genius to see what we have here is an online catfight between an ex partners wife and a partners (sham) wife who both want to bring down the female partner, both have different agenda's but both want the same thing, more money.

There are no real partners positng on this site, they don't have the time.

336 you are full of it. You don't know what you are talking about. The fired partner was a vile person and a threat to all women.

well some women liked him,

Sham on all of you!

How do you fire a partner, a rainmaker at that, and keep all the business to split up among everyone else?

If that's true, there is no honor among partners.

But more importantly, if there's alot more money to go around, then I guess no layoffs are coming at Sutherland, right?

According to the hours I've seen some partners having at Sutherland, they have plenty of time to be on this blog.

can't answer you 341 but thats what they did,

I am sure there are more layoffs coming.........

The only person that would defend the fired vile partner is the fired vile partner.

He's the one who has the ax to grind.

follow the money people, its why we all want to be partners, no?

I hope nothing comes out about what happened at the U of G when experimentation was all the rage.

I hope nothing comes out about what happened at the U of G when experimentation was all the rage.

I hope nothing comes out about what happened at the U of G when experimentation was all the rage.

Ok, listen you unprofessional loser Sutherland associates and ex-associates, get over it. You are just bitter over your own screw ups. Try working and shutting your mouth for once.

310: how can that be when he is so UGLY?

324 Danielle who?

Dorothy Chip Danielle Good Grief

350- Are yo tha patner who taking names and kickin butt

let's keep our eyes on the prize: pictures of the lesbian K&S laywer in action.

Was that the threesome?

You guys are so unprofessional. Seriously.

Don't shoot the messenger. We're not the one's having threesome's, affairs, getting rid of partners and stealing their clients, having lesbian sex, having baby daddy identity crisis, or getting our rocks off on clients time.

Seriously, I think that's unprofessional.

This forum is providing a valuable service to the up and coming associates. In these tough times, we all need to know there are lots of way to rise through the ranks besides just billable hours. And with really hard work, you can knock off the high paid partners along the way and split the profits. And to think, all along we thought those guys were untouchable. This brings us all hope!

They are untouchable! Name one who has been touched.

Ask Dorothy.

I thought that partner was "touched" because of a "sickness" and personal issues that resulted in an inability to conduct client business. I assume that if things were okay on the client front, he could have taken his clients and gone to play elsewhere.

Thanks for dashing all of our hopes. I guess we won't be getting the lesbian pictures now either.

There are no pictures and, trust me, you don't want them. Scary.

Hey K&S, we might not be able to take you on in the legal world but we can sure as hell take over your blog!

Sutherland

you guys are still coming up short about the lesbian wife................there is more than one lesbian lurking..................

jesus, all this sex and intrigue,

makes the borgias over at K&S seem like amateurs

wish I'd interned over at Sunderland instead of K&S

I know, I think she's a spouse though.

Don't worry, KS got two of the players just a few months ago

whos a spouse? the lesbian?

One's a partner and one's a spouse, or so I hear.

367 Sutherland still have more, its called mentoring,

369 you may be onto something,

Well, after looking at some of the faces on their website, I think I'll pass on the mentoring. I've never been that hard up.

I think they all sleep together because no one else will.

How much do you think they had to pay to have that stupid lion and lamb on their website? I think they should have had a sheep in wolf's clothing. They have the most ridiculous home page I've ever seen.

* Firms might not care if their associates trust them. But firms better care whether or not their clients do. [The Greatest American Lawyer]

Yes, the sex and intrigue at Sutherland go on and on. Sex. Intrigue. Exploitation. Abuse. Sexual harassment. Breaches of fiduciary duty. Partners stabbing partners in the back. Infidelity. Breaches of ethics. Breaches of trust. Narcissism galore. It's a different train wreck every day in the halls of 999. Sutherland Asbill & Brennan must be turning in their graves.

Asbill and Brennan would be glad that they removed their names.

I wish I could be there as some of these outed partners walk down the halls now. The hall of shame.

ha ha ha 372. there is one girl I would sleep with there, sort of a girl next door but she may be gone by now.

When I summered at Sutherland a female partner was married to a registered sex offender. Classy.

353: no you idiot. I know who it is.

Lets be real people its not as if this doesn't go on at K&S too.

What? I thought this was about K&S. Isn't this a K&S thread?

Sorta, they are all inbreed.

what's the deal with the partner's sham wife?

yeah, why do they call her a sham wife? they seem tight to me.

this is rich. moralizing from peons at a sweatshop firm that just fired 100+ people (on top of a year of stealth layoffs).

nobody has a positive opinion of K&S. maybe Sutherland, Troutman, Kilpatrick etc suck as well but they all have better reputations that K&S.

*cue something lurid about some partner*

384 - that's what I'm talking about!

No -- she's still there -- it's just that Sutherland turned her into a tramp.

Man, she was a tramp from the beginning. If you only knew what some of us know.

But she hardly dated at all before she got mixed up with that loser.

She is her own problem. No one does what she does without serious problems. TRUST ME on this.

Which one are you talking about, the married one or the original 40 year old virgin?

Neither of them are married, at least not any more.

I think the stories are getting confused. I still want to know about the sham partners wife. One of the tramps is married.....at least for now.

Lady is a Tramp.

No Honor Among Thieves.

Once a Liar, always a Liar. Trust at your own risk.

Don't make me mad Danielle.

wtf -- you are questioning the judgment of these associates? what about these asshole partners? you have no clue what you are talking about.

392, you are profound. seriously.

there has been so much pain suffered; i am glad you find it so amusing.

I am talking about the partners. The ones who are greedily rubbing their hands with glee as the screw each other, the associates and the clients.The one's looking the other way while these vile f### cover up their screw ups. There's nothing funny about that. And you're right, there has been way too much pain suffered and will continue as long as no one exposes the corruption. All the mud slinging at people who did suffer. Like someone said, there's a really lumpy rug.

392 its is pretty obvious really, open your eyes, two messed up wifes, one ex, one sham both want money any way they can get it, right now its suits them for people to suffer as it means more money to them, think about it,

all the wifes of partners at any firm are messed up, have no self worth, are insecure and greedy ,so what, what this sham stuff everyone is taling about? are they not really married, inbred, gay and lesbian, robots, what?

Do you mean sham in the sense that they are only married for perception's sake? That one or both of them openly cheat ?

That is bullshit about any wife, ex, current or sham wanting money out of the firm. A ploy by the bullshit firm to take the focus off of the behavior that goes on in the firm.

It just ain't happening. So typical that this firm would stoop to these levels.

Maybe they one of them should ask for money, for slander.

Low life firm.

Who are they going to use to litigate for them since all the litigation lawyers are leaving?

398 it ain't bullshit moron you obviously don't know much about whats happening, virtually eveyone who works at Sunderland is talking about this and most know who the people concerned are,

it ain't rocket science to figure out if someone gets fired making lots of money that the ex wife now looses part of her alimony and is incensed when she finds out one of the partners involved in getting her ex fired was also screwing him

its also not rocket science to figure out that another partners wife is helping her husbands ambitions by spreading rumours around as she wants her husband to have all the fired partners revenue, this couple makes the Clintons look like Mayberry,

400 - Good point. The litigators are dropping like flies at this place.

Why is the firm not concerned about the partner screwing the fired partner both literally and figuratively? Did the firm make her screw him so they could get rid of him?

Is the wife wanting the fired partners revenue the sham wife?

And is it true that there's a baby involved?

Is the screwing partner still there a lesbian?

You people are all off base about the ex. I happen to know she's got money and happens to be seeing one of the highest profile big money, big law client on the qt. I'd be careful on this unless someone likes to play with fire.

Oh come on....let's have a celebrity law death match.

401- I didn't say none of this happened, it idid, I'm just saying no one is extorting money from the firm. If parters are fighting over revenues and fee originations, it has nothing to do with the an ex wife asking for hush money. That's bullshit.

403,

no,

no,

no,

no,

407- thanks. But what is a sham wife?

404 if this is true he better reign her in, she is shooting her mouth off all over town to anyone who will listen and pity her, thats a fact,

why the hell would he care?

I think the correct answer to 403's question is,

no, yes, no, no,

I could be wrong though,

409- Who gives a shit if she's talking? Obviously, the woman involved with her ex didn't mind sleeping with her husband an then getting him fired for it.

well if he got out that he was dating her it would undermine his postion no?

411- what is a sham wife?

412, you sure your not married to another partner at Suntherland? you sure hate men?

415- A cheater is a cheater, man or woman. Why are the wags at Sutherland going after the person who didn't lie and cheat?

who would that be?

417 are you saying the wives are lying?

No one is spreading rumors. What some are talking about is the truth. There are no denials.... only attempts to disparage the ones who know the truth. I know the entire story and believe me, if someone wanted to get the truth out with the details all the stone throwers would be running for cover.

Why don't you tell Mark Wasserman about it? I am sure he will set everyone straight. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [gasping for air] ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

418 no just embellishing a little however they benefit indirectly from the female partners embarrasment and are enjoying spreading around rumours,

they should be a little worried for all they know secrets about their "private lifes" may also come out,

throwing stones in glass houses etc,

He knows. I actually feel sorry for him. The whole time this was all going down, he had no idea what secrets the other partner was keeping. Once again, he let a practice group dictate what to do, and he got burned.

you guys "can't handle the truth" ha ha

you guys "can't handle the truth" ha ha

this should be called the "partners wifes" blog

421- I don't have a dog in this fight, but these are not rumors. I don't know what people are saying, I just know if the truth were out with the details no embellishment in the world could be as bad as the facts are.

There are alot of things that aren't out, and Sutherland and the female partner should be glad that they aren't. She should have a greater price to pay then embarrassment. I don't think anyone has gotten any joy out of this.

I don't know about the sham wife, or the rumor spreading wife of a current partner, but I do know about the ex wife and what has been said about her is a unfair and someone is setting her up.

Whoever is doing it should be ashamed. Their is no defense for what the fired partner or the female partner did. The other partners were played and operated in good faith for the most part. It's really too bad. But the threats about glass houses is misplaced.

Great idea! A blog for partners wives, they do know most of the things going on (except for when the partners are sleeping with each other). And shame on you associates for not appreciating all the parties and dinners they host for you ungrateful snots. Are the lesbian pictures a dead issue now?

I like the Clinton's.

Enough of this. Sutherland needs to have a big healing meeting for all employees. Bring in some crisis counselors. Make up some hard and firm rules and not write in exceptions to them when some of your top producing partners violate the rules. You see how that burned you. Run your firm like what it should be: a business and a partnership where no one is above the rules. And then, time for a group hug, but keep all the predator partners in the middle so you can watch their backs (and their fronts don't have anything to rub against except other perverts).

422, do not feel sorry for Mark Wasserman. He has let so much bad shit go down on his watch. Even when he was warned about bad actors, he did nothing to stop them.

426 must respectly disagree the ex wife has gone after this one partner just as her alimony is getting lowered and she is looking to sell her house, her husband slept with lots of other women yet she choses to attack only one of them publically who happens to work at her husbands ex firm and spread all this dirt, she never had any problem with his cheating when he actually worked at Sutherland and the prior firm when he made all his money, I think he even had a couple of K&S girlfriends,

it is also pretty obvious she or another partners wife introduced the subject to this thread, no one else has any reason to many years after the fact?

do you seriously believe other partners and wifes did not know of this behaviour across many practices and either condone or ignore it? come on seriously? they all cross pollinate, wifes and partners and lovers, at schools, churchs, resturants, golf clubs, country clubs etc. how could they not have known?

I'm done with this crap thread, y'all enjoy.....

why do you people give a crap, I thought we were working to bill clients? so what if everybody screws everybody

you saying this dude banged some of our K&S lovelies as well

awesome

but how did he ever get time to work

431 you are full of crap, go hide now that you spewed such crap. She's selling the house? You are drinking the kool aid bud.

Yep, he banged everybody but according to the female partner she didn't know either, so don't assume the wife did.

Maybe Sutherland ought to ask how he ever got time to work and how the billings to clients were handled.
Or, maybe that's why he was fired? Glass houses you know.

I still want to know what a sham wife is.

434, I totally agree about the wife not knowing. Sure everyone at Sutherland sees him running around with women, but she obviously doesn't because she is home taking care of the kids.

Right on 429!

#219, sorry to be so late, but thanks for the kind words. Best of luck to you, too. (163)

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

431 your damn right bro or gal,

shes home taking care of kids thats funny, no spare time what a joke, you wifes all stick together I guess to justify your bloodsucking of working partners money,

guess you wifes never knew any of this until recently huh and all just happened to stumble uponthe K&S blog while surfin for curtain colors in between tennis matches,

you must think everyone is freakin stupid, none of you ever knew he was sleeping around even though he slept with some of you and your friends and of course you don't gossip,

I am so confused if the wife is seeing someone else rich now why is she trying hurt people still?

Okay, this is the beginning of setting the record straight.

Only partners, current wives, sham wives, other spouses or whatever you want to call them have any possible way to get any money out of Sutherland, and that would only involve how they split up the proceeds of the practice group efforts. The fired partner and the ex wife are out of the picture. If there are still issues between them and the woman partner it has nothing to do with money. Everyone except someone who is trying to spread lies knows this.

The embarrassed woman partner can set all of this straight. She should do it, instead of covertly trying to cover her ass by making out like the victim. She (and the fired partner) are the only people who knew what was going on from the beginning. They both did alot of damage to alot of people and deserve no pity. Own up to it.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it's the truth.

440 you dumb ass

As was pointed out earlier the "sick" partner allegedly couldn't service his clients, so I hardly thing they were stolen from him.

Yea, he was too busy servicing the women in the the office and or offices.

441 your post is giving your level of 2nd hand knowlege away, you have been told what whoever told you wanted you to believe, its close but trust me the ex wife is big time involved and talking to Wasserman, there is no way lots of partners didn't know about this ten years ago, code of silence etc. Its unfair that one partner is now getting attacked when they have all ignored tons of worse stuff across practices.

What do you mean playing the victim? In a he was sick so I had to do all of the work sense?

445 that's what I'm talking about! The number of sexual misdeeds at the firm is astounding. Even when people have complained about the sexual misbehavior of partners, the firm just let it keep happening. If the partners happen to bring in a lot of business, so much the better - they look the other way even more. Those of us who have normal lives are tired of this crap.

445 I think you are correct as well. The people who are supporting the wife don't actually know what really happened inside the firm and get their so called knowlege from a crazy ex wife screaming around Buckhead, one private shcool and on the tennis court.

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

RUDE LETTER TO FOLLOW.

Is the tennis court wife the sham wife?

Two private schools, keep up to Pace.

448- you are so wrong....no one in Buckhead (land of the Buckhead houses) has seen her for a while and it's not her at the private school or schools or tennis courts. I think its you who doesn't know what's going on in the office. Where are you getting your information?

The Kindly Toads drowning was greatly exagerated it now seems.

Are none of the creatures of the wood worried he may rise again and stomp the Rat while the Scorpion cowers under a rock unable to breathe.

451 who is it at the schools and tennis courts then?

Who's the Rat?

No one has seen her for a while, little ominous considering many would like her to disappear for good.

Also a little strange her house was for sale on Harry Normans webb site and now has been taken off.

Is she upgrading or downgrading?

Why do you keep tabs on this poor ex-wife? That is pathetic.

The house was never for sale you idiot. Who the hell is this? Who listed it idiot? You have proven yourself a disingenuous liar.

Wouldn't you keep tabs on someone who went around town threatening people?

458- you must be the idiot who thinks the house is for sale.

Threatening people? How so? That is bs.

453- I think it must be the sham wife or the upset partners wife

455- sounds to me like the one being threatened here is the ex.....why's that?

This is unbelievable. You idiots are talking about some good people, who have families and kids that don't deserve this. And most importantly, you don't know the facts.

460, how so? try emails, phone calls to friends, schools, clients, collegues etc,

don't believe me ask around

462, since when does Sutherland care about good people being talked about? That place is a cesspool of gossip and rumor mongoring.

457 you are a stupid bitch, really, any number of people could have known a house was for sale on MLS

only one can say with certainty it was not for sale,

the ex wife is the the house, say hello everyone

463 REALLY? Why don't you prove that.

You all are being played by the unkindly horny back toad. He's pissed at them all, and doing what he did for years. Divide and conquer, play one against the other and lie lie lie. It's payback time folks.

He set this up several blogs ago when he told the story about the frog and scorpion. You all played right into his hands.

465 YOU REALLY ARE AN ATTORNEY

GOOD WORK

463- Yea, I'll check into that after I find the house on MLS.

465- say what?

if 465 is an attorney God help us all. That post makes no sense. Anyone could know it was for sale but only one could know it wasn't? Did Harry Norman list it without her knowledge?

466 get back to billing your stolen clients

469 I think what 465 says makes sense, whether the house was for sale or not is immaterial. What he meant is only one person would really know whether it was or wasn't for sale and respond so voraciously. Mentioning the house being for sale basically brought the fish (457) to the surface.

I still want to know about the sham wife.

465- Jane (not your real name) you ignorant slut

The fish is not the ex wife however she will make a joint statement with the other women when all the details are worked out.

But, if anyone wants to buy the house the ex says she'll sell it.

470 -- the clients weren't stolen if the sick partner wasn't able to perform his work duties.

I'm not sure the word voraciously was used in the proper context.

Come on now, you can dish on all this but not tell us about the sham wife? Is that because the sham wife is doing all this?

What's the story on the frog and scorpion?

If the ex wanted to get out info, there is plenty of info she could get out that would be alot more damaging then she's not selling her house.

What, she's going to tell the schools, clients and everyone else she's accused of telling that two people slept together? They've been divorced how long? Give me a break. Where there's smoke there's fire and the veracity of the attack makes one wonder what the smokes all about.

The only two people who know the truth are the frog and the scorpion and they are both liars and have their own agenda.

465 = EX WIFE!!! HAHAHAHA

Obviously not a lawyer, she can't even find the period on the keyboard. I read all her sentences left in suspense,

...

sham partner wife: one who does not perform wifely duties.

but she's not the only unhappy partner's wife.

I think 465 is Danielle.

477

you know its crazy but true, she really has been doing this,

no one internally understands why its only recently she has done this considering they have been divorced what? a couple of years I guess,

I agree it makes no sense,

478, you are funny but stop picking on the poor ex-wife. She apparently was cheated on for years.

477 Just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you saying that the ex hasn't been doing this? Ask around first.

I think they mean that post 457 was the ex wife, to be honest reading it again it may be.

I think they mean that post 457 was the ex wife, to be honest reading it again it may be.

479 go and rent the movie "Love Life"

Okay, ex wife here. What is it you people want to know?

This thread is freekin funny, ya'll so stupid and greeda, bitches and partnrs

The Toads pullin down a mill a year of you fools still an aint even workin, ya'll fightin over the scraps

Ya'll nothin withhout the Toad

Oh wait, it's such a pretty day I need to go play tennis and hang out at the private schools for car pool chit chat. Maybe I'll take a stroll through the lobby of the clients too, after my house is shown by the broker.

No smoke without fire everyone.

BTW for all the actual workers on this thread be careful office eyes and ears are watching.

488, at least you have retained your sense of humor!

Clearly there are a few of you who have decided to monopolize the past few hundred comments in this thread to promote your own self-centered, toad licking, scorpion spewing venom built up from years past. Do us all a favor and take your Sham-wow stories somewhere else. A psychiatrist’s office might be a good place to start. What may surprise you is that some of us are actually interested in the on-topic comments meant for this space. The topic is K&S lay-offs. That’s Lay Off’s… not ex-wife Pissed-Offs, or ex-partner Lay-On’s. Have a little courtesy and keep to the topic, or go away.

Clearly there are a few of you who have decided to monopolize the past few hundred comments in this thread to promote your own self-centered, toad licking, scorpion spewing venom built up from years past. Do us all a favor and take your Sham-wow stories somewhere else. A psychiatrist’s office might be a good place to start. What may surprise you is that some of us are actually interested in the on-topic comments meant for this space. The topic is K&S lay-offs. That’s Lay Off’s… not ex-wife Pissed-Offs, or ex-partner Lay-On’s. Have a little courtesy and keep to the topic, or go away.

Kiss my ass 492, your a prick, can't you figure out that eveytime a firm has to pay an ex wife off they then have to make the money back in layoffs,

BTW your Healthcare Practice partners aren't any better behaved, when you get laid off dig deeper and see where some of their profits went,

Healthcare practice -- what healthcare practice?

Are you kidding me, people at Sutherland are ecstatic that everyone is talking about this instead of the fact they have no litigation dept. anymore.

495 - great point, great point indeed. Sutherland likes it when its sex scandals distract from its lack of work/prestige. 492, we are heartily sorry for having offended thee.

I tell you one thing the female partner has gone up in prestige with me. She always looked so demur but there is obviously a tiger inside. Every time the other partners see her now they (the straight ones) will imagine banging her in the conference room like the ex partner. Bet there will be a line of people wanting to be mentored by her.

Which conference room?

497 Cue outrraged wifes howel "my husbands not like that"

485 you are a piece of shit who couldn'tt make it at Sutherland and as an attorney anywhere after you were fired. Enjoy your rat hole down in Macon or wherever you hide.

Which conference room?

Not sure but the ex wife has photos.

Ex wife here again.

Yes he was like that. The conference room was one of the more normal places he banged her in.

I'm now off to spend all my pay off money at the mall.

I am sorry about the layoffs though.

500, who licked the red off of your Candy?

Did you not get your mentoring today?

You K&S people should be glad that Sutherland just took over this post with their sexapades. It's a hell of alot better then the posters who are saying your firm is laying off all the 3 L's.

500 go back to Spain.

Spaniards make the best lovers.

She's no tiger, more like a leopard. They never change their spots. Besides, she doesn't need to get banged anymore....she already got what she wanted.

She did have that demur look down pat though. I think most would rather bang somebody else. Certainly there are newer, younger and better recruits to take her place.
Anybody seen the new ones coming in?

Any rumors if they are cutting back this summer? This grudge stuff is good, but we need some news.

Quite tonight, I bet a few partners went home and told thier wifes to shut up, stop posting and go back to playing tennis and ordering curtains.

I think you are right. Rumor has it K&S tracks emails at work, any word if Sutherland does it too?

Maybe Sutherland is paying off all the partners wives. After all, if the wizard doesn't stay behind the curtains those wives keep ordering even more of this stuff is probably going to come out. Maybe they'll just build more closets.

But surely, this has got to end. The Yellow Brick Road only goes so far. Because, because, because because, because of the wonderful world we're in.

Does anyone have any actual information about what's happening with the incoming class? I saw delayed start date rumors, but have heard nothing from the firm other than the original september start date.

Does anyone have any actual information about what's happening with the incoming class? I saw delayed start date rumors, but have heard nothing from the firm other than the original september start date.

Does anyone have any actual information about what's happening with the incoming class? I saw delayed start date rumors, but have heard nothing from the firm other than the original september start date.

506 I pressume you are female, ha, ha,

Do they have an office in Spain?

I haven't heard anything about delayed start dates. Are you talking about Sutherland or KS? Rumor on another blog about KS but it wasn't true I think.

I don't know if they are filtering emails but I bet they are going to try and filter postings to this blog. Word is half the firm is reading this blog all the way up to Wasserman. Still if its not true whats the big deal.

Why? Is the lesbian partner a Spaniard?

Oh, it's true. I went to see the ex's house today with Harry Norman.

With that big payoff she's moving on up.....to a mansion in the sky!

507 I don't think she banged him just for promotion. A lot of women found him attractive, slept with him and not all made partner or even close.

She is out for herself though thats for sure.

521- You are right about that, she had a much more sinister reason to bang him. It wasn't all about making her way to partner, that was just the icing on the cake. Talk about being out for herself.....you can say that again and again and again.

518 you are getting very slightly warmer.........

OK 522 you got me hooked, maybe you are the ex wife, so what can be seriously worse than doing it for promotion. Unless you are coraborating one ugly rumour going around which I won't mention here as I personally don't believe it. I don't mean the one about where the sex happend as I believe that.

Let's be honest here, he wasn't exactly picky, I wouldn't say he went after the hot chicks.

The women he slept with were probably grateful someone who didn't drool were hitting on them.

What I wonder is why the wife married him, she for sure could have done better. He was a country bumpkin when they married, way out of her league. I don't care if she is crazy as shit.

524- What do you mean about where the sex happened? I'm not talking about the conference room. As for the ugly rumor, I'm pretty sure it's not a rumor, and it is ugly.

Getting warm? Is this firm homophobic?

So, what happens if they find out who the wives who posted all this stuff are?

Will the ex wife have to give back her jackpot payoff?

And is Danielle out of the picture?

What half of the firm isn't reading this? I don't even work there and I can't stop. It's like a car wreck you can't turn away from.

Why would other wives post here? Surely they don't want to out the secrets of their husbands' firm. Why do they care? I am beginning to think this sex scandal comes close to some of the scandals in the litigation group. On second thought, litigation still has energy beat. This is interesting though.

426, you are actually suggesting that there are details that aren't out in the open? I can't imagine given how unrestrained these commenters are. It must be quite a story. I thought energy lawyers were a bunch of scholarly nerds.

This is mainly about money. Its sad about the whole ex wife deal but for a year others have manipulated the situation with the partner getting fired to their advantage. Whatever anyone says about him it cannot be denied that he brought in the business. Lots of business. When the recent issue came to light (via the ex wife telling everyone) a certain other wife/friend saw this as their opportunity to reduce the partner distribution pool by one more by any means possible. I don't think any actual partners give a shit about the screwing around as they all knew long ago.

I also wonder if the idiot talking about the Toad isn't in fact the Toad. It does seem like he was railroaded a little by his friends and lovers.

Litigation is a whole other mess. Word is another partner in another practice was caught cheating and his wife made him either become a church deacon or get a divorce. How funny is that.

Oh yea, there are details. THat's why the big payoff to the wife. And other wives are pissed because their families got screwed over as well. Got rid of one problem, they had no idea the problem they were left with. She played them for even bigger fools then he did.She's can't bring in the business either

531, there is a reason they are called "ENERGY" ha ha,

cannot wait to hear tomorrows installments, good night all,

New strategy for this economy: bang a partner, get pictures and get a big payoff from the firm.

I for one would love to hear about what happened in the litigation practice.

Is whatever happened the reason for the partners leaving?

Any Sutherland employee who posts on this site has been warned they will be fired.

536, yes, the litigation partners were prteey much forced out,,

537 good job we have Starbucks close by,

Tis shit gets funnia by the day,

Toads still takin it eazi gainin stregh, gorchini on BBQ paid for by yu fools, hes still the top man in yuou pracitice even when he aint ther, he still be the top erner this year or his bitch will,

No wunda otha bitchs crazzie with fury, badmuthin aroun town

Only way rat can respnd is runnin round crazy tryi to thretin workin peoples civil right, denien them access to news, tryi hide the truth

whats the rat gonna do when the Toad decide he wanna go back to lawyerin serius

frekin losers wihtout te Toad,

The litigation partners weren't forced out, they baled on the sinking ship.

I am so glad this blog is here. The other ones are so depressing with the lay off news.

Give me stories about people getting laid anyday.

Now they're checking time sheets and checking who's been out of sick lately to see who has time to do all these posts.

They are getting desperate.

539 be down wit da devil

The two litigation partners who left Sutherland for K&S left with much drama and intrigue. Everyone knows the story.

540 - even if it is gross old partners coercing their young associates into sex? Yuck.

532- you sound like you know. Except, I think the other partners knew about the toad, but not about the scorpion, that's what set them off.

I don't blame the rat and don't think he's a rat. Too many low blows in that direction....someone else must be lurking for a portion of the pie. I think he's a victim like the ex wife. I don't see why she shouldn't talk, especially if the others are talking. She hasn't been seen or heard from lately, I think she's been put into the witness protection program.

Someone's setting up the toad though... he's evil but not stupid.

But whoever is writing for the toad, they got the facts right.

Sutherland should have know what they were dealing with when the let the partners who left for KS get away with their screwing on the job years ago. Instead, they became the stars of the law firm, the poster children for partners behaving badly with no ethics or morals.

And to the associate who let the ugly, gross partner bang her, you need help.

I hear the KS partners are posted on some swinging site now.

Did anyone tell KS to lock up the women and children when the two partners came over?

Forewarned is forearmed.

KS might steal our partners but we own their blog.

Does the rat still work at Sutherland?

He's NOT a rat. This is only about the toad and scorpion.

Ex-Sutherland employees and partners, stop dissing Sutherland.

Sutherland partners and employees, stop dissing ex-partners and ex-employees.

Let's all get over it.

Group hug time.

Does this mean no DNA tests?